Rated R for Republican - Starring Senator Vitter

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From the beginning of his political career 16 years ago, Senator David Vitter has been known for efforts to plant himself on the moral high ground, challenging the ethics of other Louisiana politicians, decrying same-sex marriage and depicting himself as a clean-as-a-whistle champion of family values.
David Vitter, whose phone number was among those of an escort service’s clients, and Rudolph W. Giuliani. "I’m a conservative who opposes radically redefining marriage, the most important social institution in human history," Mr. Vitter, a 46-year-old Republican, wrote in a letter last year to The Times-Picayune, the New Orleans daily.
That self-created image, a political winner here since 1991, when Mr. Vitter joined the Louisiana House, took a tumble Monday with the disclosure that his phone number was among those on a list of client numbers kept by Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the so-called D.C. Madam, who is accused of running a prostitution ring in Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11vitter.html?em&ex=1184299200&en=886c75e6b9d26bdb&ei=5087%0A

Another one bites the dust.

Larry Flynt, who is spearheading this investigation, is great - just read this quote from his reporter:

Moldea cited Vitter's conservative record on family issues. Asked if he and Flynt would expose sexual misconduct by a politician without such a record, Moldea said: "If someone hasn't been shooting off his mouth, we'll throw him back in the river."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071001994.html?hpid=sec-artsliving
 
Oh lord, this shit makes me laugh so hard. "Sex out of wedlock and adultery are sins against God, Jesus and baby kittens, and you're an immoral communist if you do it. Now excuse me whilst I go duck into a closet to plow a diseased prostitute behind my wife's back."
 
Gingrich was banging his secretary while he was demonizing Clinton over Lewinsky. Limbaugh declared that drug addicts should go to jail while addicted to prescription drugs himself.

Let he who is without sin throw the first stone. I'm sick of these self righteous people on either side trying to legislate morality, they're no better than anyone else.
 
Vitter has the right-wing talking heads pretty divided. Some try to exonerate him, while others (notably Hannity) are hanging him out to dry. Those who are distancing themselves from him seem to be the ones who look like true Republicans, IMHO. At least they look like they feasibly believe in the idea of 'family values' (as silly as their definition seems to me); those trying to justify Vitter's actions (via his apology, or saying it is a private matter like Gore's son's drug/speeding bust) seem to be politically naive and moreover, disingenuous.

Something I don't get: why is the madam being charged still, and no charges have been brought up against Vitter? Prostitution is a unique criminal act in that both participants are (ideally) willing participants. People don't volunteer to be subject to B&E or a mugging, yet with prostitution, both actors are criminals. I fully expect to see him charged (not really, though he should be).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']'family values'[/quote]

How should 'family values' be defined, is what I've been wondering.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Something I don't get: why is the madam being charged still, and no charges have been brought up against Vitter? Prostitution is a unique criminal act in that both participants are (ideally) willing participants. People don't volunteer to be subject to B&E or a mugging, yet with prostitution, both actors are criminals. I fully expect to see him charged (not really, though he should be).[/quote]

Wow - I didn't even think of that.

Guess it's that old double standard at play. After all - in a drug bust they arrest both the buyer and the dealer.
 
Apperently, not only is he being busted for bangin' a prostitute, hes also now under suicide watch at some hospital and he has an illegitimate 11 year old with his maid that is being uncovered.


Wow, why the hell do i live here?
 
[quote name='level1online']...still the best country in the world. ;)[/quote]
Depends on what you mean by 'best'. Denmark is the happiest country in the world, followed by Switzerland and Austria. America is 23rd. I would rank a country's greatness by how happy its people are, personally.

Japan is 90th. :lol: Considering how artificial japanese life is (fucking fake beaches and sunsets? GTFO), no wonder their suicide rate is so high, and they're so unhappy.
 
[quote name='level1online']...still the best country in the world. ;)[/quote]
Maybe my point of view would be different If I lived up north or in New York....cause ever since Ive lived here things have been baaaaaaad.


Katrina just bulldozed my life here, hence my reason for moving to spain soon.
 
[quote name='shnizzle66']Apperently, not only is he being busted for bangin' a prostitute, hes also now under suicide watch at some hospital and he has an illegitimate 11 year old with his maid that is being uncovered.


Wow, why the hell do i live here?[/QUOTE]

Can't blame your entire life around politicians (even if we assume they're a microcosm of what the people who elected them are like).

Hell, I was just reading a newsletter and saw that Tulane had a tenure track job opening that would be a perfect fit for me (if I were finished with school, at any rate). I'd love to teach there, and sit in Audubon park every day for lunch. New Orleans is a fantastic city, and LA's politics are pretty remarkably corrupt - however, what state/town/whatever would ever truly admit that their politics are on the up and up? Where I live now is still ruled by the mafia (though they lay way under the radar, years after our mayor's terms are over, they all seem to get indicted on corruption/conspiracy charges).

I wanted to ask you if you could provide links on news stories about Vitter's alleged child. I've seen news stories discussing him "practicing family values" in Canal St. brothels, but nothing about either suicide watch or illegitimate children.
 
I agree with what you said, politicians always seem to be "settled for", we end up picking who we vote for, not demanding.


Ill look for some but Ive only heard by word of mouth, a lot of it, too.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Something I don't get: why is the madam being charged still, and no charges have been brought up against Vitter? Prostitution is a unique criminal act in that both participants are (ideally) willing participants. People don't volunteer to be subject to B&E or a mugging, yet with prostitution, both actors are criminals. I fully expect to see him charged (not really, though he should be).[/QUOTE]

Statute of limitations on prostitution is probably five years. Then there's the burden of proof that a crime actually took place. Dates and times and participants all have to be recorded as facts, which probably don't exist. Admitting to an encounter with a prostitute in 1990 and your phone # showing up on a pimps phone record isn't quite enough to warrant a criminal prosecution. Unless, of course, he lied while under oath to a grand jury about the behavior.
 
wait...perjury is bad again?

and another R for the word hypocRitical..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-boballen071107,0,7769658.story

State Rep. Bob Allen was arrested Wednesday afternoon at a local park after offering to perform a sex act on an undercover officer in exchange for $20, police said.

Allen, R-Merritt Island, was booked into the Brevard County jail in Sharpes on a charge of solicitation to commit prostitution, a second-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in the county jail and a $500 fine.

An undercover officer decided to go into one of the bathroom stalls, Hutchinson said. Moments later, Allen knocked on the stall door and offered to perform oral sex on the officer for $20, according to the police spokesman.

The officer identified himself and took Allen into custody. Hutchinson said the officers had no idea the suspect was a state lawmaker.

What's more Bob Allen is McCain's co-chair in FL.
 
[quote name='usickenme']wait...perjury is bad again?

and another R for the word hypocRitical..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-boballen071107,0,7769658.story



What's more Bob Allen is McCain's co-chair in FL.[/quote]
:rofl:

I hope to god this Bob Allen is anti-gay. Another Ted Haggard, caught by the balls? Oh wait, he is:

He received the designation "Wicked Witch" which is reserved for "The Worst of the Worst" from the central Florida-based Rainbow Democratic Club, a Gay & Lesbian civil rights organization. Allen sponsored a failed bill in the Florida legistature to tighten the state’s prohibition on public sex. The Republican state representative is co-chair of Republican Sen. John McCain's preseidential campaign in Florida.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Allen

:lol:
 
Yes, any deviant act by an individual means that all Republican's are anti-gay, dick suckers. I don't like the anti-gay zealots either, but reveling in the shortcomings of others doesn't make you or your cause, to admonish Republicans for being conservative, any more righteous.
 
[quote name='usickenme']I'm admonishing them for being hypocrites. Try to keep up.[/QUOTE]

Then admonish the ones being 'outed', and don't paint a broad brush.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Yes, any deviant act by an individual means that all Republican's are anti-gay, dick suckers. I don't like the anti-gay zealots either, but reveling in the shortcomings of others doesn't make you or your cause, to admonish Republicans for being conservative, any more righteous.[/quote]
Since when did I say every single republican is a closeted homosexual? I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy (that indeed seems so prevalent in other ways- don't forget that white house prostitution service) that anti-gay people seem to be compensating for something. ;)
 
But you are alluding that becuase a Republican happens to be a hypocrite, all republicans share in his guilt by association. Otherwise why bother mentioning that he's a Republican at all? If his party affiliation were akin to skin color, one could say you may have racist tendencies.

Just becuase you don't like the anti-gay agenda doesn't mean it's invalid becuase a few of their proponents are closet homosexuals.

If you side with the rights of homosexual groups to be treated fairly, then you should be the first person to forgive these people's transgressions as they would no doubt benefit from your supposed open mindedness regarding sexual orientation. Unfortunately, you just sound like another self-righteous ass who revels in revenge. Not a very nice way to go through life IMO, especially if you profess to be on the side of compassion.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Statute of limitations on prostitution is probably five years. Then there's the burden of proof that a crime actually took place. Dates and times and participants all have to be recorded as facts, which probably don't exist. Admitting to an encounter with a prostitute in 1990 and your phone # showing up on a pimps phone record isn't quite enough to warrant a criminal prosecution. Unless, of course, he lied while under oath to a grand jury about the behavior.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure Palfrey is *more* than happy to, what do you Americans call it - 'plea bargain'? ;)

As far as admittance, here's the by line from FOX News: "NEW ORLEANS — Louisiana Sen. David Vitter apologized again Monday to constituents and friends for his connection to an alleged prostitution ring in Washington, D.C., but said he's been to church and marriage counseling and has received forgiveness from God and his wife."

Now, he didn't ask for forgiveness from God and his wife because he was playing Yahtzee with Palfrey and her 'employees.' I think that's a safe assumption.

Also, sure, you are correct that reveling in other people's falling short of an ideal is improper form. However, the aspect of hypocrisy must not be ignored in the slightest (not because it is delicious - though it is - but because it reminds us what an imperfect ideal "family values" is, because it reminds us that we should be skeptical of everyone elected to office, and because we should be wary of those who try to impose moral values at the individual level on politics, generally speaking).

However, a true person who apologizes would do so upon the occurrence of the act, and NOT after the public revelation of the fact. He apologized not because he is sorry, but because he was caught. You might (rightly) say that makes him remarkably similar to other politicians. Nevertheless, this, of course, is a cynical slogan that one would use to allow politicians to abuse their power and exist as hypocrites. It is a defeatist attitude that allows for unchecked use of power, because, since all politicians do this or that, we might as well let them get away with it.

Like Mark Foley, this man is yet another Republican politician that exposes the moral and sexual hypocrisy about the Republican party. Should we look to someone else for moral guidance and family values? Perhaps Newt Gingrich, who delivered divorce papers to his wife while she was in the hospital for major surgery, and eventually maried the intern he was having an affair with (all during the Clinton scandal, mind you)? Perhaps Rudy Giuliani, who has had more wives than anyone else in Washington? Should we trust his word? I bet his ex-wives have contrary opinions of his vows and promises.

Look, I know you're the kind of person who struggles to identify patterns in society, but how many Republicans have to be exposed for not living up to the "moral" standards they espouse before you realize that they are as morally corrupt as they are financially?

EDIT: Before I forget, Clinton was impeached (although he did not resign from office due to being "morally unfit for office," as suggested by the then-fucking-prostitutes Mark Vitter). In addition, let me make this perfectly clear:
HE WAS ACQUITTED; GET OVER IT.

Man, if I had a ruble for every time you knee-jerk fucks bring up Clinton, I'd make Microsoft look like fuckin' paupers.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']But you are alluding that becuase a Republican happens to be a hypocrite, all republicans share in his guilt by association. Otherwise why bother mentioning that he's a Republican at all? If his party affiliation were akin to skin color, one could say you may have racist tendencies.

Just becuase you don't like the anti-gay agenda doesn't mean it's invalid becuase a few of their proponents are closet homosexuals.

If you side with the rights of homosexual groups to be treated fairly, then you should be the first person to forgive these people's transgressions as they would no doubt benefit from your supposed open mindedness regarding sexual orientation. Unfortunately, you just sound like another self-righteous ass who revels in revenge. Not a very nice way to go through life IMO, especially if you profess to be on the side of compassion.[/quote]

In other words, you like hypocrites because if you don't agree with what they're saying, then you're likely to agree with what they're doing (and vice-versa)

Cute argument. Full of shit, but cute.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']But you are alluding that becuase a Republican happens to be a hypocrite, all republicans share in his guilt by association. Otherwise why bother mentioning that he's a Republican at all? [/QUOTE]

I dunno maybe because being anti-gay is written in the fucking Republican Platform!

And you aren't trying to equate these self-righteous hypocritcal tools with homosexuals in everyday life are you? No one is falling for that.
 
[quote name='usickenme']I dunno maybe because being anti-gay is written in the fucking Republican Platform!

And you aren't trying to equate these self-righteous hypocritcal tools with homosexuals in everyday life are you? No one is falling for that.[/QUOTE]


I'm pretty sure not cheating on your wife with another male is written in the 'Politician Handbook. There's just as many people on the other side of the aisle who are like that too, especially in the South. (Being fervently anti-gay, that is)
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'm pretty sure not cheating on your wife with another male is written in the 'Politician Handbook. There's just as many people on the other side of the aisle who are like that too, especially in the South. (Being fervently anti-gay, that is)[/QUOTE]

...and we eagerly anticipate their being exposed by Palfrey's 'lil black book,' too.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'm pretty sure not cheating on your wife with another male is written in the 'Politician Handbook. There's just as many people on the other side of the aisle who are like that too, especially in the South. (Being fervently anti-gay, that is)[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why you need to defend this idiots but let me make is simple. If you campaign as being against something be it pot, videogames, homosexuality, prostitution..... and you get caught doing it. You're a hypocrite and deserving of scorn. No matter what party of which you are a member.

By they way, there is a difference between an imaginary "Politician Handbook" and a Party Platform.
 
[quote name='usickenme']I'm not sure why you need to defend this idiots but let me make is simple. If you campaign as being against something be it pot, videogames, homosexuality, prostitution..... and you get caught doing it. You're a hypocrite and deserving of scorn. No matter what party of which you are a member.

By they way, there is a difference between an imaginary "Politician Handbook" and a Party Platform.[/QUOTE]


Who am I defending? I'm simply telling you this anti-gay, family matters agenda isn't limited to Republicans.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Who am I defending? I'm simply telling you this anti-gay, family matters agenda isn't limited to Republicans.[/QUOTE]
But so far the Gay Bashing in Public Whilst Gay Boinking in Private is.
 
[quote name='usickenme']I'm not sure why you need to defend this idiots but let me make is simple. If you campaign as being against something be it pot, videogames, homosexuality, prostitution..... and you get caught doing it. You're a hypocrite and deserving of scorn. No matter what party of which you are a member.[/quote]

:applause:
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Who am I defending? I'm simply telling you this anti-gay, family matters agenda isn't limited to Republicans.[/QUOTE]

Spare us the need for fake equity. Not only is an anti-gay bias written into the GOP platform, it is far more prevelant on the right side of the aisle.

It’s like this, No one gives a shit that Rush Limbaugh’s power bill on his mansion is 10 grand a month. But when it is Al Gore, everyone knows.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Spare us the need for fake equity. Not only is an anti-gay bias written into the GOP platform, it is far more prevelant on the right side of the aisle.

It’s like this, No one gives a shit that Rush Limbaugh’s power bill on his mansion is 10 grand a month. But when it is Al Gore, everyone knows.[/QUOTE]
Limbaugh is not an elected politician and doesn't have an entire career based on having previously been elected. There's quite a difference there. There's also the hypocricy of having a 10,000 utility bill in your mansion and telling everyone they have to cut back on carbon emissions, or do you only see the hypocracy of Republicans?

And you should cite your sources for the "anti-gay" republican platform. Just throwing it out there doesn't make it true - even from such a reliable source such as yourself.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']And you should cite your sources for the "anti-gay" republican platform. Just throwing it out there doesn't make it true - even from such a reliable source such as yourself.[/QUOTE]

From page 83 of the 2004 Republican Party Platform:

We strongly support President Bush’s call for a Constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state judges nor bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage. We believe, and the social science confirms, that the well-being of children is best accomplished in the environment of the home, nurtured by their mother and father anchored by the bonds of marriage. We further believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']From page 83 of the 2004 Republican Party Platform:[/quote]

Wow.

I'm just shocked that the Bush platform invoked the name of science as a source of positive reinforcement.

I guess "social science" is soft enough for Rove & co. to manipulate findings, unlike the other harder sciences (eg Evolution, Enviornmental Impact) that are more objective and less malleable to willful distortion.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Limbaugh is not an elected politician and doesn't have an entire career based on having previously been elected. There's quite a difference there. There's also the hypocricy of having a 10,000 utility bill in your mansion and telling everyone they have to cut back on carbon emissions, or do you only see the hypocracy of Republicans?
[/QUOTE]

meh, Al gore hasn't been in office for 6+ years.

of course there is some hypocrisy (although he is attempting mitigate it by Carbon offsets) but that wasn't the point.


CocheseUGA is in here, desperately posting the “everybody’s doin’ it, so lay off” defense. But when either a conservative or liberal does something in opposition to what their party traditionally supports it will be in the press more then if it was anyone else. Or to put it another way; Hypocracy is more interesting when it is more extreme.

So quit crying about Republicans getting a bad rap because it works both ways.
 
[quote name='camoor']I guess "social science" is soft enough for Rove & co. to manipulate findings, unlike the other harder sciences (eg Evolution, Enviornmental Impact) that are more objective and less malleable to willful distortion.[/QUOTE]

No. They're incorrectly reporting genuine social science reports. Most family research shows that children in stable, dual parent households fare better off than those in single-parent households, unstable (rotating guardians, frequent changes in guardian/parent's spouse, etc.) households, etc. One thing NOT compared against stable dual parent households are children of gay parents, which is the ONE group alluded to in the statement cited above.

Saying that living with two parents who are married provides advantages compared to other groups is not a controversial thing to say; consider the time/income advantages associated with that (at the very least). To say that it is superior to equally-resource-equipped homosexual parents, however, is pure conjecture. Nothing new to politicians.
 
[quote name='usickenme'] But when either a conservative or liberal does something in opposition to what their party traditionally supports it will be in the press more then if it was anyone else. Or to put it another way; Hypocracy is more interesting when it is more extreme.

[/QUOTE]

You missed that I was trying to say the exact same thing. Maybe I didn't do it well, but that was my point.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']From page 83 of the 2004 Republican Party Platform:

blah-dee, blah-dee-dah[/QUOTE]

I'm sure usikenme can cite his own passages and fight his own battles. (then again, maybe not). But I fail to see how this is "anti-gay." They don't state they want to eliminate gay people or make being gay illegal, they just don't want then to be able to call themselves "married."

I don't agree with the government anointing, recognizing, or defining "marriage" either and am opposed to their initiative to make marriage mean 1 man+1 woman, but it doesn't make me "pro-gay" either. What their doing is trying to give "marriage" special rights, which is incongruent with the spirit of the constitution which holds all rights to be those that belong to individuals. Groups of people, be they majorities, minorities, or couples cannot have any rights superseding those of an individuals

Their hypocracy is saying they don't want judges or bureaucrats to be forced to recognize a particular definition of marriage, yet they want to force their own definition to be recognized.

That's immoral to anyone who's supposed to stand for freedom, but it's not necessarily anti-gay.
 
[quote name='bmulligan'] They don't state they want to eliminate gay people or make being gay illegal, they just don't want then to be able to call themselves "married."[/QUOTE]

No.

"We further believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage."

"legal recognition" is ambiguous enough to imply that it could simply be the terminology ("marriage" versus "civil union"), but also ambiguous enough to imply what they directly suggest next. "accompanying benefits." There are benefits to marriage beyond the title, of course. Our society is not having a semantic argument; by saying, very clearly, that they oppose the "accompanying benefits" of marriage to any non-man-and-woman couple, that is rather explicitly anti-gay. It does relegate non-monogamous-two-person-heterosexual couples to second class status. I fail to see how that's not made perfectly clear by the statement that was cited.
 
Then it could also mean anti-man/horse love. Or maybe anti-tranny/granny love. Give it a rest, myke, it doesn't SAY anti-homosexual specifically, it's far more pro-hetero than anything anti. It's your interpretation putting the anti spin on it, and you emotion getting the better of you.

If it's anti-anything, it anti-individual rights. That alone makes it invalid, regardless if homosexuals are the intended target.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Then it could also mean anti-man/horse love. Or maybe anti-tranny/granny love. Give it a rest, myke, it doesn't SAY anti-homosexual specifically, it's far more pro-hetero than anything anti. It's your interpretation putting the anti spin on it, and you emotion getting the better of you.

If it's anti-anything, it anti-individual rights. That alone makes it invalid, regardless if homosexuals are the intended target.[/QUOTE]

man/horse? Whatever you say, Rick Santorum. :roll:

Apparently I missed all the anti-man/horse and whatever other categories you want to come up with marriage amendments over the past few years. Instead, I saw state ban on gay marriage after state ban on gay marriage passed over the past few years. I saw San Franciscans and a minority of others have their GAY marriages *revoked* by the state (the freedom to oppress others triumphs!). I saw our sitting president discuss the idea of amending the constitution so as to ensure the iron-cladness of having a second class of citizen.




And never once was a horse mentioned, except by those people playing some of the more offensive (and also completely bloody idiotic) slippery slope arguments.

You can try to dance around the issue, but to act as if it isn't very clear based on the platform as worded, and 100% of ballot issues over the past half decade, is a complete lie. You are aware of that. If you aren't, then I think we need to send you back to middle school in order to rediscover "literal" and "figurative" speech.
 
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