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I really like this game, I've played all the REs and i know this one steps away from the horror/survival alot but this one is damn fun.

last night my roommate and i were discussing the combat system, and he said the one thing that really bothered him was the knife and kick.

he said that the knife has so little effect and use that it is a superfluous part of the game. in addition, he felt that the kick was so powerful when executed, and yet was so spotty in terms of when you could execute it that it was also not a very interesting aspect of the game.

reason being that because whenever some "zombies" or whatever were swarming you, or got the jump on you, all you had to do was enter your item screen, equip the shotgun and blast the living hell out of them. the shot gun is the ultimate close quarters weapon.

i argued that 1) the game is a shooter, not a hack and slash 2)the kick and knife have their place, but it was never meant to be a big part of the game, 3) there's more than enough ammo for the shotgun (or even the handgun) to keep you from justifying using Leon's melee attacks.

i do agree with him in saying that the close quarter aspect could have been better, that you could have had more pressure to use skill, (his suggestion would have been that when pulling a weapon from the attache case, that it took a while to equip it, thereby taking away the "instant shotgun to your face" manuever)

i'd love to hear some thoughts.


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The knife is meant for box opening and if you ever run out of ammo. I think they balanced the game well in terms of ammo use as you do not have to worry about knifing all the zombies and you also cant just run and gun. The kick works well when you're low on shotty ammo and need to clear the guys around you.
 
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DDF- please get your inane comments out now, eat a hot dog, eat another hot dog, weep silently in your mom's basement, and continue on your journey through the world wide web of kiddie porn.[/QUOTE]
Yeah what he said. Although you really don't have to tell DDF to eat a fat weiner because he does it all the time.
 
I never really got the hang of the shoot in knee and kick method. I watched a video somewhere with someone doing it and obviously they had a lot of practicing cause they were kicking ass the entire time with it. And yes I believe the knifes main use it to save ammo or get out of a certain death situation. I remember fighting off a chainsaw women with it so I could run and find a better shot/more ammo. I wouldn't try that again though cause I sure she would cut my head off next time.
 
I'm kinda glad they toned down the knife. In code Veronica I could go through large portions of the game just killing zombie with the knife. And I didn't think the kick was too hard to execute, but like you bring up in a way once I got more weapons I hardly used it.
 
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[quote name='punqsux']guys, keep it on topic, if DDF bothers you, there's an ignore function.

back on topic[/QUOTE]

I love seeing that he did post but I cant see what he posted because its ignored, it puts a big smile on my face.
 
I completely agree. The knife is a bit on the weak side. You can stab and slash all day, but you won't get far. Primary use is opening boxes and barrels. And the kick? Yes, a bit too haphazard. If you try the kick, it feels like you risk being grabbed and losing health. Even the handgun is not enough, large groups will swamp you. Shotgun is my personal favorite; plus it has a really high decapitation rate (no spoilers here). RE4 does a great job of making you feel the intensity of the danger!
 
The knife is water down a little bit but it still comes in handy to fend of enemies before you pull out your big guns to kill them (Conserve ammo). On the other hand the kick move has saved my life more than once so I can't complain about its effectiveness.
 
The knife was only good for moments when you had no ammo or you didn't want to waste ammo (opening boxes ect.). It's a last resort weapon it's not a main weapon to use, considering these enemies can take a bullet to the face whats a knife supposed to do? I liked using it against them when they were on the ground after you shoot them in the knee, get a few swipes in and back off (saves on ammo). I seldom used the kick, only when i was prompted to use it is when I would ever use it. I did use the suplex a lot, just because it looked cool, and the fact that it killed in one swift move. What would have been nice is if you could pick up one more melee weapon, like the axe or the picth forks the villagers dropped and been able to use it against them.
 
[quote name='sisco1986']The knife was only good for moments when you had no ammo or you didn't want to waste ammo (opening boxes ect.). It's a last resort weapon it's not a main weapon to use, considering these enemies can take a bullet to the face whats a knife supposed to do? I liked using it against them when they were on the ground after you shoot them in the knee, get a few swipes in and back off (saves on ammo). I seldom used the kick, only when i was prompted to use it is when I would ever use it. I did use the suplex a lot, just because it looked cool, and the fact that it killed in one swift move. What would have been nice is if you could pick up one more melee weapon, like the axe or the picth forks the villagers dropped and been able to use it against them.[/QUOTE]

SUPLEX?! Ditto on that.
 
Suplex Spoilers

For those that dont know about Suplex, this option only really happens with guys in Los Illuminatos(guys in robes). I would shoot out their legs and when they were getting back up it would usually pop up to perform a suplex. Sometimes when they would be comin up steps too. Just another reason why this game is so great. So much detail and many difference.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']Suplex Spoilers

For those that dont know about Suplex, this option only really happens with guys in Los Illuminatos(guys in robes). I would shoot out their legs and when they were getting back up it would usually pop up to perform a suplex. Sometimes when they would be comin up steps too. Just another reason why this game is so great. So much detail and many difference.[/QUOTE]

OMG teh 5|_|973X !

this is by far the sickets tidbit i've learned today!

thanks Ikohn4ever!
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']Suplex Spoilers

For those that dont know about Suplex, this option only really happens with guys in Los Illuminatos(guys in robes). I would shoot out their legs and when they were getting back up it would usually pop up to perform a suplex. Sometimes when they would be comin up steps too. Just another reason why this game is so great. So much detail and many difference.[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot. I did it one time last night before blasting through the first level again, and I was wondering why I couldn't perform it anymore.
 
Shoot them in the shin, they fall to their knees. Hit A, suplex. If you shoot above the knee they start limping and if you shoot the foot they fall over. If you shoot them in the leg while they are running, they fall over.

I used the knife a lot. I killed 80% of the monsters with only 1-2 bullets. One shot to the shin and then suplex, if they survived, I started stabbing them in the head.
 
The only thing I did with the knife was open boxes and kill people if they were lying on the ground to save ammo.
 
The knife is pretty much useless other than opening boxes/barrels.. etc.

On the other hand, the button moves are very powerful. Kick basically is like shutgun in close range, where it will knock away everybody close by. Suplex is one hit kill, but sometimes you will get those tentacle ones... so use wisely.

Best way to conserve ammo? Use handgun, shoot one time, during the pain animation, run up either do kick/suplex or do knife slice 2-3 times. 180 degree turn, run away, repeat. You can never run out of ammo this way. This does not work on tough enemies in the end of the game... but by that time if you are still running low on ammo... you should probably delete your save.
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']The knife is pretty much useless other than opening boxes/barrels.. etc.

On the other hand, the button moves are very powerful. Kick basically is like shutgun in close range, where it will knock away everybody close by. Suplex is one hit kill, but sometimes you will get those tentacle ones... so use wisely.

Best way to conserve ammo? Use handgun, shoot one time, during the pain animation, run up either do kick/suplex or do knife slice 2-3 times. 180 degree turn, run away, repeat. You can never run out of ammo this way. This does not work on tough enemies in the end of the game... but by that time if you are still running low on ammo... you should probably delete your save.[/QUOTE]

I was at point when I had no ammo (on the 2nd disk) what so ever, thats where running fast as hell comes in handy (not to mention luck). Don't delete your saves if your stuck on one part and you have no ammo, just try getting away, run like hell and try to find some. I spent about an hour just looking for ammo at one point since I had none (yeah I shoot anything that moves, sue me). I also have one rule, leave a magazine in your inventory (meaning what ever fills your handgun my black tail held 30 rounds) and pretend it's not even there, unless your back up into a corner don't bother using it, don't want to get totally cought with your pants down.
 
I think that all the moves in that game work really well together. I love being able to look badass by shooting people in the face/leg, kicking them to the ground and then knifing them while they're laying down. Save hella ammo (not that you need it), and it looks sweet. Also if you hit someone in the face with the knife, it stuns them like a shot would, making it useful.

Finally, I thought that since Leon had that knife fight with Krauser, it'd be logical to use it agains't him in the boss battle, and it worked great! Shoot him with the shotgun when he's close to stun him, and then knife him in the face! Took way shorter than pure using the gun.

Overall I think its good to have all those things in the game, if only for pure style, as well as a little functionality.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']I think that all the moves in that game work really well together. I love being able to look badass by shooting people in the face/leg, kicking them to the ground and then knifing them while they're laying down. .[/QUOTE]

yeah this is definitely the way to save ammo too. You get to knife about 2-3 times when enemies are on the ground.

I think capcom should really consider making basic malee attack punches or kicks. That should make the game more interesting. And the button triggering moves should be Leon take out a kinfe and cut their throat or something. I mean really, a kick shouldn't be as powerful as stabbin' ppl with knifes.
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']The knife is pretty much useless other than opening boxes/barrels.. etc.

On the other hand, the button moves are very powerful. Kick basically is like shutgun in close range, where it will knock away everybody close by. Suplex is one hit kill, but sometimes you will get those tentacle ones... so use wisely.

Best way to conserve ammo? Use handgun, shoot one time, during the pain animation, run up either do kick/suplex or do knife slice 2-3 times. 180 degree turn, run away, repeat. You can never run out of ammo this way. This does not work on tough enemies in the end of the game... but by that time if you are still running low on ammo... you should probably delete your save.[/QUOTE]

If you are up against only one or two enemies, it's pretty easy to kill them with only using the knife alone. Just swipe their face to make them back off, then cut their legs to make them fall on the ground and then start stabbing away.
 
the suplex will sometimes smash their heads for instant kill
i basically used the knife to open boxes and locks and slash a villager while hes on the floor
i find it too hard to try to get in close combat when they know how to step back and poke u
the kick is good for clearing a bunch of ppl
 
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