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Who are you going to vote for in November?
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I was hoping for more of a kind of 'superthread' with banners and gif warz with an 'epic meltdown about halfway through. Thread title misleading, etc.

Oh, and what depascal said.
 
[quote name='Clak']Damn, Glen Beck really is an idiot.[/QUOTE]

But he considered killing Michael Moore, he can't be that dumb. He'd be my hero if he actually did it. :drool:

Also, first time voting this year. :D I'll be voting for only new candidates (no incumbents), and people that I actually like (not just the lesser of two evils).
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']But he considered killing Michael Moore, he can't be that dumb. He'd be my hero if he actually did it. :drool:

Also, first time voting this year. :D I'll be voting for only new candidates (no incumbents), and people that I actually like (not just the lesser of two evils).[/QUOTE]

You do realize that the new politicians will do the same exact crap that the incumbents will right?
 
I really wish they'd put a 'none of the above' option for each office on every ballot in America. Give people who are sick and tired of the same old crap a voice to speak out with.

But then again you would have all of the already brainwashed who vote for the same numbskulls year in and year out vote those same shmucks back into office while the rest of us were 'making a statement' by voting none of the above.
 
A none of the above option is lazy and wasteful. It is in my opinion a step below not voting, because not only are you not fulfilling your democratic duty and constitutional right, your basically saying that you do not care about the leadership in your country and that you are not only resentful to the candidates, but also the country itself. Like work voting sucks, you need to find a candidate, support him and hope for the best. To do any less is not a statement, it is merely laziness and the will to not improve society.

I will probably vote democrat in the upcoming election, other than water rights, most candidates are towing the anti/pro obama line.
 
Its a real shame people vote for parties. Thats a big part of why were so messed up and government is so unbalanced because of parties. There should be no parties in the government. No democrats, no republicans, no nothing.

The government should be people serving the best interest of the people. You cant have that when you have two parties that oppose eachother and share different views and will often oppose a good idea of another party simply because they are of another party.

People with one train of thought or a certain set of ideals can not effectively govern anything. Its why nothing is ever done effectively, because its people split up instead of people working together with the same goals in mind.

Politicians should be open minded and willing to consider all possibilities, not just the one that suits their personal ideals. When you have like 500 people ruling millions and making as much money as they do they should be able to distance themselves from their own beliefs and be able to see the big picture.

Ill never vote for a party because thats horseshit. It may have worked back in the day but not anymore.

There also shouldnt be conservatives or liberals in the government, there shouldnt be religion in the government either while Im at it. Their one and only sole purpose should be to serve the people and their country doing whats best for it and you cant do that if you got them all splitting up, taking sides and arguinging their points of view.
 
It's kind of funny here, in the race for Governor, the Democrat ran unopposed. Only the republicans actually had a choice in candidates.
 
[quote name='cindersphere']A none of the above option is lazy and wasteful. It is in my opinion a step below not voting, because not only are you not fulfilling your democratic duty and constitutional right, your basically saying that you do not care about the leadership in your country and that you are not only resentful to the candidates, but also the country itself. Like work voting sucks, you need to find a candidate, support him and hope for the best. To do any less is not a statement, it is merely laziness and the will to not improve society.

I will probably vote democrat in the upcoming election, other than water rights, most candidates are towing the anti/pro obama line.[/QUOTE]
I'm just sick of the two party system in general and sick of the fact that many members of Congress seem to be more interested in lining their pockets with money from their salaries and kickbacks/perks from special interests than having the good of the American public(who elected them) at heart when they vote.

Moreover, I'm sick of seeing how such and such senator or rep has made a career out of being in Congress. One term and done is how I decide who to vote for in an election. If the candidate opposing the entrenched congressman hasn't said anything that really moves me to vote for them, then that race receives a 'none of the above' or Mickey Mouse vote.

I refuse to vote for someone solely because they are not the current incumbent.
 
Who will you vote for?

-Corrupt Assholes
-Incompetent Retards
-Dudes Who'll Lose No Matter What

Oh, and all of them want to censor video games. :whistle2:(

What a world.
 
"I say vote for "None of the above.". No, I'm not running, I just want people to vote for "None Of the Above", because frankly, they're all full of shit.".

Who wouldn't love to hear about Michael Moore being killed?! ;-P But seriously folks, he's what you don't want on either side representing you. He doctors his documentaries to slant it to his pov. It would be one thing for it to turn out that way naturally but with Moore's "Documentaries", Goebbels would be proud. I suspect he didn't have to do anything with "Sicko" though.
Moore is also a shameless media whore.
Breitbart is likely the Republican/Conservative version of Moore, he just hasn't made a documentary yet.

edit: "Think about it people. Where's a place where the streets are paved with gold?". "No man, he's talking about Congress.". "The Distinguished Gentlemen"
 
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[quote name='xxDOYLExx']the king/beck gif is pretty disingenuous.[/QUOTE]

what, and the others aren't?

Calling the right wing Nazis?

Or claiming W. drove the economy into the ditch when we've had a democratic congress since 2006. Note, the congress sets the budget, taxes, finance, trade and commerce, borrows money, etc.

And I don't even get the Limbaugh vid. You can get a vid/pic of anyone looking weird.
 
Ehhh both Bush and Obama are Fascists, I think that's clear as day tivo.

Also I think Washington had it spot on when he wanted NO Political parties. One only wonders why a man as smart as Jefferson wanted them. Maybe he had a brainfart at the time or something.
 
[quote name='tivo']what, and the others aren't?

Calling the right wing Nazis?

Or claiming W. drove the economy into the ditch when we've had a democratic congress since 2006. Note, the congress sets the budget, taxes, finance, trade and commerce, borrows money, etc.

And I don't even get the Limbaugh vid. You can get a vid/pic of anyone looking weird.[/QUOTE]

I'm not quick to blame Bush for driving the economy into the ground, as he largely continued the corporatist-MIC friendly policies/practices our wise overlords have been perpetuating for decades (he was at the wheel when it came tumbling down, though), but seriously? Blaming a democratic congress that was in session for like 18 months when the s hit the fan?

That's reaching.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']He doctors his documentaries to slant it to his pov.[/QUOTE]

SPOILER ALERT

All documentaries have a slant and are slightly twisted to fit what the filmmaker is trying to get across.

[quote name='tivo']And I don't even get the Limbaugh vid. You can get a vid/pic of anyone looking weird.[/QUOTE]

SPOILER ALERT PART 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

Rush was saying that Michael J Fox was playing up his illness in a commercial for sympathy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o6yrdInw6s

And yes I know OH GOD KEITH OLBERMANN but it was the first video I could find with footage of the gif in context. You can stop watching at the 2:40 mark
 
I don't know Sporadic. I think I could do a documentary on "Monsanto" and be fair and the evidence would speak for itself, see: soundly condemn them.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I don't know Sporadic. I think I could do a documentary on "Monsanto" and be fair and the evidence would speak for itself, see: soundly condemn them.[/QUOTE]

Documentaries are crafted out of massive amounts of footage by a small group of people or a single person. It is impossible for a documentary to be 100% fair since it is sculpted in editing by that person (or people). The best documentaries are able to hide the slant (or fabrication), make you not even realize it is there.

I'm not a fan of Moore's (I liked Capitalism: A Love Story/Roger & Me, didn't like Sicko/Canadian Bacon ;)) but his style is extremely blunt. He tries to guess what you will think while watching and kick the legs out from under it so you fall on his side.

I highly recommend you watch Capturing Reality: The Art Of Documentary if you have Netflix (it is available on their streaming section)

http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Captur...b34dd_0_srl&strkid=835072454_0_0&trkid=222336
 
The thing about "Roger and Me" is that the head of GM ignoring him when he asked that question was completely fabricated.
There's a documentary where this Canadian woman is doing a documentary on Moore and they find the sound producer or something of that movie. He has the sound tape of that, where Moore confronts him in the shareholder meeting, and Roger responds back. The tape is played even. Moore had the nerve to try asking the guy to erase it.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']The thing about "Roger and Me" is that the head of GM ignoring him when he asked that question was completely fabricated.
There's a documentary where this Canadian woman is doing a documentary on Moore and they find the sound producer or something of that movie. He has the sound tape of that, where Moore confronts him in the shareholder meeting, and Roger responds back. The tape is played even. Moore had the nerve to try asking the guy to erase it.[/QUOTE]

You would be surprised how much that type of thing happens in documentaries. That's why I brought up that movie on Netflix.

PS. That documentary you mentioned was wrong.

[quote name='imdb']In the film, it is suggested that the subject of the documentary, Roger B. Smith, was not available for commentary, despite several attempts. Years later, the documentary Manufacturing Dissent: Uncovering Michael Moore (2007) alleges that Michael Moore did speak with Roger B. Smith twice in 1987 (at General Motors' shareholders meeting) and 1988 (at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York), but Michael Moore didn't put that footage in Roger & Me (1989). However, even Roger B. Smith himself said in a 1990 interview with Los Angeles Times that he had never stayed at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York. Michael Moore himself also denied this allegation to Associated Press: Moore said that he did speak with Roger Smith at the 1987 shareholders' meeting, but that was before he started working on Roger & Me (1989) and the conversation had nothing to do with the film.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='cindersphere']A none of the above option is lazy and wasteful. It is in my opinion a step below not voting, because not only are you not fulfilling your democratic duty and constitutional right, your basically saying that you do not care about the leadership in your country and that you are not only resentful to the candidates, but also the country itself. Like work voting sucks, you need to find a candidate, support him and hope for the best. To do any less is not a statement, it is merely laziness and the will to not improve society.

I will probably vote democrat in the upcoming election, other than water rights, most candidates are towing the anti/pro obama line.[/QUOTE]

A vote of "no confidence" is strong and effective. I don't know too much but from what I understand, it is used in other countries and causes a crisis of gov't, etc which sets off new elections or other measures.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']The thing about "Roger and Me" is that the head of GM ignoring him when he asked that question was completely fabricated.
There's a documentary where this Canadian woman is doing a documentary on Moore and they find the sound producer or something of that movie. He has the sound tape of that, where Moore confronts him in the shareholder meeting, and Roger responds back. The tape is played even. Moore had the nerve to try asking the guy to erase it.[/QUOTE]

Interesting to see that you bring up a right-wing sorry ass attempt to discredit a good man like Michael Moore who actually brings light to issues that affect the average American. Fabrication is not uncommon amongst the right-wing because they cannot intellectually refute opposing arguments. As for fabrication, all I need to point out are the recent Shirley Sherrod incident and the ACORN fabrication (which was proven in court to be but of course, you don't see the mainstream media covering the aftermath).
 
[quote name='tivo']Or claiming W. drove the economy into the ditch when we've had a democratic congress since 2006. Note, the congress sets the budget, taxes, finance, trade and commerce, borrows money, etc.[/QUOTE]

Since 2007; give me some legislation enacted by the 110th Congress that drove the economy into the ditch.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Since 2007; give me some legislation enacted by the 110th Congress that drove the economy into the ditch.[/QUOTE]

You won't get an answer, he won't try and couldn't make an actual reply even if he did.

How much do you want to bet tivo makes less than 10 bucks an hour?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Documentaries are crafted out of massive amounts of footage by a small group of people or a single person. It is impossible for a documentary to be 100% fair since it is sculpted in editing by that person (or people). The best documentaries are able to hide the slant (or fabrication), make you not even realize it is there.

I'm not a fan of Moore's (I liked Capitalism: A Love Story/Roger & Me, didn't like Sicko/Canadian Bacon ;)) but his style is extremely blunt. He tries to guess what you will think while watching and kick the legs out from under it so you fall on his side.

I highly recommend you watch Capturing Reality: The Art Of Documentary if you have Netflix (it is available on their streaming section)

http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Captur...b34dd_0_srl&strkid=835072454_0_0&trkid=222336[/QUOTE]What, how can you not like Canadian Bacon? The scene with Dan Akyroyd as the motorcycle cop was hilarious.
 
Wow!!!! Way to gloss over my Breitbart comment joeboo.

I'm evenhanded. I give shit to both sides when they deserve it, just like Lynn Samuels.
 
I don't vote for parties. I vote for whoever I think will do the best job. Sometimes it is Democrat, sometimes its is Republican. I would prefer it to be independant just because the two party system is toxic though.
 
I was just going to post a thread called something like "Do you prefer a drano enema or felatio from an alligator".

There is a good chance that if I do it can end up merged with this one.
 
I have always been fond of the south park giant douche or turd sandwich satire... But, i am still going to vote. Heres a quote why :D

"I think people for the most part have been tricked into thinking that their vote doesn't count, and it actually does. Their voice counts. All of those things count. You need to make sure you pay attention to those things that affects you directly. If you don't vote you are giving up your right to direct how you're manipulated...."
--- Maynard James Keenan----

I'm not voting for parties though, i will pick who i agree with, but it's hard to find good insight on a candidates values, so i will probably only be able to look up a few races and i will leave the others blank.
 
I voted last time, but I didn't and still don't feel like my vote counted for anything. The 2000 election proved that the popular vote is nothing more than a census, it's a survey of who we'd like to see win, that's it. I don't want to turn this into an argument regarding the electoral college, but to say our vote ultimately counts I think is incorrect.
 
I will blindly vote for a party and base my decisions on their tv ads while believing their funded by groups that care or I will choose not to vote and let others decide what is best for me... :whee: edit: Clak this wasn't in response to you but in general, I hadn't read your comment yet. While I do agree with you, don't give up the fight.

[quote name='depascal22']You do realize that the new politicians will do the same exact crap that the incumbents will right?[/QUOTE]

I will also be looking for new blood. I figure the longer you're in the cesspool the more toxic you become even if you're wearing a suit.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']A vote of "no confidence" is strong and effective. I don't know too much but from what I understand, it is used in other countries and causes a crisis of gov't, etc which sets off new elections or other measures.[/QUOTE]
"Confidence votes" are done in parliament (think "congress", except the head of government and his ministers - your secretaries, I guess - all get votes, too). If the government side fails, it is considered a vote of non-confidence. An election generally occurs after this, though in Canada we nearly had a case not too long ago where three opposition parties attempted to bring down the government via a non-confidence vote and take power directly without an election.

The governor general (head of state, but not head of government) said no dice.

Confidence votes can be put forward by opposition parties, though as a rule, all budgets are confidence votes.
 
American politics is rather boring. The closest we've ever gotten to some of the videos of British parliament I've seen was when Dick Cheney said "go fuck yourself". Then again, Anthony Weiner puts on a good show too sometimes.
 
[quote name='J7.']I will also be looking for new blood. I figure the longer you're in the cesspool the more toxic you become even if you're wearing a suit.[/QUOTE]


The problem is that they get so frustrated with the system that they play ball or get out of politics period. We need a complete reshuffling of the deck to get real results.

I'm outta here before Bob comes in and says I have political power envy.
 
[quote name='depascal22']The problem is that they get so frustrated with the system that they play ball or get out of politics period. We need a complete reshuffling of the deck to get real results.

I'm outta here before Bob comes in and says I have political power envy.[/QUOTE]

You're right. It's my short term solution.
 
[quote name='Clak']American politics is rather boring. The closest we've ever gotten to some of the videos of British parliament I've seen was when Dick Cheney said "go fuck yourself". Then again, Anthony Weiner puts on a good show too sometimes.[/QUOTE]

Meh, I like Weiner, but I think he's just doing it to look good when he runs for Mayor of New York. I didn't see him on TV a whole lot until recently, when it was widely thought he'd try to go against Bloomberg in 2009.

I definitely appreciate the zeal he shows in defending progressive policy, but I don't think he did it until recently (might be wrong about this, feel free to show otherwise).
 
I have no idea, I only know of him for similar reasons. I just know that his explosive rants are probably the closest I've seen to this in American politics.
 
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