Ron Paul on the economic crisis

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX9r-L1gKQc


An excerpt of note:

“And then they have people come along and say ’see, this is the failure of capitalism’, this has nothing to do with capitalism, this is something that started off as interventionism and us being too involved in the economy for the benefit of special interests. But now it is being socialized out in the open.
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Man, if we have to have an ancient dude in office......why does it have to be McCain?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
Man, if we have to have an ancient dude in office......why does it have to be McCain?[/quote]

Because he was a POS, I mean POW, that's why!
 
In the Republican Socialists thread I said...

[quote name='Koggit']Really, though, I expect this whole crisis to teach a lot of conservatives that deregulation is not the answer. I hope the Ron Paul crazies are taking note.[/QUOTE]

I guess the Ron Paul crazies weren't taking note... not even Ron Paul was paying attention. This whole crisis does nothing but illustrate how broken his (economic libertarian) ideals are.

Anybody listening to Ron Paul (or any libertarian) right now needs to wake the fuck up.
 
Ah, yes. We do need less regulation. That would have meant that the current economic crisis would have been avoided.

Also, there's a unicorn sitting in my lap right now.
 
It's like your house catches on fire and the guy that told you to put your BBQ pit in your living room stops by to say you could save your house by pouring a little gas on it
 
Um, did you not watch the video?

He is saying that it's deregulation, in certain areas, to help out the good-ol-buddies, that caused the crisis. I think there is a lot of truth to that.

The debatable item of this economic crisis is not regulation vs deregulation. It's croanism. Both deregulation and regulation in favor of special interests caused this crisis. Some of you partisan hacks just don't want to accept that, because it implicates both parties.

If you think this was all caused by something as overly simplistic as not having enough regulation (or the opposite), perhaps it is you that needs to wake the fuck up.

Here is a hint: Any candidate right now that tells you they know exactly why it happened and exactly how they can prevent it from happening again (even Ron Paul), also likely has beach front property to sell you in antartica.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']He is saying that it's deregulation, in certain areas, to help out the good-ol-buddies, that caused the crisis.[/QUOTE]
In the body of recorded human history, there is no fix for that. It is impossible to take on and always has been from the very beginning. Cronyism cannot be fixed and while talking about it or even pointing to it as a major cause is fine and can be debated, it cannot and will not ever be more than that.
 
This crisis is a long time in the making. We've been giving out easy money coupled with deregulation.

Under Ron Paul, I don't believe there would be a central bank able to manipulate the price of money.

If government types could accept a lower GDP some of the time instead of constantly intervening, we wouldn't be in this mess.

This problem is literally akin to living off of credit cards while out of work for several years.

When credit is cut off, you're screwed.
 
[quote name='speedracer']In the body of recorded human history, there is no fix for that. It is impossible to take on and always has been from the very beginning. Cronyism cannot be fixed and while talking about it or even pointing to it as a major cause is fine and can be debated, it cannot and will not ever be more than that.[/quote]

If we're going to have a central bank and not crush people for cronyism or cooking the books, we need regulation.
 
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also, a good read is Ron Paul's The Revolution: A Manifesto

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The problems we face today are not problems our generation nor the previous 2 generations could've fixed alone. It's something our Great & Great-Great Grandfathers should've started fixing back in their day. Once we understand that then we can start on the righteous path of taking down this beast known as the Federal Reserve. Until then, all what we're doing is just putting off the inevitable.


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[quote name='Koggit']It's like your house catches on fire and the guy that told you to put your BBQ pit in your living room stops by to say you could save your house by pouring a little gas on it[/quote]

Going along with that analogy, think, so who told you it was A-OK to build that house out of sticks & straw?

c'mon little piggy... think!

If it was Ron Paul, he would've advised you to build that house out of bricks. :D

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Now, i'll huff, and puff, and bloooooooooooooow your argument down!
 
Ron Pauls solution to our economy would have been much better than our current system. It would not have been the solve-all solution some people think it would be though. I think the American Monetary Institute has the best answer. http://www.monetary.org/
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Probably because you were offering to give a link to a copyrighted audio book.....[/quote]

Yes, i have been authoritatively informed by our resident forum nazi Shrike4242 that torrents are prohibited. So out of respect for this forum's rules I will comply.

But, I think there is a way we can both come to a compromise. I have come across a new system called P1ZZA (.pizza) It is a method of distribution solely for legal, COPYRIGHT FREE material. There is actually a Ron Paul (.pizza) file I found and what it offers is a copyright free sample, aka free slice of his audiobook.

Free slice? Get it? Pizza? Pizza = good!!!
Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/147683641/Ron_Paul_-_The_Revolution.pizza
 
[quote name='level1online']So out of respect for this forum's rules I will comply.[/quote]You obviously don't respect the forum rules.

I've removed the element from your post that wasn't an "issue" and inserted it into your post above. I hope that'll resolve the "issue" you have.
 
[quote name='Koggit']It's like your house catches on fire and the guy that told you to put your BBQ pit in your living room stops by to say you could save your house by pouring a little gas on it[/quote]

i am surprised how people hear a new idea and get scared and automatically label it as bad.
Pauls got my vote , writting him in.
he's just old skool lol really old skool the way it should would and could be, ya know. i show my Dad some of pauls videos and he usually comments and every ones gonna own a puppy right? lol
but i like the kinda radically different ideas from what i have grown up in.
 
[quote name='solid snake']i am surprised how people hear a new idea and get scared and automatically label it as bad.
...
he's just old skool lol really old skool[/quote]Quoi?

[quote name='solid snake']i show my Dad some of pauls videos and he usually comments and every ones gonna own a puppy right? lol
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Quoi?
 
[quote name='solid snake']i am surprised how people hear a new idea and get scared and automatically label it as bad.
Pauls got my vote , writting him in.
he's just old skool lol really old skool the way it should would and could be, ya know. i [/QUOTE]

That's because most people around here are progressives. Being old school, to them, is regressive.
 
From the Ron Paul campaign:

Wednesday, September 24, 2008
 Dear Friends,
 Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.
 The events of the past week are no exception.
 The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."
 That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable.
 The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!
 • The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.
 • Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.
 • Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.
 There goes your country.
 Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.
 Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.
 Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.
 The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?
 When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?
 Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.
 In liberty,
 Ron Paul
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']From the Ron Paul campaign:

Wednesday, September 24, 2008
 Dear Friends,
 Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.
 The events of the past week are no exception.
 The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."
 That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable.
 The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!
 • The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.
 • Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.
 • Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.
 There goes your country.
 Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.
 Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.
 Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.
 The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?
 When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?
 Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.
 In liberty,
 Ron Paul
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I don't agree with Paul on everything, but he hit the nail absolutely on the head here. I could not have summarized this economic bail out better. We are witnessing history in the making.

My favorite quote:
It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect.
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He's on point for sure.

Listening to Paulson and Bernanke peddle PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! the past few days, I keep getting the feeling that the US is being mugged, man.

Or like a $700B nigerian scam.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']He's on point for sure.

Listening to Paulson and Bernanke peddle PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! the past few days, I keep getting the feeling that the US is being mugged, man.

Or like a $700B nigerian scam.[/QUOTE]

I'm kind of torn over the issue. On the surface I don't like it at all. The government should not bail out corporations who are going down because of their own mistakes (or bail out home owners who got bigger mortgages than they can afford etc.).

But on the other hand, I do see how it can hurt the overall economy--people who were fiscally responsible seeing their investments take a huge hit as the market crashes, harder times getting legit loans one can afford, lay offs etc.

But I just don't know if it will be as bad as all this PANIC! stuff they're spewing. I'm not an economist so I don't really know whether to buy into that or the others saying the market will run it's course and things will be fine.

That said, it just seems awful risky to put all that tax payer money in to corporations with a ton of bad assets that have them on the verge of bankruptcy.
 
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[quote name='thrustbucket']I don't agree with Paul on everything, but he hit the nail absolutely on the head here. I could not have summarized this economic bail out better. We are witnessing history in the making.

My favorite quote:[/quote]

:applause:Paul is deffinitly a Smart man, i wasent sure if id like him at first when i saw his videos about a year ago because i thought he wasetn different enough now i absolutly love the points he makes. i see that this guy dose Actually Factually Care about us all as a People.:bouncy:
 
The end of that video is pretty interesting. The two candidates that were ranked the highest as having "won" the debate, were also disregarded as viable candidates the quickest in the campaign. Makes you wonder.
 
Ron Paul: Greenspan, Bernanke Should Be Criminally Charged

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Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, September 26, 2008

Congressman Ron Paul says that the bailout bill is likely to pass, heralding a 10-year plus economic depression for America and the potential for martial law should civil unrest arise as the financial meltdown worsens.

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Speaking on The Alex Jones Show, Paul said of the bailout, “They want dictatorship, they want to pass all the penalties and suffering on to the average person on Main Street,” adding, “We will have a depression or recession, it’s locked in place due to previous Federal Reserve actions.”

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“When they say that if we don’t do exactly as they say and turn over more of our money and more of our liberties and exempt themselves from any court in the whole nation, they’re trying to intimidate us and lead us into doing the wrong thing,” said Paul.

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The Congressman added that serious problems would arise if nothing was done to address the problem, but that more serious consequences would follow should the bailout be passed.

article continues:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-congress-has-opted-for-10-year-plus-depression.html​
 
freedom.....freedom....rights...rights....deregulation......freedom......freedom...........

-ron paul (rallying the internet around vague and undefined words since 2007)


brought to you by the People for defending the indefensible
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, look. Another C&P job from the tinfoil HuffPo brigade.[/quote]

whatever, you arrogant closet neo-con. the world doesn't revolve around you, and my posts are not directed solely at you. they are directed to people with an open mind and are willing to step out of their paradigm.

so why are you responding to my posts like i'm trying to reach out to you or something?

and why are you trying to deter people from clicking on the info i provide?

[quote name='gareman']freedom.....freedom....rights...rights....deregulation......freedom......freedom...........

-ron paul (rallying the internet around vague and undefined words since 2007)


brought to you by the People for defending the indefensible[/quote]

Don't confuse Ron Paul supporters with the man himself. He does have a lot more to say than "freedom" "rights" "constitution" "small government"

Go read or listen to his book. I did put a free link to it but forum nazis like mykevermin & co. reported me and had some moderator dipshit take it down.

You see, alot of people here support Obama, the least they could is say "Yo Level1, you read Obama's book yet? Here, i'll send you a free link. check it out, it's good stuff."

Nah, instead we get little bitch ass responses like "it's copyright protected...waaaaah...." & "capitalism failed and it's the reason why the economy sucks... waaaaah..." & "you wear a tin foil hat.... waaaah...." & "let's play a gay little drinking game while the debate is on.... waaaaah... Ronald Reagan!!!"
 
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[quote name='level1online']whatever, you arrogant closet neo-con. the world doesn't revolve around you, and my posts are not directed solely at you. they are directed to people with an open mind and are willing to step out of their paradigm.

so why are you responding to my posts like i'm trying to reach out to you or something?

and why are you trying to deter people from clicking on the info i provide?[/quote]

What is relevant about this crap?

What makes it any different than Dennis Kucinich seeking to impeach Bush?

Or the arguments of the guy who wrote the book about why George Bush is criminally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans.

See, the difference is that most of us are aware that Kucinich is politically posturing, while you make the mistake of thinking that Ron Paul genuinely (1) believes what he says, (2) is NOT politically posturing (which makes you the biggest sort of mark, and (3) that his radical ideas are worth looking into, because we need to make sure that the kinds of things that may happen despite there being no sound evidence of ("Amero," for one) should be prevented.

You're being worked, you're a fucking mark. Get used to it.

Go read or listen to his book. I did put a free link to it but forum nazis like mykevermin & co. reported me and had some moderator dipshit take it down.

You see, alot of people here support Obama, the least they could is say "Yo Level1, you read Obama's book yet? Here, i'll send you a free link. check it out, it's good stuff."

Nah, instead we get little bitch ass responses like "it's copyright protected...waaaaah...." & "capitalism failed and it's the reason why the economy sucks... waaaaah..." & "you wear a tin foil hat.... waaaah...." & "let's play a gay little drinking game while the debate is on.... waaaaah... Ronald Reagan!!!"
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Well, as long as you're being substantive.

Let's see you put up a torrent for, say, Halo 3, and see how long you last on this site. You're violating the terms of this site, and the spirit of free market capitalism (;)) by distributing copyrighted content. I didn't report this post, but link to another copyrighted torrent again and I'll be happy to do so.
 
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now i do support ron paul but didnt allways know about him. actually just me going and researching our history my self made me feel like we have been duped by media and govt. i dont wear a foil hat, i dunno what a foil hat would be good for any way is that just a sterotypical thing people use now or is that what you really think people that want to have our rights like the founders intended do is wear foil hats and sit and worry about Lizzard people and 2012 cause thats not me.
what is going on right now in America is a massive Patriotic Awakening, we see that our Govt. dosent all ways care about us and there is afar amount of corruption. I am not one of those bush haters all though i do believe what he says most of the time is from a script.

heres a few qoutes that i really identify with :
"every generation needs a new Revolution"- Thomas jefferson

"if by mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view,justify revolution"- Abraham Lincoln

"our toys have changed but man has stayed the same"- Pokerface

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible,make violent revolution inevitable"- John Fitzgerald Kennedy

All ways rememeber its the republic for which it stands not the democracy
 
[quote name='level1online']whatever, you arrogant closet neo-con. the world doesn't revolve around you, and my posts are not directed solely at you. they are directed to people with an open mind and are willing to step out of their paradigm.

so why are you responding to my posts like i'm trying to reach out to you or something?

and why are you trying to deter people from clicking on the info i provide?



Don't confuse Ron Paul supporters with the man himself. He does have a lot more to say than "freedom" "rights" "constitution" "small government"

Go read or listen to his book. I did put a free link to it but forum nazis like mykevermin & co. reported me and had some moderator dipshit take it down.

You see, alot of people here support Obama, the least they could is say "Yo Level1, you read Obama's book yet? Here, i'll send you a free link. check it out, it's good stuff."

Nah, instead we get little bitch ass responses like "it's copyright protected...waaaaah...." & "capitalism failed and it's the reason why the economy sucks... waaaaah..." & "you wear a tin foil hat.... waaaah...." & "let's play a gay little drinking game while the debate is on.... waaaaah... Ronald Reagan!!!"[/QUOTE]


You assume that I did not just the last 4 weeks of class analyzing several speeches in extreme depth. Paul is one of the worst politicians when it comes to using political nonsense and jargon. He can say so much and yet nothing at all.
 
[quote name='gareman']You assume that I did not just the last 4 weeks of class analyzing several speeches in extreme depth. Paul is one of the worst politicians when it comes to using political nonsense and jargon. He can say so much and yet nothing at all.[/quote]


now thats funny i dont have a "class" but i study the politics alot and i read as much as i can,i listened to alot of the debates and mccain and obama kept using the words 911 over and over again for justifacation of loosing rights and i dont recall hearing paul use 911 for justifying anything. i do hear paul saying in debates that a war should only be fought against a invading force or or in self defense of a Attack. what we are doing now is a offensive war , or a Conquest to take the world and turn it into what the govt. wants.

see i believe in soverignty, the way our country was intended and the way others should be aloud to live. would make us all a happy buncha people!:D
 
Manchester, NH. Tuesday, January 8th, 2008.

"Ladies and gentlemen, thank you … thank you very much … thank you …

Good people of New Hampshire, I stand before you today with two things: a simple message and a dire need.

The message is one that I’ve been delivering for nearly 40 years. It’s a message that I know is familiar to you, it’s your state motto: “Live Free or Die”. Yes, it’s a little strange for me to be delivering your own motto to you, but that’s where the dire need comes in, so bear with me. The people of New Hampshire are needed. The people of New Hampshire are desperately needed. America needs you to stand up and say that enough is enough. America needs you to live up to your reputation and put your votes where your mouths are. American needs you to exemplify the “Live Free or Die” philosophy. You’ve lived under the motto, now America needs you to live the motto.

We’ve reached a point, in this country, where small, incremental changes have chipped away at our personal freedoms. We’ve reached a point, in this country, where huge, sweeping mistakes have destroyed our international reputation. We’ve reached a point , in this country, where our economy is grinding to a halt, our currency is collapsing and our prosperity is disappearing.

America needs New Hampshire to say “Enough!” America needs New Hampshire to claim back our freedoms.

(Pause - applause)

The country’s need is strong enough that I’m going to be blunt with you here; you only have two choices in the Republican Party Primary. You can vote for me or you can continue to see your country’s future squandered. Now, I’ll admit I’m not much of a politician. I’m not smooth, polished or particularly inspiring speaker but I don’t need to be … because the message of freedom speaks for itself!

(Pause - cheering)

I am the only Republican candidate who voted against the war. (Pause - cheering)

I have never voted to provide more funding for the war. (Pause - cheering)

Most importantly, listen carefully to this, when I am elected I will bring our troops back home to their families. I will end this war! (Pause - pandemonium)

You want freedom? I support legalizing drugs and abolishing the IRS! (Pause - shouting, cheering)

You want prosperity? I will restore this country’s economic power with responsible fiscal policies. You know? Like a Republican is supposed to. (Pause - laughter)

You want honesty, integrity and commitment? I’ve been married to my lovely wife for 50 years and I’ve been a congressman for 40 of those years. I’ve voted according to the constitution without exception, for those 40 years because that’s what I was elected to do! (Pause - cheering)

The time has come, New Hampshire, for you to decide whether “Live Free or Die” is a motto or a way of life. The time has come, New Hampshire, for you to decide whether our future will be filled with freedom or fear, prosperity or war, truth and honesty or more of the same we’ve been getting for 8 years.

Enough is enough New Hampshire.

New Hampshire, there isn’t another candidate who supports freedom like I do. There isn’t another candidate who has a track recording of voting for freedom like I do. So I ask you today, New Hampshire, are you ready? Are you ready to stand up and be counted? Are you ready to lead our country out of this dark hour? Is it just a motto New Hampshire, or are you truly ready to Live Free or Die?

Thank you. Thank you. (etc)'

While he doesn't use 9/11 he certainly uses a lot of "positive" political jargon without defining it or giving clear examples of it. Freedom is not always a good thing, and Paul (and others) seem to forget that there are two major Freedoms--Freedom to and Freedom from.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What is relevant about this crap?

What makes it any different than Dennis Kucinich seeking to impeach Bush?

Or the arguments of the guy who wrote the book about why George Bush is criminally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans.

See, the difference is that most of us are aware that Kucinich is politically posturing, while you make the mistake of thinking that Ron Paul genuinely (1) believes what he says, (2) is NOT politically posturing (which makes you the biggest sort of mark, and (3) that his radical ideas are worth looking into, because we need to make sure that the kinds of things that may happen despite there being no sound evidence of ("Amero," for one) should be prevented.

You're being worked, you're a fucking mark. Get used to it.



Well, as long as you're being substantive.

Let's see you put up a torrent for, say, Halo 3, and see how long you last on this site. You're violating the terms of this site, and the spirit of free market capitalism (;)) by distributing copyrighted content. I didn't report this post, but link to another copyrighted torrent again and I'll be happy to do so.[/quote]

what is a "mark" ? is that a wrestling term? i went to high school with some pricks who played "online fantasy wrestling" and i heard them use that term once or twice.

Yes, in some respects Kucinich and Paul do politically posture. Remember, about 30% of their base are still living in candy land. Same goes for McCain and Obama, but for them it's about 80% still living in candy. So I guess the argument comes down to "Who's bullshit smells the best?" right? Hell, even without all glitz and glamor all the news media outlets provide, Ron Paul's bullshit still smells a whole lot better than McCain and Obama.... combined.

And if you think this is an irrelevenant discussion, than why are you even here on this thread? Isn't there some Gay Marriage or Pickle Tossing thread you should be attending to?

Let me explain to you the relevence. The rest of the people in this world outside the United States need to know that there are people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich out there with a strong following. So when the shit hits the fan, the general sentiment of the world won't be "Well, those fuckers deserved it. Those tards elected (Obama/McCain) Let it all burn!"

The rest of the world is beginning to understand that a criminal elite has seized power of our economy & military, and the American people should not be the ones to blame. Yes, alot of these documentaries I've posted that you scoffed at are making their way across the world and being widely accepted & translated into various languages. And they're even making it into the hands of some of our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan. Remember that little stunt "Send games to troops" ? What if I told you that some of those games were purposefully mislabeled? So some troop thinks he just got a free copy of Call of Duty 4, but when he pops it in, it's End Game, Loose Change 3, or Zietgiest....

Btw, the name of the guy who wrote that book about convicting GW is called Vincent Bugliosi. It's called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder Oh wait... it's irrelevant... I forgot... you're a closet neo-con.

BOMB! BOMB! BOMB!

BOMB! BOMB! IRAN!

right?

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I've always wondered, is that guy in your avatar The Big Show?

When the hell did he dress up with a hat and cigar? or is that the magic of photoshop and online fantasy wrestling?
 
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[quote name='gareman']Manchester, NH. Tuesday, January 8th, 2008.

"Ladies and gentlemen, thank you … thank you very much … thank you …

Good people of New Hampshire, I stand before you today with two things: a simple message and a dire need.

The message is one that I’ve been delivering for nearly 40 years. It’s a message that I know is familiar to you, it’s your state motto: “Live Free or Die”. Yes, it’s a little strange for me to be delivering your own motto to you, but that’s where the dire need comes in, so bear with me. The people of New Hampshire are needed. The people of New Hampshire are desperately needed. America needs you to stand up and say that enough is enough. America needs you to live up to your reputation and put your votes where your mouths are. American needs you to exemplify the “Live Free or Die” philosophy. You’ve lived under the motto, now America needs you to live the motto.

We’ve reached a point, in this country, where small, incremental changes have chipped away at our personal freedoms. We’ve reached a point, in this country, where huge, sweeping mistakes have destroyed our international reputation. We’ve reached a point , in this country, where our economy is grinding to a halt, our currency is collapsing and our prosperity is disappearing.

America needs New Hampshire to say “Enough!” America needs New Hampshire to claim back our freedoms.

(Pause - applause)

The country’s need is strong enough that I’m going to be blunt with you here; you only have two choices in the Republican Party Primary. You can vote for me or you can continue to see your country’s future squandered. Now, I’ll admit I’m not much of a politician. I’m not smooth, polished or particularly inspiring speaker but I don’t need to be … because the message of freedom speaks for itself!

(Pause - cheering)

I am the only Republican candidate who voted against the war. (Pause - cheering)

I have never voted to provide more funding for the war. (Pause - cheering)

Most importantly, listen carefully to this, when I am elected I will bring our troops back home to their families. I will end this war! (Pause - pandemonium)

You want freedom? I support legalizing drugs and abolishing the IRS! (Pause - shouting, cheering)

You want prosperity? I will restore this country’s economic power with responsible fiscal policies. You know? Like a Republican is supposed to. (Pause - laughter)

You want honesty, integrity and commitment? I’ve been married to my lovely wife for 50 years and I’ve been a congressman for 40 of those years. I’ve voted according to the constitution without exception, for those 40 years because that’s what I was elected to do! (Pause - cheering)

The time has come, New Hampshire, for you to decide whether “Live Free or Die” is a motto or a way of life. The time has come, New Hampshire, for you to decide whether our future will be filled with freedom or fear, prosperity or war, truth and honesty or more of the same we’ve been getting for 8 years.

Enough is enough New Hampshire.

New Hampshire, there isn’t another candidate who supports freedom like I do. There isn’t another candidate who has a track recording of voting for freedom like I do. So I ask you today, New Hampshire, are you ready? Are you ready to stand up and be counted? Are you ready to lead our country out of this dark hour? Is it just a motto New Hampshire, or are you truly ready to Live Free or Die?

Thank you. Thank you. (etc)'

While he doesn't use 9/11 he certainly uses a lot of "positive" political jargon without defining it or giving clear examples of it. Freedom is not always a good thing, and Paul (and others) seem to forget that there are two major Freedoms--Freedom to and Freedom from.[/quote]

sorry but freedom is allways a good thing. now its immorality and ignorence that allows us to be kept in political bondage.
i understand alot of what he was saying, telling them they havent lived there motto they arent free the motto just says they are, and as far as the drugs and irs thing if we are a moral people this wont be a problem, think about it.
 
[quote name='level1online']what is a "mark" ? is that a wrestling term? i went to high school with some pricks who played "online fantasy wrestling" and i heard them use that term once or twice.

Yes, in some respects Kucinich and Paul do politically posture. Remember, about 30% of their base are still living in candy land. Same goes for McCain and Obama, but for them it's about 80% still living in candy. So I guess the argument comes down to "Who's bullshit smells the best?" right? Hell, even without all glitz and glamor all the news media outlets provide, Ron Paul's bullshit still smells a whole lot better than McCain and Obama.... combined.

And if you think this is an irrelevenant discussion, than why are you even here on this thread? Isn't there some Gay Marriage or Pickle Tossing thread you should be attending to?

Let me explain to you the relevence. The rest of the people in this world outside the United States need to know that there are people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich out there with a strong following. So when the shit hits the fan, the general sentiment of the world won't be "Well, those fuckers deserved it. Those tards elected (Obama/McCain) Let it all burn!"

The rest of the world is beginning to understand that a criminal elite has seized power of our economy & military, and the American people should not be the ones to blame. Yes, alot of these documentaries I've posted that you scoffed at are making their way across the world and being widely accepted & translated into various languages. And they're even making it into the hands of some of our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan. Remember that little stunt "Send games to troops" ? What if I told you that some of those games were purposefully mislabeled? So some troop thinks he just got a free copy of Call of Duty 4, but when he pops it in, it's End Game, Loose Change 3, or Zietgiest....

Btw, the name of the guy who wrote that book about convicting GW is called Vincent Bugliosi. It's called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder Oh wait... it's irrelevant... I forgot... you're a closet neo-con.

BOMB! BOMB! BOMB!

BOMB! BOMB! IRAN!

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I've always wondered, is that guy in your avatar The Big Show?

When the hell did he dress up with a hat and cigar? or is that the magic of photoshop and online fantasy wrestling?[/quote]


ya i agree with you i wanna show the world that the people here dont wanna take over there country and bomb kill and rape with the U.N. at our side. its our govt. they have begun taking off on some bullllllll shit.

maybe wed have a few less enemies if you kept our noses in our own shit.
 
[quote name='gareman']You assume that I did not just the last 4 weeks of class analyzing several speeches in extreme depth. Paul is one of the worst politicians when it comes to using political nonsense and jargon. He can say so much and yet nothing at all.[/quote]

Interesting. Are you able to post the papers you wrote?

Also, who chose Paul as the class assignment? You or the professor?

Were you only restricted to analyzing speeches? What about radio/tv interviews or debates?

If it was you who chose Paul, what was your Prof's reaction? classmates reaction?

Also, I'm posting two clips, can I get your analysis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8
 
it's easy to say something that everyone wants to hear or even to sound smart when you and the whole world knows you aren't going to win the election.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']it's easy to say something that everyone wants to hear or even to sound smart when you and the whole world knows you aren't going to win the election.[/quote]
idunno i think he might win with write ins there are many more peopel finding out about about him. but even if he won he wont be elected this whole scame is a fkin sham buncah overpowered basterds in our govt.
 
[quote name='level1online']what is a "mark" ? is that a wrestling term? i went to high school with some pricks who played "online fantasy wrestling" and i heard them use that term once or twice.[/quote]

Yes. But it's origin is in the carnival. A 'mark' is someone who's hooked into whatever institution is trying to hook them. "This way to the egress" indeed, you know. I'm a mark for the...whatever sort of shady Power Elite you find to be the culprit at the moment, I suppose. Bilderberg, The Jews, The Non-Jew Zionists, The Burger King, Congress, Alien Space Whores, Type O Negative, The Bush Administration, The Other Bush Administration, Rutherford B Hayes Has a Motherfuckin' Posse. Whomever it is at the moment.

Yes, in some respects Kucinich and Paul do politically posture. Remember, about 30% of their base are still living in candy land. Same goes for McCain and Obama, but for them it's about 80% still living in candy. So I guess the argument comes down to "Who's bullshit smells the best?" right? Hell, even without all glitz and glamor all the news media outlets provide, Ron Paul's bullshit still smells a whole lot better than McCain and Obama.... combined.
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30%? 80%? Care to source those numbers? Otherwise I'm seeing that tired and flawed means of trying to impose factual valuation (statistics) onto a situation where you're just expressing your opinion, or what makes you feel better.

And if you think this is an irrelevenant discussion, than why are you even here on this thread? Isn't there some Gay Marriage or Pickle Tossing thread you should be attending to?
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It's to point out how hackneyed, conspiratorial, and unproveable your theories are. Your arguments of the NAFTA Superhighway, or the Amero, or war with Iran, are no different than the "George W Bush has succeeded because we haven't been attacked in the US again!" bullshit. It's an argument with no evidence that effort has been made towards the highway, uniform currency, or an attack on the states. Now, we know people in our government are salivating to bomb Iran. But it's incorrect, something you can't demonstrate the proof of, and pure folly to argue that it's inevitable and that politicians have the same sort of vitriol towards that country.

Why am I here? Because you're an absolute, unadulterated bullshit artist who should be held accountable for your dumbass fucking claims. Whether it's the Amero or "9/11 Was an Inside Job," you don't provide evidence - you just link to another Ron Paul video, or another C&P article from Alex Jones. If you're going to cite radio hosts as evidence, the least you could do is go classy and cull from the Art Bell archives, instead of citing things from this fat hillbilly Orson Welles wannabe.

Let me explain to you the relevence. The rest of the people in this world outside the United States need to know that there are people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich out there with a strong following. So when the shit hits the fan, the general sentiment of the world won't be "Well, those fuckers deserved it. Those tards elected (Obama/McCain) Let it all burn!"

The rest of the world is beginning to understand that a criminal elite has seized power of our economy & military, and the American people should not be the ones to blame. Yes, alot of these documentaries I've posted that you scoffed at are making their way across the world and being widely accepted & translated into various languages. And they're even making it into the hands of some of our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan. Remember that little stunt "Send games to troops" ? What if I told you that some of those games were purposefully mislabeled? So some troop thinks he just got a free copy of Call of Duty 4, but when he pops it in, it's End Game, Loose Change 3, or Zietgiest....
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Wow. Yeah... Sure thing, pops. I'm sure Ron Paul would draw a crowd of 200,000 in Germany, just like Obama did.

Look. You're just cherry picking your nutjob ilk and saying "SEE! THE WORLD KNOWS IT TOO!" which is a naive sort of argument. I can't single out Democrat voters and make reference to "the rest of the Us is beginning to understand that the Republicans are....." because it isn't true.

Your suggestion that the world would (1) accept Paul over Obama is laughably incorrect, and that (2) those who WOULD attack us in the US would suddenly think twice if Paul were elected is so laughably pathetic that I'm beginning to simply feel sorry for you instead of feel ire towards your conspiracies.

If anyone should suspend their "campaign," hombre, it's you.

I bet those troops are fuckin' pissed. You're like those christian fucks who leave a "tip" on the table at a restaurant, but it's a folded up religious pamphlet that looks like money from a distance. The worst part is that you pricks think you're not being a fucking prick, but "doing someone a favor." Well, myah. You're a fucking twat. Why couldn't you just pirate a copy of "Grand Theft Auto" and send that with the game? It would have cost you 10 cents more over sending them a copy of "S2E4 of Tinfoil Hat Motherfuckers In Heat." If you're going to be *cough* "SUB-VER-SIVE" you have to do it nicely. If you think that anybody watched that crap, then you should believe that I won't report your ass the next time you link to a torrent.

Self-righteous cheap-ass fuckin prick. I hated those fuckin' christians' phony sense of self-satisfaction. I'll be sure to hand a $4000 pile of pamphlets to the fuckin' electric company or grocery store and see how far THE POWER OF JESUS gets me in the real world.

Btw, the name of the guy who wrote that book about convicting GW is called Vincent Bugliosi. It's called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder Oh wait... it's irrelevant... I forgot... you're a closet neo-con.
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Nope. I did try to look it up, so I was curious what the name was.

BOMB! BOMB! BOMB!

BOMB! BOMB! IRAN!

right?
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wrong. But, hey, let's make dichotomies! You're with us or against us, right? Part of the solution or part of the problem, right? A tinfoil hat wearing nutjob or someone who's going to vote for a potential winner in November, right!

I've always wondered, is that guy in your avatar The Big Show?
No. It's "Big Bully Busick."
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[quote name='solid snake']idunno i think he might win with write ins there are many more peopel finding out about about him. but even if he won he wont be elected this whole scame is a fkin sham buncah overpowered basterds in our govt.[/QUOTE]

there is no scam for the independents...sorry to break it to you. write ins will never win a presidential election... IMO if I was running for president I would tell everyone that:

1. I'd get rid of the lobbyists. The lobbyists are destroying the foundation of the gov't. It's no longer what's best for the country, it's what's best for their man purses.

2. I'd penalize outsourcing, and reward local employment. It's time America starts making things again instead of having other countries do it for them.

3. Sure up the tax loopholes. Obama is right about that.

4. Legalize marijuana. Tax the shit out of it. More money to fix the financial debt.

5. Fix the malpractice problems and how much it's costing for the good doctors to make healthcare more affordable. Also make prescription medications cheaper or if it can't be cheaper, make sure there are cheaper alternatives available.

6. Spend how ever much time to go over the financial books of the gov't spending with the best financial planners available. I'm sure there are a ton of programs that the gov't is just throwing money at. We need to fix that.

7. Education is a problem in the country. There are people teaching kids today that don't care. We need to get people in there that care about these kids futures and will help them succeed. We need to create programs to make college affordable for everyone.



but I know I won't have to do all this work because I'll never get elected, even though these are issues that need to be addressed. I have more but I didn't want to write a book.
 
I don't totally agree with you, DJSteel, but I like you because of your avatar, and I'm bored. So here goes:

[quote name='DJSteel']it's easy to say something that everyone wants to hear or even to sound smart when you and the whole world knows you aren't going to win the election.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='DJSteel']there is no scam for the independents...sorry to break it to you. write ins will never win a presidential election... IMO if I was running for president I would tell everyone that: [/quote]

I agree with you that write ins can never win an election. But I'm at the point now where I'd rather join the growing group of others totally disenfranchised by the donkey and elephant, that it might be worth sending a message to the country, gov, and media through a write in.

In other words, voting for the lesser of two evils (as most admit to doing) only continues evil, and doesn't really change shit.

1. I'd get rid of the lobbyists. The lobbyists are destroying the foundation of the gov't. It's no longer what's best for the country, it's what's best for their man purses.
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Couldn't agree more. Lobyists are directly tied to the root of corruption that's overtaken gov.

2. I'd penalize outsourcing, and reward local employment. It's time America starts making things again instead of having other countries do it for them.
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On the surface, I'd agree. But this would have to be handled delicately. Doing this quickly would make the prices of almost everything skyrocket way past what J6P can afford. I prefer handling this with INCENTIVES to keep labor here, if possible.

3. Sure up the tax loopholes. Obama is right about that.
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I think everyone loves the idea of closing loopholes - everywhere in government. But we need to also examine exactly what the ramifications of doing so will be. I.E., if Corporation X can no longer save tens of millions by doing Y, they may not be able to afford to keep 3 of their campuses open, which makes your number 2 even worse.

4. Legalize marijuana. Tax the shit out of it. More money to fix the financial debt.
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I haven't given this a lot of thought. I guess I don't care. But we should also be taxing the shit out of cigarettes and booze too.

5. Fix the malpractice problems and how much it's costing for the good doctors to make healthcare more affordable. Also make prescription medications cheaper or if it can't be cheaper, make sure there are cheaper alternatives available.
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I'm ok with this. But this heavily ties into number 1. The solution goes hand in hand, imo.

6. Spend how ever much time to go over the financial books of the gov't spending with the best financial planners available. I'm sure there are a ton of programs that the gov't is just throwing money at. We need to fix that.
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Totally agree. It's far worse than you can possibly imagine. Seriously. At this point I believe possibly as much as 60% of government spending or existance isn't really necessary. This opinion comes from knowing several people in D.C. or working for the gov and their stories.

7. Education is a problem in the country. There are people teaching kids today that don't care. We need to get people in there that care about these kids futures and will help them succeed. We need to create programs to make college affordable for everyone.
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I'm ok with this on the surface, but I'm picky about how you carry it out. In a nutshell, I'd prefer to see school funding and oversight mostly shifted to local levels, if possible.



but I know I won't have to do all this work because I'll never get elected, even though these are issues that need to be addressed. I have more but I didn't want to write a book.
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Same here, brother.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I don't totally agree with you, DJSteel, but I like you because of your avatar, and I'm bored. So here goes:






I agree with you that write ins can never win an election. But I'm at the point now where I'd rather join the growing group of others totally disenfranchised by the donkey and elephant, that it might be worth sending a message to the country, gov, and media through a write in.

In other words, voting for the lesser of two evils (as most admit to doing) only continues evil, and doesn't really change shit.


Couldn't agree more. Lobyists are directly tied to the root of corruption that's overtaken gov.


On the surface, I'd agree. But this would have to be handled delicately. Doing this quickly would make the prices of almost everything skyrocket way past what J6P can afford. I prefer handling this with INCENTIVES to keep labor here, if possible.


I think everyone loves the idea of closing loopholes - everywhere in government. But we need to also examine exactly what the ramifications of doing so will be. I.E., if Corporation X can no longer save tens of millions by doing Y, they may not be able to afford to keep 3 of their campuses open, which makes your number 2 even worse.


I haven't given this a lot of thought. I guess I don't care. But we should also be taxing the shit out of cigarettes and booze too.


I'm ok with this. But this heavily ties into number 1. The solution goes hand in hand, imo.


Totally agree. It's far worse than you can possibly imagine. Seriously. At this point I believe possibly as much as 60% of government spending or existance isn't really necessary. This opinion comes from knowing several people in D.C. or working for the gov and their stories.


I'm ok with this on the surface, but I'm picky about how you carry it out. In a nutshell, I'd prefer to see school funding and oversight mostly shifted to local levels, if possible.





Same here, brother.[/QUOTE]

nice.. we agree on a lot of things.. and if actually spent some time explaining my ideas, I'm sure we agree on everything.. I will explain this more.. once teachers make tenure or get comfortable in a district, they tend to relax their teaching and their strategies.. teachers should always be able to implement and even recognize the best approach to educating the youth. Maybe have monthly random critiques by the principal or outside contractors much like Joint Commissions with Hospital Equipment and their maintenance. Also they need to pay teachers more. They are grossly underpaid...
 
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