Reggie Announces Wii Rain Check Program - Pay now, get one in January

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I'm on the conference call now, will have audio available for download when it's done.

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Rain check program:
Pay GameStop $250 now and you are guaranteed to get a Wii sometime in January.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I'm on the conference call now, will have audio available for download when it's done.

Rain check program:
GameStop will take your order for $250 and you are guaranteed to get a Wii sometime in January.[/quote]

What're you sellin'... stranger?
 
[quote name='mega_n00bzer']when was the last time cheapy posted in the wii forum, if ever?[/quote]

7-11-2007 when Cheapy announced that he was featured in the Nintendo E3 press conference video.

To be fair, though, Cheapy rarely posts in any console specific forum.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Rain Check makes it sound likes its something new or different, or at least something thats not merely preordering out the next shipment.[/quote]

Wow. Get out of my head. I was about to post the same thing, practically verbatim.
 
I'm old enough to remember when they did this for Star Wars action figures.

Can't wait to hear the stories of the people who plunked down $250, and don't get theirs in January.
 
It sounds like the shortage may be expected to end in January, but they still want to get their Christmas sales. Now that the Wii shortage may be close to over, it is happening just in time to create extra supply for the new Wii Fit shortage around the corner.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']Yeah, your kid will be thrilled to open a Wii sized box with a piece of paper in it. Way to ruin Christmas, Mom![/quote]You're right. There would definitely need to be a temporary "filler" gift to bide the time. Only thing is, a $250 present is already so much. I can tell you one thing, If any of us kids had ever gotten a $250 item for Christmas, that would definitely have been the only thing we were getting. Kids these days...:lol:
 
[quote name='johnnypark']Given the demand, this strikes me as something that won't end well.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I don't understand how they'll be able to meet January demand PLUS December's demand before the end of January.

I am curious, though, as to why Wii production is supposed to be at 1.8 million/ month yet the sales numbers are only 650k/ month. Where are all those extra Wiis ?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Yes, I don't understand how they'll be able to meet January demand PLUS December's demand before the end of January.

I am curious, though, as to why Wii production is supposed to be at 1.8 million/ month yet the sales numbers are only 650k/ month. Where are all those extra Wiis ?[/quote]

eBay

:)
 
I can see this turning into a 360/PS3 pre-order fiasco. They take too many orders then some customers' orders slip until Feb. Unless Nintendo has a massive backlog of these puppies ready to ship right after the first of the year.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Yes, I don't understand how they'll be able to meet January demand PLUS December's demand before the end of January.

I am curious, though, as to why Wii production is supposed to be at 1.8 million/ month yet the sales numbers are only 650k/ month. Where are all those extra Wiis ?[/QUOTE]

Worldwide production and sales for US was 980k in November alone. And I dont think monthly production was 1.8 million I thought it was closer to 1 million.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Yes, I don't understand how they'll be able to meet January demand PLUS December's demand before the end of January.

I am curious, though, as to why Wii production is supposed to be at 1.8 million/ month yet the sales numbers are only 650k/ month. Where are all those extra Wiis ?[/quote]

I think it's worldwide production, and those are just US sales numbers.

And yeah... the only thing I can think of is to try and give people alternatives to paying $400 on Ebay. Waiting a month and saving $150 won't sound bad to too many people, at least until that month is over and they still don't get it.
 
[quote name='johnnypark']I think it's worldwide production, and those are just US sales numbers.

And yeah... the only thing I can think of is to try and give people alternatives to paying $400 on Ebay. Waiting a month and saving $150 won't sound bad to too many people, at least until that month is over and they still don't get it.[/QUOTE]

Yeaht thats fine and dandy till the rainchecks start being put up for sale on ebay!!!
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Yeaht thats fine and dandy till the rainchecks start being put up for sale on ebay!!![/quote]

I was waiting for someone to say that. I wonder how much one of those slips will go for lol.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Yes, I don't understand how they'll be able to meet January demand PLUS December's demand before the end of January.

I am curious, though, as to why Wii production is supposed to be at 1.8 million/ month yet the sales numbers are only 650k/ month. Where are all those extra Wiis ?[/quote]1.8M is worldwide numbers. 691k was sold in the last week alone, worldwide. According to VGchartz, from 11 Nov to 10 Dec the Wii sold 2,433,230 units worldwide. Obviously the 1.8M was a low end number Nintendo was shooting for. NPD numbers (North America only) show Wii sold through 981,000 units in the month of [November] on this continent alone. I don't know where you are getting this 650k number from.

I'm getting tired of all of this "artificial demand" crap. I hope this past month puts that all to rest. But I doubt it, since there will always be Nintendo haters that need to find something to complain about. Seriously, how many products in history have ever sold out from their worldwide launch until over a year later, supply is increased and they still sell out and sell through almost 2.5 million units in one month. All the conspiracy theorists need to realize there is only so much that can be done to meet demand. The Wii has averaged over 1.25 million sales a month since it's launch. This past month doubled that figure and it is still sold out.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']1.8M is worldwide numbers. 691k was sold in the last week alone, worldwide. According to VGchartz, from 11 Nov to 10 Dec the Wii sold 2,433,230 units worldwide. Obviously the 1.8M was a low end number Nintendo was shooting for. NPD numbers (North America only) show Wii sold through 981,000 units in the month of December on this continent alone. I don't know where you are getting this 650k number from.

I'm getting tired of all of this "artificial demand" crap. I hope this past month puts that all to resst. But I doubt it, since there will always be Nintendo haters that need to find something to complain about. Seriously, how many products in history have ever sold out from their worldwide launch until over a year later, supply is increased and they still sell out and sell through almost 2.5 million units in one month. All the conspiracy theorisrts need to realize there is only so much that can be done to meet demand. The Wii has averaged over 1.25 million sales a month since it's launch. This past month doubled that figure and it is still sold out.[/quote]

Lies! Nintendo can make as many Wiis as they want at any time with the "Magic Wii Making Button," from the same people who make the Staples Easy Button.
 
[quote name='kevlar51']Lies! Nintendo can make as many Wiis as they want at any time with the "Magic Wii Making Button," from the same people who make the Staples Easy Button.[/quote]Crap! Who told you? WHO TOLD YOU?!? Only us Wii fanboys are supposed to know about that!!!
 
[quote name='kevlar51']Lies! Nintendo can make as many Wiis as they want at any time with the "Magic Wii Making Button," from the same people who make the Staples Easy Button.[/QUOTE]

Now thats a picture I need to see.... you may have just come up with the new "it prints money" pic!!
 
Y'get awfully defensive without provocation, Morphiend.

Your selective mathematics ignores that Wiis have been manufactured since 7/2006, and at a conservative rate of 1 million per month (ignoring the recent ramping up), should have the worldwide number of consoles at over 18 million. Right? Right.

So there are (at the smallest estimate) 3 million Wiis unaccounted for in the market. So, either Nintendo is throttling their release into the market, or the most liberal market estimates are still, even now, underestimating the Wii.

Besides, you act like it's a personal affront for someone to suggest that Nintendo would do something like this to the market - as if they're all fuckin' gumballs and lollypops, and not a profit-hungry corporation, like everyone else out there. It's not a personal affront, it's something Nintendo has a history of doing. My mom must be a fuckin' ninja, since she always managed to wrangle me holiday copies of SMB2 and Adventure of Link back when "chip shortages" created unprecedented holiday demand. She was able to do the same thing with SMB3 when it came out as well.

And y'all are either young or forgetful, since you don't seem to recall how scarce the SNES and N64 were at their launches.

I bet Nintendo just wasn't able to keep up with demand then, either. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'get awfully defensive without provocation, Morphiend.

Your selective mathematics ignores that Wiis have been manufactured since 7/2006, and at a conservative rate of 1 million per month (ignoring the recent ramping up), should have the worldwide number of consoles at over 18 million. Right? Right.[/quote]
Japan stopped buying Wiis.
 
Raincheck slips can't be sold on eBay (well, it'd be dumb to buy one) as they will act the same way preorder slips do - they're only valid at the store you placed the order. So if someone in California pays someone in New York $600 for their raincheck slip, they are going to have a tough time picking it up in January.
 
[quote name='botticus']Raincheck slips can't be sold on eBay (well, it'd be dumb to buy one) as they will act the same way preorder slips do - they're only valid at the store you placed the order. So if someone in California pays someone in New York $600 for their raincheck slip, they are going to have a tough time picking it up in January.[/quote]

Craigslist.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
And y'all are either young or forgetful, since you don't seem to recall how scarce the SNES and N64 were at their launches.

I bet Nintendo just wasn't able to keep up with demand then, either. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yes and YES!

First year SNES came out, my parents Santa couldn't find it :( So I got a Sega Genesis that year! \\:D I got an SNES the following Christmas

The Christmas the N64 came out..I got a rain check in my stocking..:lol: I didn't get my N64 until March!! But that's ok because my parents Santa felt bad and gave me a whole bunch of other shit to make up for it!

I am very happy I got my Wii on launch. I still can't believe it's THIS hard to get one!! And to think..the few weeks prior to the launch, people were saying

"Ohhhh, don't worry about it! Nintendo said they shipped PLENTY of units! Plus, more people will be out trying to get the PS3"
 
Not a terrible idea. If I was in the market for one for myself (not for an x-mas gift obviously) I'd prefer that to checking ads, waiting in the cold early sunday mornings, using wii tracker sites etc.

That's all too much trouble to buy a game console. I got mine at launch buy waiting a bit over an hour on the day Gamestop to preorders. That's the most effort I was willing to put in. If I missed out I was just going to put my store credit toward a 360 instead.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
And y'all are either young or forgetful, since you don't seem to recall how scarce the SNES and N64 were at their launches.

I bet Nintendo just wasn't able to keep up with demand then, either. ;)[/QUOTE]

They were easy to find a year after launch though. Just scarce for 6 months or a little less, like pretty much every launch console from the SNES on.

Still not being able to find one 13 months after launch is unprecedented (unless that was the case with pre NES systems that were before my time).
 
It is nintendos fault that there aren't enough. Given how much monet they make from system sold, plus how much they are making on the ds there is no reason why they couldn't hire another factory to make them. They don't want to take the risk of them actually being on shelves because that could make it look like they aren't popular. They want to keep the wii looking like a hot product for as long as possible.

There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. I can't blame them for not wanting to spend extra money, but to say that there is nothing they can do is wrong.
 
[quote name='lilboo']And to think..the few weeks prior to the launch, people were saying

"Ohhhh, don't worry about it! Nintendo said they shipped PLENTY of units! Plus, more people will be out trying to get the PS3"[/quote]

I was one of them.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I was one of them.[/QUOTE]

We all were!!!
That's the fucked up part about all of this!! We were told that there will be PLENTY to go around..and we all reassured one another about it!

Everytime I go to a store, I really do find it hard to believe that the Wii is just NOT in stock.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I was one of them.[/QUOTE]

As was I. It was hard to see the Wii selling this well, after the GC not selling well (it was easy to find pretty damn soon after launch) and the Wii not having next gen graphics etc.

With that, and Nintendo saying they'd have plenty available, I thought it would do well, but I figured it would be pretty easy to find within 3-4 months after launch tops.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'get awfully defensive without provocation, Morphiend.

Your selective mathematics ignores that Wiis have been manufactured since 7/2006, and at a conservative rate of 1 million per month (ignoring the recent ramping up), should have the worldwide number of consoles at over 18 million. Right? Right.

So there are (at the smallest estimate) 3 million Wiis unaccounted for in the market. So, either Nintendo is throttling their release into the market, or the most liberal market estimates are still, even now, underestimating the Wii.

Besides, you act like it's a personal affront for someone to suggest that Nintendo would do something like this to the market - as if they're all fuckin' gumballs and lollypops, and not a profit-hungry corporation, like everyone else out there. It's not a personal affront, it's something Nintendo has a history of doing. My mom must be a fuckin' ninja, since she always managed to wrangle me holiday copies of SMB2 and Adventure of Link back when "chip shortages" created unprecedented holiday demand. She was able to do the same thing with SMB3 when it came out as well.

And y'all are either young or forgetful, since you don't seem to recall how scarce the SNES and N64 were at their launches.

I bet Nintendo just wasn't able to keep up with demand then, either. ;)[/quote]I was only speaking numbers, friend. The only thing I can see that may have come across as defensive is when I said I was sick of the conspiracy theorists and their fake demand ideas. And I am sick of it. I don't see how that is "defensive". You do make some good points. But Zen is right. From reports, the Wii sits on shelves in Japan. And furthermore, your theoretical numbers are just that, theoretical. We don't know what the real numbers of created units are. The closest thing we know is sales estimates. Also, you don't know how many were produced per month before launch or before the ramp up. But even considering that your numbers are spot on, that actually only leaves 1.7M units unaccounted for. And VGchartz are only sales estimates. There's a lot of room for error. There's a lot of factors you aren't even considering. And maybe you are right about a small backlog of units. But whoever said they would be producing 1.8 million new units per month? They said they would be increasing the shipments to that number, as I recall. Maybe they were saving up some units for the anticipated increased Christmas demand. But this idea has been gone over before many times. The problem with this idea of having a backlog is it is just unwise for Nintendo to do. What happens when demand drops off? What happens when you have a ton of units in a warehouse, not selling, as the prices of components for new units drops? It's the same problem created by the people who say, "Just open up another factory." Yeah, that's fine for now, but eventually Wii isn't going to be selling 2.5 million units in one month or even 1 million units in one month. Those extra factories are sunken costs at that point that soon become wasted costs. Any wise business is going to take into account the ramifications of extra, unnecessary costs over the long term. And having unused factories later in the console cycle, as well as having unused units on shells that are cheaper to produce two months later are just stupid, stupid ideas that no legitimate corporation would risk having huge losses over.

And though I may be a Nintendo Fanboy 4 Life, and despite my prior 1.5 generation hatred toward Sony (for shoddy products and business practices) and my silly sig picture (I think it's funny, what can I say?), Nintendo is not all I see out there. I actually have a PS3 and rather enjoy it a good degree more than I ever thought I would. It's funny, when I defend Sony's efforts this generation, no one ever accuses me of being a little too sympathetic towards them. I guess praising Nintendo automatically makes you on the defense for them...

But is that really so bad either? I have stock in Nintendo and it has increased 7-8x in the past couple of years. So I don't really feel bad whether you hate Nintendo or not.:lol:
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Yes, I don't understand how they'll be able to meet January demand PLUS December's demand before the end of January.

I am curious, though, as to why Wii production is supposed to be at 1.8 million/ month yet the sales numbers are only 650k/ month. Where are all those extra Wiis ?[/quote]

From what I read reggie said there will be tens of thousands of these rainchecks, so it will be limited to that number, not as many people show up at gamestop those two days.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']I was only speaking numbers, friend. The only thing I can see that may have come across as defensive is when I said I was sick of the conspiracy theorists and their fake demand ideas. And I am sick of it. I don't see how that is "defensive". You do make some good points. But Zen is right. From reports, the Wii sits on shelves in Japan. And furthermore, your theoretical numbers are just that, theoretical. We don't know what the real numbers of created units are. The closest thing we know is sales estimates. Also, you don't know how many were produced per month before launch or before the ramp up. But even considering that your numbers are spot on, that actually only leaves 1.7M units unaccounted for. And VGchartz are only sales estimates. There's a lot of room for error. There's a lot of factors you aren't even considering. And maybe you are right about a small backlog of units. But whoever said they would be producing 1.8 million new units per month? They said they would be increasing the shipments to that number, as I recall. Maybe they were saving up some units for the anticipated increased Christmas demand. But this idea has been gone over before many times. The problem with this idea of having a backlog is it is just unwise for Nintendo to do. What happens when demand drops off? What happens when you have a ton of units in a warehouse, not selling, as the prices of components for new units drops? It's the same problem created by the people who say, "Just open up another factory." Yeah, that's fine for now, but eventually Wii isn't going to be selling 2.5 million units in one month or even 1 million units in one month. Those extra factories are sunken costs at that point that soon become wasted costs. Any wise business is going to take into account the ramifications of extra, unnecessary costs over the long term. And having unused factories later in the console cycle, as well as having unused units on shells that are cheaper to produce two months later are just stupid, stupid ideas that no legitimate corporation would risk having huge losses over.

And though I may be a Nintendo Fanboy 4 Life, and despite my prior 1.5 generation hatred toward Sony (for shoddy products and business practices) and my silly sig picture (I think it's funny, what can I say?), Nintendo is not all I see out there. I actually have a PS3 and rather enjoy it a good degree more than I ever thought I would. It's funny, when I defend Sony's efforts this generation, no one ever accuses me of being a little too sympathetic towards them. I guess praising Nintendo automatically makes you on the defense for them...

But is that really so bad either? I have stock in Nintendo and it has increased 7-8x in the past couple of years. So I don't really feel bad whether you hate Nintendo or not.:lol:[/QUOTE]

Despite all this talk here, you accuse my numbers of being theoretical, yet fail to apply the same scrutiny to your own numbers (seeing as how we're both working with a suspect 1-1.8m manufactured per month).

And, despite all this talk there, there's no denying that Nintendo's conscious decision to not add a production facility has contributed to its scarceness. And that is providing a marketing bonanza that is more than worth a smattering of dissatisfied non-Wii consumers.

Man, this is just like last Christmas. The Wii is hot, people are gloating about it, and few can own it...I just hope for all of our sakes that the next year for the Wii does not resemble this one in terms of third party software. I'd prefer for history to not repeat itself in that regard.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Man, this is just like last Christmas. The Wii is hot, people are gloating about it, and few can own it...I just hope for all of our sakes that the next year for the Wii does not resemble this one in terms of third party software. I'd prefer for history to not repeat itself in that regard.[/quote]
It will. :(

It's clear that games don't sell on Wii unless they're made by Nintendo.
 
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Nintendo confirms Wiis to hit shelves this weekend
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Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils Aimes has confirmed that Best Buy and six other major retailers in North America will be stocking the Wii over the weekend. So, Best Buy, Kmart, Circuit City, Toys R Us, Sears, Target and Wal-Mart will be advertising the machine in their weekly circulars.
 
The big chains near my work all restocked last night or today. It was quite insane, especially at EB. Couldn't look at the 360 games because half of one shelf was blocked by packets, and the other half was blocked by women.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Despite all this talk here, you accuse my numbers of being theoretical, yet fail to apply the same scrutiny to your own numbers (seeing as how we're both working with a suspect 1-1.8m manufactured per month).[/quote]Actually, I did say the best we had to go on was sales estimates. And I thought I mentioned that I grabbed them from both VGchartz and NPD, both of which have proven pretty reliable. But I admit, they may not be 100% accurate.
[quote name='mykevermin']Man, this is just like last Christmas. The Wii is hot, people are gloating about it, and few can own it...[/quote]I hear you. I do agree it sucks. And I do think that Nintendo would rather demand continue. But I don't think it is all their supply chain's fault.
[quote name='mykevermin']I just hope for all of our sakes that the next year for the Wii does not resemble this one in terms of third party software. I'd prefer for history to not repeat itself in that regard.[/quote]I was hoping the demand would continue through this Christmas originally. And I do hope that it keeps it up, but I hope supplies somehow increase even more. And I do hope there is better third party support in the future, but that all depends upon Wii owners actually buying third party stuff and not waiting for clearance bins.

I don't think we have a lack of quality third party games on Wii. I think we have a lack of purchases of said items. I, for one, am having a blast with GHIII, MoH:H2, have Z&W still unplayed, and I have the likes of The Godfather and RE4 from earlier in the year on my shelf waiting to be gotten to. I don't understand this mentality that Wii has no good titles. I don't have time to get to all of the goos titles. But it could always be better.;)
 
Is this whole thing REALLY from Reggie & Nintendo, or is it another ploy from GameStop to push preorders/reserves on everyone.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']I'm getting tired of all of this "artificial demand" crap. I hope this past month puts that all to rest. But I doubt it, since there will always be Nintendo haters that need to find something to complain about. Seriously, how many products in history have ever sold out from their worldwide launch until over a year later, supply is increased and they still sell out and sell through almost 2.5 million units in one month. All the conspiracy theorists need to realize there is only so much that can be done to meet demand. The Wii has averaged over 1.25 million sales a month since it's launch. This past month doubled that figure and it is still sold out.[/QUOTE]

yeah.. it's crazy! A lot of my family lives around my area.. There's 9 households total! Of those, 3 have the wii, 4 want the wii, and 2 don't..

Of the 2 that don't.. One is my Uncle who once bought a sega genesis just for a golf game, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted a wii if he ever plays one. The other has my cousin whose shown casual interest in it.

And if the shortage is turning people off from getting a Wii, it doesn't increase their desire for it. atleast that's the case in my family.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']I don't think we have a lack of quality third party games on Wii. I think we have a lack of purchases of said items. I, for one, am having a blast with GHIII, MoH:H2, have Z&W still unplayed, and I have the likes of The Godfather and RE4 from earlier in the year on my shelf waiting to be gotten to. I don't understand this mentality that Wii has no good titles. I don't have time to get to all of the goos titles. But it could always be better.;)[/QUOTE]

Let me clarify: I never said there are no good third party titles on the Wii. I will say, however, that it suffers the same sort of ailment that the PSP has: far too few diamonds and far too much rough.

There are indeed very good third party Wii titles (I have, for instance, Trauma Center and MLB PowerPros), but you have to be a diligent consumer to find them. If you don't pay attention to the Wii market, where software is released in such a deluge, the majority of it being complete garbage - you'll come up with the perception that the Wii is only releasing garbage if the publisher isn't Nintendo.

So, it isn't so much "the Wii has no good third party games" as much as it is "there's so much junk coming out that I have neither the time nor the patience to wade through all this Ninjabread Man and Hannah Montana crap."

That's the last I'll say, though, since I'm getting way too far OT. I will say that I'm not convinced about Nintendo's idea here; surely demand is far higher in November and December, and weaker in January/February (the sales numbers show that, even). But since very few Wii systems, in the states, stay on the shelves for very long no matter the time of year, they'll not sating demand properly. They're more like the federal government borrowing $10 trillion in order to pay for the stuff they are funding today. In Nintendo's case, if demand remains constant, they'll be forced to increase production even more at some point.
 
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