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[quote name='dohdough']I'm just pointing out the moronic arguments that you(or maybe bob, not that it matters anyways) about non-violent muslims not being "vocal" enough about the more violent practicioners.[/QUOTE]
I think the worst offender was thrust in that regard.
I think the worst offender was thrust in that regard.
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[quote name='MSI Magus']Fangs! What do us agnostics get? My guess, fangs but with crappy plastic caps on the end so we cant actually hurt anyone.[/QUOTE]
Dentures?
[quote name='The Crotch']You
ers got fangs?
All I got was this shitty vestigial tail. Can't grasp branches or balance on top of fences oring anything with this thing.[/QUOTE]
Atheist's have got hell fangs. I use mine to open sodas.
[quote name='Knoell']"All christians should die, or wishing they would go away forever" and you are defending it (mockingly, but still defending). Why am I surprised? I really shouldn't be anymore.
If anyone on this board said they wish all muslims would just leave America you guys would be all over them. Rightfully so, however someone says the same about christians, and you practically say "they are getting what is coming to them" because someone somewhere made some argument about muslims tolerating extremism. Funny how you are so quick to blame a religion of a billion people for the remarks of a fraction of those people, but you fight your little heart out to protect another religion from receiving blame for terrorism.[/QUOTE]
Decided to add this on.
To this I am going to try to stay civil on the subject on faith but I will take your argument style and move the goal posts so to speak. So essentially the role of religion is one of societal control, in this case to create a system of civility that holds God at the top and the Church as the official arm of said God, a generally endemic feature of religions but not necessary present in all. In terms of current trends on what people consider to be good social structures to adopt, the structures adopted by almost all religions are ones people would not accept. They are generally built upon the idea of the paymaster (in this case God, but in man made structures things like powerful executive branches) that will punish those not of the faith and who go against accepted norms (while many a C's will argue that this is an unfair representation, it is none the less true because of the very presence of hell as a penalty for not being apart of the collective, in this case church). This honestly means that religions have a structure generally agreed upon to foster corruption, non elected officials with leaders that are not beholden in the slightest to people and built upon the stick of eternal damnation. If these conditions were applied to any man made social system every Christian, and for that matter every person in my opinion, would attack it as being amoral and oppressive, which is actually what is happening when many Christians attack middle eastern countries whose oppressive social systems are oppressive in different ways imo.
In all honesty most of the faith based religions are oppressive by definition, though not all an example of this would be so called new age Quakers or the Society of Friends as they have re-branded itself where each sect is allowed to interpret and practice their own religion in the way that they see fit with the idea that the bible can and should give way to new realities(which in all honesty threw me for a loop considering how dogmatic quakers were at one time). But for the most part most part the societal structure pushed forward by many religions is in many ways no better than an extremely oppressive communistic system, considering that even just Jesus centered Christianity, which is by far the most moderate and accepted form of current faith of C's, asks for mind control (that pesky even thinking evil thoughts is as bad as doing them, so punish yourself accordingly) division of people (something Jesus himself wished to see), and extreme redistribution of wealth (I quote the bible here "... I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" or the always uplifting "... you can not serve God and money" which in all honesty guarantees that any man in charge of money, even those within the church, are probably as crooked as a tree branch and that the current economic system of capitalism guarantees all those who partake are going straight to hell, for in most religions even unconscious sin is still sin). So just listening the word of Jesus asks you to get rid of capitalism, democracy (the bible/God is generally accepted to always be the end all for all societal and civic norms not the will of people), and to censor everything that doesn't jive with Christianity.
But modern Christians don't do any of the things they should. Many believe in Capitalism, Mormons in particular here, many shirk taxes, whether though under reporting or over deducting (a big problem in New York I hear), and many people of faith argue against censorship (which is a good cause if you ask me, but a bad cause of Jesus' teachings). Considering this the only reason people continue to believe in religion is a combination of misunderstanding of religious tenants and a fear of the stick of hell and damnation, the second marking religions as oppressive imo. Your last point is just sloppy, because I am sure many atheists/agnostics would prefer and wish for most people of faith to drop the dogma and idol worship and get on with actually making society better.
Apologies to those of faith if this offends you, but this is how I see religion and if you honesty think I am wrong elucidate me.
Dentures?
[quote name='The Crotch']You
ers got fangs?All I got was this shitty vestigial tail. Can't grasp branches or balance on top of fences or
ing anything with this thing.[/QUOTE]Atheist's have got hell fangs. I use mine to open sodas.
[quote name='Knoell']"All christians should die, or wishing they would go away forever" and you are defending it (mockingly, but still defending). Why am I surprised? I really shouldn't be anymore.
If anyone on this board said they wish all muslims would just leave America you guys would be all over them. Rightfully so, however someone says the same about christians, and you practically say "they are getting what is coming to them" because someone somewhere made some argument about muslims tolerating extremism. Funny how you are so quick to blame a religion of a billion people for the remarks of a fraction of those people, but you fight your little heart out to protect another religion from receiving blame for terrorism.[/QUOTE]
Decided to add this on.
To this I am going to try to stay civil on the subject on faith but I will take your argument style and move the goal posts so to speak. So essentially the role of religion is one of societal control, in this case to create a system of civility that holds God at the top and the Church as the official arm of said God, a generally endemic feature of religions but not necessary present in all. In terms of current trends on what people consider to be good social structures to adopt, the structures adopted by almost all religions are ones people would not accept. They are generally built upon the idea of the paymaster (in this case God, but in man made structures things like powerful executive branches) that will punish those not of the faith and who go against accepted norms (while many a C's will argue that this is an unfair representation, it is none the less true because of the very presence of hell as a penalty for not being apart of the collective, in this case church). This honestly means that religions have a structure generally agreed upon to foster corruption, non elected officials with leaders that are not beholden in the slightest to people and built upon the stick of eternal damnation. If these conditions were applied to any man made social system every Christian, and for that matter every person in my opinion, would attack it as being amoral and oppressive, which is actually what is happening when many Christians attack middle eastern countries whose oppressive social systems are oppressive in different ways imo.
In all honesty most of the faith based religions are oppressive by definition, though not all an example of this would be so called new age Quakers or the Society of Friends as they have re-branded itself where each sect is allowed to interpret and practice their own religion in the way that they see fit with the idea that the bible can and should give way to new realities(which in all honesty threw me for a loop considering how dogmatic quakers were at one time). But for the most part most part the societal structure pushed forward by many religions is in many ways no better than an extremely oppressive communistic system, considering that even just Jesus centered Christianity, which is by far the most moderate and accepted form of current faith of C's, asks for mind control (that pesky even thinking evil thoughts is as bad as doing them, so punish yourself accordingly) division of people (something Jesus himself wished to see), and extreme redistribution of wealth (I quote the bible here "... I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" or the always uplifting "... you can not serve God and money" which in all honesty guarantees that any man in charge of money, even those within the church, are probably as crooked as a tree branch and that the current economic system of capitalism guarantees all those who partake are going straight to hell, for in most religions even unconscious sin is still sin). So just listening the word of Jesus asks you to get rid of capitalism, democracy (the bible/God is generally accepted to always be the end all for all societal and civic norms not the will of people), and to censor everything that doesn't jive with Christianity.
But modern Christians don't do any of the things they should. Many believe in Capitalism, Mormons in particular here, many shirk taxes, whether though under reporting or over deducting (a big problem in New York I hear), and many people of faith argue against censorship (which is a good cause if you ask me, but a bad cause of Jesus' teachings). Considering this the only reason people continue to believe in religion is a combination of misunderstanding of religious tenants and a fear of the stick of hell and damnation, the second marking religions as oppressive imo. Your last point is just sloppy, because I am sure many atheists/agnostics would prefer and wish for most people of faith to drop the dogma and idol worship and get on with actually making society better.
Apologies to those of faith if this offends you, but this is how I see religion and if you honesty think I am wrong elucidate me.
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[quote name='dohdough']
As an atheist, I think all religion is hocus, so your argument, once again, falls flat.
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As an atheist you are allowed to disregard everyone else's beliefs out of hand. You know, because you are right, and anyone who believes in their religion must be crazy motherers because you cannot possibly believe such things.
Do I have that right?
That is the definition of intolerance. Cue more "it's not like that! I don't care what other religions do!!!!"
Oh wait magus already took that argument up.
The rest of your post is so full of inaccurate insane nonsense, its not even worth responding to.
I am curious what the press would do with a video celebrating muslims disappearing, and the world being a much better place for it. Yeaaah something tells me it wouldn't go over very well. While I don't care about the video, and I can easily avoid it, it is funny to see the double standard simply because christianity is not a minority here. I wonder if you would pick up the same banner for christianity if you were living in say Somalia?
As an atheist, I think all religion is hocus, so your argument, once again, falls flat.
[/QUOTE]
As an atheist you are allowed to disregard everyone else's beliefs out of hand. You know, because you are right, and anyone who believes in their religion must be crazy mother
ers because you cannot possibly believe such things.Do I have that right?
That is the definition of intolerance. Cue more "it's not like that! I don't care what other religions do!!!!"
Oh wait magus already took that argument up.
The rest of your post is so full of inaccurate insane nonsense, its not even worth responding to.
I am curious what the press would do with a video celebrating muslims disappearing, and the world being a much better place for it. Yeaaah something tells me it wouldn't go over very well. While I don't care about the video, and I can easily avoid it, it is funny to see the double standard simply because christianity is not a minority here. I wonder if you would pick up the same banner for christianity if you were living in say Somalia?
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[quote name='cindersphere']Dentures?
Decided to add this on.
To this I am going to try to stay civil on the subject on faith but I will take your argument style and move the goal posts so to speak. So essentially the role of religion is one of societal control, in this case to create a system of civility that holds God at the top and the Church as the official arm of said God, a generally endemic feature of religions but not necessary present in all. In terms of current trends on what people consider to be good social structures to adopt, the structures adopted by almost all religions are ones people would not accept. They are generally built upon the idea of the paymaster (in this case God, but in man made structures things like powerful executive branches) that will punish those not of the faith and who go against accepted norms (while many a C's will argue that this is an unfair representation, it is none the less true because of the very presence of hell as a penalty for not being apart of the collective, in this case church). This honestly means that religions have a structure generally agreed upon to foster corruption, non elected officials with leaders that are not beholden in the slightest to people and built upon the stick of eternal damnation. If these conditions were applied to any man made social system every Christian, and for that matter every person in my opinion, would attack it as being amoral and oppressive, which is actually what is happening when many Christians attack middle eastern countries whose oppressive social systems are oppressive in different ways imo.
In all honesty most of the faith based religions are oppressive by definition, though not all an example of this would be so called new age Quakers or the Society of Friends as they have re-branded itself where each sect is allowed to interpret and practice their own religion in the way that they see fit with the idea that the bible can and should give way to new realities(which in all honesty threw me for a loop considering how dogmatic quakers were at one time). But for the most part most part the societal structure pushed forward by many religions is in many ways no better than an extremely oppressive communistic system, considering that even just Jesus centered Christianity, which is by far the most moderate and accepted form of current faith of C's, asks for mind control (that pesky even thinking evil thoughts is as bad as doing them, so punish yourself accordingly) division of people (something Jesus himself wished to see), and extreme redistribution of wealth (I quote the bible here "... I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" or the always uplifting "... you can not serve God and money" which in all honesty guarantees that any man in charge of money, even those within the church, are probably as crooked as a tree branch and that the current economic system of capitalism guarantees all those who partake are going straight to hell, for in most religions even unconscious sin is still sin). So just listening the word of Jesus asks you to get rid of capitalism, democracy (the bible/God is generally accepted to always be the end all for all societal and civic norms not the will of people), and to censor everything that doesn't jive with Christianity.
But modern Christians don't do any of the things they should. Many believe in Capitalism, Mormons in particular here, many shirk taxes, whether though under reporting or over deducting (a big problem in New York I hear), and many people of faith argue against censorship (which is a good cause if you ask me, but a bad cause of Jesus' teachings). Considering this the only reason people continue to believe in religion is a combination of misunderstanding of religious tenants and a fear of the stick of hell and damnation, the second marking religions as oppressive imo. Your last point is just sloppy, because I am sure many atheists/agnostics would prefer and wish for most people of faith to drop the dogma and idol worship and get on with actually making society better.
Apologies to those of faith if this offends you, but this is how I see religion and if you honesty think I am wrong elucidate me.[/QUOTE]
I guess socialism is out the window too huh?
"Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
All of mankind are sinners, what some christians believe, and do not believe is irrelavent as none of them are perfect in their christianity.
75%+ of Americans identify themselves as christians. You and I both know that there are far less who actually practice the religion, and even fewer who have the right idea about it.
Proverbs 22:26-27
Do not be a man who strikes hands in pledge or puts up security for debts; if you lack the means to pay, your very bed will be snatched from under you
Here is another one. Looks like anyone who has a credit card balance cannot be a christian.
Decided to add this on.
To this I am going to try to stay civil on the subject on faith but I will take your argument style and move the goal posts so to speak. So essentially the role of religion is one of societal control, in this case to create a system of civility that holds God at the top and the Church as the official arm of said God, a generally endemic feature of religions but not necessary present in all. In terms of current trends on what people consider to be good social structures to adopt, the structures adopted by almost all religions are ones people would not accept. They are generally built upon the idea of the paymaster (in this case God, but in man made structures things like powerful executive branches) that will punish those not of the faith and who go against accepted norms (while many a C's will argue that this is an unfair representation, it is none the less true because of the very presence of hell as a penalty for not being apart of the collective, in this case church). This honestly means that religions have a structure generally agreed upon to foster corruption, non elected officials with leaders that are not beholden in the slightest to people and built upon the stick of eternal damnation. If these conditions were applied to any man made social system every Christian, and for that matter every person in my opinion, would attack it as being amoral and oppressive, which is actually what is happening when many Christians attack middle eastern countries whose oppressive social systems are oppressive in different ways imo.
In all honesty most of the faith based religions are oppressive by definition, though not all an example of this would be so called new age Quakers or the Society of Friends as they have re-branded itself where each sect is allowed to interpret and practice their own religion in the way that they see fit with the idea that the bible can and should give way to new realities(which in all honesty threw me for a loop considering how dogmatic quakers were at one time). But for the most part most part the societal structure pushed forward by many religions is in many ways no better than an extremely oppressive communistic system, considering that even just Jesus centered Christianity, which is by far the most moderate and accepted form of current faith of C's, asks for mind control (that pesky even thinking evil thoughts is as bad as doing them, so punish yourself accordingly) division of people (something Jesus himself wished to see), and extreme redistribution of wealth (I quote the bible here "... I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" or the always uplifting "... you can not serve God and money" which in all honesty guarantees that any man in charge of money, even those within the church, are probably as crooked as a tree branch and that the current economic system of capitalism guarantees all those who partake are going straight to hell, for in most religions even unconscious sin is still sin). So just listening the word of Jesus asks you to get rid of capitalism, democracy (the bible/God is generally accepted to always be the end all for all societal and civic norms not the will of people), and to censor everything that doesn't jive with Christianity.
But modern Christians don't do any of the things they should. Many believe in Capitalism, Mormons in particular here, many shirk taxes, whether though under reporting or over deducting (a big problem in New York I hear), and many people of faith argue against censorship (which is a good cause if you ask me, but a bad cause of Jesus' teachings). Considering this the only reason people continue to believe in religion is a combination of misunderstanding of religious tenants and a fear of the stick of hell and damnation, the second marking religions as oppressive imo. Your last point is just sloppy, because I am sure many atheists/agnostics would prefer and wish for most people of faith to drop the dogma and idol worship and get on with actually making society better.
Apologies to those of faith if this offends you, but this is how I see religion and if you honesty think I am wrong elucidate me.[/QUOTE]
I guess socialism is out the window too huh?
"Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
All of mankind are sinners, what some christians believe, and do not believe is irrelavent as none of them are perfect in their christianity.
75%+ of Americans identify themselves as christians. You and I both know that there are far less who actually practice the religion, and even fewer who have the right idea about it.
Proverbs 22:26-27
Do not be a man who strikes hands in pledge or puts up security for debts; if you lack the means to pay, your very bed will be snatched from under you
Here is another one. Looks like anyone who has a credit card balance cannot be a christian.
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[quote name='Knoell']I guess socialism is out the window too huh?
"Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
All of mankind are sinners, what some christians believe, and do not believe is irrelavent as none of them are perfect in their christianity.
75%+ of Americans identify themselves as christians. You and I both know that there are far less who actually practice the religion, and even fewer who have the right idea about it.[/QUOTE]
For a Christians? Socialism is fine, again it is based around the world of man and matters of money and taxes are based upon society not God, taxation is not stealing and the fact that government owns all forms of production is also fine, as long as it was not stolen. For an atheist? Depends upon the actual structure of said system.
It is interesting you posted your quote, considering its point was based not on fostering a true giving spirit in a man, but rather to foster the idea of a divine calculus in which action A results in reward B, and if you know what is good for you do action A.
Not sure where you are going with your third statement?
True, most people know next to nothing about their religion and if they didn't probably would at the very least think twice about their participation, but that one fact does not forgive the oppressive nature of religious social structures. I guess my main idea here is the idea of a totalitarian state being bad no matter the disposition of said ruler.
What are you K? Christian or Atheist?
"Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
All of mankind are sinners, what some christians believe, and do not believe is irrelavent as none of them are perfect in their christianity.
75%+ of Americans identify themselves as christians. You and I both know that there are far less who actually practice the religion, and even fewer who have the right idea about it.[/QUOTE]
For a Christians? Socialism is fine, again it is based around the world of man and matters of money and taxes are based upon society not God, taxation is not stealing and the fact that government owns all forms of production is also fine, as long as it was not stolen. For an atheist? Depends upon the actual structure of said system.
It is interesting you posted your quote, considering its point was based not on fostering a true giving spirit in a man, but rather to foster the idea of a divine calculus in which action A results in reward B, and if you know what is good for you do action A.
Not sure where you are going with your third statement?
True, most people know next to nothing about their religion and if they didn't probably would at the very least think twice about their participation, but that one fact does not forgive the oppressive nature of religious social structures. I guess my main idea here is the idea of a totalitarian state being bad no matter the disposition of said ruler.
What are you K? Christian or Atheist?
[quote name='Knoell']As an atheist you are allowed to disregard everyone else's beliefs out of hand. You know, because you are right, and anyone who believes in their religion must be crazy mother ers because you cannot possibly believe such things.[/QUOTE]
Does knoell believe all beliefs are equally valid or does he reserve for just what he happens to believe in?
ers because you cannot possibly believe such things.[/QUOTE]Does knoell believe all beliefs are equally valid or does he reserve for just what he happens to believe in?
[quote name='Msut77']Does knoell believe all beliefs are equally valid or does he reserve for just what he happens to believe in?[/QUOTE]
You believe there is no god? Good for you. You want to debate the existance of a god? Cool. You want to call everyone who believes in goding insane because you don't believe? Intolerance.
I dont believe in most aspects of islam, but not even I the so called ultimately racist (lolz), muslim hating christian call all muslimsing insane because I don't believe in their version of religion. Even their end game in which I will spend eternity in hell because I don't believe in their god. It doesn't bother or offend me that they believe that because I do not.
You believe there is no god? Good for you. You want to debate the existance of a god? Cool. You want to call everyone who believes in god
ing insane because you don't believe? Intolerance. I dont believe in most aspects of islam, but not even I the so called ultimately racist (lolz), muslim hating christian call all muslims
ing insane because I don't believe in their version of religion. Even their end game in which I will spend eternity in hell because I don't believe in their god. It doesn't bother or offend me that they believe that because I do not.
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[quote name='cindersphere']For a Christians? Socialism is fine, again it is based around the world of man and matters of money and taxes are based upon society not God, taxation is not stealing and the fact that government owns all forms of production is also fine, as long as it was not stolen. For an atheist? Depends upon the actual structure of said system.
It is interesting you posted your quote, considering its point was based not on fostering a true giving spirit in a man, but rather to foster the idea of a divine calculus in which action A results in reward B, and if you know what is good for you do action A.
Not sure where you are going with your third statement?
True, most people know next to nothing about their religion and if they didn't probably would at the very least think twice about their participation, but that one fact does not forgive the oppressive nature of religious social structures. I guess my main idea here is the idea of a totalitarian state being bad no matter the disposition of said ruler.
What are you K? Christian or Atheist?[/QUOTE]
I am christian, and that verse from the bible states that you should not give under compulsion. Taxes are a form of compulsion. We have no choice but to pay.
Here is another verse in which it states that someone shall do what they choose with their own money.
10"When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. 11"When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner, 12saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.' 13"But he answered and said to one of them, Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?
It really is silly to argue that the bible has a preference over any type of government, because every type of government used today has flaws that directly contradict the bible. Again people are sinners, and there is no form of government that is perfect because man is not perfect, and man created government.
It is interesting you posted your quote, considering its point was based not on fostering a true giving spirit in a man, but rather to foster the idea of a divine calculus in which action A results in reward B, and if you know what is good for you do action A.
Not sure where you are going with your third statement?
True, most people know next to nothing about their religion and if they didn't probably would at the very least think twice about their participation, but that one fact does not forgive the oppressive nature of religious social structures. I guess my main idea here is the idea of a totalitarian state being bad no matter the disposition of said ruler.
What are you K? Christian or Atheist?[/QUOTE]
I am christian, and that verse from the bible states that you should not give under compulsion. Taxes are a form of compulsion. We have no choice but to pay.
Here is another verse in which it states that someone shall do what they choose with their own money.
10"When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. 11"When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner, 12saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.' 13"But he answered and said to one of them, Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?
It really is silly to argue that the bible has a preference over any type of government, because every type of government used today has flaws that directly contradict the bible. Again people are sinners, and there is no form of government that is perfect because man is not perfect, and man created government.
[quote name='Msut77']Does knoell believe in Odin? Zeus? Is anyone who doesn't take Ahura Mazda seriously intolerant?[/QUOTE]
You or I can not like any religion, like one religion, or like them all, it does not matter.
It is the lack of regard you have for the people who have views that differ from your own that is intolerant.
You or I can not like any religion, like one religion, or like them all, it does not matter.
It is the lack of regard you have for the people who have views that differ from your own that is intolerant.
[quote name='Knoell']As an atheist you are allowed to disregard everyone else's beliefs out of hand. You know, because you are right, and anyone who believes in their religion must be crazy mother ers because you cannot possibly believe such things.
Do I have that right?
That is the definition of intolerance. Cue more "it's not like that! I don't care what other religions do!!!!"
Oh wait magus already took that argument up.
The rest of your post is so full of inaccurate insane nonsense, its not even worth responding to.
I am curious what the press would do with a video celebrating muslims disappearing, and the world being a much better place for it. Yeaaah something tells me it wouldn't go over very well. While I don't care about the video, and I can easily avoid it, it is funny to see the double standard simply because christianity is not a minority here. I wonder if you would pick up the same banner for christianity if you were living in say Somalia?[/QUOTE]
This shows that you do not get me or the point I was trying to make. If you look cindersphere is debating with you in a different way because he recognizes you cant talk seriously with anyone, you twist peoples words to fit your own world view. Your so bat shit crazy that he has had to put on his tin foil hat and stop talking like a normal person to carry on a debate with you.
As he said you change the goal posts if you recognize you cant kick the current ball through it. Your own signature proves the point. In that topic you took what doh doh said and because he exaggerated by saying 100,000s it meant his whole argument was invalid in your mind. You miss the forest for the trees. His point there was not the number of people we killed, but the fact that a lot of innocent people lost their lives to take down a much smaller amount of our enemies. This is what you(and Unclebob)always do. You read over a post, often a long well thought out one and you miss the 99% where it focuses on 1 valid point...to focus on one exaggeration, one typo, one moment of anger or some other tiny tiny thing you can use to turn the argument and keep your jacked belief system in check.
Not surprised though that is what religious and conservative dogma has been built upon. Ignoring facts to focus on tiny hiccups that allow you to keep your belief in tact despite the facts.
So I ask you. Where did I say any of the shit your spouting? Again I am agnostic not atheist and the very core belief of being agnostic is lacking the arrogance to claim you know anything. Could Christianity be right in spite of all the historical facts biblical scholars have stacked up against it, YEP! Same with Muslims and Buddhists and Taoists, Hindus or Crazy Daves beliefs. But even if they are right about what will happen it does not mean they are right in the moral sense of causing suffering to non believers regardless of whose faith it is. Nor does it mean the believers are any less bat shit insane be they Muslim or Christian. Not because I dont believe in their cause...but because the idea of anyone worshiping a deity that would cause this type of pain in beyond comprehension to the sane. I guess a good example for you would be it is the equivalent of someone worshiping Satan, another figure who will cause pain and suffering.
Anyways ill let this go now either way. Feel free to have the last word(or I guess I should say last insult).
ers because you cannot possibly believe such things.Do I have that right?
That is the definition of intolerance. Cue more "it's not like that! I don't care what other religions do!!!!"
Oh wait magus already took that argument up.
The rest of your post is so full of inaccurate insane nonsense, its not even worth responding to.
I am curious what the press would do with a video celebrating muslims disappearing, and the world being a much better place for it. Yeaaah something tells me it wouldn't go over very well. While I don't care about the video, and I can easily avoid it, it is funny to see the double standard simply because christianity is not a minority here. I wonder if you would pick up the same banner for christianity if you were living in say Somalia?[/QUOTE]
This shows that you do not get me or the point I was trying to make. If you look cindersphere is debating with you in a different way because he recognizes you cant talk seriously with anyone, you twist peoples words to fit your own world view. Your so bat shit crazy that he has had to put on his tin foil hat and stop talking like a normal person to carry on a debate with you.
As he said you change the goal posts if you recognize you cant kick the current ball through it. Your own signature proves the point. In that topic you took what doh doh said and because he exaggerated by saying 100,000s it meant his whole argument was invalid in your mind. You miss the forest for the trees. His point there was not the number of people we killed, but the fact that a lot of innocent people lost their lives to take down a much smaller amount of our enemies. This is what you(and Unclebob)always do. You read over a post, often a long well thought out one and you miss the 99% where it focuses on 1 valid point...to focus on one exaggeration, one typo, one moment of anger or some other tiny tiny thing you can use to turn the argument and keep your jacked belief system in check.
Not surprised though that is what religious and conservative dogma has been built upon. Ignoring facts to focus on tiny hiccups that allow you to keep your belief in tact despite the facts.
So I ask you. Where did I say any of the shit your spouting? Again I am agnostic not atheist and the very core belief of being agnostic is lacking the arrogance to claim you know anything. Could Christianity be right in spite of all the historical facts biblical scholars have stacked up against it, YEP! Same with Muslims and Buddhists and Taoists, Hindus or Crazy Daves beliefs. But even if they are right about what will happen it does not mean they are right in the moral sense of causing suffering to non believers regardless of whose faith it is. Nor does it mean the believers are any less bat shit insane be they Muslim or Christian. Not because I dont believe in their cause...but because the idea of anyone worshiping a deity that would cause this type of pain in beyond comprehension to the sane. I guess a good example for you would be it is the equivalent of someone worshiping Satan, another figure who will cause pain and suffering.
Anyways ill let this go now either way. Feel free to have the last word(or I guess I should say last insult).
[quote name='MSI Magus']This shows that you do not get me or the point I was trying to make. If you look cindersphere is debating with you in a different way because he recognizes you cant talk seriously with anyone, you twist peoples words to fit your own world view. Your so bat shit crazy that he has had to put on his tin foil hat and stop talking like a normal person to carry on a debate with you.
As he said you change the goal posts if you recognize you cant kick the current ball through it. Your own signature proves the point. In that topic you took what doh doh said and because he exaggerated by saying 100,000s it meant his whole argument was invalid in your mind. You miss the forest for the trees. His point there was not the number of people we killed, but the fact that a lot of innocent people lost their lives to take down a much smaller amount of our enemies. This is what you(and Unclebob)always do. You read over a post, often a long well thought out one and you miss the 99% where it focuses on 1 valid point...to focus on one exaggeration, one typo, one moment of anger or some other tiny tiny thing you can use to turn the argument and keep your jacked belief system in check.
Not surprised though that is what religious and conservative dogma has been built upon. Ignoring facts to focus on tiny hiccups that allow you to keep your belief in tact despite the facts.
So I ask you. Where did I say any of the shit your spouting? Again I am agnostic not atheist and the very core belief of being agnostic is lacking the arrogance to claim you know anything. Could Christianity be right in spite of all the historical facts biblical scholars have stacked up against it, YEP! Same with Muslims and Buddhists and Taoists, Hindus or Crazy Daves beliefs. But even if they are right about what will happen it does not mean they are right in the moral sense of causing suffering to non believers regardless of whose faith it is. Nor does it mean the believers are any less bat shit insane be they Muslim or Christian. Not because I dont believe in their cause...but because the idea of anyone worshiping a deity that would cause this type of pain in beyond comprehension to the sane. I guess a good example for you would be it is the equivalent of someone worshiping Satan, another figure who will cause pain and suffering.
Anyways ill let this go now either way. Feel free to have the last word(or I guess I should say last insult).[/QUOTE]
First off ask dohdough, he was not exaggerating. Although he supplemented his argument by including iraq which did not make it true either, but you know I am the one moving goal posts.
My argument with him was not about the fact that civilians have died over there, but the way in which he stated we are deliberatly murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians. Which is in no way true. But go ahead keep defending his incorrect remarks as exaggerations that he himself denies are exaggerations and tell me I am crazy.
Finally the "I am going to talk about someone else's point because mine is lost then not talk about it because you are so (insert insult here) that I cannot debate this with you any longer. But feel free to have the last insult, as if I don't throw insults myself, because I am the more intelligent better man, you (insert insult here)"
You guys areing hilarious. You are arguing with me about confronting some people for saying 1) all christians should die, or 2) all christians should leave. The double standard is blatent, maybe your tin foil hats are causing interference.
As he said you change the goal posts if you recognize you cant kick the current ball through it. Your own signature proves the point. In that topic you took what doh doh said and because he exaggerated by saying 100,000s it meant his whole argument was invalid in your mind. You miss the forest for the trees. His point there was not the number of people we killed, but the fact that a lot of innocent people lost their lives to take down a much smaller amount of our enemies. This is what you(and Unclebob)always do. You read over a post, often a long well thought out one and you miss the 99% where it focuses on 1 valid point...to focus on one exaggeration, one typo, one moment of anger or some other tiny tiny thing you can use to turn the argument and keep your jacked belief system in check.
Not surprised though that is what religious and conservative dogma has been built upon. Ignoring facts to focus on tiny hiccups that allow you to keep your belief in tact despite the facts.
So I ask you. Where did I say any of the shit your spouting? Again I am agnostic not atheist and the very core belief of being agnostic is lacking the arrogance to claim you know anything. Could Christianity be right in spite of all the historical facts biblical scholars have stacked up against it, YEP! Same with Muslims and Buddhists and Taoists, Hindus or Crazy Daves beliefs. But even if they are right about what will happen it does not mean they are right in the moral sense of causing suffering to non believers regardless of whose faith it is. Nor does it mean the believers are any less bat shit insane be they Muslim or Christian. Not because I dont believe in their cause...but because the idea of anyone worshiping a deity that would cause this type of pain in beyond comprehension to the sane. I guess a good example for you would be it is the equivalent of someone worshiping Satan, another figure who will cause pain and suffering.
Anyways ill let this go now either way. Feel free to have the last word(or I guess I should say last insult).[/QUOTE]
First off ask dohdough, he was not exaggerating. Although he supplemented his argument by including iraq which did not make it true either, but you know I am the one moving goal posts.
My argument with him was not about the fact that civilians have died over there, but the way in which he stated we are deliberatly murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians. Which is in no way true. But go ahead keep defending his incorrect remarks as exaggerations that he himself denies are exaggerations and tell me I am crazy.
Finally the "I am going to talk about someone else's point because mine is lost then not talk about it because you are so (insert insult here) that I cannot debate this with you any longer. But feel free to have the last insult, as if I don't throw insults myself, because I am the more intelligent better man, you (insert insult here)"
You guys are
ing hilarious. You are arguing with me about confronting some people for saying 1) all christians should die, or 2) all christians should leave. The double standard is blatent, maybe your tin foil hats are causing interference.Do you really think that people really believe all Christians should die is the question though. I hear people say that all the time, but I dont know anyone that actually means it. Its just hyperbole stated in a moment of annoyance with people like yourself. Hell iv said all Christians are stupid or evil or other things in moments of frustration talking with people like yourself, but never once meant it. Meanwhile its beyond question that those that believe in the rapture honestly do support the pain and suffering of others for not believing what they do. That is what you cant seem to get, that the "extreme" positions of liberals that may sound like they tout the same things are just gross exaggeration where as what you believe is...well a genuine belief and thus evil/psychotic as .
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I never once said that I wasn't intolerant...of intolerance that is, which is exactly what you are not. If I point out that someone's racist, does that make me a racist? If I point out that war is bad, does that make me pro-war?
If muslims say that christians should GTFO of the US, is that in any way equal to christians telling muslims to GTFO? Absolutely not. Muslims simply DO NOT have the institutional power to make that happen, whereas christians/whiteys implement racial profiling and create a hostile environment.
And for clarification(again), we might not have put a bullet in every one of those Iraqi's, but we are directly responsible for creating the environment that allowed those people to be killed. Not only are we responsible through indrect means, but we encouraged it. SO YOU.
edit: Just saw your thing about Somalia. LOLZ. It's a dangerous place to begin with, what makes you think it's safe for anyone besides the ones that have the money. Being persecuted for being christian should be the least of anyone's worries considering it's impoverished population especially since the entire continent of Africa has been a victim of colonization for the last few hundred years and a hotbed of christian missionary work. So really, that's your argument? me...
If muslims say that christians should GTFO of the US, is that in any way equal to christians telling muslims to GTFO? Absolutely not. Muslims simply DO NOT have the institutional power to make that happen, whereas christians/whiteys implement racial profiling and create a hostile environment.
And for clarification(again), we might not have put a bullet in every one of those Iraqi's, but we are directly responsible for creating the environment that allowed those people to be killed. Not only are we responsible through indrect means, but we encouraged it. SO
YOU.edit: Just saw your thing about Somalia. LOLZ. It's a dangerous place to begin with, what makes you think it's safe for anyone besides the ones that have the money. Being persecuted for being christian should be the least of anyone's worries considering it's impoverished population especially since the entire continent of Africa has been a victim of colonization for the last few hundred years and a hotbed of christian missionary work. So really, that's your argument?
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[quote name='dohdough']I never once said that I wasn't intolerant...of intolerance that is, which is exactly what you are not. If I point out that someone's racist, does that make me a racist? If I point out that war is bad, does that make me pro-war?
If muslims say that christians should GTFO of the US, is that in any way equal to christians telling muslims to GTFO? Absolutely not. Muslims simply DO NOT have the institutional power to make that happen, whereas christians/whiteys implement racial profiling and create a hostile environment.
And for clarification(again), we might not have put a bullet in every one of those Iraqi's, but we are directly responsible for creating the environment that allowed those people to be killed. Not only are we responsible through indrect means, but we encouraged it. SO YOU.
edit: Just saw your thing about Somalia. LOLZ. It's a dangerous place to begin with, what makes you think it's safe for anyone besides the ones that have the money. Being persecuted for being christian should be the least of anyone's worries considering it's impoverished population especially since the entire continent of Africa has been a victim of colonization for the last few hundred years and a hotbed of christian missionary work. So really, that's your argument? me...[/QUOTE]
Oh because random people in the US really have the institutional power to send all muslims home. what the are you talking about? Now because it won't happen it is ok to say it?
I am curious. If a random person in America says they want all black people in africa to die, are they free from any reprimand because they lack the institutional capability to go there and do it themselves?
And now Somalia has worse things to worry about than being christian. I mean if you already have to worry about being killed, what does it matter if being christian makes you more of a target?
Geez why do you guys condemn my posts but not the ridiculousness this guy spouts? Do his views really align with yours that much that mum is the word?
If muslims say that christians should GTFO of the US, is that in any way equal to christians telling muslims to GTFO? Absolutely not. Muslims simply DO NOT have the institutional power to make that happen, whereas christians/whiteys implement racial profiling and create a hostile environment.
And for clarification(again), we might not have put a bullet in every one of those Iraqi's, but we are directly responsible for creating the environment that allowed those people to be killed. Not only are we responsible through indrect means, but we encouraged it. SO
YOU.edit: Just saw your thing about Somalia. LOLZ. It's a dangerous place to begin with, what makes you think it's safe for anyone besides the ones that have the money. Being persecuted for being christian should be the least of anyone's worries considering it's impoverished population especially since the entire continent of Africa has been a victim of colonization for the last few hundred years and a hotbed of christian missionary work. So really, that's your argument?
me...[/QUOTE]Oh because random people in the US really have the institutional power to send all muslims home. what the
are you talking about? Now because it won't happen it is ok to say it?I am curious. If a random person in America says they want all black people in africa to die, are they free from any reprimand because they lack the institutional capability to go there and do it themselves?
And now Somalia has worse things to worry about than being christian. I mean if you already have to worry about being killed, what does it matter if being christian makes you more of a target?
Geez why do you guys condemn my posts but not the ridiculousness this guy spouts? Do his views really align with yours that much that mum is the word?
[quote name='MSI Magus']Do you really think that people really believe all Christians should die is the question though. I hear people say that all the time, but I dont know anyone that actually means it. Its just hyperbole stated in a moment of annoyance with people like yourself. Hell iv said all Christians are stupid or evil or other things in moments of frustration talking with people like yourself, but never once meant it. Meanwhile its beyond question that those that believe in the rapture honestly do support the pain and suffering of others for not believing what they do. That is what you cant seem to get, that the "extreme" positions of liberals that may sound like they tout the same things are just gross exaggeration where as what you believe is...well a genuine belief and thus evil/psychotic as .[/QUOTE]
Come on man.
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[quote name='Knoell']I am christian, and that verse from the bible states that you should not give under compulsion. Taxes are a form of compulsion. We have no choice but to pay.
Here is another verse in which it states that someone shall do what they choose with their own money.
10"When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. 11"When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner, 12saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.' 13"But he answered and said to one of them, Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?
It really is silly to argue that the bible has a preference over any type of government, because every type of government used today has flaws that directly contradict the bible. Again people are sinners, and there is no form of government that is perfect because man is not perfect, and man created government.[/QUOTE]
Picking and choosing. Taxes are not a form of giving and as such the rules do not apply. Yes the bible says one should do fit with what one has, however that does not preclude what was said about paying of taxes. I should temper that statement with the qualification that one can do what ever he want's as long as it's main purpose is for the glory of God.
The overall point I was trying to make was that no christian really lives a christian life as dictated by the bible. The book makes a direct case for a certain type of polity setup, it doesn't jive with the more basal instinct of mans need to own. Your quote on no form of govt is completely wrong considering the push every religion makes to head towards a theocracy, which is what some middle eastern countries tried to do and it has been a rather scary place for some. But whatever believe that C is either benign or a good influence, of which it is neither. For many years it has held back scientific progress, caused countless lives, and is in many ways making the world a worse place.
To end the day I start taking any book seriously that even those people who preach it, say no no don't take it seriously take it as a set of parables, except for one part about the existence of God and hell. Believe those and use those as a catalyst to love him.
Here is another verse in which it states that someone shall do what they choose with their own money.
10"When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. 11"When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner, 12saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.' 13"But he answered and said to one of them, Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?
It really is silly to argue that the bible has a preference over any type of government, because every type of government used today has flaws that directly contradict the bible. Again people are sinners, and there is no form of government that is perfect because man is not perfect, and man created government.[/QUOTE]
Picking and choosing. Taxes are not a form of giving and as such the rules do not apply. Yes the bible says one should do fit with what one has, however that does not preclude what was said about paying of taxes. I should temper that statement with the qualification that one can do what ever he want's as long as it's main purpose is for the glory of God.
The overall point I was trying to make was that no christian really lives a christian life as dictated by the bible. The book makes a direct case for a certain type of polity setup, it doesn't jive with the more basal instinct of mans need to own. Your quote on no form of govt is completely wrong considering the push every religion makes to head towards a theocracy, which is what some middle eastern countries tried to do and it has been a rather scary place for some. But whatever believe that C is either benign or a good influence, of which it is neither. For many years it has held back scientific progress, caused countless lives, and is in many ways making the world a worse place.
To end the day I start taking any book seriously that even those people who preach it, say no no don't take it seriously take it as a set of parables, except for one part about the existence of God and hell. Believe those and use those as a catalyst to love him.
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[quote name='Knoell']Oh because random people in the US really have the institutional power to send all muslims home. what the are you talking about? Now because it won't happen it is ok to say it?[/QUOTE]
Who the said anything about going "home?" That says more about your racial and religious bias than anything else. Is there no such thing as US-born muslims? If there are, wouldn't that make the US their home? Are there not black muslims, Asian muslims, white muslims, latino muslims?
In matter of fact, there was a recent case where someone was NOT allowed to go home due to some random airline ilot that refused to fly the guy because of the way he dressed. And this was AFTER the passenger and his party were "randomly" searched. Twice. So yeah, some random person can actually stop someone from going home or being able to freely travel within the US that paid for the ability to sit on a goddamn airplane. This was also the SECOND time this happened to the guy. And the purpose of the travel? To attend a conference on how to combat anti-islamic sentiment.
But of course, you don't mean "home." You mean that muslims don't belong here, that they should be somewhere else, and that they will never belong here.
So are you somehow suggesting that muslims, in this country, have the political, economic, and social power to enact the same level of scrutiny and discrimination on christians as muslims "enjoy" now? Don't we already have an islamophobia thread?
(Gordon Ramsey facepalm) ME!
are you talking about? Now because it won't happen it is ok to say it?[/QUOTE]Who the
said anything about going "home?" That says more about your racial and religious bias than anything else. Is there no such thing as US-born muslims? If there are, wouldn't that make the US their home? Are there not black muslims, Asian muslims, white muslims, latino muslims? In matter of fact, there was a recent case where someone was NOT allowed to go home due to some random airline ilot that refused to fly the guy because of the way he dressed. And this was AFTER the passenger and his party were "randomly" searched. Twice. So yeah, some random person can actually stop someone from going home or being able to freely travel within the US that paid for the ability to sit on a goddamn airplane. This was also the SECOND time this happened to the guy. And the purpose of the travel? To attend a conference on how to combat anti-islamic sentiment.
But of course, you don't mean "home." You mean that muslims don't belong here, that they should be somewhere else, and that they will never belong here.
You don't know what "institutional" means. And if one were so inclined, one could sign up with a PMC and do exactly what you give an example of. Literally.I am curious. If a random person in America says they want all black people in africa to die, are they free from any reprimand because they lack the institutional capability to go there and do it themselves?
Which is a symptom of something else...which I had ALREADY ADDRESSED. Try to keep up. WTF.
LOLZ...does someone need to call the WHHHAAAAmbulance?
So are you somehow suggesting that muslims, in this country, have the political, economic, and social power to enact the same level of scrutiny and discrimination on christians as muslims "enjoy" now? Don't we already have an islamophobia thread?
(Gordon Ramsey facepalm)
ME![quote name='dohdough']Who the said anything about going "home?" That says more about your racial and religious bias than anything else. Is there no such thing as US-born muslims? If there are, wouldn't that make the US their home? Are there not black muslims, Asian muslims, white muslims, latino muslims?
In matter of fact, there was a recent case where someone was NOT allowed to go home due to some random airline ilot that refused to fly the guy because of the way he dressed. And this was AFTER the passenger and his party were "randomly" searched. Twice. So yeah, some random person can actually stop someone from going home or being able to freely travel within the US that paid for the ability to sit on a goddamn airplane. This was also the SECOND time this happened to the guy. And the purpose of the travel? To attend a conference on how to combat anti-islamic sentiment.
But of course, you don't mean "home." You mean that muslims don't belong here, that they should be somewhere else, and that they will never belong here.
You don't know what "institutional" means. And if one were so inclined, one could sign up with a PMC and do exactly what you give an example of. Literally.
Which is a symptom of something else...which I had ALREADY ADDRESSED. Try to keep up. WTF.
LOLZ...does someone need to call the WHHHAAAAmbulance?
So are you somehow suggesting that muslims, in this country, have the political, economic, and social power to enact the same level of scrutiny and discrimination on christians as muslims "enjoy" now? Don't we already have an islamophobia thread?
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My god you are ridiculous.
That should replace the quote in my sig. You heard it first from dohdough.
"Racism and bigotry are ok as long as you do not possess the institutional means to carry them out. And as long as the guy next to you didn't kill someone of another religion. Because that would be worse, and would overtake the bigotry and racism of the first person. So in reality there can only be one bigoted racist people because everyone else has it worse." So next time you hear someone say a group of people should leave this country or die, racially profile them to ensure that they fit the profile of someone who could rally his fellow brethern in that effort. If he can't, then don't let him bother you, he is powerless. Right?
Oh and only bigoted christians have the opportunity to join a pmc and kill black people. There is no group in the world that someone can join that kills christians. Nope, not at all.ing retarded. Just google christian persecution.
said anything about going "home?" That says more about your racial and religious bias than anything else. Is there no such thing as US-born muslims? If there are, wouldn't that make the US their home? Are there not black muslims, Asian muslims, white muslims, latino muslims? In matter of fact, there was a recent case where someone was NOT allowed to go home due to some random airline ilot that refused to fly the guy because of the way he dressed. And this was AFTER the passenger and his party were "randomly" searched. Twice. So yeah, some random person can actually stop someone from going home or being able to freely travel within the US that paid for the ability to sit on a goddamn airplane. This was also the SECOND time this happened to the guy. And the purpose of the travel? To attend a conference on how to combat anti-islamic sentiment.
But of course, you don't mean "home." You mean that muslims don't belong here, that they should be somewhere else, and that they will never belong here.
You don't know what "institutional" means. And if one were so inclined, one could sign up with a PMC and do exactly what you give an example of. Literally.
Which is a symptom of something else...which I had ALREADY ADDRESSED. Try to keep up. WTF.
LOLZ...does someone need to call the WHHHAAAAmbulance?
So are you somehow suggesting that muslims, in this country, have the political, economic, and social power to enact the same level of scrutiny and discrimination on christians as muslims "enjoy" now? Don't we already have an islamophobia thread?
[/QUOTE]
My god you are ridiculous.
That should replace the quote in my sig. You heard it first from dohdough.
"Racism and bigotry are ok as long as you do not possess the institutional means to carry them out. And as long as the guy next to you didn't kill someone of another religion. Because that would be worse, and would overtake the bigotry and racism of the first person. So in reality there can only be one bigoted racist people because everyone else has it worse." So next time you hear someone say a group of people should leave this country or die, racially profile them to ensure that they fit the profile of someone who could rally his fellow brethern in that effort. If he can't, then don't let him bother you, he is powerless. Right?
Oh and only bigoted christians have the opportunity to join a pmc and kill black people. There is no group in the world that someone can join that kills christians. Nope, not at all.
ing retarded. Just google christian persecution.
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[quote name='Msut77']People should know by now that knoell will say absolutely anything.
Whether it is because he is dishonest or because he simply has no idea what any of things he says mean is up for debate.[/QUOTE]
Proof please. What was dishonest again?
I criticized 1) the people who were saying christians should die or leave. And 2) The guy in the video who firmly believes that christians want their fellow man to suffer.
I was then criticized for 1 because noone has the power to kill or make christians leave?
And you guys think I am dishonest? What the is wrong with this forum?
Please, Please, tell me that you would not be upset if someed up christian in some middle east country was spouting off bullshit about all muslims dieing and leaving said country. He would be vastly ing outnumbered, and would have limited power. I am sure you all would disregard him and not comment on his bigoted nature. Absolutely positive. 
There is something dishonest for you. You guys would be foaming at the mouth.
Whether it is because he is dishonest or because he simply has no idea what any of things he says mean is up for debate.[/QUOTE]
Proof please. What was dishonest again?
I criticized 1) the people who were saying christians should die or leave. And 2) The guy in the video who firmly believes that christians want their fellow man to suffer.
I was then criticized for 1 because noone has the power to kill or make christians leave?
And you guys think I am dishonest? What the
is wrong with this forum?Please, Please, tell me that you would not be upset if some
ed up christian in some middle east country was spouting off bullshit about all muslims dieing and leaving said country. He would be vastly ing outnumbered, and would have limited power. I am sure you all would disregard him and not comment on his bigoted nature. Absolutely positive. There is something dishonest for you. You guys would be foaming at the mouth.[quote name='Msut77']People should know by now that knoell will say absolutely anything.
Whether it is because he is dishonest or because he simply has no idea what any of things he says mean is up for debate.[/QUOTE]
Thus why this is the first time in months and the last time for months I tried talking to the guy.
Whether it is because he is dishonest or because he simply has no idea what any of things he says mean is up for debate.[/QUOTE]
Thus why this is the first time in months and the last time for months I tried talking to the guy.
[quote name='MSI Magus']Thus why this is the first time in months and the last time for months I tried talking to the guy.[/QUOTE]
You are telling me that saying "all christians should die" or "all christians should leave" is not bigoted because you don't believe they really mean it.
I mean really, Come on man.
Christians take pain in the fact that their fellow man refuse to follow god. If you have talked to any christians you would know this. Your problem is that you do not understand the bible and why the end times occur. You think god is evil because of all the destruction and death in the world presently right? How can god be who he is, but let all this happen not to mention the end times? If god creates everything, and everything is done by his hand, then isn't he killing that little japanese girl in the tsunami? Go and research why this stuff happens and come back.
You are telling me that saying "all christians should die" or "all christians should leave" is not bigoted because you don't believe they really mean it.
I mean really, Come on man.
Christians take pain in the fact that their fellow man refuse to follow god. If you have talked to any christians you would know this. Your problem is that you do not understand the bible and why the end times occur. You think god is evil because of all the destruction and death in the world presently right? How can god be who he is, but let all this happen not to mention the end times? If god creates everything, and everything is done by his hand, then isn't he killing that little japanese girl in the tsunami? Go and research why this stuff happens and come back.
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[quote name='Knoell']Geez why do you guys condemn my posts but not the ridiculousness this guy spouts? Do his views really align with yours that much that mum is the word?[/QUOTE]
I never saw you condemn tivo when he said that slavery was a good thing for black people. Using your logic, that means gee, his views must really align with yours.
I never saw you condemn tivo when he said that slavery was a good thing for black people. Using your logic, that means gee, his views must really align with yours.
[quote name='Knoell']My god you are ridiculous.
That should replace the quote in my sig. You heard it first from dohdough.[/quote]
Go ahead, I think it's hilarious. What would be more hilarious is if you added context by throwing your own quotes it. But that would make you look like a cracked out lying POS.
[quote name='Knoell']Proof please. What was dishonest again?
I criticized 1) the people who were saying christians should die or leave. And 2) The guy in the video who firmly believes that christians want their fellow man to suffer.
I was then criticized for 1 because noone has the power to kill or make christians leave?
And you guys think I am dishonest? What the is wrong with this forum?
Please, Please, tell me that you would not be upset if someed up christian in some middle east country was spouting off bullshit about all muslims dieing and leaving said country. He would be vastly ing outnumbered, and would have limited power. I am sure you all would disregard him and not comment on his bigoted nature. Absolutely positive. There is something dishonest for you. You guys would be foaming at the mouth.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Knoell']You are telling me that saying "all christians should die" or "all christians should leave" is not bigoted because you don't believe they really mean it.[/quote]
All dscrimination is not meted out equally.
That should replace the quote in my sig. You heard it first from dohdough.[/quote]
Go ahead, I think it's hilarious. What would be more hilarious is if you added context by throwing your own quotes it. But that would make you look like a cracked out lying POS.
So what you're saying is that SOMEONE WITH POWER IS THE SAME AS SOMEONE WITHOUT POWER. And you call me the crazy one.
You haven't been paying attention to the numbers have you...Oh and only bigoted christians have the opportunity to join a pmc and kill black people. There is no group in the world that someone can join that kills christians. Nope, not at all.
Oh NoeeeSssSS...white is the new black!!!!
[quote name='Knoell']Proof please. What was dishonest again?
I criticized 1) the people who were saying christians should die or leave. And 2) The guy in the video who firmly believes that christians want their fellow man to suffer.
I was then criticized for 1 because noone has the power to kill or make christians leave?
And you guys think I am dishonest? What the
is wrong with this forum?Please, Please, tell me that you would not be upset if some
ed up christian in some middle east country was spouting off bullshit about all muslims dieing and leaving said country. He would be vastly ing outnumbered, and would have limited power. I am sure you all would disregard him and not comment on his bigoted nature. Absolutely positive. There is something dishonest for you. You guys would be foaming at the mouth.[/QUOTE][quote name='Knoell']You are telling me that saying "all christians should die" or "all christians should leave" is not bigoted because you don't believe they really mean it.[/quote]
All dscrimination is not meted out equally.
So god put you on this earth to be our punching bag soley for our entertainment. That's something I can get behind.
[quote name='IRHari']I never saw you condemn tivo when he said that slavery was a good thing for black people. Using your logic, that means gee, his views must really align with yours.
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Was I actively criticizing your reprimands of him? No? Ok then.
Was I actively criticizing your reprimands of him? No? Ok then.
[quote name='dohdough']Go ahead, I think it's hilarious. What would be more hilarious is if you added context by throwing your own quotes it. But that would make you look like a cracked out lying POS.
So what you're saying is that SOMEONE WITH POWER IS THE SAME AS SOMEONE WITHOUT POWER. And you call me the crazy one.
You haven't been paying attention to the numbers have you...
Oh NoeeeSssSS...white is the new black!!!!
All dscrimination is not meted out equally.
So god put you on this earth to be our punching bag soley for our entertainment. That's something I can get behind.[/QUOTE]
1) I would think all bigotry and racism was bad, but you are pretty selective in your choices. Anyone who has been hated and persecuted can hate is your theory I guess. Oh wait christians were hated and persecuted quite a bit since their beginning. Do someing research.
2) Please educate me with these numbers. Although I do not see how anyone dying can mean so little to you. Even the threat of death should mean something. Anyone who says an entire group of people should die can just as easily take the job upon himself rather than rally a government to do it for him. Regardless of how it would theoretically be accomplished is irrelavent to the persons bigoted feelings that an entire group of people should die.
3) Ohhh noooes, Noone has suffered as much as the blacks, therefore noone else can complain about suffering!!!!
4) What the hell are you talking about? Christians are their for your entertainment? Haha, and you complain of ignorance and intolerance.
So what you're saying is that SOMEONE WITH POWER IS THE SAME AS SOMEONE WITHOUT POWER. And you call me the crazy one.
You haven't been paying attention to the numbers have you...
Oh NoeeeSssSS...white is the new black!!!!
All dscrimination is not meted out equally.
So god put you on this earth to be our punching bag soley for our entertainment. That's something I can get behind.[/QUOTE]
1) I would think all bigotry and racism was bad, but you are pretty selective in your choices. Anyone who has been hated and persecuted can hate is your theory I guess. Oh wait christians were hated and persecuted quite a bit since their beginning. Do some
ing research.2) Please educate me with these numbers. Although I do not see how anyone dying can mean so little to you. Even the threat of death should mean something. Anyone who says an entire group of people should die can just as easily take the job upon himself rather than rally a government to do it for him. Regardless of how it would theoretically be accomplished is irrelavent to the persons bigoted feelings that an entire group of people should die.
3) Ohhh noooes, Noone has suffered as much as the blacks, therefore noone else can complain about suffering!!!!
4) What the hell are you talking about? Christians are their for your entertainment? Haha, and you complain of ignorance and intolerance.
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[quote name='Knoell']1) I would think all bigotry and racism was bad, but you are pretty selective in your choices. Anyone who has been hated and persecuted can hate is your theory I guess. Oh wait christians were hated and persecuted quite a bit since their beginning. Do some ing research.[/QUOTE]
You're right and I'm wrong. Bumping into someone is the same thing as shooting them in the head. No such thing as degrees or hegemony.
For the record, I do have a problem with all of the deaths. It's you that's only concerned about the deaths from one side...and it's not those with the least power to prevent them.
ing research.[/QUOTE]You're right and I'm wrong. Bumping into someone is the same thing as shooting them in the head. No such thing as degrees or hegemony.
Bush was an evangelical. He instigated the Iraq War. Hundred of thousands died. Pretty simple to me.
For the record, I do have a problem with all of the deaths. It's you that's only concerned about the deaths from one side...and it's not those with the least power to prevent them.
Because white "discrimination" equals black discrimination? If anything, this is a rhetorical trick that pretty much admits that we still treat black people like shit. But hey, "the blacks" should be happy they're not slaves anymore right? LOLZ....you said "the blacks." Didn't we just go over this with Trump not to long ago?
Wow, you Really are dense aren't you...
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I think black people and Christians are equally retarded. Mostly because they tend to be both.
[quote name='dohdough']You're right and I'm wrong. Bumping into someone is the same thing as shooting them in the head. No such thing as degrees or hegemony.
Bush was an evangelical. He instigated the Iraq War. Hundred of thousands died. Pretty simple to me.
For the record, I do have a problem with all of the deaths. It's you that's only concerned about the deaths from one side...and it's not those with the least power to prevent them.
Because white "discrimination" equals black discrimination? If anything, this is a rhetorical trick that pretty much admits that we still treat black people like shit. But hey, "the blacks" should be happy they're not slaves anymore right? LOLZ....you said "the blacks." Didn't we just go over this with Trump not to long ago?
Wow, you Really are dense aren't you...[/QUOTE]
So if...bah nevermind. It really isn't worth it, I have too much to do this weekend.
Bush was an evangelical. He instigated the Iraq War. Hundred of thousands died. Pretty simple to me.
For the record, I do have a problem with all of the deaths. It's you that's only concerned about the deaths from one side...and it's not those with the least power to prevent them.
Because white "discrimination" equals black discrimination? If anything, this is a rhetorical trick that pretty much admits that we still treat black people like shit. But hey, "the blacks" should be happy they're not slaves anymore right? LOLZ....you said "the blacks." Didn't we just go over this with Trump not to long ago?
Wow, you Really are dense aren't you...[/QUOTE]
So if...bah nevermind. It really isn't worth it, I have too much to do this weekend.
[quote name='dohdough']
Because white "discrimination" equals black discrimination? If anything, this is a rhetorical trick that pretty much admits that we still treat black people like shit. But hey, "the blacks" should be happy they're not slaves anymore right? LOLZ....you said "the blacks." Didn't we just go over this with Trump not to long ago?
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Weekend is over. Sad for everyone.
Why must discrimination be equal to be valid? This can easily be converted into what the slaves went through compared to today.
Under this logic you cannot claim blacks are suffering because it is not equal to what they went through under slavery.
So anytime you bring up a black man getting discriminated from getting a job, you better think twice, because it isn't as bad as slavery!
Bullshit.
Because white "discrimination" equals black discrimination? If anything, this is a rhetorical trick that pretty much admits that we still treat black people like shit. But hey, "the blacks" should be happy they're not slaves anymore right? LOLZ....you said "the blacks." Didn't we just go over this with Trump not to long ago?
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Weekend is over. Sad for everyone.
Why must discrimination be equal to be valid? This can easily be converted into what the slaves went through compared to today.
Under this logic you cannot claim blacks are suffering because it is not equal to what they went through under slavery.
So anytime you bring up a black man getting discriminated from getting a job, you better think twice, because it isn't as bad as slavery!
Bullshit.
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[quote name='Knoell']Weekend is over. Sad for everyone.
Why must discrimination be equal to be valid? This can easily be converted into what the slaves went through compared to today.[/quote]
I always made it clear that we're talking about the current socio-political climate in the US of A. You're the one going on crazy tangents. In case you forgot, I started by saying that being discriminated against because you're christian is not even on the same scale as being discriminated against for being muslim AND that the ability as a muslim to discriminate against a christian is so laughably limited compared to the institutional power of christians to discriminate against muslims.
So anytime you bring up a black man getting discriminated from getting a job, you better think twice, because it isn't as bad as slavery![/quote]
Once again, you're saying that white "discrimination" equals black discrimination in the US today. Think about what that means for a second. You're saying that white people are treated like shit, just like black people are treated...today...like in the US...like right now.
It's funny, I gave you credit for not being as bad as turbonutbag and limp snake, thanks for refreshing my memory to make sure I don't make the same mistake again.
Why must discrimination be equal to be valid? This can easily be converted into what the slaves went through compared to today.[/quote]
I always made it clear that we're talking about the current socio-political climate in the US of A. You're the one going on crazy tangents. In case you forgot, I started by saying that being discriminated against because you're christian is not even on the same scale as being discriminated against for being muslim AND that the ability as a muslim to discriminate against a christian is so laughably limited compared to the institutional power of christians to discriminate against muslims.
You don't know what logic is, so maybe you shouldn't use that word.
So anytime you bring up a black man getting discriminated from getting a job, you better think twice, because it isn't as bad as slavery![/quote]
Once again, you're saying that white "discrimination" equals black discrimination in the US today. Think about what that means for a second. You're saying that white people are treated like shit, just like black people are treated...today...like in the US...like right now.
I thought your stupid ass was done...
It's funny, I gave you credit for not being as bad as turbonutbag and limp snake, thanks for refreshing my memory to make sure I don't make the same mistake again.
I am going on crazy tangents? What the are you talking about? I initially was complaining about people saying all christians should die. You seemed to think we should not take such talk seriously. What the is wrong with you?
Who is rating any discrimination besides you? I think that although job discrimination is not as bad as slavery, job discrimination is still a bad thing. It does not mean anything for it to be worse than any other form of discrimination, because it is still discrimination.
Here is a question for you: If a black man in a position of power denies a white man a job because he is white, is that racism and discrimination?
Someone saying all christians should die or go away is still bigoted regardless of what blacks went through and regardless of what you think that person is capable of.
What about a jewish man saying all blacks should die? Is that bigoted and racist?
What about black man saying all hispanics should die? Is that bigoted and racist?
Neither of those groups have the "power" to do such things, but something tells me it is still wrong.
are you talking about? I initially was complaining about people saying all christians should die. You seemed to think we should not take such talk seriously. What the is wrong with you?Who is rating any discrimination besides you? I think that although job discrimination is not as bad as slavery, job discrimination is still a bad thing. It does not mean anything for it to be worse than any other form of discrimination, because it is still discrimination.
Here is a question for you: If a black man in a position of power denies a white man a job because he is white, is that racism and discrimination?
Someone saying all christians should die or go away is still bigoted regardless of what blacks went through and regardless of what you think that person is capable of.
What about a jewish man saying all blacks should die? Is that bigoted and racist?
What about black man saying all hispanics should die? Is that bigoted and racist?
Neither of those groups have the "power" to do such things, but something tells me it is still wrong.
[quote name='Knoell']I am going on crazy tangents? What the are you talking about? I initially was complaining about people saying all christians should die. You seemed to think we should not take such talk seriously. What the is wrong with you?[/quote]
I just threw in a snide remark about how the right say similar things about muslims. So do you or do you not agree that non-violent muslims should speak out more against those that have violent views?
Saying it's racist implies that the black person has more power as a black man than a white man. So if black men somehow had all of the institutional power and privilege as white men, then yes, you could call it racism.
Now back to the real world:
White men overwhelmingly occupy positions of power and the higher you go, the more apparent it becomes. If one black man denies one white man a job, you could call it racially motivated and discriminatory, but not racist. Not only that, but it's probably a reaction to actual racism that the black man faced to begin with, so if anything, it's a reaction to the initial problem of white on black racism.
are you talking about? I initially was complaining about people saying all christians should die. You seemed to think we should not take such talk seriously. What the is wrong with you?[/quote]I just threw in a snide remark about how the right say similar things about muslims. So do you or do you not agree that non-violent muslims should speak out more against those that have violent views?
Ok, I'll play in your fantasyland for a minute.
Saying it's racist implies that the black person has more power as a black man than a white man. So if black men somehow had all of the institutional power and privilege as white men, then yes, you could call it racism.
Now back to the real world:
White men overwhelmingly occupy positions of power and the higher you go, the more apparent it becomes. If one black man denies one white man a job, you could call it racially motivated and discriminatory, but not racist. Not only that, but it's probably a reaction to actual racism that the black man faced to begin with, so if anything, it's a reaction to the initial problem of white on black racism.
Because somehow, christians enjoy the same social status as black people?
In terms of color, Jewish equals white so yes.
No, because pitting black people against latinos only serves to reinforce white supremacy and perpetuate the status quo.
It's not as simple as your simple mind thinks it is.
[quote name='UncleBob']Wow. I want to live in a world where someone can say that an entire race of people should be wiped out and it isn't considered racist.
Oh, wait... no I don't.[/QUOTE]
Most people don't understand what racism is. You're one of those people.
Kinda like how people think socialism and communism is the same thing. Just because you think they are doesn't make it true.
Racism is a system of oppression that implies power and supremacy. The word you're thinking of is prejudice. There's a difference...kinda like how I've been saying in the last few posts if you bothered to draw the connection.
Oh, wait... no I don't.[/QUOTE]
Most people don't understand what racism is. You're one of those people.
Kinda like how people think socialism and communism is the same thing. Just because you think they are doesn't make it true.
Racism is a system of oppression that implies power and supremacy. The word you're thinking of is prejudice. There's a difference...kinda like how I've been saying in the last few posts if you bothered to draw the connection.
Whewwwie this has got to be some kind of joke.
But of course in DohDoughs case the dictionary definition obviously isn't what racism REALLY means. Regardless is racial prejudice ok nowadays? Ohhh as long as it isn't towards a minority you can hate your little heart out. If you are a white then you are just getting what was coming to you. Amiright?
But of course in DohDoughs case the dictionary definition obviously isn't what racism REALLY means. Regardless is racial prejudice ok nowadays? Ohhh as long as it isn't towards a minority you can hate your little heart out. If you are a white then you are just getting what was coming to you. Amiright?
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[quote name='Knoell']Whewwwie this has got to be some kind of joke.[/quote]
There's certainly a joke here. And you're the punchline. You're just not bright enough to catch it.
All hate is not created equally. All repercussions of the expression of that hate are not equal. It's as simple as that.
There's certainly a joke here. And you're the punchline. You're just not bright enough to catch it.
Right, because the dictionary always provides an accurate and knowledgable reference on the definition, history, and uses of it's concept. They're way better encyclopedias or textbooks that provide context instead of soundbites. You can use all the dictionaries in the world and it still won't give you an educated view on the subject, but it seems like you're more interested in masturbation so whatever.
All hate is not created equally. All repercussions of the expression of that hate are not equal. It's as simple as that.
See Knoell, it's like talking about football. You're american so football is 11 on a side with an oblong thingy and a 30 second break between 5 second chunks of movement. Dohdough is a Brit in this example so he thinks football is a large field, noisy plastic horns and great excitement with a 1-0 win.
So, we see racism as white guy hates black guy because he's black. We also see that black guy hating white guy because he is white as equal racism. In Dohdough's world, neither is racism, it's prejudice and/or discrimination. You needn't be offended if he calls you racist, he's just saying that you're a member of a race that has more power and is superior. That's the sad thing about his version of racism, in effect it gives power to someone else, whether they deserve it or not.
Essentially you will never win against this guy because he's already admitted defeat. And if you're a white person not named Tim Wise, when you try to help you do it out of white guilt, not because you actually want to help because you're still racist. It's like when I helped clean up after that tornado in the middle of town. I made sure to put on my sheets and goose-step as much as possible so that it was abundantly clear that I was getting trees off of houses, setting up water stations, organizing a laundry effort, etc... simply because I despise black people.
So, we see racism as white guy hates black guy because he's black. We also see that black guy hating white guy because he is white as equal racism. In Dohdough's world, neither is racism, it's prejudice and/or discrimination. You needn't be offended if he calls you racist, he's just saying that you're a member of a race that has more power and is superior. That's the sad thing about his version of racism, in effect it gives power to someone else, whether they deserve it or not.
Essentially you will never win against this guy because he's already admitted defeat. And if you're a white person not named Tim Wise, when you try to help you do it out of white guilt, not because you actually want to help because you're still racist. It's like when I helped clean up after that tornado in the middle of town. I made sure to put on my sheets and goose-step as much as possible so that it was abundantly clear that I was getting trees off of houses, setting up water stations, organizing a laundry effort, etc... simply because I despise black people.
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[quote name='Knoell']I criticized 1) the people who were saying christians should die or leave. And 2) The guy in the video who firmly believes that christians want their fellow man to suffer.
I was then criticized for 1 because noone has the power to kill or make christians leave?[/QUOTE]
I was then criticized for 1 because noone has the power to kill or make christians leave?[/QUOTE]
[quote name='dohdough']Most people don't understand what racism is. You're one of those people.[/QUOTE]
The first part of this is correct.
Racism, defined.
Look at number three under that first definition. A member of one race saying that they want all member of another race to be exterminated pretty much fits into that definition exactly.
The first part of this is correct.
Racism, defined.
Look at number three under that first definition. A member of one race saying that they want all member of another race to be exterminated pretty much fits into that definition exactly.
[quote name='UncleBob']The first part of this is correct.
Racism, defined.
Look at number three under that first definition. A member of one race saying that they want all member of another race to be exterminated pretty much fits into that definition exactly.[/QUOTE]
Look 2 posts up. I already addressed this:
[quote name='I said'] Right, because the dictionary always provides an accurate and knowledgable reference on the definition, history, and uses of it's concept. They're way better encyclopedias or textbooks that provide context instead of soundbites. You can use all the dictionaries in the world and it still won't give you an educated view on the subject, but it seems like you're more interested in masturbation so whatever.[/quote]
Racism, defined.
Look at number three under that first definition. A member of one race saying that they want all member of another race to be exterminated pretty much fits into that definition exactly.[/QUOTE]
Look 2 posts up. I already addressed this:
[quote name='I said'] Right, because the dictionary always provides an accurate and knowledgable reference on the definition, history, and uses of it's concept. They're way better encyclopedias or textbooks that provide context instead of soundbites. You can use all the dictionaries in the world and it still won't give you an educated view on the subject, but it seems like you're more interested in masturbation so whatever.[/quote]
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