S.F. OKs toughest recycling law in U.S.

well, we should be seperating our garbage but the fact is that the system can't handle it.

ours just lumps all garbage into one and if it's not carboard or plastic bottle/glass it's tossed into garbage.

I know there are more ways to recycle than just the two.

For food stuffs... compost. I would agree that it should go to recycle somewhere... not in garbage.
 
I think composting would get more support if it weren't referred to as composting.. traditionally composting is gross and smells terrible, most ppl still associate it with that. Their three bins should be: recyclable trash, biodegradable trash, nonbiodegradable trash. I honestly think a lot more ppl would compost if it were just referred to as separating biodegradable/nonbiodegradable like they do recyclable/nonrecyclable.
 
[quote name='Koggit']I think composting would get more support if it weren't referred to as composting.. traditionally composting is gross and smells terrible, most ppl still associate it with that. Their three bins should be: recyclable trash, biodegradable trash, nonbiodegradable trash. I honestly think a lot more ppl would compost if it were just referred to as separating biodegradable/nonbiodegradable like they do recyclable/nonrecyclable.[/QUOTE]

hmm. i don't know that it's a semantic issue like that. though i agree that my *own* perception of compost is "stinky hippie's backyard," I don't think that's what's stopping me.

It's convenience and effort. It's convenient, and takes less effort, to say "don't need it? fuck it!" and put it in the trash, whatever "it" is. No matter what you call it.

At least we don't have the 4 kinds of garbage that the Japanese do.

In the end, I'm on the fence about fines for garbage mixing. On one hand, it's a bit much - on another, Americans do require incentives to be a bit less fucking gluttonous and lazy. Yet on one more (I'm vishnu!) hand, I'm rather skeptical that this will be enforced with any regularity or consistency.
 
I think we should get more Americans to recycle plastic, glass, and aluminum before we worry about orange peels. Eventually, some animal is gonna rip the bag open and all the biodegradable stuff will, well, degrade.
 
i recycle my beer cans & my pizza boxes. but orange peels... i dunno i just figure that stuff will go away. i wonder how much all this costs...
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']i dunno i just figure that stuff will go away.[/QUOTE]

not when it's placed in plastic trash bags that don't break down.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']not when it's placed in plastic trash bags that don't break down.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever been to a dump? Those bags get torn into by birds and other small critters looking for food. It's part of the reason why the smell is so horrible. If all the bags stayed nice and sealed, you couldn't smell the dump from six blocks away. The degradable items do get exposed and start to degrade.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']You know the government is out of control when it tries to tell you what you can and can't fucking throw away.[/QUOTE]

Well, to be fair, it is just the city government, I guess you could probably just move away if you didn't like it.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']We recycle plastic, glass and paper on our own here. My rabbits generally eat any organic garbage we have.[/QUOTE]

That should be the new recycling initiative, everyone gets a rabbit.:)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']hmm. i don't know that it's a semantic issue like that.

It's convenience and effort. It's convenient, and takes less effort, to say "don't need it? fuck it!" and put it in the trash, whatever "it" is. No matter what you call it.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking... ya know any prius/luxury car prick/rich person isn't going to give a shit what it's called period. That or if it's someone that thinks they are special like a celeb they'll embrace it like god sent them here to save us.

lol
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']I was thinking... ya know any prius/luxury car prick/rich person isn't going to give a shit what it's called period. That or if it's someone that thinks they are special like a celeb they'll embrace it like god sent them here to save us.

lol[/QUOTE]

Wow, you're making my posts on this particular board look relevant and well though-out.
 
Recycling is junk, it costs more than it saves, and the manufacturing process that goes into, and comes out of, the act of recycling in and of itself arguably causes as much pollution as the process of making new products, and that's before you factor in all the overhead costs of recycling that end up making the production of new goods less expensive.

There are companies now that turn landfills into parks and golf courses with absolutely zero effect on the environment, but since society seems to associate landfills with heaping garbage piles, they may have a hard time gaining popularity.

The best solution overall is to produce less and reuse the things we have. Bags, containers, clothing, etc. are all things that should not be thrown in the trash, and can easily be reused forever.
 
[quote name='spmahn']Recycling is junk, it costs more than it saves, and the manufacturing process that goes into, and comes out of, the act of recycling in and of itself arguably causes as much pollution as the process of making new products, and that's before you factor in all the overhead costs of recycling that end up making the production of new goods less expensive.

There are companies now that turn landfills into parks and golf courses with absolutely zero effect on the environment, but since society seems to associate landfills with heaping garbage piles, they may have a hard time gaining popularity.[/QUOTE]

we've covered the anti-recycling propaghanda rather extensively before, i believe, after someone like thrust posted that penn & teller episode about it.. pretty sure we debunked your sides' claims.

[quote name='spmahn']The best solution overall is to produce less and reuse the things we have.[/QUOTE]

you're almost there.. the proper slogan is "reduce, reuse, recycle".. still 2/3 aint bad
 
[quote name='Koggit']we've covered the anti-recycling propaghanda rather extensively before, i believe, after someone like thrust posted that penn & teller episode about it.. pretty sure we debunked your sides' claims.
[/QUOTE]

Any chance you could point me to this discussion, I'd like to read it.
 
I dont really remember anything about it.. I think it was linked by Thrust and I think it was a Google Video link. I don't remember what the thread was originally about or anything like that so I'd have trouble tracking it down.
 
What I don't get is recycling programs says sort your stuff, but the garbage man just dumps that whole fucking bin into the back of the truck and scatters everything anyway. Must be so they can identify stuff that shouldn't be in the bin easier? I don't know. Maybe my garbagemen are just lazy.

Either way, recycling is probably more important just because if we didn't you'd run out of places to put all that shit. It most likely doesn't all degrade at the dump as fast as we pile it on, certainly not with the way we consume so much more now. If you didn't have recycling, you'd just have the same NIMBA protests as there are with nuclear power plants. I've actually got a dump down the road, it doesn't smell though, surprisingly. I think because they bury it all. There's smokestack-like things all over this giant hill. It's not a traditional dump where everything is just tossed on a mound. I've seen one of those though, I think the smell wouldn't bother people so much as the noise of all those seagulls.
 
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[quote name='crunchb3rry']What I don't get is recycling programs says sort your stuff, but the garbage man just dumps that whole fucking bin into the back of the truck and scatters everything anyway. Must be so they can identify stuff that shouldn't be in the bin easier? I don't know. Maybe my garbagemen are just lazy.

Either way, recycling is probably more important just because if we didn't you'd run out of places to put all that shit. It most likely doesn't all degrade at the dump as fast as we pile it on, certainly not with the way we consume so much more now. If you didn't have recycling, you'd just have the same NIMBA protests as there are with nuclear power plants. I've actually got a dump down the road, it doesn't smell though, surprisingly. I think because they bury it all. There's smokestack-like things all over this giant hill. It's not a traditional dump where everything is just tossed on a mound. I've seen one of those though, I think the smell wouldn't bother people so much as the noise of all those seagulls.[/QUOTE]

It all gets mixed together because in many areas the amount of recyclable good outnumbers their ability to recycle them, so most of what you think is going to be recycled will just end up in a landfill anyways.

As far as running out of places to put garbage, that's largely a myth as well, as we have landfill space in the Mid-West large enough to hold our trash for several lifetimes.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I think we should get more Americans to recycle plastic, glass, and aluminum before we worry about orange peels. Eventually, some animal is gonna rip the bag open and all the biodegradable stuff will, well, degrade.[/QUOTE]

I think we should get more Americans to use less plastic, glass, and aluminum before worrying about orange peels.
 
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