Roughly half of all Americans don't beleive that the U.S. is the #1 Military Power
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At least people are most likely to say we spend too much on military, according to that poll.
NoelVermillion
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hell i'm american and i still don't believe.
we suck at military, we can't train our soldiers for jack.
we suck at military, we can't train our soldiers for jack.
How do you measure who is the #1 military power? Enlistment numbers? Technology? Who has the biggest or the most bombs?
I would still think that a country our size with the emphasis we put on the military puts us far ahead of even emerging powers like China and Korea.
I would still think that a country our size with the emphasis we put on the military puts us far ahead of even emerging powers like China and Korea.
blindinglights
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[quote name='NoelVermillion']hell i'm american and i still don't believe.
we suck at military, we can't train our soldiers for jack.[/QUOTE]
Curious as to who you think has better soldiers and what specific parts of the training you think are inadequate.
Not trying to argue, just want to see the reasoning behind your statement.
we suck at military, we can't train our soldiers for jack.[/QUOTE]
Curious as to who you think has better soldiers and what specific parts of the training you think are inadequate.
Not trying to argue, just want to see the reasoning behind your statement.
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[quote name='Knoell']These days it isn't "cool" to be happy with our military which would explain the drop.
Regardless the science behind the poll is meaningless. No, it is nonexistant.[/QUOTE]
:lol: really? what in the world are you trying to argue, and how in the world have you come to this conclusion?
The poll says a few things:
1) "roughly half" is lower than usual, but not so much. You don't even have to read any words in the link to figure that out. The trend lines on the linked Gallup page show that it peaks at 64%, but the range of people saying "yes" since 1994 (18 years!) bounces around roughly in the same area - 52-64%. That's not huge variation, and what we have right now isn't really anything alarming. Sometimes you open a package of Pop Tarts and find that one of the corners was slightly burnt in the factory, and that's a bit of a letdown. But I wouldn't call the Fire Department about it.
2) The thing that sticks out to me is the gender gap - 65% of males think the US is the #1 military power compared w/ 44% of females. I've no idea what's going on there.
Regardless the science behind the poll is meaningless. No, it is nonexistant.[/QUOTE]
:lol: really? what in the world are you trying to argue, and how in the world have you come to this conclusion?
The poll says a few things:
1) "roughly half" is lower than usual, but not so much. You don't even have to read any words in the link to figure that out. The trend lines on the linked Gallup page show that it peaks at 64%, but the range of people saying "yes" since 1994 (18 years!) bounces around roughly in the same area - 52-64%. That's not huge variation, and what we have right now isn't really anything alarming. Sometimes you open a package of Pop Tarts and find that one of the corners was slightly burnt in the factory, and that's a bit of a letdown. But I wouldn't call the Fire Department about it.
2) The thing that sticks out to me is the gender gap - 65% of males think the US is the #1 military power compared w/ 44% of females. I've no idea what's going on there.
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: really? what in the world are you trying to argue, and how in the world have you come to this conclusion?
The poll says a few things:
1) "roughly half" is lower than usual, but not so much. You don't even have to read any words in the link to figure that out. The trend lines on the linked Gallup page show that it peaks at 64%, but the range of people saying "yes" since 1994 (18 years!) bounces around roughly in the same area - 52-64%. That's not huge variation, and what we have right now isn't really anything alarming. Sometimes you open a package of Pop Tarts and find that one of the corners was slightly burnt in the factory, and that's a bit of a letdown. But I wouldn't call the Fire Department about it.
2) The thing that sticks out to me is the gender gap - 65% of males think the US is the #1 military power compared w/ 44% of females. I've no idea what's going on there.[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to argue that very few Americans have any idea how the U.S. Military is structured let alone any idea how foreign powers have their military structered.
A really stupid poll if you ask me. It would be like asking a wide audience if Italian food cooked in America tasted better then Italian food cooked in Italy when the majority of the population polled had never left the U.S. much less spent time in Italy.
The poll says a few things:
1) "roughly half" is lower than usual, but not so much. You don't even have to read any words in the link to figure that out. The trend lines on the linked Gallup page show that it peaks at 64%, but the range of people saying "yes" since 1994 (18 years!) bounces around roughly in the same area - 52-64%. That's not huge variation, and what we have right now isn't really anything alarming. Sometimes you open a package of Pop Tarts and find that one of the corners was slightly burnt in the factory, and that's a bit of a letdown. But I wouldn't call the Fire Department about it.
2) The thing that sticks out to me is the gender gap - 65% of males think the US is the #1 military power compared w/ 44% of females. I've no idea what's going on there.[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to argue that very few Americans have any idea how the U.S. Military is structured let alone any idea how foreign powers have their military structered.
A really stupid poll if you ask me. It would be like asking a wide audience if Italian food cooked in America tasted better then Italian food cooked in Italy when the majority of the population polled had never left the U.S. much less spent time in Italy.
mykevermin
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Not knowing the precise numbers is one thing, sure. Or structure/organization. But the size of our annual military spending, the number and size of our international bases (and length of stay - Okinawa 67 years strong baby!), our deep love for arms races, and our nuclear capabilities - none of these are secrets to the average American.
So it's not a stretch, and it's not hard, to figure out that we are by far the #1 military power in size, scope, and presence.
It's a fine poll - I don't read it as a "how smart/dumb are Americans" poll, but a political barometer of a few things, including whether or not Americans would tolerate budgetary cuts to military spending. The poll seems to suggest we'd be okay with some cuts, but not too deep. But that's overall, and not simply based on one question.
So it's not a stretch, and it's not hard, to figure out that we are by far the #1 military power in size, scope, and presence.
It's a fine poll - I don't read it as a "how smart/dumb are Americans" poll, but a political barometer of a few things, including whether or not Americans would tolerate budgetary cuts to military spending. The poll seems to suggest we'd be okay with some cuts, but not too deep. But that's overall, and not simply based on one question.
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I feel like most people would say China. I guess they feel worldly and intelligent when they make that conclusion? I don't know. Somehow I feel like it comes up in conversation fairly regularly, and every time there's some douchecanoe going, "Actually, China is stronger than us now."
"If Iran can't have nukes, than why can we?", is another one of my favorites.
"If Iran can't have nukes, than why can we?", is another one of my favorites.
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: really? what in the world are you trying to argue, and how in the world have you come to this conclusion?
The poll says a few things:
1) "roughly half" is lower than usual, but not so much. You don't even have to read any words in the link to figure that out. The trend lines on the linked Gallup page show that it peaks at 64%, but the range of people saying "yes" since 1994 (18 years!) bounces around roughly in the same area - 52-64%. That's not huge variation, and what we have right now isn't really anything alarming. Sometimes you open a package of Pop Tarts and find that one of the corners was slightly burnt in the factory, and that's a bit of a letdown. But I wouldn't call the Fire Department about it.
2) The thing that sticks out to me is the gender gap - 65% of males think the US is the #1 military power compared w/ 44% of females. I've no idea what's going on there.[/QUOTE]
Well for one, there is a noticable difference in people's opinions in how we used our military, and how successful we were in the past two wars than operations in the 90's. These types of things (but not limited to those things) are what the average American is basing our military strength on.
Only a small percentage of that poll actually know enough about our military to objectively give their opinion. So the rest revert to things such as the above as basis for their opinion. Which again makes the poll meaningless.
It is about as significant as the guy who walks around the streets of cities asking people questions, then picks the most ridiculous answers and says "see how stupid X country is?:lol::lol:"
So you know what I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ki1xQojE7w
The poll says a few things:
1) "roughly half" is lower than usual, but not so much. You don't even have to read any words in the link to figure that out. The trend lines on the linked Gallup page show that it peaks at 64%, but the range of people saying "yes" since 1994 (18 years!) bounces around roughly in the same area - 52-64%. That's not huge variation, and what we have right now isn't really anything alarming. Sometimes you open a package of Pop Tarts and find that one of the corners was slightly burnt in the factory, and that's a bit of a letdown. But I wouldn't call the Fire Department about it.
2) The thing that sticks out to me is the gender gap - 65% of males think the US is the #1 military power compared w/ 44% of females. I've no idea what's going on there.[/QUOTE]
Well for one, there is a noticable difference in people's opinions in how we used our military, and how successful we were in the past two wars than operations in the 90's. These types of things (but not limited to those things) are what the average American is basing our military strength on.
Only a small percentage of that poll actually know enough about our military to objectively give their opinion. So the rest revert to things such as the above as basis for their opinion. Which again makes the poll meaningless.
It is about as significant as the guy who walks around the streets of cities asking people questions, then picks the most ridiculous answers and says "see how stupid X country is?:lol::lol:"
So you know what I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ki1xQojE7w
joeboosauce
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It's f-ing pathetic that this many people in a supposedly democratic population awash in mounds and mounds of information is unaware of THEIR OWN nation's military standing. It's an abject failure. Let me guess... its the same 
tards who believe that the US promotes democracy and humanitarian goals.
If you are any of the above mentionedtards, I suggest you edu-macate yourself about YOUR OWN nation and its death machine.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-08.htm
Killing Hope U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II by William Blum
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html
tards who believe that the US promotes democracy and humanitarian goals.If you are any of the above mentioned
tards, I suggest you edu-macate yourself about YOUR OWN nation and its death machine.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
America's Empire of Bases [/FONT]
America's Empire of Bases [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Chalmers Johnson[/FONT]
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-08.htm
Killing Hope U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II by William Blum
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html
[quote name='joeboosauce']It's f-ing pathetic that this many people in a supposedly democratic population awash in mounds and mounds of information is unaware of THEIR OWN nation's military standing. It's an abject failure. Let me guess... its the same tards who believe that the US promotes democracy and humanitarian goals.
If you are any of the above mentionedtards, I suggest you edu-macate yourself about YOUR OWN nation and its death machine.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-08.htm
Killing Hope U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II by William Blum
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html[/QUOTE]
hahahaha.
tards who believe that the US promotes democracy and humanitarian goals.If you are any of the above mentioned
tards, I suggest you edu-macate yourself about YOUR OWN nation and its death machine.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]America's Empire of Bases [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Chalmers Johnson[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Chalmers Johnson[/FONT]
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-08.htm
Killing Hope U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II by William Blum
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html[/QUOTE]
hahahaha.
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