ROP Update: Well, So Much For Academic Freedom

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Saudi jailed for discussing the Bible

Published November 14, 2005

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (Reuters) -- A court sentenced a teacher to 40 months in prison and 750 lashes for "mocking religion" after he discussed the Bible and praised Jews, a Saudi newspaper reported yesterday.

Al-Madina newspaper said secondary-school teacher Mohammad al-Harbi, who will be flogged in public, was taken to court by his colleagues and students.

He was charged with promoting a "dubious ideology, mocking religion, saying the Jews were right, discussing the Gospel and preventing students from leaving class to wash for prayer," the newspaper said.

Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, strictly upholds the austere Wahhabi school of Islam and bases its constitution on the Koran and the sayings of the prophet Muhammad. Public practice of any other religion is banned.

A U.S. State Department report criticized Saudi Arabia last week, saying religious freedoms "are denied to all but those who adhere to the state-sanctioned version of Sunni Islam."

The newspaper said Mr. al-Harbi will appeal the verdict.

A similar case was cited in the State Department's International Religious Freedom Report for 2004.

"During the period covered by this report, a schoolteacher was tried for apostasy, and eventually convicted in March of blasphemy; the person was given a prison sentence of 3 years and 300 lashes. The trial received substantial press coverage," the report said.

A 2003 report by the U.S. Commission on Religious Freedom, the world's only government-sanctioned entity to investigate and report religious-freedom violations, named Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest violator of religious liberties.

The commission took the country to task for "offensive and discriminatory language" disparaging Jews, Christians and non-Wahhabi Muslims found in government-sponsored school textbooks, in Friday sermons preached in prominent mosques, and in state-controlled Saudi newspapers.

For example, in 2003, Crown Prince (now King) Abdullah reacted to the killing of six Westerners by terrorists in Yemen by saying he thought Zionism was behind them.

In Saudi Arabia, the public practice of any religion other than Islam is illegal; only Muslims can be Saudi citizens; one of the Saudi king's titles is "custodian of the two holy mosques"; proselytizing for any religion other than Sunni Islam is barred; and Mecca, Islam's holy city, is forbidden to all non-Muslims.

For years, Saudi Arabia also imposed restrictions, or persuaded the U.S. government to impose restrictions, on American troops defending the country during and after then-Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's 1990-91 occupation of Kuwait.

For example, U.S. postal and customs officials have barred mailing materials "contrary to the Islamic faith," including Bibles. The U.S. military also has required female service members to wear a long, black robe called an abaya when traveling off base in Saudi Arabia. Both regulations were rescinded or clarified after public outcry based on reporting in the U.S. media.

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Erhm, uh, yeah. Nothing wrong here with state sponsored Islam. Nothing to see folks, move along.

Oh, and this is one of the "moderate" Islamic countries. Guess what militant Islam endorses?

You're all so smart, I'm sure you can figure it out on your own.
 
Saudi Arabia is definitely one screwed up country. The fact that they're our allies says something about us. We will, of course, continue to suck up to them, while declaring far more moderate Islamic states to be our enemy.

Your claim that Saudia Arabia is a moderate Islamic state is laughable. They're as extreme as extreme can be. They're just smart enough to be quiet about it, take our oil money, and use it to fly planes into our buildings.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Erhm, uh, yeah. Nothing wrong here with state sponsored Islam. Nothing to see folks, move along.

Oh, and this is one of the "moderate" Islamic countries. Guess what militant Islam endorses?

You're all so smart, I'm sure you can figure it out on your own.[/QUOTE]

It's too bad your man W and his daddy are in cahoots with the King.
 
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was a FDR creation. More or less the Saud was a tribesman he felt the Americans could do business with and wallah, he became king. Previous to that there was no king of Saudi Arabia. Well I'll be, there was no Saudi Arabia either.

As a result every American President has paid patronage to an American created royal family and oh yeah, they've also been in "cahoots" with whoever was king too.

BTW, WTF does that have anything to do with state run religous persecution and intolerence of academic freedom? I mean we're talking about a complete lack of ability for teachers to discuss academic topics.

Oh yes, it's Bush's fault. Stupid me. Standard answer to every problem in the world on this board.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Oh yes, it's Bush's fault. Stupid me. Standard answer to every problem in the world on this board.[/QUOTE]


Hard to argue with truth?
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']Hard to argue with truth?[/QUOTE]

LOL, oh man, priceless. Truly priceless.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

It's amazing what a Utopia the world was until January 20th, 2001. There was no racism, intolerence, persecution, war, terrorism, poverty, hunger, thirst or economic disparity for 5,000 years. Then those damn red states went and ruined everything.

I love it, absolutely LOVE IT!
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']LOL, oh man, priceless. Truly priceless.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

It's amazing what a Utopia the world was until January 20th, 2001. There was no racism, intolerence, persecution, war, terrorism, poverty, hunger, thirst or economic disparity for 5,000 years. Then those damn red states went and ruined everything.

I love it, absolutely LOVE IT![/QUOTE]

Yet, you haven't rebutted. Just rebuked...in a vague and ambiguous sort of way.

Anyways, if you want to put the blame on who created the state, we may as well do that for everything. Blame the Romans (not the British) for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they made the Jews move! Blame the Spanish for the civil war, because they started the slave trade. Blame conflict on GOD because he created the humans!

Also, most US Presidents didn't pay patronage AFTER they were out of office.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']LOL, oh man, priceless. Truly priceless.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

It's amazing what a Utopia the world was until January 20th, 2001. There was no racism, intolerence, persecution, war, terrorism, poverty, hunger, thirst or economic disparity for 5,000 years. Then those damn red states went and ruined everything.

I love it, absolutely LOVE IT![/QUOTE]


There were 2,000+ more american lives not lost in a mindless, unpopular, debunked war, that sorta means something right?
 
Wanna bet?

[quote name='Metal Boss']There were 2,000+ more american lives not lost in a mindless, unpopular, debunked war, that sorta means something right?[/QUOTE]

This of course has everything to do with Saudi Arabia jailing and flailing a teacher.

WOOOHOOO!

I know I'm going to regret asking this question but....

Could you name me a popular war?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

Could you name me a popular war?[/QUOTE]


Well the "war on terror" WAS pretty popular with the American people riding the 9/11 momentum, but thats kind of becoming a punch line for the president isn't it?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Could you name me a popular war?[/QUOTE]

World War II garnered much public support for FDR, hence four terms and an election of Truman.

The revolutionary war was quite popular among non-turncoats.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']More or less the Saud was a tribesman he felt the Americans could do business with and wallah, he became king..[/QUOTE]
I know you've been too busy to attend to your French studies, but it's "voilà". :lol:
 
Maybe the story is that for once the christians are having ideals forced on them and being persecuted. Usually they're the ones who persecute and force their moral system on others. You know - it's that whole "man bites dog" thing.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Could you name me a popular war?[/QUOTE]

Surely you haven't forgotten the first Gulf War already?

On another note, I do agree with you that Metal Boss has shown his "everything is Bush's fault so there" stripes pretty clearly in this thread. But it's not like that is a surprise if you've read his other posts.
 
It's clearly not as simple as "everything is bush's fault", & I do not think black & white on that subject. I think it's pretty weak to fall back on that as an argument against me, it's called a jab.


I do find it amusing that you actually view that as a valid argument, it's almost as though you're guilty of something :lol:
 
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