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[quote name='Jabrim']You either are black or mixed one another. No one is comfortable in their color, you either are or you are not, I'm not "comfortable" being caucasian, I just am, it's life. I'm not researching prior posts to see what your ethnicity is, I just think it is funny that you make it such a big deal to such a simple fact of life.[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself; I am quite comfortable in my color. I think I look quite fetching in blackwatch plaid.
 
[quote name='cindersphere']Speak for yourself; I am quite comfortable in my color. I think I look quite fetching in blackwatch plaid.[/QUOTE]

Nice! :applause:
 
[quote name='Jabrim']You either are black or mixed one another.[/quote]
LOLZ...No comment.

No one is comfortable in their color,
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Well, having white pride is kind of a bad thing with all of it's connotations don't you think? Especially in the context it's typically used. But it's interesting how pride is ok, isn't it? I WONDER WHY THAT IS.

you either are or you are not,
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I'm either white/black or I'm not? I can work with this.

So in the black/white dichotomy, what attributes are given to whites and what attributes are given to black people. You obviously have an idea of what they mean because you assume that I'm black. So if a white person has similar views and stances on these positions, does that make them de facto black?

I'm not "comfortable" being caucasian, I just am, it's life.
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If by life, you mean being a member of society and an active participant in how it is structured, then sure. But this again begs the question, what's wrong with being comfortable with being white? What does that imply?

I'm not researching prior posts to see what your ethnicity is, I just think it is funny that you make it such a big deal to such a simple fact of life.
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Why is it funny? The fact that I am X race is simple, but what it means to be a member of that race isn't, which you also demonstrate by saying you're not "comfortable" being white; you just are.
 
[quote name='dohdough']lolz...no comment.


Well, having white pride is kind of a bad thing with all of it's connotations don't you think? Especially in the context it's typically used. But it's interesting how pride is ok, isn't it? I wonder why that is.


I'm either white/black or i'm not? I can work with this.

So in the black/white dichotomy, what attributes are given to whites and what attributes are given to black people. You obviously have an idea of what they mean because you assume that i'm black. So if a white person has similar views and stances on these positions, does that make them de facto black?


If by life, you mean being a member of society and an active participant in how it is structured, then sure. But this again begs the question, what's wrong with being comfortable with being white? What does that imply?


Why is it funny? The fact that i am x race is simple, but what it means to be a member of that race isn't, which you also demonstrate by saying you're not "comfortable" being white; you just are.[/quote]

lmao
 
[quote name='Kaelestis']Must be a pretty long download Jabrim.[/QUOTE]

No that is done, actually playing the new Might & Magic XBLA game right now.
 
[quote name='Jabrim']No that is done, actually playing the new Might & Magic XBLA game right now.[/QUOTE]
Just have to add, your comments up till now have reminded me of a couple of officers I know, and sure enough you are one.
 
[quote name='Kaelestis']Must be a pretty long download Jabrim.[/QUOTE]

part of Bush's failed rural backwater broadband expansion program

I think the problem you're having dohdough isn't mobile goal posts, but a definition of what a racially motivated attack by a black person on a white person would be called. It goes back to that sexism analogy that we were oh so close to agreeing on, the attack itself would be misogynist, though maybe not sexist since the action isn't being committed by the more powerful (from an institutional standpoint) party.

I'm not saying you have to change the language for your argument, but if you're going to argue with the french you best be able to conjugate la and le correctly. The main thing is that your versions of big and small racism are the exact opposite of theirs. Big racism being of the institutional variety and little racism being an individual action. At least, that's what I understand of your thinking based on your parts. Little racism (not trying to diminish, just trying to come up with something new that could solve the constant circling of this topic) is a component of big racism, but not a necessity to participate in big racism.
 
I wouldn't give him that much credit nasum. He actively believes that any racist actions a minority takes are not racist but just the backlash of whites holding them down. Even if the white victim is innocent, and is not actively racist, according to dohdough it does not matter his skin color condemns him. So in UB's example of a group of black kids beating up a white kid, the white kid got what was coming to him because he is white.

Somehow I don't think that is the train of thought we should have when approaching reducing racism.
 
[quote name='cindersphere']Just have to add, your comments up till now have reminded me of a couple of officers I know, and sure enough you are one.[/QUOTE]

I have no reason to lie about it, but thank you.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']In the phrase "Kill Whitey", yes. If someone was chanting "Kill Blackie", would you consider that racist?[/quote]
It's kinda like how calling someone a cracker isn't the same as calling someone a n****r, slope, jap, wetback, chink, $$$$, jaygo etc. Calling someone whitey or cracker doesn't come with long history of oppression, beatings, and being murdered.

Oh, I get it, racial slurs can't exist if they're about white people because you can't be racist against white people.
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Calling it a racial slur legitimizes it as being equivalent to the terms above. It simply isn't.

Interesting. The only thing I said about the second homeless guy is that he was drunk, passed out and white. And you automatically assume that he's racist. I guess because he's white?
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No, it's because either you or knoell brought up some stupid allegory about some homeless white guy yelling out racial slurs at people and arguing whether or not he has any power whatsoever. knoell referenced it in his stupid sig. I tried half-heartedly to look for it, but it's gone.

I don't - and never said I did.

Just like I don't believe two white people or two black people have the same challenges in life in this country. We're a myriad of different peoples, all with different challenges that we face. What defines us is how we answer those challenges.
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Being black means something. Being white means something. Being Asian means something. Being Latino means something. Being a member of one of those groups affects how one is treated in this society. Men and women have different issues, but that doesn't mean that men aren't in control and aren't conferred special privileges as being a member of that group.

We are already defined. There is no such thing as self-determination.

I don't believe that.
I've said I don't believe that.
You've acknowledged that I said I don't believe that.

Can you at least try to have an honest discussion?
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Sure I can. BUT YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT OF ALL PREJUDICE, DISCRIMINATION, etc are equal and that being white and being black doesn't mean shit. Which is exactly proven in your next scenario.

Umm... Question - Let's say I was beat up - often - by a group of black kids in school. Would it then be okay for me to project my hate/fear of these few black kids on all black people?
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No. You think you trapped me here, but you don't. Again, being white actually means something and being black also actually means something.
 
[quote name='nasum']I think the problem you're having dohdough isn't mobile goal posts, but a definition of what a racially motivated attack by a black person on a white person would be called.[/quote]
I call it racially motivated.

It goes back to that sexism analogy that we were oh so close to agreeing on, the attack itself would be misogynist, though maybe not sexist since the action isn't being committed by the more powerful (from an institutional standpoint) party.
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Mysogyny is still an expression of sexism. It reinforces your position as the one with power and the woman as being subordinate to it.

I'm not saying you have to change the language for your argument, but if you're going to argue with the french you best be able to conjugate la and le correctly. The main thing is that your versions of big and small racism are the exact opposite of theirs. Big racism being of the institutional variety and little racism being an individual action. At least, that's what I understand of your thinking based on your parts. Little racism (not trying to diminish, just trying to come up with something new that could solve the constant circling of this topic) is a component of big racism, but not a necessity to participate in big racism.
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Racism on a personal basis, like in the sexism example, is also an expression of institutional racism. Racism on a personal basis IS active participation in institutional racism.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I wouldn't give him that much credit nasum. He actively believes that any racist actions a minority takes are not racist but just the backlash of whites holding them down. Even if the white victim is innocent, and is not actively racist, according to dohdough it does not matter his skin color condemns him. So in UB's example of a group of black kids beating up a white kid, the white kid got what was coming to him because he is white.

Somehow I don't think that is the train of thought we should have when approaching reducing racism.[/QUOTE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
 
So DohDough, what is a privledge of a race exactly since you said earlier that certain races have privledges? Does the black race have fuller lips and atheltic ability moreso than an Asian person, or does a white person has the better chance of climbing the proverbial corporate ladder than a black person? Maybe an Asian person has better odds of opening a successful dinner focusing on cultural food?
 
[quote name='dohdough']It's kinda like how calling someone a cracker isn't the same as calling someone a n****r, slope, jap, wetback, chink, $$$$, jaygo etc. Calling someone whitey or cracker doesn't come with long history of oppression, beatings, and being murdered.


Calling it a racial slur legitimizes it as being equivalent to the terms above. It simply isn't.


No, it's because either you or knoell brought up some stupid allegory about some homeless white guy yelling out racial slurs at people and arguing whether or not he has any power whatsoever. knoell referenced it in his stupid sig. I tried half-heartedly to look for it, but it's gone.


Being black means something. Being white means something. Being Asian means something. Being Latino means something. Being a member of one of those groups affects how one is treated in this society. Men and women have different issues, but that doesn't mean that men aren't in control and aren't conferred special privileges as being a member of that group.

We are already defined. There is no such thing as self-determination.


Sure I can. BUT YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT OF ALL PREJUDICE, DISCRIMINATION, etc are equal and that being white and being black doesn't mean shit. Which is exactly proven in your next scenario.


No. You think you trapped me here, but you don't. Again, being white actually means something and being black also actually means something.[/QUOTE]

Yes, being black means your black, being white means your white, there is also a box for the hispanic people too who do surveys.
 
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