ROP Update: Ban Indecent Music! Start With Kenny G!

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PittsburghAfterDark

CAGiversary!
I don't know whether or not to really fault those insane kooks for this list of music they've declared indecent. I'm not sure indecent is the right word. Terrible yes, indecent? Kenny G?

And you thought they were just insane for saying the Holocaust never happened, Israel should be moved to Europe and/or pushed into the sea.

Silly Islamic state, Trix are for kids.

By NASSER KARIMI
Dec 19 1:59 PM US/Eastern

- Hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has banned Western music from Iran's radio and TV stations, reviving one of the harshest cultural decrees from the early days of 1979 Islamic Revolution. Songs such as George Michael's "Careless Whisper," Eric Clapton's "Rush" and the Eagles' "Hotel California" have regularly accompanied Iranian broadcasts, as do tunes by saxophonist Kenny G.

But the official IRAN Persian daily reported Monday that Ahmadinejad, as head of Iran's Supreme Cultural Revolutionary Council, ordered the enactment of an October ruling by the council to ban Western music.

"Blocking indecent and Western music from the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting is required," according to a statement on the council's official Web site.

Ahmadinejad's order means the IRIB must execute the decree and prepare a report on its implementation within six months, according to the newspaper.

"This is terrible," said Iranian guitarist Babak Riahipour, whose music was played occasionally on state radio and TV. "The decision shows a lack of knowledge and experience."

Music was outlawed as un-Islamic by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini soon after the revolution. But as the fervor of the revolution started to fade, light classical music was allowed on radio and television. Some public concerts reappeared in the late 1980s.

Western music, films and clothing are widely available in Iran, and hip-hop can be heard on Tehran's streets, blaring from car speakers or from music shops. Bootleg videos and DVDs of films banned by the state are widely available in the black market.

Following eight years of reformist-led rule in Iran, Ahmadinejad won office in August on a platform of reverting to ultraconservative principles promoted by the revolution.

Since then, Ahmadinejad has jettisoned Iran's moderation in foreign policy and pursued a purge in the government, replacing pragmatic veterans with former military commanders and inexperienced religious hard-liners.

He also has issued stinging criticisms of Israel, called for the Jewish state to be "wiped off the map" and described the Nazi Holocaust as a "myth."

International concerns are high over Iran's nuclear program, with the United States accusing Tehran of pursuing an atomic weapons program. Iran denies the claims.

During his presidential campaign, Ahmadinejad also promised to confront what he called the Western cultural invasion and promote Islamic values.

The latest media ban also includes censorship of content of films.

"Supervision of content from films, TV series and their voice-overs is emphasized in order to support spiritual cinema and to eliminate trite and violence," the council said in a statement on its Web site explaining its October ruling.

The council has also issued a ban on foreign movies that promote "arrogant powers," an apparent reference to the United States.
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This is only news to you because you are such a illiterate fool to have not read the Qu'ran passage that declares jihad against George Michael and Andrew Ridgely.

Although I'm finding something strikingly familiar about "indecency," "banning," and "religious zealots." The PMRC and the Meese commission come to mind, however.

I look forward to your brilliant retort in which you declare the PMRC a strictly democratic operation.
 
You mean the Tipper Gore founded PMRC?

Along the lines of other Democratic censorship/banning minded politicians like Senators Clinton, Bayh and Lieberman who have decided that legislatively video games not rated "E" are evil and fining stores, managers and workers are now a great national priority?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Lieberman[/QUOTE]

Lieberman is about as liberal as those southern Democrats that switched over to the Republicans back in 96
 
*sigh* I knew you would have pointed out Tipper's affiliation with the PMRC; after all, she was the most well-known member and the person most readily associated with it. Of course, you should have also known that I was baiting you:

The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 by the wives of several congressmen. They included Tipper Gore (wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore); Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; and Nancy Thurmond, wife of Senator Strom Thurmond. Their mission was to educate parents about "alarming trends" in popular music. They claimed that rock music encouraged/glorified violence, drug use, suicide, criminal activity, etc. and sought the censorship and/or rating of music.
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center

The same secretary of treasury who banned the "provocative" act known as "The Beach Boys" from performing at a 4th of July celebration. Baker was Sec'y under *whom* now? Perhaps you can remind me. I can picture his face so well, but...aw, crap. It was right there on the tip of my tongue.

So, as for finding a causal link between religious radicalism and banning musicians, you may have failed to call christianity by any number of sordid names despite the PMRC, the Meese Commission, or the Clinton video game bill. What in the world makes you think that, half a globe away, you can make such a claim about a culture that you clearly lack any substantive information about?
 
Bob Jones University ...

General rules
Curfew is at 10:25 pm and all lights must be out by 12 am. This curfew aids safety for students and also helps to ensure that they get some needed sleep while they are at college.

The rumor that interaction with the opposite sex after 5 pm on weekdays, and after 2 pm on weekends is prohibited is completely untrue.

Students are required to sign out when they leave campus, largely as a measure of safety. This rule does not apply to male students with Junior and Senior privileges, who are free to leave without signing out between the hours of 7 am and 7 pm.

Unfiltered wireless internet access via computer, mobile phone, or satellite phone is prohibited. However, the university provides content-filtered Wi-fi service for student use. The filter blocks pornography and other objectionable content.

Students are provided with an individual email account which is filtered through the campus email system to prevent questionable content. This filtered email system is consistent with the practice of many major banks and other businesses.

DVD/VCRs are not allowed in residence halls; DVD players as part of computer systems cannot be used for watching films. Televisions may be used only as monitors for video game consoles.
Students in residence halls are not allowed to watch any films with a rating higher than a G rating when visiting local homes and are forbidden from visiting cinemas. Additionally, students are not permitted to play, use, or own video games that are rated T, M, or Ao, or that have any kind of profanity, sensual or suggestive dress, rock music, blood and gore, or demonic themes.

The University has strict rules regarding music and Country, Jazz, New Age, Rock, and Contemporary Christian music are not permitted in the dorms.

Movie, music, and fashion posters are prohibited.

Sexual relations between unmarried students, if discovered, is an expulsion offense.
Many think that magazines of any kind showing any pictures of females are prohibited on the campus, but this rule does not exist. Possessing or distributing pornography is an expulsion offense.

Weapons of any kind must be stored by the University. Pistols must have trigger locks. No fireworks are allowed at any time.
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a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist...

I know, you'll go down the "but,but, but Bob Jones is a private university and Iran is a country...". Don't even. Your "series' is about religion.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Bob Jones University ...



a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist...

I know, you'll go down the "but,but, but Bob Jones is a private university and Iran is a country...". Don't even. Your "series' is about religion.[/QUOTE]

It's funny, all that stuff is banned yet guns are allowed. Honestly though, the only difference is the fundamentalists have power in Iran and they don't here. Now that ahmadinejad is president they control all the branches or Irans government. The guy just has no idea of how to conduct himself now that he has the attention of an international audience. His political career is based on his appeal to the poor and religious, the very characteristics that work well there translate horribly to a world audience. I've read multiple Iranian newspaper articles saying the same thing. Also, his opinions are clearly anti semitic, not just anti israel. I agree the palestinians should not have had to give up their land due to europes guilt, but the whole holocaust denial removes any doubt that his issue is with the jewish people instead of the israeli government.

Though there is a university, possibly liberty university (I read it on their website, just can't remember the university) that bans having anyone of the opposite sex in your room or kissing/holding hands etc. with the opposite sex.

My old university couldn't have cared less. University dorms and apartments (they had both) were coed, and they readily provided rooms to couples and married people. There was no curfew, no regulation of visitors in terms of type, amount, time etc., no alcohol regulations as long as you were drinking age (19) etc. Hell, the university had alcohol sponsors and sold beer at multiple pubs and restaurants on campus.

The only bad thing was you couldn't have microwaves and cooking stuff in your room, unless your room had a kitchen.

Though I wouldn't last long at bob jones. I've never been known as a trouble maker in any way, but I've always been known as very opiniated and stubborn (ie. I don't cause trouble because I don't want to). I get the feeling that a lot of the things I say or do may suddenly become a problem there when they haven't been in any academic setting I've been in.
 
Bush administration update: war declared on porn!

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror" one agent says.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570.html

Update: one of the the anti-obscenity agents is picked up for shoplifting!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/22/AR2005112201812.html

This is so great. Now my tax money is supporting thieves who are being paid by the government to censor video of consenting adults indulging themselves sexually. At least Iran got it half right - after all, they are banning the real Satan (IE Kenny G.)


 
[quote name='elprincipe']Really? I'm sure that would be news to anyone who knows anything about Senator Lieberman's record!

http://www.issues2000.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm

Take a minute and fight the urge to comment when ignorant![/QUOTE]

http://www.joseph2004.org/

If he's as liberal as that website claims he is, he's doing a damn good job of hiding it. Aside from becoming Bush's dem lapdog, he also has a tendancy to only make speeches when he agrees with the opposing party, or only talk about issues that make him out to be a complete douche.

A google search of "lieberman conservative" seems to bring up some interesting results.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']http://www.joseph2004.org/

If he's as liberal as that website claims he is, he's doing a damn good job of hiding it. Aside from becoming Bush's dem lapdog, he also has a tendancy to only make speeches when he agrees with the opposing party, or only talk about issues that make him out to be a complete douche.

A google search of "lieberman conservative" seems to bring up some interesting results.[/QUOTE]

Again, this is due to you not paying attention to everything he says. Check my link; it's not about claims, just facts about his voting records and statements. He's like the Democratic John McCain - bucks the party on some issues (most notably defense policy), but he's a solid liberal.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']lets not forget the unofficial banning of french wine, how dumb are people.[/QUOTE]

While I consider myself a cynic (whom a friend told me the other day: "a cynic is a bruised optimist," a phrase which I now take to heart), when I saw "Jameson Whiskey" on the list of French items to boycott when this was in semi-vogue three years ago, I think my spleen began to hurt from the sheer stupidity.
 
The website el posted states lieberman is a left leaning moderate, not a liberal. He does lean a little left, and doesn't really fit either party too well.

But that joseph2004 website is an odd way to rebut a serious argument. Though I have to wonder why everything I read on lieberman brings up his jewishness, often using it to attack him (as the website you posted does).

Though, as for voting record, neither dean (at least up to when he ran for president, not sure since) or kerry were the "radical liberals" they were portrayed as either.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Though I have to wonder why everything I read on lieberman brings up his jewishness, often using it to attack him (as the website you posted does).[/QUOTE]
Because, Lieberman is an Orthodox Jew, which I suppose is approximantely the Jewish equivelent of a Fundamnetalist Christian. Even coming from a Jewish family, I despise the Jewish Orthodoxy.
 
benedict-lieberman.jpg
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Because, Lieberman is an Orthodox Jew, which I suppose is appeoximantely the Jewish equivelent of a Fundamnetalist Christian. Even coming from a Jewish family, I despise the Jewish Orthodoxy.[/QUOTE]


Well, it's not like a little hate ever hurt anyone. But do you honestly think his religion would be such an issue if he was an equivalent christian? He seems to be particularly singled out because he's jewish.

Though orthodox jews seem to be the ones behind most jewish anti-zionist groups so that's a plus for me.
 
Careful with the "christian" label; Kerry's Catholicism was remarked upon more than once (though certainly not to the extent of Judaism, or any non-christian religion). IIRC, Kennedy's Catholicism was a major potential deterrent to his character in the 1960 election as well.

Methinks that, with the exception of Kennedy, the steroetype of "white landowning males" has often excluded one other significant connection - protestantism.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Careful with the "christian" label; Kerry's Catholicism was remarked upon more than once (though certainly not to the extent of Judaism, or any non-christian religion). IIRC, Kennedy's Catholicism was a major potential deterrent to his character in the 1960 election as well.[/QUOTE]
Catholicism was a deterent for any candidate. Kennedy was an oddity. Apparently people believe that a catholic is more inclined to serve the pope than the people.

To me, yes, I would be just as concerned if they were some sort of fundamentalist christian. Orthodoxy and fundamentalism is essentially "x-treme" religion, which always bothers me.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Careful with the "christian" label; Kerry's Catholicism was remarked upon more than once (though certainly not to the extent of Judaism, or any non-christian religion). IIRC, Kennedy's Catholicism was a major potential deterrent to his character in the 1960 election as well.

Methinks that, with the exception of Kennedy, the steroetype of "white landowning males" has often excluded one other significant connection - protestantism.[/QUOTE]

Kennedy yes, but that was a different time and prejudice against catholics was much worse. Kerry is relevant but his being catholic was rarely brought up in mainstream circles. I don't know what protestant groups said behind closed doors, but I rarely saw his religion mentioned. When I did it was always in a matter of fact way. I never saw it used to label or to attack him. The only time it was really brought up was when the church said they wouldn't provide eucharists to politicians who were pro choice, and his religion is obviously essential to that.

The whole pope control thing seems to have died long ago. Maybe that's not true in some protestant circles though, it just isn't a visible criticism anymore. Maybe that's different if you live in a strong protestant or religious area though.
 
I don't think that anything you said disagrees with what I said, alonzo; I was merely pointing out that when you say "christian," you mean "protestant."

Us Mary-loving whores are a different sort of beast. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't think that anything you said disagrees with what I said, alonzo; I was merely pointing out that when you say "christian," you mean "protestant."

Us Mary-loving whores are a different sort of beast. ;)[/QUOTE]


Ya ;) . But I did mean christians as a whole. It probably has to do with the religious environment I'm used to. It was catholic but there was no animosity towards protestants, and most things were conducted in a non denominational christian atmosphere. Catholicism was always treated as a form of christianity just like any other. So, in my mind, everything kinda gets lumped together.

Also, I've only recently realized that anti catholic prejudice is still common relative to other forms of prejudice, and not something relegated to the corners of society.

My dealings with christianity as a whole are effected greatly by how I was exposed to it.
 
On a side note, I just found out my old school disinvited a speaker (a former massachusetts senate president who is an alumni of the school) because he supports abortion rights. Odd since the entire time I was there abortion was never mentioned anywhere (including sex ed). The only time it came up was in a religious book, but it was never dealt with.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Though, as for voting record, neither dean (at least up to when he ran for president, not sure since) or kerry were the "radical liberals" they were portrayed as either.[/QUOTE]

You might argue with Dean, but Kerry had the most liberal voting record in the Senate last year!
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You might argue with Dean, but Kerry had the most liberal voting record in the Senate last year![/QUOTE]
By Whose standards? That's a very relativistic and subjective claim.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You might argue with Dean, but Kerry had the most liberal voting record in the Senate last year![/QUOTE]

Yes, but not over his career as a senator. It was an anomaly. In the article you posted it said:

In a recent issue, the magazine noted that Kerry and Edwards, busy campaigning, were absent from the Senate for many of the votes that went into the latest index, so only certain votes entered the formula. Although Kerry has scored consistently on the liberal end of the journal's index since coming to the Senate in 1985, 10 current senators have a higher lifetime average, the magazine said. Edwards, just finishing his first term, has a lifetime score that "puts him in the moderate wing of his party."
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Not exactly a radical liberal.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Yes, but not over his career as a senator. It was an anomaly. In the article you posted it said:



Not exactly a radical liberal.[/QUOTE]

Well, if you read the article again, it also points out that Kerry has a 92/100 lifetime liberal ranking. So barring a problem with the ranking criteria, I'd say yes, that's pretty radically liberal.
 
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