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It really seems like he doesnt give a shit if anyone likes him
It really seems like he doesnt give a shit if anyone likes him
Sadly he's a better pitcher than president
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thrustbucket
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I'm not a Bush fan, but I would never want a president that was concerned about popularity over what they felt was right.
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[quote name='thrustbucket']I'm not a Bush fan, but I would never want a president that was concerned about popularity over what they felt was right.[/quote]
Do you think Bush feels he has done what is right for the country?
Do you think Bush feels he has done what is right for the country?
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Do you think Bush feels he has done what is right for the country?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I do . In hindsight, he may regret some decisions, but I truly believe he believes he's doing what's right.
Do you feel like his goal is to do harm to the country?
Yeah I do . In hindsight, he may regret some decisions, but I truly believe he believes he's doing what's right.
Do you feel like his goal is to do harm to the country?
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[quote name='thrustbucket']I'm not a Bush fan, but I would never want a president that was concerned about popularity over what they felt was right.[/quote]
I am not talking about doing what is popular I am talking about caring that the people who you represent actually respect you. He really doesnt give a shit and is going to glide like the lame duck he is till January when it is someone else's problem
I am not talking about doing what is popular I am talking about caring that the people who you represent actually respect you. He really doesnt give a shit and is going to glide like the lame duck he is till January when it is someone else's problem
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[quote name='thrustbucket']Yeah I do . In hindsight, he may regret some decisions, but I truly believe he believes he's doing what's right.
Do you feel like his goal is to do harm to the country?[/quote]
Bush, like all presidents, wants to have a legacy of success.
Early in his presidency, he declared war on Iraq on the gamble that they had WMDs.
IF Bush had found WMDs, the Republicans would be in control of the government for decades to come.
His gamble failed. Rather than admit failure, he puts the military and, by extension, the American people in an unsustainable position.
The short answer to your question is yes. Bush is putting the fate of some backwater country over the well being of many Americans.
IF Bush had used 9/11 to convert the country to full electric cars and infrastructure to support them in a way to divert money away from terrorist sponsoring states, America would be far safer than it is now and various Middle East countries would be in their death throes.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 like you said.
Do you feel like his goal is to do harm to the country?[/quote]
Bush, like all presidents, wants to have a legacy of success.
Early in his presidency, he declared war on Iraq on the gamble that they had WMDs.
IF Bush had found WMDs, the Republicans would be in control of the government for decades to come.
His gamble failed. Rather than admit failure, he puts the military and, by extension, the American people in an unsustainable position.
The short answer to your question is yes. Bush is putting the fate of some backwater country over the well being of many Americans.
IF Bush had used 9/11 to convert the country to full electric cars and infrastructure to support them in a way to divert money away from terrorist sponsoring states, America would be far safer than it is now and various Middle East countries would be in their death throes.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 like you said.
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Bush, like all presidents, wants to have a legacy of success.
Early in his presidency, he declared war on Iraq on the gamble that they had WMDs.
IF Bush had found WMDs, the Republicans would be in control of the government for decades to come.
His gamble failed. Rather than admit failure, he puts the military and, by extension, the American people in an unsustainable position.
The short answer to your question is yes. Bush is putting the fate of some backwater country over the well being of many Americans.
IF Bush had used 9/11 to convert the country to full electric cars and infrastructure to support them in a way to divert money away from terrorist sponsoring states, America would be far safer than it is now and various Middle East countries would be in their death throes.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 like you said.[/QUOTE]
Well that's an interesting and valid analysis. I don't entirely agree, but it's interesting.
The question, however, was not how you view Bush's actions. The question is how do you think Bush views his own actions. Do you think he thinks he is ruining America? Do you think he believes deep down that he is making lots of bad decisions?
Early in his presidency, he declared war on Iraq on the gamble that they had WMDs.
IF Bush had found WMDs, the Republicans would be in control of the government for decades to come.
His gamble failed. Rather than admit failure, he puts the military and, by extension, the American people in an unsustainable position.
The short answer to your question is yes. Bush is putting the fate of some backwater country over the well being of many Americans.
IF Bush had used 9/11 to convert the country to full electric cars and infrastructure to support them in a way to divert money away from terrorist sponsoring states, America would be far safer than it is now and various Middle East countries would be in their death throes.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 like you said.[/QUOTE]
Well that's an interesting and valid analysis. I don't entirely agree, but it's interesting.
The question, however, was not how you view Bush's actions. The question is how do you think Bush views his own actions. Do you think he thinks he is ruining America? Do you think he believes deep down that he is making lots of bad decisions?
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Of course, hindsight is 20/20 like you said.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it's far from hindsight. Hell, about half the country knew it was a bad idea before it happened.
[quote name='thrustbucket']The question, however, was not how you view Bush's actions. The question is how do you think Bush views his own actions. Do you think he thinks he is ruining America? Do you think he believes deep down that he is making lots of bad decisions?[/QUOTE]
How is that a valid defense for anybody, anywhere? Bad things don't happen because some James Bond bad guy in an iron mask who lives in a volcano wants to be Evil. Everyone always thinks they're doing the right thing. Nixon thought the country needed his leadership so badly, it justified breaking and entering, so that he'd have a leg up on his political opponents.
, I'll Godwin this right now: Hitler absolutely knew he was helping Germany out of its economic slump and that eventually Europe would be a better place under the well-ordered leadership of the Reich. Even if Bush adamantly believed he was doing the right thing ... so what?
Unfortunately, it's far from hindsight. Hell, about half the country knew it was a bad idea before it happened.
[quote name='thrustbucket']The question, however, was not how you view Bush's actions. The question is how do you think Bush views his own actions. Do you think he thinks he is ruining America? Do you think he believes deep down that he is making lots of bad decisions?[/QUOTE]
How is that a valid defense for anybody, anywhere? Bad things don't happen because some James Bond bad guy in an iron mask who lives in a volcano wants to be Evil. Everyone always thinks they're doing the right thing. Nixon thought the country needed his leadership so badly, it justified breaking and entering, so that he'd have a leg up on his political opponents.
, I'll Godwin this right now: Hitler absolutely knew he was helping Germany out of its economic slump and that eventually Europe would be a better place under the well-ordered leadership of the Reich. Even if Bush adamantly believed he was doing the right thing ... so what?
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Thrustbucket I see what you're saying, but you're wrong. He surely didn't have the best interests of the people in mind when he made sure that his buddies and his cronies' companies got billion dollar contracts at the expense of the American people. His administration is corrupt and captured with cronyism (not good signs that he even BELIEVED he was doing the right thing).
It also doesnt help that the man is aing complete moron.
It also doesnt help that the man is a
ing complete moron.thrustbucket
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[quote name='trq']Unfortunately, it's far from hindsight. Hell, about half the country knew it was a bad idea before it happened.
How is that a valid defense for anybody, anywhere? Bad things don't happen because some James Bond bad guy in an iron mask who lives in a volcano wants to be Evil. Everyone always thinks they're doing the right thing. Nixon thought the country needed his leadership so badly, it justified breaking and entering, so that he'd have a leg up on his political opponents., I'll Godwin this right now: Hitler absolutely knew he was helping Germany out of its economic slump and that eventually Europe would be a better place under the well-ordered leadership of the Reich. Even if Bush adamantly believed he was doing the right thing ... so what?[/QUOTE]
Your missing the point, I'm not trying to create a defense. I'm merely curious if people think he intentionally hates his country and wants to see it destroyed. Or at least is conscious of his so-called "bad decisions".
[quote name='pittpizza']Thrustbucket I see what you're saying, but you're wrong. He surely didn't have the best interests of the people in mind when he made sure that his buddies and his cronies' companies got billion dollar contracts at the expense of the American people. His administration is corrupt and captured with cronyism (not good signs that he even BELIEVED he was doing the right thing).
It also doesnt help that the man is aing complete moron.[/QUOTE]
You are both still missing my point/question.
I'm not asking for analysis of his decisions. Anyone can, and does, that in every other post in this whole sub-forum.
I simply thought it would be an interesting question. Completely remove yourself from opinion of his actions and just try to analyze the man.
One more time. Do you feel that President Bush cares about this country? Do you believe that HE BELIEVES that he is doing the right thing and making the best decisions for this country?
Please now, if you are unable to answer without injecting your own opinion and analysis of Bush's decisions, just don't reply. Again, I have no intention of using anyone's answer as some type of defense for Bush. I'm purely curious.
How is that a valid defense for anybody, anywhere? Bad things don't happen because some James Bond bad guy in an iron mask who lives in a volcano wants to be Evil. Everyone always thinks they're doing the right thing. Nixon thought the country needed his leadership so badly, it justified breaking and entering, so that he'd have a leg up on his political opponents.
, I'll Godwin this right now: Hitler absolutely knew he was helping Germany out of its economic slump and that eventually Europe would be a better place under the well-ordered leadership of the Reich. Even if Bush adamantly believed he was doing the right thing ... so what?[/QUOTE]Your missing the point, I'm not trying to create a defense. I'm merely curious if people think he intentionally hates his country and wants to see it destroyed. Or at least is conscious of his so-called "bad decisions".
[quote name='pittpizza']Thrustbucket I see what you're saying, but you're wrong. He surely didn't have the best interests of the people in mind when he made sure that his buddies and his cronies' companies got billion dollar contracts at the expense of the American people. His administration is corrupt and captured with cronyism (not good signs that he even BELIEVED he was doing the right thing).
It also doesnt help that the man is a
ing complete moron.[/QUOTE]You are both still missing my point/question.
I'm not asking for analysis of his decisions. Anyone can, and does, that in every other post in this whole sub-forum.
I simply thought it would be an interesting question. Completely remove yourself from opinion of his actions and just try to analyze the man.
One more time. Do you feel that President Bush cares about this country? Do you believe that HE BELIEVES that he is doing the right thing and making the best decisions for this country?
Please now, if you are unable to answer without injecting your own opinion and analysis of Bush's decisions, just don't reply. Again, I have no intention of using anyone's answer as some type of defense for Bush. I'm purely curious.
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[quote name='thrustbucket']Your missing the point, I'm not trying to create a defense. I'm merely curious if people think he intentionally hates his country and wants to see it destroyed. Or at least is conscious of his so-called "bad decisions".
You are both still missing my point/question.
I'm not asking for analysis of his decisions. Anyone can, and does, that in every other post in this whole sub-forum.
I simply thought it would be an interesting question. Completely remove yourself from opinion of his actions and just try to analyze the man.
One more time. Do you feel that President Bush cares about this country? Do you believe that HE BELIEVES that he is doing the right thing and making the best decisions for this country?
Please now, if you are unable to answer without injecting your own opinion and analysis of Bush's decisions, just don't reply. Again, I have no intention of using anyone's answer as some type of defense for Bush. I'm purely curious.[/quote]
Thrust I did answer your question. Actually I think I mentioned "he believes" in my post, once I even typed it in all caps. So re-read my previous post to find the answer to your question (which it did, in fact answer). All of my points were addressing why I don't think Bush believes what he was doing was in the best interests of his country b/c of the corruption and cronyism. (Similar to how the Enron execs wouldn't beleive that what they were doing was in the best interest of their shareholders). It's even tough for a complete moron idiot-son-of-an-asshole to beleive that what he was doing was in the best interests of his country, unless he thinks that a corrupt totalitarian tryannical leader, who thinks it's better to put money into Cheny and the rest of his good ol' buddies' pocketbooks than the American public's, is in the best interest of Americans. He is pretty simple though, so it is possible I guess.
I'll just go ahead and take this opportunity to point out that his approval rating is record settingly low, so if he did beleive it (see my posts as to why I don't think this is the case) he is in a stark, deluded minority.
You are both still missing my point/question.
I'm not asking for analysis of his decisions. Anyone can, and does, that in every other post in this whole sub-forum.
I simply thought it would be an interesting question. Completely remove yourself from opinion of his actions and just try to analyze the man.
One more time. Do you feel that President Bush cares about this country? Do you believe that HE BELIEVES that he is doing the right thing and making the best decisions for this country?
Please now, if you are unable to answer without injecting your own opinion and analysis of Bush's decisions, just don't reply. Again, I have no intention of using anyone's answer as some type of defense for Bush. I'm purely curious.[/quote]
Thrust I did answer your question. Actually I think I mentioned "he believes" in my post, once I even typed it in all caps. So re-read my previous post to find the answer to your question (which it did, in fact answer). All of my points were addressing why I don't think Bush believes what he was doing was in the best interests of his country b/c of the corruption and cronyism. (Similar to how the Enron execs wouldn't beleive that what they were doing was in the best interest of their shareholders). It's even tough for a complete moron idiot-son-of-an-asshole to beleive that what he was doing was in the best interests of his country, unless he thinks that a corrupt totalitarian tryannical leader, who thinks it's better to put money into Cheny and the rest of his good ol' buddies' pocketbooks than the American public's, is in the best interest of Americans. He is pretty simple though, so it is possible I guess.
I'll just go ahead and take this opportunity to point out that his approval rating is record settingly low, so if he did beleive it (see my posts as to why I don't think this is the case) he is in a stark, deluded minority.
[quote name='thrustbucket']Your missing the point, I'm not trying to create a defense. I'm merely curious if people think he intentionally hates his country and wants to see it destroyed. Or at least is conscious of his so-called "bad decisions".[/QUOTE]
Oh. Right-o, then. Then yeah, I'd say he thinks he's doing the right thing. Not sure what I can say beyond that -- I'm sure there's some element of "Aw, it won't hurt anyone" like with PittPizza's Haliburton example, which isn't "trying to do the right thing" per se, but it's not active maliciousness, either. As for being aware of his missteps, I'd say no, I don't think he is. And that's where a lot of the problem comes in.
Oh. Right-o, then. Then yeah, I'd say he thinks he's doing the right thing. Not sure what I can say beyond that -- I'm sure there's some element of "Aw, it won't hurt anyone" like with PittPizza's Haliburton example, which isn't "trying to do the right thing" per se, but it's not active maliciousness, either. As for being aware of his missteps, I'd say no, I don't think he is. And that's where a lot of the problem comes in.
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[quote name='thrustbucket']The question, however, was not how you view Bush's actions. The question is how do you think Bush views his own actions. Do you think he thinks he is ruining America? Do you think he believes deep down that he is making lots of bad decisions?[/quote]
That's a tough call.
Bush clearly has access to all of the data about America.
If he looks at it and believes the country headed in the right direction, that's damn near psychotic.
That doesn't necessarily mean he accepts responsibility for the country's direction.
However, it would be nice to peer into his brain and determine why he thinks everything is going the way it is and who is the culprit.
That's a tough call.
Bush clearly has access to all of the data about America.
If he looks at it and believes the country headed in the right direction, that's damn near psychotic.
That doesn't necessarily mean he accepts responsibility for the country's direction.
However, it would be nice to peer into his brain and determine why he thinks everything is going the way it is and who is the culprit.
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Sometimes I wonder if there is a much deeper conspiracy underlying the decisions he is making, that's why I asked.
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I do believe that Bush believes he is doing the right thing for the country.
With that in mind, I'd prefer a President with better cognitive ability than that - wko is willing to believe he's doing the right thing by pushing policies based on research and facts than gut instinct and ideology.
In other words, anyone pushing supply-side economic policies in this day and age is an ideologue with no basis in reality. Guess which of the three current presidential candidates supports supply-side policies? Here's a hint: it's the candidate who refers to their self as someone who "doesn't understand economics."
With that in mind, I'd prefer a President with better cognitive ability than that - wko is willing to believe he's doing the right thing by pushing policies based on research and facts than gut instinct and ideology.
In other words, anyone pushing supply-side economic policies in this day and age is an ideologue with no basis in reality. Guess which of the three current presidential candidates supports supply-side policies? Here's a hint: it's the candidate who refers to their self as someone who "doesn't understand economics."
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[quote name='mykevermin']
In other words, anyone pushing supply-side economic policies in this day and age is an ideologue with no basis in reality. Guess which of the three current presidential candidates supports supply-side policies? Here's a hint: it's the candidate who refers to their self as someone who "doesn't understand economics."[/quote]
but he's a maverick, he can just maverick his way though things
In other words, anyone pushing supply-side economic policies in this day and age is an ideologue with no basis in reality. Guess which of the three current presidential candidates supports supply-side policies? Here's a hint: it's the candidate who refers to their self as someone who "doesn't understand economics."[/quote]
but he's a maverick, he can just maverick his way though things
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I really hope he believes he's doing the right thing. Would you really want a President who didn't?
He's very personable. Too bad he's President. And no, he's not a complete moron.
He's very personable. Too bad he's President. And no, he's not a complete moron.
Bush had plans to invade Iraq since he became President. What I hate him for is misleading the US people into thinking the Iraq invasion had something to do with September 11th. I sort of agree with the US's invasion of Afghanistan, but I still don't know why we went to Iraq.
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[quote name='CocheseUGA']...he's not a complete moron.[/quote]
Yes he is.
[quote name='ananag112']Bush had plans to invade Iraq since he became President. What I hate him for is misleading the US people into thinking the Iraq invasion had something to do with September 11th. I sort of agree with the US's invasion of Afghanistan, but I still don't know why we went to Iraq.[/quote]
Agreed.
Yes he is.
[quote name='ananag112']Bush had plans to invade Iraq since he became President. What I hate him for is misleading the US people into thinking the Iraq invasion had something to do with September 11th. I sort of agree with the US's invasion of Afghanistan, but I still don't know why we went to Iraq.[/quote]
Agreed.
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[quote name='pittpizza']Yes he is.
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No more than you are.
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No more than you are.
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