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Ohio Republican Jean Schmidt apologized Tuesday for her sharp comments about a fellow congressman's call to immediately pull troops from Iraq, which caused a furor in the U.S. House.
Schmidt was booed off the House floor Friday after she criticized Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., saying that "cowards cut and run, Marines never do."
When Schmidt made the comment, Democrats rose in protest at the suggestion that Murtha, a decorated Vietnam veteran and the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, was a coward.
Schmidt said the comment came from a conversation with state Rep. Danny Bubp.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1339193

Are Republicans going to just start spitting on war veterans soon?

I can't believe she thought that her excuse of quoting another hypocrite Republican would work.
 
[quote name='camoor']http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1339193

Are Republicans going to just start spitting on war veterans soon?

I can't believe she thought that her excuse of quoting another hypocrite Republican would work.[/QUOTE]

The best part is the guy she claimed to have talked to said he never said anything of the sort. She's an awesome crone. She's the one who trash talked the Iraq Vet. she ran against to win her congressional seat last year, she's a total class act. She will provide us all with years of comedy.
 
Before you criticize people questioning Congressman Murtha?

Look up who the "Hero of Saratoga" was and then get back to us. You'll see that prior military heroism does not predict future behavior. Oh, and when you're done with that? Do a quick biographical search on Marshall Petain. Also noted for incredible military service to his country at one point of his life.

There's a saying in investing that is true of military duty and heroism. Past performance does not guarantee future results.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Before you criticize people questioning Congressman Murtha?

Look up who the "Hero of Saratoga" was and then get back to us. You'll see that prior military heroism does not predict future behavior. Oh, and when you're done with that? Do a quick biographical search on Marshall Petain. Also noted for incredible military service to his country at one point of his life.

There's a saying in investing that is true of military duty and heroism. Past performance does not guarantee future results.[/QUOTE]

Marshal (Philippe) Pétain turned over part of France to the Nazis. Horatio Gates (the Hero of Saratoga) won a battle, then lost a huge one. He may also have been involved in some other seedy activities. (Wikipedia FTW!)

These examples are hardly comparable to John Murtha calling for a withdrawal of troops from Iraq. His actions would in no way be directly responsible for any future pullout, anyway, as the House, Senate, and President would all have to agree to his plan. You have also not proven why he is a coward.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Before you criticize people questioning Congressman Murtha?

Look up who the "Hero of Saratoga" was and then get back to us. You'll see that prior military heroism does not predict future behavior. Oh, and when you're done with that? Do a quick biographical search on Marshall Petain. Also noted for incredible military service to his country at one point of his life.

There's a saying in investing that is true of military duty and heroism. Past performance does not guarantee future results.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that serving in the military makes you bulletproof, this isn't Ancient Rome.

Jean Schmidt made Murtha's military background an issue when she strongly implied that Murtha was not a true marine. I see nothing in Murtha's military record that implies he ever acted as a traitor, coward, or manner ill-befitting a marine. Heck, even a simple listing of his medals is impressive - American Spirit Honor Medal, Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts, the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, and the Navy Distinguished Service Medal.

You can disagree with his current stance on the war (and incidentally I do - it's too extreme, IMO we need to pull out in a more gradual fashion) - but Schmidt's stance that anti-war veterans are not true soldiers should offend any citizen - especially those who have spilt blood protecting this great land.
 
The Hero of Saratoga was General Benedict Arnold I wasn't referring to Gates though on a google his name was the first listing, though not the military history "right" one.

Hey, there comes a time and a place when military service doesn't make you bulletproof. I don't think John Murtha is a coward or traitor. I do however think his stance and words are ill advised. Personally I believe that too many in the liberal wing of the Democratic party (Supporters mostly, not Congresscritters.) have been campaigning ex-military Democrats and just brow beat them with this stuff of pulling out.

It would cost as much, if not more, to keep a MEU(SOC) "over the horizon" than in country. Not to mention the degraded quality of life for those Marines to live 24/7/475 on LPD's or on Diego Garcia. It's entirely possible to pull American forces into established bases and perimiters and not have them running constant patrols and convoy operations to cut casualties and fatalities substantially. If the Iraqi's are capable of taking the responsibility of course.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The Hero of Saratoga was General Benedict Arnold I wasn't referring to Gates though on a google his name was the first listing, though not the military history "right" one.

Hey, there comes a time and a place when military service doesn't make you bulletproof. I don't think John Murtha is a coward or traitor. I do however think his stance and words are ill advised. Personally I believe that too many in the liberal wing of the Democratic party (Supporters mostly, not Congresscritters.) have been campaigning ex-military Democrats and just brow beat them with this stuff of pulling out.

It would cost as much, if not more, to keep a MEU(SOC) "over the horizon" than in country. Not to mention the degraded quality of life for those Marines to live 24/7/475 on LPD's or on Diego Garcia. It's entirely possible to pull American forces into established bases and perimiters and not have them running constant patrols and convoy operations to cut casualties and fatalities substantially. If the Iraqi's are capable of taking the responsibility of course.[/QUOTE]

Pad you quoted an article that said:
The traitor, Democratic Rep. John P. Murtha, agrees 100% with Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al Zarqawi that the Marine Corps, which is mangling the enemy on a daily basis in Iraq and suffering comparatively light casualties, should lay down its arms, call it quits, and abandon the people they are defending in the fledgling democracy of Iraq.
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To which you added:

Just a note from me on this, since I agree with the guy,
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Oh, and an odd thing about Arnold is that he regretted his action. It was not a matter of personal opinion that caused him to betray americans, but greed. He was in financial trouble and did not feel respected by his superiors. He is not a good person to compare murtha with (if you think he's a traitor) since he never had an ideological reason to betray america, it was pure selfishness. In his later years he would often put on his american uniform and walk around his home with it.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Oh, and an odd thing about Arnold is that he regretted his action. It was not a matter of personal opinion that caused him to betray americans, but greed. He was in financial trouble and did not feel respected by his superiors. He is not a good person to compare murtha with (if you think he's a traitor) since he never had an ideological reason to betray america, it was pure selfishness. In his later years he would often put on his american uniform and walk around his home with it.[/QUOTE]

Now, Oliver North, there's a true, current day, All-American traitor that did it all for the money!
 
>>Arnold may have regretted it since he was caught. However.... they still hung him.

Benedict Arnold wasnt caught or hung.
 
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Oh, and an odd thing about Arnold is that he regretted his action. It was not a matter of personal opinion that caused him to betray americans, but greed. He was in financial trouble and did not feel respected by his superiors. He is not a good person to compare murtha with (if you think he's a traitor) since he never had an ideological reason to betray america, it was pure selfishness. In his later years he would often put on his american uniform and walk around his home with it.[/QUOTE]

Well it was aresentment for the Ameican Congress and the feeling he'd been passed over that makes it rather personal. He was also opposed to being allied with France, which the American Army did anyway. So technically his personal opinions were ultimately involved in his betrayal plot adn his service for the British army. However, those opinions were not really based on any kind of values or principal, like you say ultimately they were nothing like Murtha's opiions.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Arnold may have regretted it since he was caught. However.... they still hung him.[/QUOTE]

Uhhhhh........... Arnold lived out his days in London, scorned by both americans and british. He was buried in his american uniforn. He was never caught.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Arnold may have regretted it since he was caught. However.... they still hung him.[/QUOTE]
*hanged. But you're still wrong.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Before you criticize people questioning Congressman Murtha?

Look up who the "Hero of Saratoga" was and then get back to us. You'll see that prior military heroism does not predict future behavior. Oh, and when you're done with that? Do a quick biographical search on Marshall Petain. Also noted for incredible military service to his country at one point of his life.

There's a saying in investing that is true of military duty and heroism. Past performance does not guarantee future results.[/QUOTE]

Quick, talk about something vaguely related to try and divert the discussion away from the original question! Now mention something about Clinton and blowjobs!

Why is this an acceptable debate tactic?

Schmidt sucks for calling Murtha a coward. I loved hearing her get booed until she was unable to continue speaking.
 
[quote name='b0bx13']*hanged. But you're still wrong.[/QUOTE]


Another typographical zing, PAD, back to the drawing board? Maybe elementary language arts?
 
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