[quote name='Knoell']First off, you are getting out of context. You are claiming racism as what is holding blacks down. I then said if this is true what is holding whites down? And suddenly classism is the factor that is affecting white people so badly. Could this not mean that classism is holding black people down in conjuction with racism rather than individually? There are a multitude of contributing factors to a persons situation. To say racism is to blame for all poor black peoples problems is ridiculous. [/quote]
It is. Good thing I never said anything like that. Feel free to move the goal posts some more though. Its funny when you squirm.
If you can't understand how a concept like racism working on its own, how do you expect to understand intersectionality. You can't understand classism without racism and vice versa. This is painfully obvious because you take rare events and act as if they're common place that prove you right, when in reality, you're off your freaking rocker.
So getting back to the original argument, you are saying because white people subjugated black people it isn't racism if a black person says all white people should die?
Yes, I thought that was pretty obvious by now.
Got it. It is just getting even. AmIRight?
No. Even would mean 400 years of slavery, illiteracy, broken families, rape, executions, and all that nice stuff black people enjoy/-ed all that time. If white people acted right to begin with, we wouldn't have this issue, but you know how white people are.
Great news everyone, if a black man kills a white man that he hates, it was only because the white man was holding him down. It does not matter if the white person directly did anything to hold him down. By being white he is just as guilty as someone who was actively holding him down. Fair is fair, AmIRight?
Does the white guy suddenly stop being white when he's homeless? Does the black guy? Does the black guy hate white people for no reason? I've said it before, you don't have to consciously hate someone, as a white person, to perpetuate racist attitudes and actions. But hey, feel free to blame the victim of racism, the black guy, for lashing out his percieved oppressor. With your logic, the slaves were racist for hating their masters.
Your definition is critically flawed because you believe all white people are racist,
I've met a couple that aren't.
and all black people are victims.
Well, they are.
You believe racism is a one way street.
Yup. I've said that several times already.
It isn't, black people can discriminate and hate white people too.
You already know how people educated on racism define it and yes, black people can discriminate and hate against white people, but its not because they have the power to systemaically disenfranchise virtually the entire race. Not even close. It's because they're VICTIMS OF RACISM. Is a rape victim sexist if they hate men?
It is still racial discrimination if a black man decides not to hire a white person because he is white. IT IS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.
Sure, but its still not racist. When it's easier for a black man with a criminal record than a white man with no record with similar education and experience to get a job, then we can revisit this. Regardless, you've got a bit of a persecution complex going on.
If you want to water down the definition of racism down, and claim that by default all white people are racist because they are white, go right ahead. Do not expect other people to accept that though.
Me having a more nuanced view of racism is watering it down because a dictionary is far more important than 150+ years of research? I must've wasted all those years in school because I could've learned everything there is to know about something from a dictionary.
And if someone doesn't hire me, I do not speculate the hateful reasons they probably didn't hire me for. I call them jackasses and grab the newspaper. How many people are up for one job these days? 20? 30? 40? 50? Racism is not the reason black people do not get hired, it is statistics. You take 19 white marbles and put them in a bag, and one black one. Then you pick one marble out of the bag, What are the chances that you picked the black marble? Is the person picking out of the bag racist? Does the person hiring hate whites because he didn't hire the other 18 white people?
Hey, you were the person that said that an individual has more control over their lives compared to the society they live in, not me.
And your analogy is shit because that's not how racism works. If that were true, then the prison system wouldn't be 50% black.
I'm going to jump ahead and go to the next step: You could say that black people tend to be poor, but there are more poor white people than black people. You might think you got me on this one, but you don't. This is where white privilege comes into play which states that a white person will have better outcomes than non-white people. But this is a concept that you refuse to acknowledge.
This isn't an argument of whether racial discrimination occurs. It most certainly does,
And I never said it doesn't.
but it is an argument on whether it occurs 100% of the time as you suggest. It does not.
And I never said it did, but you're the one that focuses on scenarios that happen less than 1% of the time. That's pretty much statistically insignifigant.
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