Ridiculously cheap HDTV, 360 Premium, and Madden Package - Best Buy

[quote name='Michaellvortega']Yea well you Know about AVIA so you KNOW what your doing, most of the nubs dont. and a 51" CRT? how much does it weigh?[/QUOTE]

151 lbs. I don't ever move it. For the purposes of accessing the rear inputs, it's on rollers and glides nicely on carpet.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Geez no love for the slimfit samsung...I have it and love it! Kayden and Linkin Prime have it too, and Im pretty sure they've had no problems with it.

All I needed to do was tilt the screen slightly. The left side was down further than the right. Anyone who has come over to play the 360 has commented on how amazing the picture looks...I guess you guys are just uber critical of tvs.

And JCdenton, not all of us can just stroll out and buy a plasma tv k?[/quote]

Yup I got it and had a minor issue that could happen to any tv. It had a speck of dust in the center. Exchanged it and no problems at all. Its a great TV for a Great price. Been enjoying playing my 360 in 1080i as well as my DVD's with my Samsung upconverting DVD Player.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']Your sony CRT can Accept 720p but not display a 720p image, it will upconvert it to 1080i.[/quote]

yes, that is what I mean.
consumer level crt hdtv are actually 540p at most, which can be tricked into 1080i. But interlaced display mode is not best for fast moving images
therefore, they are not really good for hd gaming, just IMHO
 
[quote name='horrido']My Sony CRT does 720p, and 1080i. Not sure if CRT's can do 1080p. 1080p TV's are rediculously high priced at the moment, from what I understand. They were only recently introduced to the market. That is one of the critisms of the PS3, which is capable of doing 1080p - most people dont have 1080p now, or will in the near future due to the high cost. I'm not sure I agree with this critism, as (in this case) I would prefer to be future proof. I cant afford a PS3 anyhow - not until the price drops significantly.[/quote]

the current 1080p sets are not future-proof. I believe ps3, hddvd and blu-ray all require hdmi1.3 standard for 1080p output, which is not availbe on any tv yet.
 
I stand corrected. My Sony KD30XS955 does upconvert 720p to 1080i. 1080i is the native resolution, so there is no 'tricking' involved (not sure what was meant by that). Thanks for the correction.

There are a few CRTs that do 720p tho - Samsung's TX-P2675 and TX-P3075 for example.
 
[quote name='minmao']the current 1080p sets are not future-proof. I believe ps3, hddvd and blu-ray all require hdmi1.3 standard for 1080p output, which is not availbe on any tv yet.[/quote]

I was refering to the notion that some are saying the PS3 is 'future proof' because it is capable of 1080p.
 
[quote name='clariste']151 lbs. I don't ever move it. For the purposes of accessing the rear inputs, it's on rollers and glides nicely on carpet.[/QUOTE]

That's it?? My 30" CRT is 135 lbs.
 
[quote name='JCDenton']I used to own a Sceptre and it wasn't very good. I ended up returning it and buying a Pioneer plasma instead. The one I had was a 37 inch Naga with 1920X1080p native resolution(so better than this one), but it was really bad for gaming. The black level is horrible, meaning dark scenes are going to be washed out and it's going to be hard to see details in the shadows. Also, it had a lot of ghosting/blurring. LCD Tvs just aren't designed for this type of thing.[/quote]


This is extremely misleading to others on this board. Maybe this low-end spectre model displays horrible black detail and has ghosting, but the Samsung, Sony, and Sharp Aquos models are all quality displays (you get what you pay for). I have seen the GC displayed on a Samsung 3251D, as well as a progressive scan DVD player and both looked terrific. Go on to the HDTVARCADE forum to see HD gaming setups users have. Half of them use LCD displays. I am not saying LCD is perfect, but it's been good enough for PC gamers the past 5 years. As for Plasma, I love the display, but there is a reason that the user manual states you must limit your viewing to 15% for all 4:3 programming, unless you want to stretch everything. Also, there isn't a Plasma out right now that is both display future proof and somwhat cost effective, you might call someone being cheap, but at the moment 1080p Plasmas still retail for close to 10K

Note: If any members on CAG are seriously looking in getting a new HDTV for the 360 and/or upcoming Wii/PS3, I highly recommend checking out avsforum.com and hdtvarcade.com as both sites are invaluable to me when looking into displays, whether it's CRT, LCD, Plasma, DLP, LCoS, Rear or Front Projection, they discuss all of them.
 
[quote name='pinoy530']That's it?? My 30" CRT is 135 lbs.[/QUOTE]

Different technology, his CRT is pretty much a light bulb and some colored slides with speakers, inputs/outputs, a processor and a chipboard, plus a power supply

Your CRT is a cathode ray tube, a large glass tube filled with phosphors and stuff, your 30 inch [like my 30 inch] weighs around 140 pounds, a 51 inch cathode ray tube [like ours] would weigh around 350 pounds.
 
[quote name='trip1eX']Here you're looking at $1100 after tax with the TV priced at $800. Ok deal.[/quote]
The deal at the Best Buy near me had this specific package listed for $959.99 (I think this is the third time I've posted this.) I also pay no sales tax, as this is for a school. The TV is on sale for $750 I think.

I've just been given the go ahead from my boss to spend as much as $750 on a TV for our new dorm's lounge. What is the absolute best TV I can buy for this price?

Anyone know?
 
[quote name='theeipi']The deal at the Best Buy near me had this specific package listed for $959.99 (I think this is the third time I've posted this.) I also pay no sales tax, as this is for a school. The TV is on sale for $750 I think.
[/QUOTE]

Hey no one's doubting you so you don't need to repeat yourself. :)

Since I wouldn't be tax-exempt and I'm not sure my Best Buy would give the TV for $749 as part of this promotion it's not as good of a deal for me as it appears to be for you.
 
If you really want to geek out this conversation, we can talk about how even though most CRT based TV's claim they can do 1080i....in reality...they can't resolve anywhere near 1920x1080 lines of picture information. Their CRT Tube or Guns can't focus the beam that tightly.

For example, my 65" RP set uses 7" CRT guns....it claims it can do 1080i.....but if you were to measure its output, it can't...I read once the picture you see on most CRT based HD sets is closer to 720p's resolution (measured)...ie: 1200 lines of vertical resolution, give or take. Only if you go with one of the really high-end sets that uses 9" guns will you have equipment that can actually deliver 1900 lines of vertical resolution as advertised.
 
[quote name='souNReAL']*has the TV*

*at factory settings*

*switches to Fox News*

*sees the scrolling bar*

nah, we're good. :)[/quote]

Mine has minor issues. for the most part, I can only tell because one side shows like 1" under a life bar and the other side shows like .5" under the bar. Its not really something you notice unless you look for it or the dev does something stupid like puts text at the very bottom of the screen.

Is there any way to calibrate the TV?
 
[quote name='Kayden']Mine has minor issues. for the most part, I can only tell because one side shows like 1" under a life bar and the other side shows like .5" under the bar. Its not really something you notice unless you look for it or the dev does something stupid like puts text at the very bottom of the screen.

Is there any way to calibrate the TV?[/QUOTE]

http://www.fixyourowntv.com/servicemenu.php

worked for me when i had a CRT. DONT FORGET TO COPY ALL THE SETTINGS BEFORE YOU CHANGE ANYTHING! Good luck man or girl
Also a poor mans calibration tool would be the THX setup found on any Disney DVD, You can use this in conjunction with your service menu to correct bending.
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']If you really want to geek out this conversation, we can talk about how even though most CRT based TV's claim they can do 1080i....in reality...they can't resolve anywhere near 1920x1080 lines of picture information. Their CRT Tube or Guns can't focus the beam that tightly.

For example, my 65" RP set uses 7" CRT guns....it claims it can do 1080i.....but if you were to measure its output, it can't...I read once the picture you see on most CRT based HD sets is closer to 720p's resolution (measured)...ie: 1200 lines of vertical resolution, give or take. Only if you go with one of the really high-end sets that uses 9" guns will you have equipment that can actually deliver 1900 lines of vertical resolution as advertised.[/QUOTE]

Yeah just because it supports 720p/1080i doesn't mean it actually does that resolution. Plasmas don't do true 720p either from purely a pixel point of view. The 42" ones only do 1024x768 and that's not even a 16:9 resolution.

Screensize and distance away from screen make a big difference too. The higher resolutions help more the bigger the screen and closer you are to the TV.
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']If you really want to geek out this conversation, we can talk about how even though most CRT based TV's claim they can do 1080i....in reality...they can't resolve anywhere near 1920x1080 lines of picture information. Their CRT Tube or Guns can't focus the beam that tightly.

For example, my 65" RP set uses 7" CRT guns....it claims it can do 1080i.....but if you were to measure its output, it can't...I read once the picture you see on most CRT based HD sets is closer to 720p's resolution (measured)...ie: 1200 lines of vertical resolution, give or take. Only if you go with one of the really high-end sets that uses 9" guns will you have equipment that can actually deliver 1900 lines of vertical resolution as advertised.[/quote]

Good points. Bottom line tho - CRTs give a much brighter picture, more vivid colors, and blacker blacks when compairing models in the same price range. There's really no compairison. Go look for yourself on the showroom, and stop reading this. Its not at all subtle - its obvious when you compair side by side.
 
[quote name='horrido']Good points. Bottom line tho - CRTs give a much brighter picture, more vivid colors, and blacker blacks when compairing models in the same price range. There's really no compairison. Go look for yourself on the showroom, and stop reading this. Its not at all subtle - its obvious when you compair side by side.[/QUOTE]

I second this. Personally, there is no TV, even above $3000, that can produce a better picture than a high end CRT. The only problem is that they top out at 34 inches wide screen, or 40 inches in a full frame format. However, even a low end tube based HDTV will pass black and white texts, have better coloring, and look sharper than most mid range plasma and projection TV's. Like wise, a Panasonic or Sony, fully calibrated, will perform better than three, four thousand dollar projector or plasma options. Viewing angle, viewing distance, and temperature not affecting CRT's are just icing on the cake for tube based TV'.s And this makes it HORRIBLY SAD, that except for Samsung and Sony, no companies sponsor the tube anymore. Panasonic made the best CRT HDTV's and they pulled out, PLASMA ONLY. Pretty much the only options now are the XBRs, the slim fits, or open boxed/clearanced Panasonics..that or cheap Sanyos/Philips...
 
[quote name='Kfoster1979']That TV's resolution is 1920 x 1080 so its native in 1080i . Yes it can accept any and all HD signals but the TV its self processes the Video to 1080i. Go and change you XBOX to 1080i so the TV gets it native signal and it will look better (in theory)[/QUOTE]

CRTs are not LCDs or Plasmas Because they do not have native resolution, They only have minimum and maximum resolutions that they can display. This is a rather large difference
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']http://www.fixyourowntv.com/servicemenu.php

worked for me when i had a CRT. DONT FORGET TO COPY ALL THE SETTINGS BEFORE YOU CHANGE ANYTHING! Good luck man or girl
Also a poor mans calibration tool would be the THX setup found on any Disney DVD, You can use this in conjunction with your service menu to correct bending.[/quote]
I may love you for this... I'll let you know when I get home.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I may love you for this... I'll let you know when I get home.[/QUOTE]

Understand one thing before you go messing around in a service menu: You can ruin your tv with the flick of a remote if you change a setting by accident and save the changes. This isn't a joke, the service menus aren't like the user menus on a TV.

Sometimes its just a code with numbers you can change higher or lower, but often times those numbers can go higher or lower than what is safe to actually set the value at.

ie: My TV's geometry settings let me push a given number from -200 to +200 safely...but I can easily push those numbers higher than 200...only problem is, if I do that, I am over-stressing certain components of the TV...and that could lead to failure, or god knows what other kind of problems.

Be very careful what you mess with, is all.
 
i'm buying a tv this weekend, probably this one, though maybe the 27" full screen. not getting the deal cuz i'm not authorized to spend that much.
 
[quote name='billg']NERDS!

Has anyone actually gotten this deal? Does anyone even care about the deal anymore?[/quote]

Your posting on a video game internet forum and your avatar is of a street fighter 2 character :roll:
 
I'm a little late but Best Buy lists that TV as having a 4:3 aspect ratio in the specs, which is obviously not TRUE HD since 1080i and 720p are 16x9 native
 
[quote name='billg']NERDS!

Has anyone actually gotten this deal? Does anyone even care about the deal anymore?[/QUOTE]

I care about the deal, but I haven't gotten it. I'd be all over this if I wasn't a little strapped for cash at the moment. I have been wanting to upgrade our main TV for a while now. This wouldn't be a huge upgrade, but I'm not looking for that. I'll get something fancy for the basement once it's finished.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Linkin, you put your tv at 1080i? I have mine set to 720p...what do you have it set at Kayden?[/quote]


Yeah, I messed with both 720p and 1080i and I liked 1080i better. Been using that ever since.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']Your posting on a video game internet forum and your avatar is of a street fighter 2 character :roll:[/QUOTE]

I'm just saying, no one is discussing the deal. It's turned into a very boring discussion of TV specs, which frankly should be moved to another section of the forum. I'm tired of it clogging up the front page.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']http://www.fixyourowntv.com/servicemenu.php

worked for me when i had a CRT. DONT FORGET TO COPY ALL THE SETTINGS BEFORE YOU CHANGE ANYTHING! Good luck man or girl
Also a poor mans calibration tool would be the THX setup found on any Disney DVD, You can use this in conjunction with your service menu to correct bending.[/QUOTE]

This is great info, thanks.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Linkin, you put your tv at 1080i? I have mine set to 720p...what do you have it set at Kayden?[/quote]

o_O?

I know I used 1080i in Shadow of the Colosus... I'm not sure what I use other times. Is that set per game or where? Are we talking 360, movies or TV in general?

I never saw a resolution setting in the setup menus for the TV.... so I guess I don't know.
 
[quote name='Kayden']o_O?

I know I used 1080i in Shadow of the Colosus... I'm not sure what I use other times. Is that set per game or where? Are we talking 360, movies or TV in general?

I never saw a resolution setting in the setup menus for the TV.... so I guess I don't know.[/quote]

Its on the settings for X360 and DVD player (if it upconverts). The TV picks up the setting automatically based on what signal the system sends it. You can set your X360 to 480p (Standard), 720p or 10810i.
 
My 360 is set to 1080i.

I was fucking with the service menu and fixed some issues I didn't even notice until I really looked- however, I noticed more than I fixed. =(

The center bows out and theres no setting that un bows just the center. You can do the whole screen and the top and the bottom and you can move where the center bow is, you just can't change it.

The thing that got me in the menu to start apparently cant be fixed. Strait lines on the bottom of the screen are fine on the right, but after the middle of the screen they drop about a quarter inch. Its not really a huge thing, and you don't really notice it unless you're looking for it- but its one of those things that once you know its there, you look for ways to find it. =\

Should I call Samsung and have them get a guy out here to look at it? Maybe he would have better luck? Or maybe they'd get me a better tv?
 
[quote name='Kayden']My 360 is set to 1080i.

I was fucking with the service menu and fixed some issues I didn't even notice until I really looked- however, I noticed more than I fixed. =(

The center bows out and theres no setting that un bows just the center. You can do the whole screen and the top and the bottom and you can move where the center bow is, you just can't change it.

The thing that got me in the menu to start apparently cant be fixed. Strait lines on the bottom of the screen are fine on the right, but after the middle of the screen they drop about a quarter inch. Its not really a huge thing, and you don't really notice it unless you're looking for it- but its one of those things that once you know its there, you look for ways to find it. =\

Should I call Samsung and have them get a guy out here to look at it? Maybe he would have better luck? Or maybe they'd get me a better tv?[/QUOTE]

That's just the way CRTs are, don't expect to get the picture perfect or even close, It took me a while to get my Sammy 27" looking good enough. There are controls to stretch the sides, shrink the center and do this and that, Bad thing is they are not named. That's why I said you have to write things down and keep the original # settings in a safe place. Just keep playing with it and you'll get it. Being that I have a slight case of OCD about AV stuff, I had to go to LCD and DLP as my main TVs for straight lines. If all else fails pay a pro to come calibrate your TV, BUT expect to pay the price.
 
I've had this set since early June and I'll agree that if you get one with a good tube the picture quality is excellent. The only problem I ever had with mine was some minor overscan, which was easily corrected in the service menu.

For anyone out there who's interested, there is an avsforum thread devoted specifically to this set. There's a lot of good information in there about the technical details of this set, as well as perfroming calibration on this set.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=669114

[quote name='Kayden']My 360 is set to 1080i.
The thing that got me in the menu to start apparently cant be fixed. Strait lines on the bottom of the screen are fine on the right, but after the middle of the screen they drop about a quarter inch. Its not really a huge thing, and you don't really notice it unless you're looking for it- but its one of those things that once you know its there, you look for ways to find it. =\[/QUOTE]

There's a setting in the regular menu (not the service menu) for this TV called "Tilt" that can help fix a slanted picture. Go to menu->picture->tilt and adjust as needed.
 
[quote name='rickc25']
There's a setting in the regular menu (not the service menu) for this TV called "Tilt" that can help fix a slanted picture. Go to menu->picture->tilt and adjust as needed.[/quote]

I saw that, but its not tilted. Its actually bent. From the middle to the right is level but from the middle to the left it slips down, and its only along the bottom, the middle and top are fine. All tilt would do is throw the rest of the picture off.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Hmmm why do you guys have your 360's set at 1080i, isn't 720p slightly better?[/QUOTE]

The 1080i vs. 720p debate continues to rage on.
Honestly, they both have their strengths and weaknesses according to what I've researched so it really depends on what you plan on PRIMARILY using your set for (recently considered buying a 360 and a tube HDTV at Best Buy).
Also, the main discussion here seems to be about HD tube TVs (not plasmas, LCD, or LCD/DLP projection sets)which cannot do native 720p so they automatically upconvert 720p to 1080i. If your set automatically upconverts to 1080i, I would guess you would set your 360 to 1080i for the best native picture quality.
On a side note AVS Forum (linked above) is a great place to get some background on all this.

Waiting for the Toshiba S.E.D.'s ,
E.G.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Hmmm why do you guys have your 360's set at 1080i, isn't 720p slightly better?[/QUOTE]

The 1080i vs. 720p debate continues to rage on.
Honestly, they both have their strengths and weaknesses according to what I've researched so it really depends on what you plan on PRIMARILY using your set for (recently considered buying a 360 and a tube HDTV at Best Buy).
Also, the main discussion here seems to be about HD tube TVs (not plasmas, LCD, or LCD/DLP projection sets)which cannot do native 720p so they automatically upconvert 720p to 1080i. If your set automatically upconverts to 1080i, I would guess you would set your 360 to 1080i for the best native picture quality.
On a side note AVS Forum (linked above) is a great place to get some background on all this.

Waiting for the Toshiba S.E.D.'s ,
E.G.
 
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