Rock Band Wii - 6/22/08 - $170 - Pictures!

Well this is sad.

Rock Band was that hope for DLC. :cry:

Makes me wonder if Activision or Varcious Visions was lying or maybe knew something about DLC.

Well I'm glad brought Rock Band on the PS3. But still I agree with Strell and everybody else it's such bullshit.

Nintendo must have a killer NDA with their SDK.

Well at least there's wiiware and brawl,galaxy. It's sad that the wii isn't being treated better by third parites.

But Nintendo is also to secret about their products. I mean are they afraid they will lose income to microsoft and sony if they reveal their dlc strategy's?

But then again Nintendo has said to "swap" your vc games out since it's like a fridge.
Also sakurai in the ign interview said the wii is a "disk based system" so he said there's no way to put dlc on the wii which is interesting he said that...
 
Again, this is a case of the PS2 gimping the Wii. Is Nintendo stubborn and unlikely to go for all that 'fancy online jazz' and 'storage space'? Of course, but that's not really the issue here.

The issue is that, and this is also true (more so) for Guitar Hero... look at the sales numbers for the PS2 RB and GH3 and tell me people aren't willingly buying gimped games. Hell, going with the numbers, it seems they're more than happy to do it.

I've said this before and I'll say it again... the Wii's biggest problem is the still apparent popularity of the PS2 and its similiarity to the system. If the PS3 had taken off and the PS2 had been taken out behind the woodshed, we wouldn't have even gotten GH3 and RB on the PS2. As a result, I guarantee that Wii versions would have been stepped up to compete with the 360 and the PS3.

The sad fact of it is that until people stop buying PS2 games in huge numbers, the Wii has no incentive to evolve, so to speak. That, combined with the insane popularity of the console itself is, for the forseeable future, going to lead to situations like this.
 
Its not all the PS2's fault. Its business sense. Why would they take the effort of taking the superior PS360 "full" versions and downgrading it to the Wii when they can just take the PS2 version and port it over? Its the minimal effort approach but it makes sense. Dollars and sense. OOOOH. They should have at least dropped the MSRP a bit though.

Nintendo is at fault here also. We're getting near the Wii's 2 year mark and theres no storage solution made. It hasn't even been addressed. Heavy VC supporters are screwed by having to swap games in and out. Thats bad business sense, they're not providing an HDD which consumers need and want. They haven't even given direct SD loading for a temporary solution. Its not like Harmonix doesn't want to give Wii users these features. Specifically DLC. Theres at least 60+ songs ready out the gates and its instant profit.

My biggest thing against the PS2 and Wii versions is that it'll cheapen your experience at the same cost as the more robust versions. If you intend to get a PS3 or 360 in the future, wait it out.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']

My biggest thing against the PS2 and Wii versions is that it'll cheapen your experience at the same cost as the more robust versions. If you intend to get a PS3 or 360 in the future, wait it out.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, this makes no sense to me. Gettting the game on the ps2 and/or the Wii is still a good deal. It's a great game and fun for everyone. If all you have is a ps2 or Wii, why wait another year when you could be playing now and having fun?

All of you people here already seem to have the game, and at the very least, already have a 360 or a ps3. So, your opinion on this version of the game is really irrelevant. Yeah, it's not as good as the one you have for your next gen system. So what? It's still fun and worth the money.

Gosh, the "Ps2 is so old and crappy - everyone should just stop playing it because the new games for the ps3 are so much better" argument holds no weight for people without a ps3.
 
You know, if Nintendo doesn't announce a HDD at E3 this year, I'm beginning to think that this version of Wii might never get one and that we will have Wii 1.5 with new colors and more storage announced next year for the 5 year anniversary.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']You know, if Nintendo doesn't announce a HDD at E3 this year, I'm beginning to think that this version of Wii might never get one and that we will have Wii 1.5 with new colors and more storage announced next year for the 5 year anniversary.[/quote]

The Wii has a usb slot that you can connect any usb harddrive to. There really isn't a point in releasing a harddrive. Companies can just put on the box that it requires a SD card or harddrive. They just don't want to use it except for a few exceptions.

On a different note. They could have added single player world tour or maybe a virtual air drum mod to take advantage of wiimote. It would rock all kinds of hardness to use a pair of wiimotes as virtual drumsticks. But no all they did was add four songs. Why not 40. If you only have a wii I guess you have no choice but if you have anything else including a ps2 I would past on this. The PS2 version is at least cheaper.
 
i'm technically a Wii-only owner...and the world tour is what makes the game in my opinion. the randomness of songs, combined with newly downloaded songs are what really makes RB great.

the announced Wii version is really a shame...
 
Somewhat related, FFCC on WiiWare - released today in Japan - has DLC (costumes, races, dungeons), so whether or not the storage space is there, the framework is in place.
 
Man we get the crappiest version of Rock Band. Not only is it the PS2 version but it's $10 more. Plus the instruments will probably break down just as much.


I just hope there's a 10% off coupon when it comes out which will bring it down from about $180 to about $160.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']Its business sense. Why would they take the effort of taking the superior PS360 "full" versions and downgrading it to the Wii when they can just take the PS2 version and port it over?[/quote]
Because you're more likely to sell more copies if you offer more features and don't piss off your customers? Or does that not make business sense?

--R.J.
 
[quote name='rjung']Because you're more likely to sell more copies if you offer more features and don't piss off your customers? Or does that not make business sense?

--R.J.[/QUOTE]
Not when people will buy it anyway. If you aren't going to buy it and you're pissed, they didn't piss off any customers.

Consumers, potential customers maybe, but not customers.
 
[quote name='rjung']Because you're more likely to sell more copies if you offer more features and don't piss off your customers? Or does that not make business sense?

--R.J.[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily.

The Wii is being sold to the masses, a majority of who do not follow sites like IGN, 1up, Gamespot, Kotaku and so forth.

They will have no idea they're getting a gimped version.

EA has to ask themselves if taking the time to make a Wii specific RB is worth the extra investment to get people like you and others in this thread to buy it.

I guess, they didn't see it as profitable and went the easy money route.

[quote name='SNKMat']owned[/QUOTE]
Just stop.
 
[quote name='zewone']Not necessarily.

The Wii is being sold to the masses, a majority of who do not follow sites like IGN, 1up, Gamespot, Kotaku and so forth.

They will have no idea they're getting a gimped version.

EA has to ask themselves if taking the time to make a Wii specific RB is worth the extra investment to get people like you and others in this thread to buy it.

I guess, they didn't see it as profitable and went the easy money route.
[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Oh, yeah, and it's still a fun game to play.

However, I have to add that while my whole family loves playing a gimped Rockband on the PS2, my son prefers Guitar Hero 3. The reason? He likes the extra gameplay aspects like boss battles, character customization, shopping for new guitars, etc. I guess we'll see if the quick port to the Wii was the right decision when the sales figures come out after it's released.
 
They should have just ported it to the fucking Gamecube instead, since that's pretty much we're getting anyway. If you're going to make a GCN game then just call it a GCN game.
 
[quote name='techstar25']They should have just ported it to the fucking Gamecube instead, since that's pretty much we're getting anyway. If you're going to make a GCN game then just call it a GCN game.[/quote]
Except for the fact that, unlike the PS2, no one has a Gamecube and it's not manufactured any longer. However, everyone and their grandma has a Wii. Which is why they made a version of a wildly popular and profitable game for the Wii. Which people will buy. Regardless of the feature set, especially as it compares to consoles they do not own.

No one could reasonably fault EA as a business for releasing this the way they are. As a creative force, maybe, but not as a business.
 
Some devs at EA were probably working on trying to get DLC and some other features for the Wii version. It seems obvious to me what happened.

GH: Aerosmith has a release date of 6/29.
Rock Band has a release date of 6/22.

EA decided that getting their product out the door first was more important than adding additional features to the game. Sadly, from a business standpoint they are probably right.
 
[quote name='mephitical']Except for the fact that, unlike the PS2, no one has a Gamecube and it's not manufactured any longer. However, everyone and their grandma has a Wii. Which is why they made a version of a wildly popular and profitable game for the Wii. Which people will buy. Regardless of the feature set, especially as it compares to consoles they do not own.

No one could reasonably fault EA as a business for releasing this the way they are. As a creative force, maybe, but not as a business.[/quote]
No one has a gamecube? Well I must be smoking something because there's a strange purple box sitting by my tv right now.

Wait doesn't the Wii play Gamecube games? Nah...



I do hope you realize he wasn't being literal about making for gamecube and just stating that the lack of features makes it more suitable for last generations consoles.
 
[quote name='Clarke']No one has a gamecube? Well I must be smoking something because there's a strange purple box sitting by my tv right now.

Wait doesn't the Wii play Gamecube games? Nah...



I do hope you realize he wasn't being literal about making for gamecube and just stating that the lack of features makes it more suitable for last generations consoles.[/quote]

I am sighing dramatically.
 
[quote name='mephitical']I am sighing dramatically.[/quote]
Yeah well I just farted. I hope your mouth was closed.
 
Oh, I dunno -- if you sign the petition with "fuck you Harmonix/MTV" five hundred times and it gets sent to them, someone there might actually see it, at least...

--R.J.
 
[quote name='rjung']Oh, I dunno -- if you sign the petition with "fuck you Harmonix/MTV" five hundred times and it gets sent to them, someone there might actually see it, at least...

--R.J.[/quote]
That's exactly what I did
 
I'm largely of the opinion that petition's are ineffective, at best.

That said, I was waiting for Rock Band to come to the Wii before diving in. Thinking the guitars would be of a similar design as the GHIII ones, I thought the package might be introduced at a lower price point. No such luck.

Also, it's a shame that the Wii is going to be reputed as the "inferior" console, simply because the game companies are going to reintroduce PS2-equivalent ports for the Wii. I blame the wild success of the PS2 for most of this, but also Nintendo's lackluster online system.

It's not like Rock Band is a graphics heavy, and I have little doubt that the Wii could reproduce the visuals quite faithfully. But a large part of the appeal is the DLC, which, for the moment, is - as I understand it - impossible on the Wii.

Meh, rereading this post, my thoughts seem scattered. Overall, I'll say this: I'm going to pass on this game.
 
so can someone explain why making all new, wired instrument controllers for a truly wireless console is the best answer. wouldn't designing each instrument to accept/be powered by a wii remote make them a bit cheaper, and obviously wireless, just make sense? i am really baffled by that decision over all other terrible oversights in the game itself.

i'm just seething...sorry.
 
[quote name='pasteater']so can someone explain why making all new, wired instrument controllers for a truly wireless console is the best answer. wouldn't designing each instrument to accept/be powered by a wii remote make them a bit cheaper, and obviously wireless, just make sense?[/QUOTE]
But that'd require worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk...

--R.J.
 
I would say the very least they could have done, would be give Rock Band Wii like 20 EXCLUSIVE songs not found on the other consoles. Ya know, make it somewhat special?
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Not when people will buy it anyway. If you aren't going to buy it and you're pissed, they didn't piss off any customers.

Consumers, potential customers maybe, but not customers.[/QUOTE]

... And since people are too pathetic to vote with their wallet, then they shall be p0wned by large corporations every single time.
 
Well I'm passing on this because of it's lack of well...everything, along with the fact that it costs a small fortune. But the other deturrent for me is I don't really have any friends (I just moved! I'm not weird I swear) so it would just be my wife and me playing it, so I don't really think 2 people could be called a rock band. (Is it even possible to play with 2 people or is it pretty much a Guitar Hero clone - is it even fun with 2 people?)
 
[quote name='pasteater']so can someone explain why making all new, wired instrument controllers for a truly wireless console is the best answer. wouldn't designing each instrument to accept/be powered by a wii remote make them a bit cheaper, and obviously wireless, just make sense?[/quote]

They couldn't make the instruments powered by the wii remote because they'd be requiring people to own 3 or 4 wii remotes just to play the game, which many people don't have, myself included.

I agree, this version does seem very watered down, blame EA and Nintendo. I have no intention of buying it anyway but it sucks that the console is getting so much crap, especially when it's games that are done properly for other systems. But doing it this way makes the most money for EA so what do you expect.
 
so can someone explain why making all new, wired instrument controllers for a truly wireless console is the best answer. wouldn't designing each instrument to accept/be powered by a wii remote make them a bit cheaper, and obviously wireless, just make sense? i am really baffled by that decision over all other terrible oversights in the game itself.

i'm just seething...sorry.
 
[quote name='pasteater']so can someone explain why making all new, wired instrument controllers for a truly wireless console is the best answer. wouldn't designing each instrument to accept/be powered by a wii remote make them a bit cheaper, and obviously wireless, just make sense?[/QUOTE]
But that'd require worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk...

--R.J.
 
I would say the very least they could have done, would be give Rock Band Wii like 20 EXCLUSIVE songs not found on the other consoles. Ya know, make it somewhat special?
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Not when people will buy it anyway. If you aren't going to buy it and you're pissed, they didn't piss off any customers.

Consumers, potential customers maybe, but not customers.[/QUOTE]

... And since people are too pathetic to vote with their wallet, then they shall be p0wned by large corporations every single time.
 
Well I'm passing on this because of it's lack of well...everything, along with the fact that it costs a small fortune. But the other deturrent for me is I don't really have any friends (I just moved! I'm not weird I swear) so it would just be my wife and me playing it, so I don't really think 2 people could be called a rock band. (Is it even possible to play with 2 people or is it pretty much a Guitar Hero clone - is it even fun with 2 people?)
 
[quote name='pasteater']so can someone explain why making all new, wired instrument controllers for a truly wireless console is the best answer. wouldn't designing each instrument to accept/be powered by a wii remote make them a bit cheaper, and obviously wireless, just make sense?[/quote]

They couldn't make the instruments powered by the wii remote because they'd be requiring people to own 3 or 4 wii remotes just to play the game, which many people don't have, myself included.

I agree, this version does seem very watered down, blame EA and Nintendo. I have no intention of buying it anyway but it sucks that the console is getting so much crap, especially when it's games that are done properly for other systems. But doing it this way makes the most money for EA so what do you expect.
 
Rock Band is best played on a PS3 or 360. Also, since the PS3 version is equal software wise to the 360 and song wise since the PS3 version is getting the Harmonix Pack 1 with three songs that were only on the 360. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_in_Rock_Band#Downloadable_songs

I'd say Rock Band is fun with two people. It's worth your time. I just like the create a band it's fun too. World Tour is way ahead of GH's "career" mode. But again the 360 or PS3 version is worth people's time, not the PS2 or Wii version. Well if you want the whole Rock Band game.

Ah, thankfully the wii has other games besides GH and Rock Band.
 
[quote name='rlse9']I agree, this version does seem very watered down, blame EA and Nintendo.[/QUOTE]
Why should I blame Nintendo when it's Harmonix and MTV who are slacking?

--R.J.
 
Jebus, it will STILL be a fun game regardless if it's the same as the PS2 version.

As a Wii owner who doesn't have either a PS3 or a 360, I guess I'm used to games being comparable to the PS2 or 'dumbed down'' for the Wii. PS2 graphics and non-online play are pretty much the norm. It's just not that big of a deal anymore. Why not just complain about the graphics sucking comparatively too?

I have a ps2 and bought that 'dumb' version and it's still given the family 50+(and counting) hours of fantastic gameplay. I couldn't even wait for a Wii version after trying this game, so I say, If all you have is a Wii - get this game, you won't be disappointed.
 
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=186489

[quote name=' Rob Kay, design director at Harmonix and on Rock Band']
"Come on Nintendo, we need a hard drive,"
"That's what we want. The whole problem is there's nowhere to store it."
"If the platform could do it, we'd jump on it. It's something that we championed to Nintendo, that we'd like to do it. Who knows what will happen down the line, I don't know what's coming down the line, but that's the reason there's no DLC in Wii Rock Band"[/quote]
 
[quote name='rjung']Why should I blame Nintendo when it's Harmonix and MTV who are slacking?

--R.J.[/quote]

Harmonix may have taken the easy way out and done a port of the PS2 version instead of putting effort into it, but you can't blame them for the Wii being unable to handle DLC well or the Wii's online structure being piss poor at best.
 
[quote name='Strell']That's fine, but I want to hear why they can't do it with SD cards.

Home brew nerds at home can do it in their spare time. Are you telling me that programmers who do it for a living and have devkits can't?[/quote]They could have done it without SD cards. What they won't say to people is that the smaller available space built-in to the Wii will result in less space (without people going through the effort of clearing stuff off) for owners to buy more of their DLC to give them more money. The platform is there, with or without a hard drive.
 
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