Reggie - "Used games aren't in the customer interest"

[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']No company really sells used DVDs. You could put all the Blockbusters (whose primary function are rentals), FYEs and whatnot together and you wouldn't scratch to the 5900 stores in 17 countries that Gamestop has. You'd be lucky to have 20% of that.

In the case of books, halfpricebooks is the closest thing to a national B&M chain with 100 stores in 15 states.

Of course used games arent in the consumers' interest. This isnt even controversial. Not supporting the people who make the product is working against your own self interests as long as your self interests involve them continuing to make more games in the future.[/quote]


That's not saying used games are not in the best interest of gamers, that's saying used games are not in the best interest of the developers. The consumer gets money back on the selling side and cheaper games on the buying side. It's totally in their interest. The developer gets screwed .. and yeah in the long run some might go out of business because they're not getting money directly. But its up to them to figure out how to curb used sales until (if) it becomes outlawed. For the PS3 and 360 this is done through multiplayer and DLC. Reggie knows his platform doesn't have this option. Hence the statement about the evils of used games.
 
[quote name='Maklershed']That's not saying used games are not in the best interest of gamers, that's saying used games are not in the best interest of the developers. The consumer gets money back on the selling side and cheaper games on the buying side. It's totally in their interest. The developer gets screwed .. and yeah in the long run some might go out of business because they're not getting money directly. But its up to them to figure out how to curb used sales until (if) it becomes outlawed. For the PS3 and 360 this is done through multiplayer and DLC. Reggie knows his platform doesn't have this option. Hence the statement about the evils of used games.[/QUOTE]

DMK's argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That would be correctly pronouncing it, which would cease to be funny.

Cripes.[/quote]
Speak for yourself.
 
[quote name='ddp72984']maybe second-hand wouldn't be a problem if Nintendo started reprinting games/started Player's Choice programs for Wii and DS. Otherwise, people will continue to buy overpriced used copies of Wariowares, Excitetruck, and Tetris DS.[/quote]

Totally agree. Launch Wii games are still 50 bucks if they are even sold at all. Why spend all that money for a new copy of a 3 year old game when I could get it for less than half that if I look hard enough.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']You know what's funny is I used to hate that ancient guy who ran Nintendo "YOU WILL LOVE THIS GAME OR MY SAMURAI WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN!" but at least under him Nintendo concentrated on games.

This Hal guy may be a brilliant businessman, but... And what's weird is it should be the other way around. The Hal guy should be all about games, while the business guy would be the one who doesn't care if what they're selling is any good...but it's the reverse of that. Weird.[/QUOTE]

Yamauchi is a genius. Actually, you can pretty much trace Nintendo's fail of today with Yamauchi retiring. He made sure Nintendo actually cared about its core audience and would not take any shit from anyone.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Unless (until?) we go full digital. But that will be our own fault for allowing it to happen.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but I don't think anyone can stop it. Gamers have ridiculously low self control. Slap Link or Master Chief on a game that is download-or-nothin' in the next console generation and we're off to the all-digital races.
 
The flaw in this argument is that Reggie assumes that most of the people buying used games would buy new ones instead. The gaming business is already many times larger than it was in the days before the used game market. The more likely outcome of banning used game sales would be a gradual but drastic decline in the number of gamers, gaming would likely go back to being a niche hobby for geeks again. The only real way to combat the used game market and retain a customer base is to lower game prices, I dont see Reggie mentioning that.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']"[People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games."

- DoK Hiroshi Yamauchi[/QUOTE]

He was right for the most part, you know. :lol:
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Of course used games arent in the consumers' interest. This isnt even controversial. Not supporting the people who make the product is working against your own self interests as long as your self interests involve them continuing to make more games in the future.[/quote]

That's very true, but that's not the point that Reggie made. What you posted is what he should have said. Instead, his arguments didn't even make sense.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Of course used games arent in the consumers' interest. This isnt even controversial.[/QUOTE]

Of course that's controversial. As has been said many times already, many people would buy fewer games if they couldn't sell them, and many others wouldn't buy as many new games as used, or any at all.

There have been no studies proving that developers would come out ahead on this, so it's most certainly controversial at BEST.
 
[quote name='ddp72984']maybe second-hand wouldn't be a problem if Nintendo started reprinting games/started Player's Choice programs for Wii and DS. Otherwise, people will continue to buy overpriced used copies of Wariowares, Excitetruck, and Tetris DS.[/quote]
I agree, though Iwata has made it very clear that he doesn't like how games drop in price so I doubt it will happen.
As for Tetris DS I would imagine the reason it doesn't get a reprint when it would likely nearly do Mario Kart DS/New Super Mario Bros type of monthly sales is because Nintendo no longer has the rights to make a Tetris game. There's just no other reason they would stop making it.
 
That or they don't want sales of the first iterations of the games to get in the way of the inevitable sequels. Which is swell and all, but Nintendo has a nasty habit of holding off on sequels until the next console. Save for a odd Metroid or Zelda sequel here or there.

What's with all this love of the old Japanese dude / hate for the new guy? If we (gamers) as a community we more supportive of Nintendo we wouldn't be stuck with the Wii and it's inevitable impact on Video Games on a whole. If it wasn't for the Wii, Nintendo would likely be done for and the VG industry as a whole would start to whittle away and die. We failed Nintendo, forcing a change in how things are done. We are responsible for the Wii, DS and the entire casual gaming movement. Whether directly or indirectly.

Also, Reggie was never cool. The (now seemingly dead) Nintendo fan boys were the ones praising him.
 
Can't agree with that at all. Nintendo failed gamers, not the other way around. I had an NES, Gameboy, SNES, GBA, N64, GC DS, DS Lite and bought nearly all the big franchise games and the few third party games worth playing on the latter consoles. I even bought a Wii and had it for a year before giving up on it.

Nintendo failed gamers by being stubborn and wanting to do their own thing and being greedy and wanting to keep licensing fees high. Thus they missed a chance to partner with Sony and compounded that by sticking with cartridges to keep licensing fees up and that resulted in driving away third parties who never came back. Thus the N64 lost the battle and the GC did even worse.

Yes, they've rebuild themselves going after kids, casual gamers and non-gamers and are making a ton of money. But they're pretty much irrelvant to most games (outside of die hard Nintendo franchise fans) who have long moved on to the Sony and/or MS machines, online gaming, HD graphics, and genres like FPS, WRPGs, sports, racing sims etc. that have been severely lacking on Nintendo's consoles.
 
This is an interesting statement... But I don't think Reggie really said anything to back it up. Really, what is in the "customer's interest?" I think there are 2 things:
1. Good, quality games.
2. Good prices.

I'm not sure how used game sales would affect those 2 points either way. My gut feeling is that it's negative, but who knows?
 
As an owner of a Play N Trade videogame store, I actually sort of understand what he is trying to say.

1. Games need better value and want to make you keep it longer and I don't mean just with DLC. Nintendo has done a good/bad job with this. It is why Nintendo games keep their value, people want them. But on the other hand they have done very little on the Wii that is of superb value.

2. Stores that look at Gamestop and think they will just copy them, it is much harder than it looks. Used games is like something entirely new. It would be like Best Buy deciding to sell cars.
 
As a consumer I know one thing :

I have not bought any xbox live points. No wii points, no PSN points. Why...because their download games are a ripoff. It's a blatant way to force people to pay ridiculous prices for their software because there is no other options out there (AKA Used or retail competition.)

This more or less is an under the table act of price fixing.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']That or they don't want sales of the first iterations of the games to get in the way of the inevitable sequels. Which is swell and all, but Nintendo has a nasty habit of holding off on sequels until the next console. Save for a odd Metroid or Zelda sequel here or there.
[/quote]
I don't mind that for some franchises, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers would be a lot less special if Nintendo released 2 or 3 of them on a console. I would like to see 2 Mario platformers per system though. Hopefully we'll get Super Mario Galaxy 2 on the Wii.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']As a consumer I know one thing :

I have not bought any xbox live points. No wii points, no PSN points. Why...because their download games are a ripoff. It's a blatant way to force people to pay ridiculous prices for their software because there is no other options out there (AKA Used or retail competition.)

This more or less is an under the table act of price fixing.[/quote]

Do you honestly think that stuff like Noby Noby boy would stand a chance at retail?
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Of course used games arent in the consumers' interest. This isnt even controversial. Not supporting the people who make the product is working against your own self interests as long as your self interests involve them continuing to make more games in the future.[/QUOTE]

That's ridiculous. What's in the consumers' best interest is getting the best experience for the cheapest price. Used games enable that.

It makes things tougher for developers, but that's just too bad.
 
He's never heard of EB trade in promos where you buy a game used, beat it, then quickly trade X amount of games and get a new release.
And, besides, most of the games really worth buying are bought new at release. Used games are only bought cause they weren't worth buying on day 1 but still decent enough to play through. If it makes it tough for developers, good. People buy good games new at release...those who make crappy games will be forced to work harder and compete in a market that requires quality.
 
Wait, Reggie was cool? He always seemed like a lame ass to me. In a lot of the interviews I've seen of him he just comes off like an arrogant douchebag. I never liked the guy.

Used games are great. Unless Best Buy, Target, etc start permanently stocking every single game that gets released, the used market is often the only way to pick up a game sometimes.
 
Here's what I think... Reggie has a point, Used games aren't in the consumer interest. The Nintendo consumer is more than likely a "NEW" customer. Nintendo doesn't get that much return customers. The fact that they're getting new customers is evident by the fact that, Wii Play is almost always in the top 10 monthly game sales. That's a purchase that a NEW customer is make.. not a returning ones. SO if you have a new customer picking up a NEW Wii, or a new DS... they aren't going to be very interested in Used games... at that moment. They're going to be focused on new games (and products).
 
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