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[quote name='dohdough']Are you seriously arguing that a dictionary is a better source of information on a subject than an encyclopedia???
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We, as a society, over generations have created the languages with which we choose to communicate. As part of this process, we create lines and squiggles that form together to create letters - which in term, work together to create words. These letters and words are used as visual representations of phonetic sounds, with which we also use to communicate.
Again, as a society, we have determined that these particular forms of communication mean nothing unless we create universal meanings - or definitions - for these words. It does no good for me to ask you to hand me a "whoodigama" if you define "whoodigama" as a basketball and I'm needing a drinking glass.
Therefore, again, as a society, we've created words like "racism", "discrimination", "bigotry", "hate", "prejudice", etc. We've defined what these words mean. We've agreed that "racism" is a thought process where in someone believes that a particular race is inferior/superior simply because they are someone of that race.
You can keep defining "racism" as a basketball. It doesn't make it round and orange.
[/QUOTE]We, as a society, over generations have created the languages with which we choose to communicate. As part of this process, we create lines and squiggles that form together to create letters - which in term, work together to create words. These letters and words are used as visual representations of phonetic sounds, with which we also use to communicate.
Again, as a society, we have determined that these particular forms of communication mean nothing unless we create universal meanings - or definitions - for these words. It does no good for me to ask you to hand me a "whoodigama" if you define "whoodigama" as a basketball and I'm needing a drinking glass.
Therefore, again, as a society, we've created words like "racism", "discrimination", "bigotry", "hate", "prejudice", etc. We've defined what these words mean. We've agreed that "racism" is a thought process where in someone believes that a particular race is inferior/superior simply because they are someone of that race.
You can keep defining "racism" as a basketball. It doesn't make it round and orange.
[quote name='UncleBob']We, as a society, over generations have created the languages with which we choose to communicate. As part of this process, we create lines and squiggles that form together to create letters - which in term, work together to create words. These letters and words are used as visual representations of phonetic sounds, with which we also use to communicate.
Again, as a society, we have determined that these particular forms of communication mean nothing unless we create universal meanings - or definitions - for these words. It does no good for me to ask you to hand me a "whoodigama" if you define "whoodigama" as a basketball and I'm needing a drinking glass.
Therefore, again, as a society, we've created words like "racism", "discrimination", "bigotry", "hate", "prejudice", etc. We've defined what these words mean. We've agreed that "racism" is a thought process where in someone believes that a particular race is inferior/superior simply because they are someone of that race.
You can keep defining "racism" as a basketball. It doesn't make it round and orange.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not like languages change over time or anything...
edit: You still haven't made a good argument as to why a dictionary better than a treatise on a subject.
Again, as a society, we have determined that these particular forms of communication mean nothing unless we create universal meanings - or definitions - for these words. It does no good for me to ask you to hand me a "whoodigama" if you define "whoodigama" as a basketball and I'm needing a drinking glass.
Therefore, again, as a society, we've created words like "racism", "discrimination", "bigotry", "hate", "prejudice", etc. We've defined what these words mean. We've agreed that "racism" is a thought process where in someone believes that a particular race is inferior/superior simply because they are someone of that race.
You can keep defining "racism" as a basketball. It doesn't make it round and orange.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not like languages change over time or anything...
edit: You still haven't made a good argument as to why a dictionary better than a treatise on a subject.
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[quote name='dohdough']Yeah, it's not like languages change over time or anything...[/QUOTE]
Tell you what - go take some money out of your savings account, get tappin' in Microsoft Word and go print up your own dictionary that defines "racism" as whatever you want.
The rest of the sane world will go ahead and continue to define someone who thinks an entire race should be killed as a racist.
[/QUOTE]Tell you what - go take some money out of your savings account, get tappin' in Microsoft Word and go print up your own dictionary that defines "racism" as whatever you want.
The rest of the sane world will go ahead and continue to define someone who thinks an entire race should be killed as a racist.
[quote name='UncleBob']Tell you what - go take some money out of your savings account, get tappin' in Microsoft Word and go print up your own dictionary that defines "racism" as whatever you want.
The rest of the sane world will go ahead and continue to define someone who thinks an entire race should be killed as a racist.[/QUOTE]
If I want to know if I'm spelling something right, I'll use a dictionary. If I want to actually learn and understand a subject, I'll pick up a more detailed source. But hey, book learnin ain't fer ev'rbody. Especially not you.
HA. And as for sanity, the world is not a very sane place in case you haven't noticed, but not for the reasons you may think. Not that you think much...that's something for another thread though.
The rest of the sane world will go ahead and continue to define someone who thinks an entire race should be killed as a racist.[/QUOTE]
If I want to know if I'm spelling something right, I'll use a dictionary. If I want to actually learn and understand a subject, I'll pick up a more detailed source. But hey, book learnin ain't fer ev'rbody. Especially not you.
HA. And as for sanity, the world is not a very sane place in case you haven't noticed, but not for the reasons you may think. Not that you think much...that's something for another thread though.
[quote name='nasum']See Knoell, it's like talking about football. You're american so football is 11 on a side with an oblong thingy and a 30 second break between 5 second chunks of movement. Dohdough is a Brit in this example so he thinks football is a large field, noisy plastic horns and great excitement with a 1-0 win.
So, we see racism as white guy hates black guy because he's black. We also see that black guy hating white guy because he is white as equal racism. In Dohdough's world, neither is racism, it's prejudice and/or discrimination. You needn't be offended if he calls you racist, he's just saying that you're a member of a race that has more power and is superior. That's the sad thing about his version of racism, in effect it gives power to someone else, whether they deserve it or not.
Essentially you will never win against this guy because he's already admitted defeat. And if you're a white person not named Tim Wise, when you try to help you do it out of white guilt, not because you actually want to help because you're still racist. It's like when I helped clean up after that tornado in the middle of town. I made sure to put on my sheets and goose-step as much as possible so that it was abundantly clear that I was getting trees off of houses, setting up water stations, organizing a laundry effort, etc... simply because I despise black people.[/QUOTE]
You are right, it just gets to me that he was trying to play down someone saying such things as nothing to be worried about, because in his head all minorities are victims, and victims can never be offenders.
So, we see racism as white guy hates black guy because he's black. We also see that black guy hating white guy because he is white as equal racism. In Dohdough's world, neither is racism, it's prejudice and/or discrimination. You needn't be offended if he calls you racist, he's just saying that you're a member of a race that has more power and is superior. That's the sad thing about his version of racism, in effect it gives power to someone else, whether they deserve it or not.
Essentially you will never win against this guy because he's already admitted defeat. And if you're a white person not named Tim Wise, when you try to help you do it out of white guilt, not because you actually want to help because you're still racist. It's like when I helped clean up after that tornado in the middle of town. I made sure to put on my sheets and goose-step as much as possible so that it was abundantly clear that I was getting trees off of houses, setting up water stations, organizing a laundry effort, etc... simply because I despise black people.[/QUOTE]
You are right, it just gets to me that he was trying to play down someone saying such things as nothing to be worried about, because in his head all minorities are victims, and victims can never be offenders.
[quote name='UncleBob']Sure, sure. Whatever makes you feel better, dohdoh.
Damn whitey and his dictionary keeping the man down.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Knoell']You are right, it just gets to me that he was trying to play down someone saying such things as nothing to be worried about, because in his head all minorities are victims, and victims can never be offenders.[/QUOTE]
You dumbshits are two peas in a stupid pod.
ing plain oatmeal is more complex than you.
Damn whitey and his dictionary keeping the man down.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Knoell']You are right, it just gets to me that he was trying to play down someone saying such things as nothing to be worried about, because in his head all minorities are victims, and victims can never be offenders.[/QUOTE]
You dumbshits are two peas in a stupid pod.
ing plain oatmeal is more complex than you.I think all people should start just randomly re-defining words because they have stupid definitions. So, whenever you disagree with the definition of a word, just re-define it into whatever you want. It's what all the cool kids are doing now-a-days. Society be damned! Words change over time, so you might as well start that clock now. Be the change you want to see in the world.
[quote name='UncleBob']I think all people should start just randomly re-defining words because they have stupid definitions. So, whenever you disagree with the definition of a word, just re-define it into whatever you want. It's what all the cool kids are doing now-a-days. Society be damned! Words change over time, so you might as well start that clock now. Be the change you want to see in the world.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...it's not like scientific concepts have changed in the last 5000 years. The world is actually flat and the sky is held up by a turtle.
If we went back 200 years, the english we speak today would sound exactly the same as back then.
But no, I'm the crazy one "randomly changing" definitions because it gets me off. It's not like I'm following the academic field that's been studying racism for the last 150+ years.
Don't worry though, you can still call Pluto a planet if you want eventhough the astronomic community has reclassified it as something else.
Yeah...it's not like scientific concepts have changed in the last 5000 years. The world is actually flat and the sky is held up by a turtle.
If we went back 200 years, the english we speak today would sound exactly the same as back then.
But no, I'm the crazy one "randomly changing" definitions because it gets me off. It's not like I'm following the academic field that's been studying racism for the last 150+ years.
Don't worry though, you can still call Pluto a planet if you want eventhough the astronomic community has reclassified it as something else.
[quote name='dohdough']But no, I'm the crazy one "randomly changing" definitions because it gets me off. It's not like I'm following the academic field that's been studying racism for the last 150+ years.[/QUOTE]
You're saying that if we took a poll of the "academic field that's been studying racism", the majority of these people would not classify someone who believes an entire race of people should be exterminated as a racist individual?
Because I find that unlikely.
You're saying that if we took a poll of the "academic field that's been studying racism", the majority of these people would not classify someone who believes an entire race of people should be exterminated as a racist individual?
Because I find that unlikely.
[quote name='UncleBob']You're saying that if we took a poll of the "academic field that's been studying racism", the majority of these people would not classify someone who believes an entire race of people should be exterminated as a racist individual?
Because I find that unlikely.[/QUOTE]
Of course you would. You don't have the capacity to see nuance and context in your small world.
Because I find that unlikely.[/QUOTE]
Of course you would. You don't have the capacity to see nuance and context in your small world.
So, question... in this past 150+ years, when all these academic experts have redefined what racism is, why hasn't a single one of them managed to update a single dictionary? Too busy? I mean, the Oxford English Dictionary has time to add "lol" and "omg", but no one's thought to update this new definition of racism in the past 150 years?
I would think most would agree that we should not harbor such thoughts or actions regardless of what color is saying it.
It is not ok for black people to say they wish all white people would die despite what white people put them through. It is the definition of racism to believe that an entire race of people are the same way, and will do the same thing unless they are eliminated.
It is this conspiratorial attitude that all people of a certain color are the same, and will act the same that broods racism.
Regardless of color it has no place, anywhere.
It is not ok for black people to say they wish all white people would die despite what white people put them through. It is the definition of racism to believe that an entire race of people are the same way, and will do the same thing unless they are eliminated.
It is this conspiratorial attitude that all people of a certain color are the same, and will act the same that broods racism.
Regardless of color it has no place, anywhere.
[quote name='UncleBob']So, question... in this past 150+ years, when all these academic experts have redefined what racism is, why hasn't a single one of them managed to update a single dictionary? Too busy? I mean, the Oxford English Dictionary has time to add "lol" and "omg", but no one's thought to update this new definition of racism in the past 150 years?[/QUOTE]
Redefine is an exaggeration. We're not calling a basketball an orange. We're revising what it means to more accurately describe how it's used.
And WTF. Academics don't write theing dictionary and the dictionary is not a source of detailed information for all goddamn subjects.
[quote name='Knoell']I would think most would agree that we should not harbor such thoughts or actions regardless of what color is saying it.[/quote]
I will see you on this.
At least you're consistant in not understanding the concept of blowback.
For the two of you chuckleheads:
Redefine is an exaggeration. We're not calling a basketball an orange. We're revising what it means to more accurately describe how it's used.
And WTF. Academics don't write the
ing dictionary and the dictionary is not a source of detailed information for all goddamn subjects.[quote name='Knoell']I would think most would agree that we should not harbor such thoughts or actions regardless of what color is saying it.[/quote]
I will see you on this.
So a victim of racism(black people) hates the perpetrator of racism(white people), is in turn racist for hating someone(said white people) that commited racist acts against them(black people).
At least you're consistant in not understanding the concept of blowback.
Discrimination is not practiced equally.
Of course you say that. It makes it harder for the oppressed to point fingers at the hegemony.
For the two of you chuckleheads:
The last time I saw the dictionary used that way was a gay marriage "debate".
The con talking point was "the dictionary says marriage = 1 man + 1 woman".
Before pointing out that Canadian dictionaries changed because of the acceptance of gay marriage I would point out the dictionary has short definitions, the dictionary doesn't define society.
The con talking point was "the dictionary says marriage = 1 man + 1 woman".
Before pointing out that Canadian dictionaries changed because of the acceptance of gay marriage I would point out the dictionary has short definitions, the dictionary doesn't define society.
[quote name='dohdough']Redefine is an exaggeration. We're not calling a basketball an orange. We're revising what it means to more accurately describe how it's used.[/QUOTE]
And in the process, deciding that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race for no other reason than their race isn't racist.
It's a very strange world you live in.
Find me one reputable academic who will go on the public record saying that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race isn't racist.
And in the process, deciding that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race for no other reason than their race isn't racist.
It's a very strange world you live in.
Find me one reputable academic who will go on the public record saying that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race isn't racist.
[quote name='UncleBob']And in the process, deciding that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race for no other reason than their race isn't racist.
It's a very strange world you live in.
Find me one reputable academic who will go on the public record saying that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race isn't racist.[/QUOTE]
If you can't even debate me, what makes you think you can argue this with someone with a doctorate. You're not worth their time. If you're so convinced you're right, then YOU do the leg work.
Context. Learn what the it means.
It's a very strange world you live in.
Find me one reputable academic who will go on the public record saying that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race isn't racist.[/QUOTE]
If you can't even debate me, what makes you think you can argue this with someone with a doctorate. You're not worth their time. If you're so convinced you're right, then YOU do the leg work.
Context. Learn what the
it means.
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[quote name='UncleBob']It's a very strange world you live in.[/QUOTE]
true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc
true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc
I'm not going to argue with them. I'm just asking you to provide some evidence to support your claim that those in the academic field who study racism would not consider someone who wanted to eliminate an entire race to be racist.
If you cannot support you claim, I fully understand.
If you cannot support you claim, I fully understand.
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[quote name='UncleBob']If you cannot support you claim, I fully understand.[/QUOTE]
you no good speak inglish me understand
you no good speak inglish me understand
[quote name='UncleBob']I'm not going to argue with them. I'm just asking you to provide some evidence to support your claim that those in the academic field who study racism would not consider someone who wanted to eliminate an entire race to be racist.
If you cannot support you claim, I fully understand.[/QUOTE]
I have the entire academic community on speed dial. I'll get right on it.
They called back and said that you're awit for asking stupid questions.
Watch some videos by Michael Eric Dyson and do someing scholarship on your own. If you were truley interested, you wouldn't be jerking off to your own bullshit. I pointed you in the right direction. Now stop being a mooch and do some work.
If you cannot support you claim, I fully understand.[/QUOTE]
I have the entire academic community on speed dial. I'll get right on it.
They called back and said that you're a
wit for asking stupid questions.Watch some videos by Michael Eric Dyson and do some
ing scholarship on your own. If you were truley interested, you wouldn't be jerking off to your own bullshit. I pointed you in the right direction. Now stop being a mooch and do some work.I think I see the problem...
[quote name='dohdough']I have the entire academic community on speed dial.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='UncleBob']Find me one reputable academic who will go on the public record saying that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race isn't racist.[/QUOTE]
It seems you're under the impression that one person is the entire academic community.
[quote name='dohdough']I have the entire academic community on speed dial.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='UncleBob']Find me one reputable academic who will go on the public record saying that someone who wants to exterminate an entire race isn't racist.[/QUOTE]
It seems you're under the impression that one person is the entire academic community.
[quote name='UncleBob']I think I see the problem...
It seems you're under the impression that one person is the entire academic community.[/QUOTE]
Ok you racist piece of shit. Google "can black people be racist" and read the seconding hit by Dr. Eric Durham. Theres your one. Need another? ing look yourself.
Edit. I don't know how the you function in life being such an intellectually dishonest piece of shit. I hope you don't breed any douchebags like yourself. You're a prime candidate for sterilization if I ever met one.
I climbed down your Abyss of Stupidity enough for tonight. I can't wait to see what new oddities I'll see tomorrow. Maybe I'll see something that doesn't ressemble the argument of a child.
It seems you're under the impression that one person is the entire academic community.[/QUOTE]
Ok you racist piece of shit. Google "can black people be racist" and read the second
ing hit by Dr. Eric Durham. Theres your one. Need another? ing look yourself.Edit. I don't know how the
you function in life being such an intellectually dishonest piece of shit. I hope you don't breed any douchebags like yourself. You're a prime candidate for sterilization if I ever met one.I climbed down your Abyss of Stupidity enough for tonight. I can't wait to see what new oddities I'll see tomorrow. Maybe I'll see something that doesn't ressemble the argument of a child.
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I believe your original claim - the one I've questioned - is that one person (who, of course, isn't white) can express a belief that an entire race should be exterminated and that isn't racist.
Now, I've read through this article, and I have to say, I don't see this guy making any such claim.
You know, you might find this hard to believe, but I get what your message is trying to be - that racism isn't meaningful/effective unless it comes from someone with power against someone without power.
I totally agree with that.
But by this same idea, some idiot, homeless, drunk in the street shouting "White Power" is a racist asshole, even if he doesn't have any real power or influence. Does it mean all minorities should worry about this guy? No - but it doesn't excuse his behavior and I'm likely to turn the other direction if anyone wants to beat the crap out of him*.
Likewise, if some Hispanic guy is saying he wants to kill all the Japanese folks... he's a racist asshole and I'm probably going to go to the restroom while someone kicks his ass*.
(*Not a huge fan of violence myself, and I'm pretty scrawny, so I won't be doing any of the ass kicking - but what I don't see, I can't testify against.
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Now, I've read through this article, and I have to say, I don't see this guy making any such claim.
You know, you might find this hard to believe, but I get what your message is trying to be - that racism isn't meaningful/effective unless it comes from someone with power against someone without power.
I totally agree with that.
But by this same idea, some idiot, homeless, drunk in the street shouting "White Power" is a racist asshole, even if he doesn't have any real power or influence. Does it mean all minorities should worry about this guy? No - but it doesn't excuse his behavior and I'm likely to turn the other direction if anyone wants to beat the crap out of him*.
Likewise, if some Hispanic guy is saying he wants to kill all the Japanese folks... he's a racist asshole and I'm probably going to go to the restroom while someone kicks his ass*.
(*Not a huge fan of violence myself, and I'm pretty scrawny, so I won't be doing any of the ass kicking - but what I don't see, I can't testify against.
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I think dohdough's explanation is valid, and that it'd be nice if everyone understood racism in that way, while talking about prejudice as a different subject. But 99% of society understands "racism" as the definition that has been taught to well, everybody -- discrimination based on racial appearance.
It's a flawed definition, as dohdough pointed out, but I'm confused as to why he's getting frustrated over people not understanding a word when it's so understandable for them not to (everyone reads it as prejudice). Just explain the message you find important and cut out all the condescending insults. Who's really doing the masturbating here?
It's a flawed definition, as dohdough pointed out, but I'm confused as to why he's getting frustrated over people not understanding a word when it's so understandable for them not to (everyone reads it as prejudice). Just explain the message you find important and cut out all the condescending insults. Who's really doing the masturbating here?
[quote name='panzerfaust']I think dohdough's explanation is valid, and that it'd be nice if everyone understood racism in that way, while talking about prejudice as a different subject. But 99% of society understands "racism" as the definition that has been taught to well, everybody -- discrimination based on racial appearance.[/QUOTE]
Some people claim nobody is racist except for those who openly wear klan hoods or admit they are racist.
Some people claim nobody is racist except for those who openly wear klan hoods or admit they are racist.
[quote name='dohdough']I have the entire academic community on speed dial. I'll get right on it.
They called back and said that you're awit for asking stupid questions.
Watch some videos by Michael Eric Dyson and do someing scholarship on your own. If you were truley interested, you wouldn't be jerking off to your own bullshit. I pointed you in the right direction. Now stop being a mooch and do some work.[/QUOTE]
I saw him speak in person last year, I'd love to again sometime. He's an incredibly blunt and honest person.
They called back and said that you're a
wit for asking stupid questions.Watch some videos by Michael Eric Dyson and do some
ing scholarship on your own. If you were truley interested, you wouldn't be jerking off to your own bullshit. I pointed you in the right direction. Now stop being a mooch and do some work.[/QUOTE]I saw him speak in person last year, I'd love to again sometime. He's an incredibly blunt and honest person.
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[quote name='Msut77']Some people claim nobody is racist except for those who openly wear klan hoods or admit they are racist.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah I agree that even when racism is used for the prejudice version of the word, people prove to have no idea what they're talking about.
Well yeah I agree that even when racism is used for the prejudice version of the word, people prove to have no idea what they're talking about.
Prejudice and racism aren't interchangeable.
Someone could say "Wow, people from Kentucky or back-assward hillbillies" or "You might recheck that math, a woman did it."
Both of those statements are examples of someone being prejudice without invoking race.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice that requires race to be a factor in the thought process.
Someone could say "Wow, people from Kentucky or back-assward hillbillies" or "You might recheck that math, a woman did it."
Both of those statements are examples of someone being prejudice without invoking race.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice that requires race to be a factor in the thought process.
[quote name='panzerfaust']I think dohdough's explanation is valid, and that it'd be nice if everyone understood racism in that way, while talking about prejudice as a different subject. But 99% of society understands "racism" as the definition that has been taught to well, everybody -- discrimination based on racial appearance.
It's a flawed definition, as dohdough pointed out, but I'm confused as to why he's getting frustrated over people not understanding a word when it's so understandable for them not to (everyone reads it as prejudice). Just explain the message you find important and cut out all the condescending insults. Who's really doing the masturbating here?[/QUOTE]
Straw men and false equivelance are pet peeves and bob/knoell's modus operandi...along with a heavy helping of willful ignorance and playing dumb. Since they post that way so frequently, it's become a hobby of mine.
It's a flawed definition, as dohdough pointed out, but I'm confused as to why he's getting frustrated over people not understanding a word when it's so understandable for them not to (everyone reads it as prejudice). Just explain the message you find important and cut out all the condescending insults. Who's really doing the masturbating here?[/QUOTE]
Straw men and false equivelance are pet peeves and bob/knoell's modus operandi...along with a heavy helping of willful ignorance and playing dumb. Since they post that way so frequently, it's become a hobby of mine.
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[quote name='dohdough']Straw men and false equivelance are pet peeves and bob/knoell's modus operandi...along with a heavy helping of willful ignorance and playing dumb. Since they post that way so frequently, it's become a hobby of mine.[/QUOTE]
Knoell is an angry man.
But I honestly don't think UB is playing dumb, he has a serious inability to understand anything beyond simplistic binary - IE right/wrong liberal/conservative black/white.
Knoell is an angry man.
But I honestly don't think UB is playing dumb, he has a serious inability to understand anything beyond simplistic binary - IE right/wrong liberal/conservative black/white.
I am angry? Wow, most people tell me I am too nice. Thats written communication for you.
It really isn't even about whether it is racist, bigoted, or not. The people here defending someone saying such things are disgusting. Plain and simple. I don't care that 75% of the country identifies itself as christian, anyone who says that an entire group of ANYONE should die is bigoted, and it is indefensible.
It really isn't even about whether it is racist, bigoted, or not. The people here defending someone saying such things are disgusting. Plain and simple. I don't care that 75% of the country identifies itself as christian, anyone who says that an entire group of ANYONE should die is bigoted, and it is indefensible.
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[quote name='UncleBob']Prejudice and racism aren't interchangeable.
Someone could say "Wow, people from Kentucky or back-assward hillbillies" or "You might recheck that math, a woman did it."
Both of those statements are examples of someone being prejudice without invoking race.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice that requires race to be a factor in the thought process.[/QUOTE]
Class and sex discrimination does not equal racism.
Someone could say "Wow, people from Kentucky or back-assward hillbillies" or "You might recheck that math, a woman did it."
Both of those statements are examples of someone being prejudice without invoking race.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice that requires race to be a factor in the thought process.[/QUOTE]
Class and sex discrimination does not equal racism.
[quote name='cindersphere']Class and sex discrimination does not equal racism.[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely correct. Which is why I said those weren't examples of racism, but examples of prejudice thought.
If I say "All women are bad drivers", that's prejudice without racism. If I say "All Asians are bad drivers", that's prejudice with racism. One is judging a group of people based on a criteria that isn't race. The other is judging a group of people based on a criteria that is race.
You are absolutely correct. Which is why I said those weren't examples of racism, but examples of prejudice thought.
If I say "All women are bad drivers", that's prejudice without racism. If I say "All Asians are bad drivers", that's prejudice with racism. One is judging a group of people based on a criteria that isn't race. The other is judging a group of people based on a criteria that is race.
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[quote name='UncleBob']You are absolutely correct. Which is why I said those weren't examples of racism, but examples of prejudice thought.
If I say "All women are bad drivers", that's prejudice without racism. If I say "All Asians are bad drivers", that's prejudice with racism. One is judging a group of people based on a criteria that isn't race. The other is judging a group of people based on a criteria that is race.[/QUOTE]
Just misunderstood what you initially posted. Nvrmind my first post.
If I say "All women are bad drivers", that's prejudice without racism. If I say "All Asians are bad drivers", that's prejudice with racism. One is judging a group of people based on a criteria that isn't race. The other is judging a group of people based on a criteria that is race.[/QUOTE]
Just misunderstood what you initially posted. Nvrmind my first post.
[quote name='UncleBob']I believe your original claim - the one I've questioned - is that one person (who, of course, isn't white) can express a belief that an entire race should be exterminated and that isn't racist.
Now, I've read through this article, and I have to say, I don't see this guy making any such claim.[/quote]
You asserted that anyone calling for the extermination of people because of their race is racist.
The author asserts that black people cannot be racist because they have no institutional power to do so.
If black people can be anyone, then according to the author, anyone calling for the extermination of an entire race being racist, is untrue.
Simple logic here buddy.
As a member of a group(being white), he does in fact have privilege over people within his own socio-economic status. Because of the racist system, he has privilege and power over those being not white. He might not have the sway of David Duke, but we can't compare Duke to some homeless guy on that level.
[quote name='UncleBob']Prejudice and racism aren't interchangeable.
Someone could say "Wow, people from Kentucky or back-assward hillbillies" or "You might recheck that math, a woman did it."
Both of those statements are examples of someone being prejudice without invoking race.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice that requires race to be a factor in the thought process.[/QUOTE]
Unless black people are called hillbillies, I'm pretty sure that the term has a racial component to it. You can't have racism without classism and vice versa.
Now, I've read through this article, and I have to say, I don't see this guy making any such claim.[/quote]
You asserted that anyone calling for the extermination of people because of their race is racist.
The author asserts that black people cannot be racist because they have no institutional power to do so.
If black people can be anyone, then according to the author, anyone calling for the extermination of an entire race being racist, is untrue.
Simple logic here buddy.
Your assertion that the person doesn't pose a threat is misguided. The person obviously has an alcohol addition, probably suffers from a mental disorder, and the stresses of being homeless and being untreated pretty much makes a perfect storm for the guy to act out on that racism as an individual.
As a member of a group(being white), he does in fact have privilege over people within his own socio-economic status. Because of the racist system, he has privilege and power over those being not white. He might not have the sway of David Duke, but we can't compare Duke to some homeless guy on that level.
Once again, he can't be racist according to your perception of the word. The argument can be made that he's perpetuating white racism on Japanese folks and that his acts/statements are racist, but he, as a non-white actor, cannot actually be racist.
Sure, but a mentally unstable homeless alcoholic should be an exception. Justsayin...(*Not a huge fan of violence myself, and I'm pretty scrawny, so I won't be doing any of the ass kicking - but what I don't see, I can't testify against.
[quote name='UncleBob']Prejudice and racism aren't interchangeable.
Someone could say "Wow, people from Kentucky or back-assward hillbillies" or "You might recheck that math, a woman did it."
Both of those statements are examples of someone being prejudice without invoking race.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice that requires race to be a factor in the thought process.[/QUOTE]
Unless black people are called hillbillies, I'm pretty sure that the term has a racial component to it. You can't have racism without classism and vice versa.
[quote name='dohdough']Your assertion that the person doesn't pose a threat is misguided. The person obviously has an alcohol addition, probably suffers from a mental disorder, and the stresses of being homeless and being untreated pretty much makes a perfect storm for the guy to act out on that racism as an individual.
As a member of a group(being white), he does in fact have privilege over people within his own socio-economic status. Because of the racist system, he has privilege and power over those being not white. He might not have the sway of David Duke, but we can't compare Duke to some homeless guy on that level.[/quote]
Okay, so homeless black guy is angry, drunk and has a knife. Walks up to another homeless guy - also drunk, passed out and white. Black guy stabs white guy to death, screaming "Kill Whitey". In this situation, the black guy had all the power he needed, while the white guy had zero power.
Racism in your view?
My perception of the word, that fits exactly. Someone making the decision that a particular race of people is unworthy to continue living is racism.
They can be.
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Just like white people can be thugs - unlike the common perception around here.
As a member of a group(being white), he does in fact have privilege over people within his own socio-economic status. Because of the racist system, he has privilege and power over those being not white. He might not have the sway of David Duke, but we can't compare Duke to some homeless guy on that level.[/quote]
Okay, so homeless black guy is angry, drunk and has a knife. Walks up to another homeless guy - also drunk, passed out and white. Black guy stabs white guy to death, screaming "Kill Whitey". In this situation, the black guy had all the power he needed, while the white guy had zero power.
Racism in your view?
My perception of the word, that fits exactly. Someone making the decision that a particular race of people is unworthy to continue living is racism.
They can be.
http://www.tbhillbilly.com/main.html
Just like white people can be thugs - unlike the common perception around here.
You realize that's simply the name of a band, right? I mean I've lived in the south all my life and never heard anyone refer to a black person as a redneck, hick, or hillbilly. Coon on the other hand, I've unfortunately heard.
But those terms have entomology in the people of Appalachia largely, and they were mostly white immigrants,, many scotch-irish. Redneck has roots in the labor movement, mostly drawing from coal mines. None of this means they can't be used to describe anyone who isn't white, but to say they regularly are is just false.
But those terms have entomology in the people of Appalachia largely, and they were mostly white immigrants,, many scotch-irish. Redneck has roots in the labor movement, mostly drawing from coal mines. None of this means they can't be used to describe anyone who isn't white, but to say they regularly are is just false.
[quote name='UncleBob']Okay, so homeless black guy is angry, drunk and has a knife. Walks up to another homeless guy - also drunk, passed out and white. Black guy stabs white guy to death, screaming "Kill Whitey". In this situation, the black guy had all the power he needed, while the white guy had zero power.
Racism in your view?[/quote]
No. We've gone through this several times already.
For someone that used to tutor statistics, you sure don't apply it very well with your examples.
Racism in your view?[/quote]
No. We've gone through this several times already.
Your perception is wrong. You interpreted the article completely wrong. And you even agree that racism without power is meaningless.[/quote]
Exceptions do not make the rule. Pulling out the "you're the racist because you think all thugs are black" is a bullshit argument. There are millions of black muslims in this country, but that doesn't stop the perception of a muslim being that of a Middle Easterner. Words evolve and context changes.
For someone that used to tutor statistics, you sure don't apply it very well with your examples.
They aren't equal UncleBob, homeless guy 1 is white therefore he has a form of magical power that could oppress homeless guy 2 because he is black. Homeless black guy is just lucky he killed homeless white guy before homeless white guy moves up in the world (because his skin color is giving him such an outstanding chance) and oppresses homeless black guy. Why would homeless white guy want to oppress homeless black guy? Well because he is white of course, and doesn't have a choice. AmIRight?
Pure ridiculousness.
Pure ridiculousness.
[quote name='Knoell']They aren't equal UncleBob, homeless guy 1 is white therefore he has a form of magical power that could oppress homeless guy 2 because he is black. Homeless black guy is just lucky he killed homeless white guy before homeless white guy moves up in the world (because his skin color is giving him such an outstanding chance) and oppresses homeless black guy. Why would homeless white guy want to oppress homeless black guy? Well because he is white of course, and doesn't have a choice. AmIRight?
Pure ridiculousness.[/QUOTE]
Lemme ask you a silly question. Is it better to be black or white in the US.
Pure ridiculousness.[/QUOTE]
Lemme ask you a silly question. Is it better to be black or white in the US.
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Let me answer your question. No one has any idea how easy it is or how difficult it is to be black if they are white, how easy or how difficult it is to be white if they are black, or how difficult it is to be female if you are male, or how difficult it is to be male if you are female. You can't choose the pussy you come out of, but you can make the most out of your life is you desire to do so.
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