Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D - $39.99 w/free $10 Gift Card at BB

[quote name='ssjmichael']I don't really buy it. You can definitely reset/overwrite data from a 3DS cartridge[/QUOTE]

Yeah. If they can write a value of "1" to your save file to signify that you've unlocked a particular gun, what in the 3DS's design would prevent them from writing a value of "0" to lock it again?
 
[quote name='ravens52bears54']Well, considering that you can't reset the game game at all and you only have ONE save file I'd say that is a big problem. What if your friend wants to borrow the game? Brother, sister? Nope. The only thing they can do is continue your progress. So if you have played everything and unlocked everything then they are S.O.L.[/QUOTE]
This is getting really fucking old... If they're SOL explain how they're SOL in an Arcade game?

Story? Zero
Unlockables? Minimal
Medals? Most people complain trophies/achievements are pointless so dont claim it is now.
Content locked out? Nothing

At most your sister, brother, friend, gay lover, or parents beat your high score... Oh yeah lets all stop buying capcom games because theres no point in doing what someone else has done.
 
[quote name='Shinpachi']I'm failing to see how it's low for them to alter their software to stop accommodating a business that directly competes with them using their own products? Some of you are acting like the used game market doesn't greatly affect their sales, or maybe you're forgetting that this is a business like any other where profitability is the first priority.

I'd really appreciate it if the next person to say it's low could elaborate on how it's at all bad for anyone but GameStop, aside from the inconvenience that it creates for consumers that usually sell their games now having to wait for a price drop to end up with a similar cost to themselves (though in a perfect world, eliminating the used game market would result in lower prices on games from the get-go).[/QUOTE]

How about gamefly customers? People who trade games on goozex? Or here? Or how about in a year when the game becomes harder to find new?
 
[quote name='admiralvic']. Oh yeah lets all stop buying capcom games because theres no point in doing what someone else has done.[/QUOTE]

Just two of the things this game and your sister have in common :bouncy:
 
I do not reccomend every buying this game no matter how cheap simply because capcom locked it so you only get one save file and it can not be deleted, ever. You cant delete a save, change it or overwrite it.


[quote name='ssjmichael']I don't really buy it. You can definitely reset/overwrite data from a 3DS cartridge. I don't think they did it to screw over the resale market, I just think their devs for the game are fucking retarded[/QUOTE]

You dont understand, the save file is the cartidge. It is not traditiionaly saved. Capcom said the save rewrites the cart itself. You cant delete it or reset it.
 
[quote name='lunker']Wait, definitely? Are you in the U.S.?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Maybe it's different in other areas.

[quote name='admiralvic']Odd I bought at gamestop and was not informed.[/QUOTE]

It's possible this guy didn't know what he was talking about, but considering the used game values on this are pretty low in Japan, I would not be surprised if this is the truth. From what he said, Gamestop had only just heard about it today or yesterday and made the decision. It might be interesting to see if other stores give a similar answer.

My guess is that it's based in reality - he was very quick to point it out and make sure I knew what was going on (it wasn't going to change my purchasing decision anyway), and the fact that a Gamestop employee actively denied me trading a game in seems to suggest that this is in fact a real policy.

Personally, I think it's kind of a catty move on Gamestop's part. It's a very public pissing match between a publisher and a used games retailer and customers are caught in the middle. Nobody wins and the customer goes home soaked.

It's a shame that all this is detracting from the fact that Mercs 3D is actually a pretty darned good game.
 
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[quote name='WatTsu']Yes. Maybe it's different in other areas.



It's possible this guy didn't know what he was talking about, but considering the used game values on this are pretty low in Japan, I would not be surprised if this is the truth. From what he said, Gamestop had only just heard about it today or yesterday and made the decision. It might be interesting to see if other stores give a similar answer.

My guess is that it's based in reality - he was very quick to point it out and make sure I knew what was going on (it wasn't going to change my purchasing decision anyway), and the fact that a Gamestop employee actively denied me trading a game in seems to suggest that this is in fact a real policy.[/QUOTE]

I believe it is too. I called a few once you said that to verify and they all instantly confirmed it. Kinda sucks I wasnt informed, but this is 1 DS game I want to keep.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']I believe it is too. I called a few once you said that to verify and they all instantly confirmed it. Kinda sucks I wasnt informed, but this is 1 DS game I want to keep.[/QUOTE]

That's where I'm at. I think the game is pretty good. I don't mind there not being a ton of content because honestly I'm not going to burn through it in a day. It's a palate cleanser in between Zelda and DSiware.

Ultimately, maybe I have a different perspective, since the game only cost me $10 and a copy of L.A. Noire, a game I personally had no qualms about parting with. My investment here is pretty low.
 
[quote name='WatTsu']That's where I'm at. I think the game is pretty good. I don't mind there not being a ton of content because honestly I'm not going to burn through it in a day. It's a palate cleanser in between Zelda and DSiware.[/QUOTE]

This x2.
 
[quote name='WatTsu']Yes. Maybe it's different in other areas.



It's possible this guy didn't know what he was talking about, but considering the used game values on this are pretty low in Japan, I would not be surprised if this is the truth. From what he said, Gamestop had only just heard about it today or yesterday and made the decision. It might be interesting to see if other stores give a similar answer.

My guess is that it's based in reality - he was very quick to point it out and make sure I knew what was going on (it wasn't going to change my purchasing decision anyway), and the fact that a Gamestop employee actively denied me trading a game in seems to suggest that this is in fact a real policy.

Personally, I think it's kind of a catty move on Gamestop's part. It's a very public pissing match between a publisher and a used games retailer and customers are caught in the middle. Nobody wins and the customer goes home soaked.

It's a shame that all this is detracting from the fact that Mercs 3D is actually a pretty darned good game.[/QUOTE]

I dont think its a pissing match, I think Gamestop doesnt want to deal with the inevitble constant returns from 2nd hand buyers upset that they cant restart the game.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']This is getting really fucking old... If they're SOL explain how they're SOL in an Arcade game?

Story? Zero
Unlockables? Minimal
Medals? Most people complain trophies/achievements are pointless so dont claim it is now.
Content locked out? Nothing

At most your sister, brother, friend, gay lover, or parents beat your high score... Oh yeah lets all stop buying capcom games because theres no point in doing what someone else has done.[/QUOTE]
Capcom fanboy?

So you're just proving my point. Why would anyone buy this game? There is no story. No online leaderboards and only one save. This game is worth full price how?

The bottom line is when I BUY a game I should be able to do what I want with it. If I want to delete my save and start over I should be able to. If I want to sell it or *gasp* let a friend or my wife borrow/play it I should. My wife is a big gamer as well. We both have our own DS's. We haven't taken the 3DS plunge yet because nothing has really interested me. While we were on vacation we were switching DS carts constantly. You can't do that with this bullshit game. This game may has well have been in the next Mission: Impossible movie. Once you play through it maybe it should just self destruct because it's worthless.

Anyone that buys this game and supports this crap needs to have their heads examined.

LOL at the game being a "palate cleanser". A $40 palate cleanser? Seriously? Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
 
Even being a huge Resident Evil fanboy.. I'm not sure I want this game now. I was just borrowing my friend's 3DS and I was going to buy this game today with this $10 GC sale and play it.. but after I return the 3DS am I going to be able to sell the game to at least get most of my money back? With the one save system I'm not so sure... should I take the chance? Anyone who is a huge RE fan, have you really liked the game so far? Worth at least $30?
 
Mercenaries is basically a glorified mini-game. The only items on the save file will be your high scores and your levels/characters unlocked.

Even if the game had a 10-20 hour campaign, you could still replay from the beginning using someone else's save and character/weapon upgrades.

Thus, the save issue isn't a deal-breaker for me, but given that I don't have a 3DS yet, I can wait for the game (new or used) to become cheaper before I invest.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']This is getting really fucking old... If they're SOL explain how they're SOL in an Arcade game?

Story? Zero
Unlockables? Minimal
Medals? Most people complain trophies/achievements are pointless so dont claim it is now.
Content locked out? Nothing

At most your sister, brother, friend, gay lover, or parents beat your high score... Oh yeah lets all stop buying capcom games because theres no point in doing what someone else has done.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to buy it used, so that the trouble of beating it is done for me. Then I don't even have to play it! Awesome, thanks Capcom!

In all seriousness, here's a question. I noticed that some games with multiplayer force you to pick a username that you can't change. Wondering if that is the same in RE, since you can't delete the data you might be stuck using assman as a player name.
 
[quote name='jza1218']I'm going to buy it used, so that the trouble of beating it is done for me. Then I don't even have to play it! Awesome, thanks Capcom!

In all seriousness, here's a question. I noticed that some games with multiplayer force you to pick a username that you can't change. Wondering if that is the same in RE, since you can't delete the data you might be stuck using assman as a player name.[/QUOTE]

No its honestly very minimalistic I own a copy (obviously).

There is nothing personal about the game. You cant set a name, or anything fancy.
Medals are unlocked, but those are basically trophies.
The game can be replayed endlessly.
Skills are unlocked but im missing MANY. Odds are they have rules/guidelines to unlock a ton of them.
You can level skills to have more power.
You can unlock alternate weapon sets for characters.
etc

If you just like playing RE the Mercs the game is solid new or used.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']No its honestly very minimalistic I own a copy (obviously).

There is nothing personal about the game. You cant set a name, or anything fancy.
Medals are unlocked, but those are basically trophies.
The game can be replayed endlessly.
Skills are unlocked but im missing MANY. Odds are they have rules/guidelines to unlock a ton of them.
You can level skills to have more power.
You can unlock alternate weapon sets for characters.
etc

If you just like playing RE the Mercs the game is solid new or used.[/QUOTE]

So, in other words, despite your fanboyism, you are confirming that in fact subsequent users will not be able to start the game from scratch. In other words, this is a game that needs to be purchased new if you want to experience it all the way through without advantages. Not acceptable at all. In fact, it's ten times worse than charging an outside fee for used owners since you don't even have the option of paying for a reset. There is no valid reason nor any basis to defend Capcom for this.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']No its honestly very minimalistic I own a copy (obviously).

There is nothing personal about the game. You cant set a name, or anything fancy.
Medals are unlocked, but those are basically trophies.
The game can be replayed endlessly.
Skills are unlocked but im missing MANY. Odds are they have rules/guidelines to unlock a ton of them.
You can level skills to have more power.
You can unlock alternate weapon sets for characters.
etc

If you just like playing RE the Mercs the game is solid new or used.[/QUOTE]

So you can assign skills to a character. So if someone gets it used, they are stuck with the skills you assigned to a character, and the ability to "customize" said character is gone?
 
[quote name='bojay1997']In my opinion, there is no valid reason nor any basis to defend Capcom for this.[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for you.
 
[quote name='jza1218']So you can assign skills to a character. So if someone gets it used, they are stuck with the skills you assigned to a character, and the ability to "customize" said character is gone?[/QUOTE]

you can freely change them.

@ bojay1997:

Would you complain that you got Pacman used and there was a highscore on there you couldnt remove? It's no different than that... You can freely replay missions endlessly, theres no story... I dont see whats so hard to grasp. I mean honestly whats your point?

Want to experience the full game load up the first stages.
Want to play it without advantages feel free play though all the stages without abiltiies.
Want to play with a base character? Chris, Jill, Hunk take your pick. Wesker is unlocked last and you gain 1 character after each level.
 
Maybe Honda should start crippling cars with a special chip, so nobody can go and sell their used car on Autotrader.com. Everyone must drive new Hondas! Or maybe, toys should just blow up, instead of, allowing parents to sell them on eBay when the kids don't want them anymore. Putting it into that context, this whole backlash against the used game business is bull. It's not an acceptable practice to cripple products for the sake of avoiding a secondary market, and the game companies are just asses.

The best way to handle this is to approach Gamestop and the other vendors with some kind of compensation plan. But, this will not happen. At the end of the day, as usual, the only loser here is the consumer. The companies will continue to make money.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']you can freely change them.

@ bojay1997:

Would you complain that you got Pacman used and there was a highscore on there you couldnt remove?[/QUOTE]

I would complain if you had to unlock maps in Pac-Man by beating prior maps.
I would complain if you could unlock Inky, Blinky, Pinky, Clyde, and Ms. Pac-Man as bonus characters.
I would complain if each of the characters in Pac-Man had equipable skills that you could unlock and level up.

I know a lot of younger gamers this gen prefer to Game Shark/Action Replay everything so they have everything unlocked for them from the start (or even pay actual money for DLC unlock codes, ugh), but back in my day, half the fun of playing a game was earning the rewards yourself, even on something shallow like a fighting game where all you got is characters. Sure, you can still do that if you buy this new, but the argument isn't about used vs new, it is that a majority of gamers like to replay their games a year or two later with a fresh start on everything.

If people were stuck with 120 star files on their Super Mario 64 carts, they would be just as angry. Sure you can go back to any level and grab the hollow blue stars you have already collected, but the sense of progression is completely missing.
 
[quote name='sadakou']I would complain if you had to unlock maps in Pac-Man by beating prior maps.
I would complain if you could unlock Inky, Blinky, Pinky, Clyde, and Ms. Pac-Man as bonus characters.
I would complain if each of the characters in Pac-Man had equipable skills that you could unlock and level up.

I know a lot of younger gamers this gen prefer to Game Shark/Action Replay everything so they have everything unlocked for them from the start (or even pay actual money for DLC unlock codes, ugh), but back in my day, half the fun of playing a game was earning the rewards yourself, even on something shallow like a fighting game where all you got is characters. Sure, you can still do that if you buy this new, but the argument isn't about used vs new, it is that a majority of gamers like to replay their games a year or two later with a fresh start on everything.

If people were stuck with 120 star files on their Super Mario 64 carts, they would be just as angry. Sure you can go back to any level and grab the hollow blue stars you have already collected, but the sense of progression is completely missing.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't have said it better myself. That Pacman comparison was dreadful.
 
Instead of crying and whining.. if you don't like the practice just DO NOT but the f'ing game.

Regardless of what Capcom has done I would much rather sink money into this game, then almost any other 3DS title to date. I prefer to keep all my purchases but for those who don't just skip this title.

Where is the thread on the MW3 Elite pay bullshit. Or Online passes required. Or pay to play?

If you are against this practice then consider yourself fortunate you were informed BEFORE making your purchase
 
SO BACK TO THE DEAL


Is this in-stores only or not? I tried to skim through and find an answer but this thing is way off-topic of the deal and more about issues with the game.


I ordered it from BestBuy.com on Monday but I forgot to check the "Yes! Send me the free $10 giftcard" bullshit. So I got sent the game only...I'm gonna return it as soon as it comes in the mail. Gonna hold out for the rumored Sunday $30 price at K-Mart, or rebuy it on Saturday w/giftcard in-store.
 
[quote name='admiralvic']you can freely change them.

@ bojay1997:

Would you complain that you got Pacman used and there was a highscore on there you couldnt remove? It's no different than that... You can freely replay missions endlessly, theres no story... I dont see whats so hard to grasp. I mean honestly whats your point?

Want to experience the full game load up the first stages.
Want to play it without advantages feel free play though all the stages without abiltiies.
Want to play with a base character? Chris, Jill, Hunk take your pick. Wesker is unlocked last and you gain 1 character after each level.[/QUOTE]

My point is that the game experience subsequent purchasers or even friends or family who might play my copy is fundamentally different than what I received as the initial player. Those subsequent players cannot experience the satisfaction of unlocking various characters, abilities, etc...on their own. I really can't understand people who are blindly defending Capcom here. There is absolutely no technical reason why they couldn't have allowed you to wipe the save files or create new ones as every other 3DS game allows you to do. Whether they were just too lazy or too greedy or too stupid to fix this problem, it is undoubtedly a problem and I have yet to see anyone provide a valid reason for why they did this. So please, explain to me how I can allow a subsequent player to unlock characters that I have already unlocked for a second time. Unless I'm missing something, the answer is that I can't.
 
[quote name='bojay1997']My point is that the game experience subsequent purchasers or even friends or family who might play my copy is fundamentally different than what I received as the initial player. Those subsequent players cannot experience the satisfaction of unlocking various characters, abilities, etc...on their own. I really can't understand people who are blindly defending Capcom here. There is absolutely no technical reason why they couldn't have allowed you to wipe the save files or create new ones as every other 3DS game allows you to do. Whether they were just too lazy or too greedy or too stupid to fix this problem, it is undoubtedly a problem and I have yet to see anyone provide a valid reason for why they did this. So please, explain to me how I can allow a subsequent player to unlock characters that I have already unlocked for a second time. Unless I'm missing something, the answer is that I can't.[/QUOTE]
You can't. The fanboys are saying that the other people that play after you can just "pretend" that they are starting from scratch by loading an old map and playing without any unlocks on. That is their solution for this egregious business practice.

But, to respond to GBAstar, who probably blindly buys every Nintendo game and system they create with that username, I was never going to buy the game. $40 for just mercenaries mode is a joke. But i heard about this bullshit on another forum and when I was checking this site I saw this thread and wanted to let people know what the deal was. But it seems most people are aware. That doesn't mean I can't chime in with my opinion. This is the internet for chrissakes.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Instead of crying and whining.. if you don't like the practice just DO NOT but the f'ing game.
[/QUOTE]

(I think he means buy)

This is all that matters people. Vote with your wallet and not with your whine.
 
[quote name='confoosious'](I think he means buy)

This is all that matters people. Vote with your wallet and not with your whine.[/QUOTE]

But we have to educate the masses! The masses!
 
[quote name='bojay1997']My point is that the game experience subsequent purchasers or even friends or family who might play my copy is fundamentally different than what I received as the initial player. Those subsequent players cannot experience the satisfaction of unlocking various characters, abilities, etc...on their own. I really can't understand people who are blindly defending Capcom here. There is absolutely no technical reason why they couldn't have allowed you to wipe the save files or create new ones as every other 3DS game allows you to do. Whether they were just too lazy or too greedy or too stupid to fix this problem, it is undoubtedly a problem and I have yet to see anyone provide a valid reason for why they did this. So please, explain to me how I can allow a subsequent player to unlock characters that I have already unlocked for a second time. Unless I'm missing something, the answer is that I can't.[/QUOTE]

turn off auto save and tell them to have at it. I beat all the stages, but EX in 2ish hours.
 
[quote name='nintendokingdom']SO BACK TO THE DEAL


Is this in-stores only or not? I tried to skim through and find an answer but this thing is way off-topic of the deal and more about issues with the game.


I ordered it from BestBuy.com on Monday but I forgot to check the "Yes! Send me the free $10 giftcard" bullshit. So I got sent the game only...I'm gonna return it as soon as it comes in the mail. Gonna hold out for the rumored Sunday $30 price at K-Mart, or rebuy it on Saturday w/giftcard in-store.[/QUOTE]


The deal is on-line only. It doesn't ring up with the gift card at the registers. If Best Buy follows it's PM Policy they should sell you it for $29.99 in store ($39.99 online price minus the $10 GC) but of course mine wouldn't so I had to go out to the car and place a .com order and then pick it up 20minutes later.
 
Yesterday morning I was able to order online and pick up in-store. The gift card is already on the way.

And I, for one, am *really* digging this game!
 
[quote name='SteveGo']Fixed that for you.[/QUOTE]

No you didn't. He's was correct. There is no justification to defend Capcom on this. This could set a dangerous precedent if it sells well.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']No you didn't. He's was correct. There is no justification to defend Capcom on this. This could set a dangerous precedent if it sells well.[/QUOTE]

It's a hardly a precedent, and only for those wanting to buy the game used. Anyway, it's much easier to find a new version of a game cheap, considering that's the entire point of this site, than scrounging for a used copy online or (god forbid) at GameStop.
 
[quote name='stavros45']It's a hardly a precedent, and only for those wanting to buy the game used.[/QUOTE]

It's also an issue for those who want to loan the game to friends or wish to erase their data to start over from scratch.
 
Just curious all you 3DS owners complaining about this...


How many of you have deleted your SSFIV, Nintendogs or DOA files and started over?

How many of you started a second file..or deleted your original in other games like Pilotwings or Shadow Wars?
 
[quote name='nintendokingdom']Just curious all you 3DS owners complaining about this...


How many of you have deleted your SSFIV, Nintendogs or DOA files and started over?

How many of you started a second file..or deleted your original in other games like Pilotwings or Shadow Wars?[/QUOTE]

No, but I deleted some one else's file in Pilot Wings and Ridge Racer. And someone will be deleting my file for Cartoon Network Punchtime Explosion once I send it out via goozex.
 
[quote name='jza1218']No, but I deleted some one else's file in Pilot Wings and Ridge Racer. And someone will be deleting my file for Cartoon Network Punchtime Explosion once I send it out via goozex.[/QUOTE]
I believe that more than someone claiming that they want to delete their own save to start from scratch themselves.
 
The more I hear about this, the more I don't care if the file is permanent. Of course I would not buy a used one but I doubt I would ever reset it myself to start over since the game is about times and unlockables. I just hope all the bad press makes the price on this sucker go down. In spite of the data issue I don't think this a game worth $40. I would pay $20 though!
 
[quote name='icarusmight']The more I hear about this, the more I don't care if the file is permanent. Of course I would not buy a used one but I doubt I would ever reset it myself to start over since the game is about times and unlockables. I just hope all the bad press makes the price on this sucker go down. In spite of the data issue I don't think this a game worth $40. I would pay $20 though![/QUOTE]

It might not be worth 40, but out of any 3ds game I have its the most fun. Online works really well.
 
Yeah I bought this game cause my buddies and I played countless hours of Mercenaries in Resident Evil 4 and 5 and am having a blast with it. Just waiting for my buddy to buy his copy so we can play online.
 
Glad to hear that people are enjoying the game itself. I have a game coupon and some points to use at Kmart, so I should be able to get the game for 2-3 bucks after tax :)
 
[quote name='GBAstar']WOW. All you nerds really have too much time on your hands[/QUOTE]

Good. Capcom fucked up and they deserve the lo score.
 
^ True... but negging a game because you don't like the practice of the publisher WITHOUT playing it is just as RETARDED as fanboys giving a five star review for an exclusive months BEFORE the game has been released WITHOUT playing it
 
I'm pretty sure you don't have to play the game to understand how this DRM save file works AND still be able to get mad about it.

Even though I can see both sides of this, it's still a pretty shitty tatic that Capcom is trying.

Well... here's to hoping for someone or some-company finding a way to erase the file via either software hack or hardware device. For me this game will have to be a sub $10 before I bite in it's current state.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']^ True... but negging a game because you don't like the practice of the publisher WITHOUT playing it is just as RETARDED as fanboys giving a five star review for an exclusive months BEFORE the game has been released WITHOUT playing it[/QUOTE]
Normally I'd agree with you, but this is one of the few games where it's not difficult to form an opinion about without playing it, as it's pretty much composed on content that has been available to players for years now.
 
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