(Rumor) XBL "VIP Membership"

[quote name='fatmanforlife99']Thats why I said if this is true. I already have to pay 50 bucks so people can lag everywhere on my my favorite games. IDK about you, but it kinda ruins the fucking experience.[/quote]
It's your choice you pay 50 bucks for LIVE, no one is forcing you to do so, so I don't see the problem? If you don't like the price or lag, then simply, don't?

Personally, I pay much cheaper for it than you, and I hardly EVER get lag. I'm sorry your experience has been crappy on Xbox Live though, but it's ultimately you're decision to pay to play, and if it doesn't meet your standards, you don't have to keep paying for it.

And again, no one is forcing you to pay extra for a better service, IF it even does come out. Stop trying to act like a victim.
 
Look, I have never had any problem with PSN, not one. Killzone 2, Resistance 1&2 and Warhawk are games I play a lot and they all work smooth. When you pop in Halo 3 or some Halo Wars you get dickheads who lag out on purpose or because they live in some far away location. I know your going to say "use the better connection option" that shit does not work at all. You either cant find a game game in 30 mins or you still get matched up with people who lag out. I love XBL, don't get me wrong fucking bad ass service, but you cant sit here and say, I will pay for a better connection when your already paying 50 bucks a year. Like I said earlier, if this is true, I wont extend my membership.
 
[quote name='Sparta Omni']It's your choice you pay 50 bucks for LIVE, no one is forcing you to do so, so I don't see the problem? If you don't like the price or lag, then simply, don't?

Personally, I pay much cheaper for it than you, and I hardly EVER get lag. I'm sorry your experience has been crappy on Xbox Live though, but it's ultimately you're decision to pay to play, and if it doesn't meet your standards, you don't have to keep paying for it.

And again, no one is forcing you to pay extra for a better service, IF it even does come out. Stop trying to act like a victim.[/quote]


Look don't be a dick about either. Nobody is forcing you to live. You play Halo 3 right? everybody has experienced lag, I don't care who you are or what you say, you have. It's a service I enjoy, I dont mind paying it, but what is pissing me off is to pay MORE MONEY for a better connection makes no sense to me.
 
[quote name='BostonCollegeFan']The idiots who say Killzone 2's online is broken are fucking retarded and are proabably a particapant in their states mental health program.

Seriously, how hard is it to turn on Killzone 2, go to "Warzone" or whatever it's called then "Join Game"? Oh and there's nothing wrong with the voice chat, the only reason you'd call someone on a phone was if you were cheating, which means you're a dick and no one cares what you think anyways.

Also XBLG is wayyyy too much money. $7 a month adds up to almost $80 a year, that's ridiculous. I know you can get it for cheap on cag, but I'd rather spend $50 on a new game than just the ability to play games. This is why i'll be buying all my future third party games on PS3.[/quote]
Chill out dude, stop being so aggressive.
If you look it at that way, then yeah, it's overpriced. You can now buy cards for 25-35 easy online. It's changed since the original billing. I think that it's a great price for over a years service, though not perfect, of course. I'd never pay over $50 for XBL, personally, and now that I have been paying in the $20 range for it the past 3 years, I probably wouldn't ever pay over $40 for it again. Forget $80, buy the cards online.
Some people want free stuff, and don't like MS or their business, so $5 a year would probably be too much for them. No biggie.

[quote name='whoknows']A game like COD4 works just as well on PSN as it does on Live. (and yes, I've played both.)[/quote]
They're pretty much identical, sure, but some things make a difference to some people.
Online interface, controller design, and online features.
So yeah, those who don't care, you're probably going to get the same experience, but it does make a difference ultimately to many people who do care. It's all preference, really. I prefer the 360 controller, so that's a no brainer to me. I also explained why I prefer the 360 interface and features over the PSN, so that is another no brainer for me. But there are people who either don't know or don't care between the two and will have fun either way. Props to them. ;)
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']Look don't be a dick about either. Nobody is forcing you to live. You play Halo 3 right? everybody has experienced lag, I don't care who you are or what you say, you have. It's a service I enjoy, I dont mind paying it, but what is pissing me off is to pay MORE MONEY for a better connection makes no sense to me.[/quote]
I'm not being a dick, I'm just telling you to stop whining about things. :roll:

Now, let's look at it a different light, since you don't seem to get it.

Don't you have to pay more for your ISP to give you a better connection if you want one? Yes.
More is usually more, correct?
Does it suck? Duh. But it's business.

They aren't forcing you to pay more for more though, if you want to upgrade, you can. If you don't, you can stick to the cheapest plan for all they care. If MS does include this plan as an option, then they can, and it's legit. It will suck, yes, I know. I'm paying customer myself, but why wouldn't they? Personally, if nothing sticks out to me worth upgrading, and the price is too much, I'll skip it. Big deal.
 
Yeah, but my ISP always meets my standards. XBL, doesn't. Look I am not whining contrary to what you think.

Look all I am saying is why charge more money for something I already Pay 40-50 bucks a year and slap a "OHHHH VIP" tag on and say you will get a better connection. As a customer I hope you agree with this statement. You know that would not be fair at all to the millions of people who hop on everyday. I should already have a MORE better connection.
 
This is going to be their way of securing DLC to consumers. You won't have to be on the same console, but you will have to be signed in to Live.

So, you know, when you take your 360 to your friend's house for a Rock Band night, all of your DLC won't show up because they don't have the internet at their house.

Damn it.
 
So in a year or so after this launches, we'll need a VIP membership to download demos the first 6 months they're out, get any free content, or doing anything else besides straight up playing games online, I'm guessing?

KthxNO.
 
[quote name='Scorch']This is going to be their way of securing DLC to consumers. You won't have to be on the same console, but you will have to be signed in to Live.

So, you know, when you take your 360 to your friend's house for a Rock Band night, all of your DLC won't show up because they don't have the internet at their house.

Damn it.[/QUOTE]


I still think it's bs alone that when your bring your HD over you can't your DLC unless you have an internet connection :/.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']So in a year or so after this launches, we'll need a VIP membership to download demos the first 6 months they're out, get any free content, or doing anything else besides straight up playing games online, I'm guessing?

KthxNO.[/quote]

Exactly. This is my concern. We already see the hardball they were willing to play with Silver members in terms of content. I wouldn't doubt if they do the same to Gold members to "motivate" us to get VIP.
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']Yeah, but my ISP always meets my standards. XBL, doesn't. Look I am not whining contrary to what you think.

Look all I am saying is why charge more money for something I already Pay 40-50 bucks a year and slap a "OHHHH VIP" tag on and say you will get a better connection. As a customer I hope you agree with this statement. You know that would not be fair at all to the millions of people who hop on everyday. I should already have a MORE better connection.[/quote]


I dont think they can control your connection , but then again stranger shit has happened. XBL gold is already a pretty good service for what you pay for , me ive shopped around & have picked up 13 months of live for a lil less than $30 , now my internet service is a different story. The location im at I pay pretty good money for my internet service. Most of the games I choose on GOW & other games I experince lag at the least once a day a lil more sometimes. But on a business standpoint why would Microsoft come out with this XBLG vip status . . . it sounds useless to me , thats my opinion . . .
 
* Online storage - why? Maybe I'm the wrong demographic, but I don't go to people's houses and need access to my DLC all that often. And if it's online, that's more bandwidth being used which many ISPs might not like, and of course you have to be online and Live has to be up.
* Brand new matchmaking option - I don't really have any complaints about the current one, it's better implemented in some games than others. I'll reserve judgment till I hear details.
* Free invitations to silver members - what's the point?
* Better connectivity - I don't like this one. This either means "we can do better, but we haven't bothered to", or "we'll cripple the regular Goldies".

13 months is 35-50 bucks depending on where you buy it. "Pennies a day". I would like it to be free, but I don't think that's an unreasonable price for the service provided (I'm more up in arms about 20.00 nontransferrable DLC content/games.)
I'm curious, I wonder how many people complain about Live's pennies a day, but have also been playing World of Warcraft for fifteen bucks a month for years. To me, *that's* a waste of money. Multiple hundreds of dollars for one game? Don't think so.

I could definitely see MS trying to "disincentivize" the regular Gold membership in favor of the Ultra Super Cool Kids Premium VIP Club.

I think they'd get some push back from the game publishers if the limit demo downloads that much/
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']Yeah, but my ISP always meets my standards. XBL, doesn't. Look I am not whining contrary to what you think.

Look all I am saying is why charge more money for something I already Pay 40-50 bucks a year and slap a "OHHHH VIP" tag on and say you will get a better connection. As a customer I hope you agree with this statement. You know that would not be fair at all to the millions of people who hop on everyday. I should already have a MORE better connection.[/quote]
I told you I understand, but I am saying they aren't forcing you to get VIP, so there's no harm. If it does come out, and you don't want to buy it, then don't. I'm sure there'll be millions of people out there in the same boat, me included.
 
Devil's advocate, though--most ISPs have tiered service....I can get 5K dl for $$, .750k for $, and 10MB for $$$ from RoadRunner. I assume all they do is cap my max transfer rate or something.

Offering more functionality/features for more money, I'm fine with...that's business. But the current Live offerings or service levels shouldn't change.
 
[quote name='Sparta Omni']I told you I understand, but I am saying they aren't forcing you to get VIP, so there's no harm. If it does come out, and you don't want to buy it, then don't. I'm sure there'll be millions of people out there in the same boat, me included.[/quote]


Will you stop saying "NOBODY'S FORCING YOU TO", I know this man. Like a poster said a couple posts up, if they can do a better job at making the games run more smooth, why charge for it? Answer that please, that is what I am "complaining" about.
 
I'll give you the answer. BUISNESS.
Life isn't fair, I don't know if you're 12, or 20 and live in your mom's basement still, but that's the way it goes. It's been like this for a long time now, and will never change.

Why is ANY DLC priced? Hmm....
Oh, business! Yeah, welcome to the real world, it sucks! :D

Should it be free? I guess? I'd love it to be, but I paid $XX.XX for a game with content already on it. That was MY choice, no one MADE me buy that game. If any other content outside of that disc comes out for it, they can charge whatever price they want it to be. And again, it'll be MY CHOICE ALONE to buy it. I won't be forced to pay for it. The minute I do, I will take my money and time elsewhere. Not cry on a forums about it. Do something about it if you don't like it, and that's putting your money where your mouth is. Typing will get you nowhere.

Trust me, I'm on your side, but I get sick of all the whining that "this should be free", " I shouldn't HAVE to pay for this". Well great news, you don't HAVE to do anything. I'm sorry if you feel entitled for all extra things in life, but that won't always be the case. You'll have to make important decisions on when and where your money goes and if it's worth it to you. Anything on the disc that you paid for, is yours. Anything extra the people take time to make, whether it's a minutes after release or a year, doesn't have to be free. It'd be nice if it were, and the devs get props for cheap or free things in reasonable time, but it's whatever they chose, you're not entitled to it, just because you bought the game.

Same goes with this VIP shit.
 
[quote name='Sparta Omni']I'll give you the answer. BUISNESS.
Life isn't fair, I don't know if you're 12, or 20 and live in your mom's basement still, but that's the way it goes. It's been like this for a long time now, and will never change.

Why is ANY DLC priced? Hmm....
Oh, business! Yeah, welcome to the real world, it sucks! :D

Should it be free? I guess? I'd love it to be, but I paid $XX.XX for a game with content already on it. That was MY choice, no one MADE me buy that game. If any other content outside of that disc comes out for it, they can charge whatever price they want it to be. And again, it'll be MY CHOICE ALONE to buy it. I won't be forced to.[/quote]



Wow what a joke, you insult me and you think its ok to clamp down a service so a few years later you can call it VIP and say it's better. What a fucking fan boy, just cause all you can afford is an Xbox 360, doesn't mean you need to suck its balls too. Wow what a fucking joke you are. :applause:



Another thing I never said is I never wanted to be free. I am happy with what I got now.
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']Wow what a joke, you insult me and you think its ok to clamp down a service so a few years later you can call it VIP and say it's better. What a fucking fan boy, just cause all you can afford is an Xbox 360, doesn't mean you need to suck its balls too. Wow what a fucking joke you are. :applause:[/quote]
Keep crying and name calling on on a forum, that'll get you far. Not that you'll get very far anyway with that perception on life that you're entitled to everything for free. :lol: Go borrow some more money from your mom to get VIP when it comes out and stop whining, baby.
 
When did I say anything about, I want it to be free, OMG I WANT IT free. when the fuck did I say that Beau? Me and you are the same age ok. I have the stuff that I have, cause I work my ass of for it. You need to stop talking about yourself so much. Wow you completely turn this into a discussion about a new service microsoft may be releasing to a fucking "MY MOM HAS MORE MONEY THAN YOU" thread. get a fucking life. Trying show your muscles like your some bad ass, shut the fuck up fan boy. Also, you don't even play XBL that much or you really suck at the games you play.
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']When did I say anything about, I want it to be free, OMG I WANT IT free. when the fuck did I say that Beau? Me and you are the same age ok. I have the stuff that I have, cause I work my ass of for it. You need to stop talking about yourself so much. Wow you completely turn this into a discussion about a new service microsoft may be releasing to a fucking "MY MOM HAS MORE MONEY THAN YOU" thread. get a fucking life. Trying show your muscles like your some bad ass, shut the fuck up fan boy. Also, you don't even play XBL that much or you really suck at the games you play.[/quote]
You're telling me to grow up and get a life when you make the posts you do?

Really...?

Oh, and you're whining like baby again.
 
Wow. :lol:

Anyways, on topic:
I'm sure if there is going to be some changes at all, then it'll be announced in a few months at E3.
Although, they better have a good presentation and execution plan for it, otherwise they are going to turn a lot of people off to the idea in whole. They're better off leaving it alone, but if MS wants to rake in more money, who knows what they're cooking up. :roll:
 
At the risk of adding gasoline to the fire, XBL really is just a better overall online service than PSN. Play HD remix and SF4 on xbox 360 and ps3. For whatever reason PS3 has connection issues with HD remix and desycning/rollback or whatever, is really bad at the start of a lot of matches. It does work itself out as the matches go on, but it's still annoying.

SF4 on ps3 on average seems to have more input lag than the 360 version, no matter how solid the connection appears to be. Normal attacks that I wanna use as anti air comes out too slow to be of use against obvious jumpers, despite it working perfectly offline and I don't even bother with complicated combos online anymore. I'm sure most people won't notice it, but when your game revolves more than dragon punching + jumping and sweeping (which works too well since the damned lag makes quickly shifting from standing block to low block hard) it's very noticeable and annoying. Puzzle Fighter on PSN felt like it had more lag, but I dunno, it's been a while since I played it. The disconnectors were out of hand on that game though.



I dunno how I feel about this rumored VIP membership, but I play PS3 SF at a friend's house and those issues annoy us to no end.
 
I don't have an Xbox yet but always pay attention to this stuff since being a PC gamer online play is really important to me

This looks really fake to me every feature except the online storage are completely useless

I do have the feeling there is something coming but I hope for you guys it isn't this haha
 
[quote name='Sparta Omni']My 2 cents:
I pay about 25 for a 13 month card, and that's far worth it to me.
I hated playing on PSN. It's far from total crap, though.

On PSN, I felt as though I was playing with bots, since no one seems to have a mic, and a lot of the times, I was kicked off or disconnected for no reason.

Not only that, but I love using the ability to talk to friends in other games in a huge party, listen to music streamed from my PC, and all of that, which I cannot do on the PSN. Maybe I was just spoiled.

So, while XBL isn't for everyone who wants to pay, I don't mind paying about 25-30 bucks for over a year of convenient, smooth, and fun service, that I didn't quite get on the PSN.
Not to mention, winning free prizes, contests, early demos/dlc, exclusive DLC, playing with fame and devs, and also other featured content is nice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a "console war" or even a service war, I'm just stating my opinions why I much prefer XBL or PSN.

But being that PSN is free, it's a great service for what it does. ;)[/QUOTE]


I wouldn't even classify that as opinion.. everyone knows XBL is better than PSN. You get what you paid for.

[quote name='fatmanforlife99']Wow what a joke, you insult me and you think its ok to clamp down a service so a few years later you can call it VIP and say it's better. What a fucking fan boy, just cause all you can afford is an Xbox 360, doesn't mean you need to suck its balls too. Wow what a fucking joke you are. :applause:



Another thing I never said is I never wanted to be free. I am happy with what I got now.[/QUOTE]

1. We're all civilized here, don't be an asshole.
2. Why do you feel entitled to get something for free? This isn't the Soviet Union.
 
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Huh? You don't have to be signed in there, do you? I'm not. I added the text to the OP, anyway.[/QUOTE]

Guess you don't. It does not come up right in IE8 and all I saw on the page was to log in.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I wouldn't even classify that as opinion.. everyone knows XBL is better than PSN. You get what you paid for.[/quote]
It does have more features and a smoother overall experience. That's fact not opinion. But, not everyone seems care about those features, and as long as they are playing a human on the otherside for free, than they're 100% happy. Others are willing to put up 20-40 bucks to have more, so it really just depends on the person playing I guess. But yeah, over-all, LIVE offers more.
 
I guess it was only a matter of time until MS did this. Some of the posts in this thread make me think that most people will gladly pay for it too.

However someone wants to spend their money is usually okay with me but I really think this LIVE stuff is totally out of control.
 
[quote name='SuxoR']I don't have an Xbox yet but always pay attention to this stuff since being a PC gamer online play is really important to me

This looks really fake to me every feature except the online storage are completely useless

I do have the feeling there is something coming but I hope for you guys it isn't this haha[/quote]

I too believe this is fake, and hope it is.
It's sad some idiot out there can just make something believable up and it spreads across the net as gospel. But, it IS the internet, so not to hard to believe, really. :lol: And for all we know, it could be true!

Anyways, the only new feature I am aware of coming out here soon, is prime-time. I highly doubt they'd add something like this right after or before, but it is MS after-all.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I wouldn't even classify that as opinion.. everyone knows XBL is better than PSN. You get what you paid for.



1. We're all civilized here, don't be an asshole.
2. Why do you feel entitled to get something for free? This isn't the Soviet Union.[/quote]

For the third time, when did I say I wanted ANYTHING for free. Damn phrost. Anyways I am dropping this, arguing with little kids is pretty fucking annoying.
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']For the third time, when did I say I wanted ANYTHING for free. Damn phrost. Anyways I am dropping this, arguing with little kids is pretty fucking annoying.[/QUOTE]

1. Yes, you actually did say that you wanted it free.

[quote name='fatmanforlife99']It's a service I enjoy, I dont mind paying it, but what is pissing me off is to pay MORE MONEY for a better connection makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]


2. I'm 23, you need to have some respect when you speak to me.
 
Microsoft can't handle DRM and usage on my own system, what makes you think they'll do any better with fantasy storage?

No thanks. I'll continue to gladly pay
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']1. Yes, you actually did say that you wanted it free.
2. I'm 23, you need to have some respect when you speak to me.[/quote]
Don't bother man, he may claim to be 20, but I've hard more intelligent arguments with kids who admit they're 12. :D
 
Alright smart ass, again where in that post did I say that? I even said I dont mind paying. Are you fucking retarded? I will never show you respect, you cant even read.:applause:
 
[quote name='Sparta Omni']Don't bother man, he may claim to be 20, but I've hard more intelligent arguments with kids who admit they're 12. :D[/quote]

You again hahaha, if you call phrost intelligent , I guess your retarded too.
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']It's a service I enjoy, I dont mind paying it, but what is pissing me off is to pay MORE MONEY for a better connection makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]

Idiot.
 
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']You again hahaha, if you call phrost intelligent , I guess your retarded too.[/quote]
you're

If you're going to troll, at least make sure you don't have anything wrong with your posts - otherwise you look like slidecage.
 
Again, read the first part, you must be ESL or something, Damn I am done with this. JJSP, I am not trolling, if anybody is trolling it's the two retards that can't read. Anyways, I am going to go watch the UFC fight. Have fun reading, durrrrrr
 
Why are you STILL talking like this is REAL...its not, its fake as is most content from that website...someone needs to close this topic
 
[quote name='cmart05']5 pages over a rumor on a website with no credible sources.

Brilliant guys![/quote]

Well that's how the xbox fanboys and SDF rolls, they love arguing.
 
I'm pretty sure it's fake. But we're free to discuss this as long as we want. Why does it need to be closed just because it's not officially announced yet? This is a game forum, correct?

[quote name='Thongsy']Well that's how the xbox fanboys and SDF rolls, they love arguing.[/quote]
Or useless posts like this. :roll:
 
Wow, this thread turned to shit rather quickly didnt it.


On topic. I am on the fence about this. Although I would hate to have to pay more (depending on how much more is) to get dedicated serves (something I think we should already have) I dont see a problem with it unless they start taking away gold features.

I dont really mind because every single service based company on the planet does this. There has always been a small, medium and large as well as a bronze sliver gold package of some sort.

Its a easy way to get maximum money from people who are willing to pay it yet still keep the people who want to pay less.
 
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