SAW 4 have you seen it?? and like it

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just got back from the 2pm showing and bleh... maybe they are coming too soon to one another but this one wasnt just as good as the others

i think they should push these maybe every other year


it was an okay show. worth 6 bucks to see it and probally go see it again once it hits the buck show. Will buy it once it comes out on dvd


see the movie and see if you can answer this question


should this been saw 4 or saw 3.5


how do you do the spolier tag again
 
All these movies are just gore, what's the point of that?

They will make at least 10 of these, one a year, because the movies cost 20 million to make and they get that back in a weekend.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']All these movies are just gore, what's the point of that?

They will make at least 10 of these, one a year, because the movies cost 20 million to make and they get that back in a weekend.[/QUOTE]

well sort of this movie had no GORE in it. compair to the other ones.

I would give the movie a B+ for around the first 60 to 65 mins but then the last 20 mins they tryed to push so much info into the movie the AVG person will become very confused and ask

What the #$#$## just happened .


at least its 1000% better then the other movie Catacombs that twisted pictures put out on cable Fear.net


i dont think they cost that much...

dont know if anyone can confirm but i heard once

they shoot them in 14 to 21 days and cost under 10 million to make

dont know if its still true or not. ALso heard Saw 5 and 6 was already shot and done
 
Haven't seen it yet, but they really need to stop making this crap after the third film. Sequels just get worse as time goes on.

I'll wait for the dvd.
 
[quote name='slidecage']it was an okay show. worth 6 bucks to see it and probally go see it again once it hits the buck show. Will buy it once it comes out on dvd [/QUOTE]


This is exactly why they are making these movies every year. You say you really didn't like it, but would gladly pay for the DVD. Hello, McFly?
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']This is exactly why they are making these movies every year. You say you really didn't like it, but would gladly pay for the DVD. Hello, McFly?[/QUOTE]

buying a dvd dont mean a thing. If this was the point then we would see TRANSFOMERS 2 coming next summer and SPiderman 4 coming as well.

hell i know people who hated Transformers but got the dvd just to buy the movie.
when did i say i didnt like it

i said it was okay i dont remember saying i didnt like it
 
Off topic but wasnt BUmble bee a VW wagon? why turn it into a camero

edit nevermind maybe it switched bodys when the car door hit the other car??

point is its not coming out next year and if they realy wanted to they could put it out next year if cost was no problem

also just saying BUYING THE DVD dont mean they are going to make another one the following year
 
I always like it when people said "Whos that fucker in the clown suit riding the tricycle..is that the killer??"....haha...I dont think people give a hell about the story just how the people involved try to escape death.
 
[quote name='slidecage']buying a dvd dont mean a thing. If this was the point then we would see TRANSFOMERS 2 coming next summer and SPiderman 4 coming as well.

hell i know people who hated Transformers but got the dvd just to buy the movie.
when did i say i didnt like it

i said it was okay i dont remember saying i didnt like it[/quote]

Except your argument doesn't make sense. The two movies you used are both special effects heavy and add to the cost of a movie as well as adding time to render said special effects. Saw just needs special makeup that you could pick up at a costume shop. Applying the makeup wouldn't be too far beyond picking up tips in Fangoria magazine unlike learning to manipulate 3DSMax or proprietary software.
 
[quote name='Bathory']I always like it when people said "Whos that fucker in the clown suit riding the tricycle..is that the killer??"....haha...I dont think people give a hell about the story just how the people involved try to escape death.[/QUOTE]
I would be one of those people.. Saw along with the Final Destination movies were fun to watch just to see the crazy ways people could die/would have to do to not die. Who cares about the story?
 
I respect Saw. The original is a fantastic horror film on a tiny budget. They hit all the right notes and there was hardly any gore in it. In fact they didn't even have any money to incorporate gore effects. The majority of the violence was left to the audience's imagination and terrific direction. It's like Psycho where everyone imagines that they actually see the woman in the shower get stabbed when they never show that happening in the film.

The rest of the series is soulless shit.
 
movies out here are at least $8.50 for matinee; they love to keep jacking up the price despite the fact that there aren't many or any good movies these days. I either rent or wait until they come out in the cheapy theater which plays movies a few weeks after the initial release. I saw the last three saws, and I might see this one, just not for the full price 'cause I doubt it is worth it.
 
bad thing is the last 30 mins if you havent seen part 2 and part 3 you have no clue who the hell these people are. ALSO they keep jumping all around the story line

This happened before part 2 , this happen in part 3 o by the way this is going on right now.

you have no idea what is Real time what is before part 2 or going on during part 3

also anyone notice the doll looked completely different at the start then where it is now. the first doll look like it had a afro LOL
 
Jigsaw's autopsy opens the film. Very graphic. The wax tape from the last movie is found in Jigsaw's stomach. Detective Hoffman is notified, arrives in the medical examiner's room and he plays the tape, Jigsaw promises even after death, his games will continue as his message.

First trap is shown, two men are connected to locks and a chain to a pulley device in the middle of a room somewhere. One has his eyes sewn shut, one has his mouth sewn shut. They are unable to communicate with each other. The keys to their freedom is on the back of the other's neck. The device is started and it slowly pulls them both closer as the chain is wrapped around an axle and it forces them to fight to the death (with various weapons to use), otherwise the machine will kill them both. The mute guy kills the blind guy by bludgening him to death with the back of an ax. Afterwards, he uses the key that he took earlier during the melee and opens his lock. He rips his stiches in the process and his lips bleed profusely.

(There was no TV or tape message for the two men to inform them why they were there or how to escape their trap.)

SAW IV title appears

Detective Kerry's body is found where she was killed by the police task force led by Detective Hoffman. Sgt. Riggs is part of the team and he breaks protocol by rushing to Kerry thinking she was still alive when her face is shown to the unit by a bomb rover robot that was sent in first. He is scolded by Hoffman for doing that. They are greeted by FBI agents Perez and Strahm. Kerry was their liason to the police department. The agents go over the crime scene and deduce that Jigsaw was not physically able to to get Kerry up on the Angel of Death trap because of his bed ridden condition and neither was Amanda because she was not strong enough. There's a third person involved. Hoffman sees that Riggs is emotionally wrecked by discovering his dead friend and sends him home.

Riggs arrives home to see his wife leaving him because he's never home due to his duties as a police officer. He takes the break-up like a champ and goes to bed after she leaves. He wakes up after hearing the door open. Thinking its his wife, he gets up and looks around his blackoutted home before being attacked by The Pig Man. He wakes up in his own shower that's on and realizes he's part of Jigsaw's game when he sees the cryptic red messages smeared on the wall. He goes into the next room and activates the TV informing he has 90 minutes to save the lives of Detective Matthews and Detective Hoffman (who was kidnapped shortly after he sent Riggs home), but along the way he will tested on whether or not to save the lives of other victims of Jigsaw's game (ala Saw III). In the next room, he finds a woman chained a chair.In the tape recorder next to her, Jigsaw informs that Riggs can make the choice to save her or walk away before the time expires.

Second trap: The timer starts and the woman's hair is bound to a turning axle that is slowly ripping her scalp off. Riggs tried to cut her off, but all his sharp and cutting tools have been removed from his house. He tries shooting the gears, but that doesn't stop the machine. He saves the woman by unlocking the combination to free her after discovering the numbers on the gears off the machine. While he isn't looking, the woman named Brenda grabs a knife that was hidden and tries to kill him. Shocked and confused, Rigg is forced to kill her. She had a tape player on her that informed her that if she didn't kill Rigg, she would be going to prison for life because there was incriminating evidence of her placed in Rigg's home.

Rigg's next test leads him a motel where the front desk clerk is the next subject. Jigsaw left Riggs two keys. One is for a motel room that is filled with pictures hung on the wall of battered women and a bed that has shackles attached to it.

The clerk (forgot his name) comes into the room because he wanted to confront Rigg about not checking in. The clerk turns out to be a rapist in Jigsaw's next tape player who enjoyed taking pictures of all his female victims as well as videotaping his forced sexual acts with them. Rigg forces him at gun point to harness himself in the bed shackles.

Third trap: The clerk will be killed if he does not gouge out both his eyes within the time limit. He manages to take out one after pushing a button for a mini-scythe to plunge into his eyeball, but he cannot take out the other and he is killed in brutal fashion (his death was pretty much censored for the most part, but it looked like all his limbs were lopped off by bigger scythes latched over the bed). Riggs leaves to his next test location.

Rigg is led to a classroom where a man and a woman are tied up with each other's backs touching. They were both impaled by sharp metal poles, but the woman is still alive. Her test was to pull out the poles, otherwise she would bleed to death. The man was her abusive husband and he was a goner anyway because the poles had penetrated vital arteries in his system. He was only still living because the poles were stopping massive bleeding, but the wife decided to save herself and he dies because of this. Rigg has the key to her chain and gives it to her because she is only able to free herself as Jigsaw states in the tape message there. Rigg leaves to go take the final test.

All while these events are going on, Agent Perez and Strahm comes across the trap crime scenes one by one. They debate whether Rigg is a victim of Jigsaw's newest game or an accomplice (has incriminating evidence piling against him with his disappearance and dead bodies showing up). They are informed that a doctor (Lynn) from a hospital and Detective Hoffman are missing.

Eric Matthews had been missing for 6 months. (Kerry's first name is revealed to be Allison by the way, forgot to mention that earlier.) Following the sewer fight with Amanda, Matthews was abducted by a hooded man, put in a cell alone, fed, and his broken foot held in placed by a metal brace that was attached by the man during this time frame. In present time, his trap has him in a noose over the block of ice that will melt once the 90 minute limit is up.

Detective Hoffman is bound in a chair next to Matthews. Their traps are on a large tipping scale, which means they are connected to each other. If Matthews' body is off the block of ice that is holding him up, not only will he be hung, but Hoffman will be lowered into water and electrocuted (wires are placed from a power grid) nearby if the weight difference reaches a certain level.

A man is in the same room as them and he is watching all the tests of Rigg through several monitors and it turns out to be the guy that survived from the trap from the beginning of the movie. His name is Art. He was Jigsaw and Jill's lawyer, but he also represented the rapist clerk (got him cleared off three rape cases) and the abusive husband.

The abusive husband also gave his young daughter the same treatment as his wife and lied to the police about it when he was questioned at the station. This was when Rigg was still new to the force. He attacks the man and is facing a lawsuit for the incident, but Hoffman sticks up for him and lies to Art saying the guy attacked Rigg first.

We are led to believe that Art is Jigsaw's replacement, but not so as it is revealed that he is just the new Zepp (in a game of his own and forced to help carry the game out). He has a weird contraption strapped to his back that will probably kill him if tampered with or if it reaches a time limit. it is not explained how he got that on him, how the contraption works, or why he is in another game when he survived the last one. He gives Matthews a gun with one bullet and Eric has to shoot whoever comes through the front door before they open it otherwise he will be killed by giant ice blocks coming down and crushing his head (think the log trap from Return of The Jedi).

Art also has an electronic box with a red button on it that when pushed him, him and Matthews will be released from their trap, but Art cannot push the button until Rigg's timer expires.

Agent Perez and Strahm track down John's ex-wife Jill and bring her to the station to be interrogated. It turns out John was an engineer who was head of his own company and ready to settle down with Jill and be a family man, but left that all behind him following the death of his first and unborn child along with being diagnosed with cancer when he attempted suicide.

Having survived trying to take his own life, John became Jigsaw and tracked down the man responsible for murdering his child. (The man is Cecil and he was a drug addict and thief. He causes the baby's death when he slams a door into Jill's pregnant stomach when he returns to Jill's clinic, where she worked, after closing hours to retrieve his coat. John witnessed him running from the scene as he was waiting to pick up Jill from work.)

We see Jigsaw taking inital steps to his iconic role as he is trying out different test messages with his altered voice as well as designing and building the traps. He cleverly abducts Cecil in public in broad daylight during a Chinese festival and brings him back to his workshop in development. Cecil is Jigsaw's first test subject.

Original trap: Cecil is bound to a chair. His wrists and ankles are all stabbed through with knives (Cecil had a thing for knives) and to be released from the trap before he bleeds to death, he must push his face as hard as he can through even more knives. He does this after several failed attempts of not applying enough facial pressure, is cut up pretty bad, but he does not learn his lesson and tries to kill Jigsaw, but misses when Jigsaw sidesteps and Cecil falls into a different trap meant for someone else and gets wrapped up in barb wire and dies.

Jill notices John is becoming more distant and volatile since the baby's death and suicide attempt. Jigsaw breaks up with her.

Agent Strahm gets furious with Jill during interrogation because she has incriminating evidence against her mainly due to her past relationship with John, but she maintains her innocence.

Agent Perez gets injured by a booby trap (grenade hidden inside Billy The Puppet's head) during the class room crime scene search. The wife managed to free herself and survived.)

Agent Strahm figures out Rigg is going to the warehouse (where the final test is) that Jigsaw owned and tries to intercept him there. Agent Strahm arrives there and enters the warehouse through a different entrance than Rigg.

Final test: Rigg enters the warehouse and opens the door to the room Matthews, Hoffman, and Art are in. Not knowing who is coming through, Detective Matthews takes aim and fires, only wounding Rigg in the shoulder. The trap is sprung and Matthews dies a sh**ty death as his head is smashed by the two big ice blocks coming down from opposite directions, not even knowing what happened to his son Daniel or Kerry. Rigg uses the last of his bullets to kill Art, thinking he was behind it. A tape recorder is there for Rigg to play. "Hello Zepp" plays and Jigsaw informs him that he failed his game since the point was to save Eric and he caused Eric's death instead. The point of the game was that according to Jigsaw's belief. People cannot be saved by others, but only by themselves. And Rigg's obsession with wanting to save people backfired on him. Had Rigg waited a second longer, Art could've pushed the button and they would all be alive.

Hoffman unties himself and walks over, it is revealed that he was the other apprentice of Jigsaw (like Amanda, he was pretending to be a game victim). He wasn't kidnapped. We just assumed he was. He was the one who kidnapped Kerry and Dr. Denlon as The Pig Man. He helped put Kerry in her death trap since he was strong enough to lift her, he wrote the letter in Amanda's envelope, but the contents of it were still NOT revealed! !@#$%^&*, he also knocked out Rigg at his house and helped set up his game. Hoffman leaves Rigg in the room.

It is revealed the events of SAW IV are taking place immediately following SAW III by a few moments. The warehouse Rigg and Strahm are in is the location of SAW III. Strahm winds up in Jigsaw's lair hearing the ending conversation of SAW III with Jigsaw talking to Jeff then the buzz saw, explosion, and the metal door closing. He opens it and sees Jeff holding a gun. Jeff thinks Strahm is involved and asks where his daughter is before being shot to death.

Strahm looks around and sees the bodies of Jigsaw, Amanda, and Lynn. Hoffman comes from where he was and closes the metal door locking Strahm inside. Hoffman turns the lights inside the room off and walks away.

We cut back to the Autopsy Room with Hoffman listening to Jigsaw's tape from the beginning. We assumed Jigsaw left it for any detective, but it was specifically meant for Hoffman to listen to. Jigsaw said his work would continue because with him and Amanda dead, Hoffman is now the new Jigsaw. The beginning of SAW IV was actually the ending. Jigsaw's face is the final shot before cutting to credits.
 
I thought it was pretty good, then again I was expecting blood and gore and it delivered.

Didn't really care for the story since all the Saw movies rely on the twist at the end.
 
you might want to put spolier tags to your post


FIRST QUESTION

So this entire movie took part at the same time as Part 3 ???

this is why im saying this should be called 3.5 NOT 4

ALSO i though for sure the other person was (NOT SURE ON HIS NAME BUT HE PLAYS BEN leader of the others on lost since he was in part 1 and he knew his name and all of his details )


about the story

Third trap: The clerk will be killed if he does not gouge out both his eyes within the time limit. He manages


I think he got both of them set BUT LIKE the cop women these were not Jigsaws Traps and there is no way to escape them. he did put out both his eyes but the trap went off..... think of being tied to 4 horses and being ripped apart



also with all the heat you would think the big ice blocks would melt and fall off those chains



also

Original trap: Cecil is bound to a chair. His wrists and ankles are all stabbed through with knives (Cecil had

i dont think this trap was meant for someone else he was studing the trap idea (this is what killed the dude in the first one.



notice how he was taking notes seeing how the person would die.





only thing i can think NOT ANSWER

where is that mans little child is she dead ??

also why would they just leave that cop and say game over there was nothing wrong with him so why couldnt he just get up and leave ??
 
[quote name='whoknows']I thought it was pretty good, then again I was expecting blood and gore and it delivered.

Didn't really care for the story since all the Saw movies rely on the twist at the end.[/QUOTE]


its not just saw

every movie so far TWISTED PICTURES has made Ends the same way with a twist at the end
 
I have to admit the ending made my jaw drop. If I thought about it hard enough, I probably could have figured it out when they said "its not exactly a sequel but its not a prequel"
 
I love how Slidecage mentions spoiler tags but doesn't do it himself.

[.spoiler]Inane babble.[/.spoiler] without the periods.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I love how Slidecage mentions spoiler tags but doesn't do it himself.

[.spoiler]Inane babble.[/.spoiler] without the periods.[/QUOTE]


thanks as you can see in post 1 i been asking how to do the spoiler tags

mine is fixxed
 
I'm a sucker for this series. I just bought the box set (even though I own all three movies already), so I plan on watching them before seeing IV.

Read Zen's synopsis, sounds decent. Can't wait.
 
I liked the first two, but the series has gotten so convoluted and up its own ass with plot twists that it isn't worth my time anymore.

I'm all for a good plot twist, or multi-twists if they're done well (Memento comes to mind), but having twists for the sake of having twists is as useless and cheap a film device as a deus ex machina. It's like the director is aspiring to be the next Shyamalan...
 
I totally missed something
Why did the detective become the new jigsaw?
This one felt lacking in the story and seemed to focus only on the gore. Oh yeah, funniest thing for me was a five year old sitting in front of me the whole time.
 
The coolest thing about Saw was the concept that people had to cut their own foot off. That's why the original Saw was a success. The implied brutality. The twist was just an added cherry. Now the twist is the entire she-bang.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']slidecage doesn't give very good reviews. I liked it, but I didn't think it was any good....hmmm ok.[/QUOTE]


LOL i said the same thing it was okay.


Personally i think this should been SAW 3 and pretend Saw 3 was never made (this made a better part 3 --- part 3 just sucked) but then in a way PART 4 was just a rehash of part 2

best story part 1. Best traps probally 1 or 2


what is the since of Traps now since there is no way to escape them. even if you do what they tell you to do , the people still die

scary part is an avg guy could just walk into a store and buy all of these pieces to build these traps
 
[quote name='slidecage']

what is the since of Traps now since there is no way to escape them. even if you do what they tell you to do , the people still die

scary part is an avg guy could just walk into a store and buy all of these pieces to build these traps[/quote]

Theres always been a way to escape them, except the ones Amanda made. And I doubt the average person has the brains to make those traps, don't forget, Jigsaw is pretty much a genius, especially when it came to engineering.
 
[quote name='opterasis']Theres always been a way to escape them, except the ones Amanda made. And I doubt the average person has the brains to make those traps, don't forget, Jigsaw is pretty much a genius, especially when it came to engineering.[/QUOTE]

i thought the fat guy hit both buttons but the trap still went off.

also i wonder if the box with all the broken glass will be in saw 5.

the iceblock trap didnt have a way to escape either though

so i wonder if they just have 100s of these just lying around . if they found his lair wouldnt they found all of the traps ?

well hopefully 5 goes back to part 1 roots


are you scaried is a good clone of saw

hopefully tonight or monday i will get GAG though the mail another saw rip
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']All these movies are just gore, what's the point of that?

They will make at least 10 of these, one a year, because the movies cost 20 million to make and they get that back in a weekend.[/QUOTE]
No. First one cost $1.2 mil, #2 cost $4 mil, #3 cost $10 mil. First one grossed $55 mil, 2 and 3 grossed over $80 mil each. So yeah... your point still stands.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']All these movies are just gore, what's the point of that?

They will make at least 10 of these, one a year, because the movies cost 20 million to make and they get that back in a weekend.[/QUOTE]

More like they make their money back on the first night.
 
I saw it last night, the ending made no fucking sense. The first 3 had better endings, part 4 was just awful. Plus part 3 and 4 were just gorefest compared to 1 and 2.
 
[quote name='slidecage']i thought the fat guy hit both buttons but the trap still went off.

also i wonder if the box with all the broken glass will be in saw 5.

the iceblock trap didnt have a way to escape either though

so i wonder if they just have 100s of these just lying around . if they found his lair wouldnt they found all of the traps ?

well hopefully 5 goes back to part 1 roots


are you scaried is a good clone of saw

hopefully tonight or monday i will get GAG though the mail another saw rip[/quote]First, stop raping the English language, second the fat guy didn't hit the second button before the timer went off. Third, the ice block trap was escapable. The SWAT guy just had to wait until the timer had countdown so the lawyer could hit the release button and they all could have gone free.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I respect Saw. The original is a fantastic horror film on a tiny budget. They hit all the right notes and there was hardly any gore in it. In fact they didn't even have any money to incorporate gore effects. The majority of the violence was left to the audience's imagination and terrific direction. It's like Psycho where everyone imagines that they actually see the woman in the shower get stabbed when they never show that happening in the film.

The rest of the series is soulless shit.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. The 1st movie had a fairly well thought out plot and they knew what they wanted to do.

The 2nd film had a disposable cast for a lot of pointless violence, but the ending almost made it worth it
(who thought that fucking kid was in the safe???)

The 3rd movie... ugh. I'm glad I didn't pay to see it. Absolute trash.

But IGN actually gave #4 a fairly positive review, so I might be willing to watch it sometime.
 
[quote name='Scrubsy']First, stop raping the English language, second the fat guy didn't hit the second button before the timer went off. Third, the ice block trap was escapable. The SWAT guy just had to wait until the timer had countdown so the lawyer could hit the release button and they all could have gone free.[/QUOTE]


yes but they keep saying you have to

SAVE YOURSELF someone else cant save you

there is no way the person could saved himself on the iceblocks he had to rely on someone else. Therefore the trap was not escapeable.

also was he wearing boots or was hes feet black cause of the ice (frostbit)


and who knows what that release button would of done if he hit it. NOthing kept the dude from hitting it early.

also with that chic getting her hair ripped out why wouldnt you telled him there was a knife to cut her hair instead of her head being ripped like that.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I respect Saw. The original is a fantastic horror film on a tiny budget. They hit all the right notes and there was hardly any gore in it. In fact they didn't even have any money to incorporate gore effects. The majority of the violence was left to the audience's imagination and terrific direction. It's like Psycho where everyone imagines that they actually see the woman in the shower get stabbed when they never show that happening in the film.

The rest of the series is soulless shit.[/QUOTE]

QFT

I can safely say I hate this fucking series. Not because of teh films themselves really, but because of the tons of near-retarded Ghetto trash children that just HAVE to see this movie.

After working the opening night, I really wanted nothing better than to just run in Saw III and beating the living shit on whatever hood rat piece of shit I see first.:bomb: :bomb: :bomb:
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']QFT

I can safely say I hate this fucking series. Not because of teh films themselves really, but because of the tons of near-retarded Ghetto trash children that just HAVE to see this movie.

After working the opening night, I really wanted nothing better than to just run in Saw III and beating the living shit on whatever hood rat piece of shit I see first.:bomb: :bomb: :bomb:[/QUOTE]


werid thing happen when i saw it and asked a few people i knew who seen it and other films and they said same thing

About in the middle of the show an older man walks into the show

sits down for around 10 mins leaves returns with popcorn

sits there for around another 15 mins leaves and never returns


is this the manager ??? (i seen people walking around with flashlights ) but this person comes in leaves comes back eats and then leaves again LOL

did this with 28 weeks later. transformers and saw 4 (only 3 movies i seen this year) friends said they been seeing the same thing off an on

AHHHHH Maybe its a ghost WOOOOOOO....

Also dude i know working at theather said They are thinking about making a RETURN PASS

Say you go to the movie friday and pay 8 bucks. the return pass will allow you to see the movie again within so many days for a discount (they said 30% off the weekend 50% off weekdays)

they said this would boost up $$$$ they bring in.

might just be a local thing. but i think that would kick ass

i still remember the days of the GOLDEN CARD that allowed you to see as many movies as you wanted a year. Bad thing i was yonger back then and could never afford the price of 500 to 1000 bucks
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']
Jigsaw's autopsy opens the film. Very graphic. The wax tape from the last movie is found in Jigsaw's stomach. Detective Hoffman is notified, arrives in the medical examiner's room and he plays the tape, Jigsaw promises even after death, his games will continue as his message.

First trap is shown, two men are connected to locks and a chain to a pulley device in the middle of a room somewhere. One has his eyes sewn shut, one has his mouth sewn shut. They are unable to communicate with each other. The keys to their freedom is on the back of the other's neck. The device is started and it slowly pulls them both closer as the chain is wrapped around an axle and it forces them to fight to the death (with various weapons to use), otherwise the machine will kill them both. The mute guy kills the blind guy by bludgening him to death with the back of an ax. Afterwards, he uses the key that he took earlier during the melee and opens his lock. He rips his stiches in the process and his lips bleed profusely.

(There was no TV or tape message for the two men to inform them why they were there or how to escape their trap.)

SAW IV title appears

Detective Kerry's body is found where she was killed by the police task force led by Detective Hoffman. Sgt. Riggs is part of the team and he breaks protocol by rushing to Kerry thinking she was still alive when her face is shown to the unit by a bomb rover robot that was sent in first. He is scolded by Hoffman for doing that. They are greeted by FBI agents Perez and Strahm. Kerry was their liason to the police department. The agents go over the crime scene and deduce that Jigsaw was not physically able to to get Kerry up on the Angel of Death trap because of his bed ridden condition and neither was Amanda because she was not strong enough. There's a third person involved. Hoffman sees that Riggs is emotionally wrecked by discovering his dead friend and sends him home.

Riggs arrives home to see his wife leaving him because he's never home due to his duties as a police officer. He takes the break-up like a champ and goes to bed after she leaves. He wakes up after hearing the door open. Thinking its his wife, he gets up and looks around his blackoutted home before being attacked by The Pig Man. He wakes up in his own shower that's on and realizes he's part of Jigsaw's game when he sees the cryptic red messages smeared on the wall. He goes into the next room and activates the TV informing he has 90 minutes to save the lives of Detective Matthews and Detective Hoffman (who was kidnapped shortly after he sent Riggs home), but along the way he will tested on whether or not to save the lives of other victims of Jigsaw's game (ala Saw III). In the next room, he finds a woman chained a chair.In the tape recorder next to her, Jigsaw informs that Riggs can make the choice to save her or walk away before the time expires.

Second trap: The timer starts and the woman's hair is bound to a turning axle that is slowly ripping her scalp off. Riggs tried to cut her off, but all his sharp and cutting tools have been removed from his house. He tries shooting the gears, but that doesn't stop the machine. He saves the woman by unlocking the combination to free her after discovering the numbers on the gears off the machine. While he isn't looking, the woman named Brenda grabs a knife that was hidden and tries to kill him. Shocked and confused, Rigg is forced to kill her. She had a tape player on her that informed her that if she didn't kill Rigg, she would be going to prison for life because there was incriminating evidence of her placed in Rigg's home.

Rigg's next test leads him a motel where the front desk clerk is the next subject. Jigsaw left Riggs two keys. One is for a motel room that is filled with pictures hung on the wall of battered women and a bed that has shackles attached to it.

The clerk (forgot his name) comes into the room because he wanted to confront Rigg about not checking in. The clerk turns out to be a rapist in Jigsaw's next tape player who enjoyed taking pictures of all his female victims as well as videotaping his forced sexual acts with them. Rigg forces him at gun point to harness himself in the bed shackles.

Third trap: The clerk will be killed if he does not gouge out both his eyes within the time limit. He manages to take out one after pushing a button for a mini-scythe to plunge into his eyeball, but he cannot take out the other and he is killed in brutal fashion (his death was pretty much censored for the most part, but it looked like all his limbs were lopped off by bigger scythes latched over the bed). Riggs leaves to his next test location.

Rigg is led to a classroom where a man and a woman are tied up with each other's backs touching. They were both impaled by sharp metal poles, but the woman is still alive. Her test was to pull out the poles, otherwise she would bleed to death. The man was her abusive husband and he was a goner anyway because the poles had penetrated vital arteries in his system. He was only still living because the poles were stopping massive bleeding, but the wife decided to save herself and he dies because of this. Rigg has the key to her chain and gives it to her because she is only able to free herself as Jigsaw states in the tape message there. Rigg leaves to go take the final test.

All while these events are going on, Agent Perez and Strahm comes across the trap crime scenes one by one. They debate whether Rigg is a victim of Jigsaw's newest game or an accomplice (has incriminating evidence piling against him with his disappearance and dead bodies showing up). They are informed that a doctor (Lynn) from a hospital and Detective Hoffman are missing.

Eric Matthews had been missing for 6 months. (Kerry's first name is revealed to be Allison by the way, forgot to mention that earlier.) Following the sewer fight with Amanda, Matthews was abducted by a hooded man, put in a cell alone, fed, and his broken foot held in placed by a metal brace that was attached by the man during this time frame. In present time, his trap has him in a noose over the block of ice that will melt once the 90 minute limit is up.

Detective Hoffman is bound in a chair next to Matthews. Their traps are on a large tipping scale, which means they are connected to each other. If Matthews' body is off the block of ice that is holding him up, not only will he be hung, but Hoffman will be lowered into water and electrocuted (wires are placed from a power grid) nearby if the weight difference reaches a certain level.

A man is in the same room as them and he is watching all the tests of Rigg through several monitors and it turns out to be the guy that survived from the trap from the beginning of the movie. His name is Art. He was Jigsaw and Jill's lawyer, but he also represented the rapist clerk (got him cleared off three rape cases) and the abusive husband.

The abusive husband also gave his young daughter the same treatment as his wife and lied to the police about it when he was questioned at the station. This was when Rigg was still new to the force. He attacks the man and is facing a lawsuit for the incident, but Hoffman sticks up for him and lies to Art saying the guy attacked Rigg first.

We are led to believe that Art is Jigsaw's replacement, but not so as it is revealed that he is just the new Zepp (in a game of his own and forced to help carry the game out). He has a weird contraption strapped to his back that will probably kill him if tampered with or if it reaches a time limit. it is not explained how he got that on him, how the contraption works, or why he is in another game when he survived the last one. He gives Matthews a gun with one bullet and Eric has to shoot whoever comes through the front door before they open it otherwise he will be killed by giant ice blocks coming down and crushing his head (think the log trap from Return of The Jedi).

Art also has an electronic box with a red button on it that when pushed him, him and Matthews will be released from their trap, but Art cannot push the button until Rigg's timer expires.

Agent Perez and Strahm track down John's ex-wife Jill and bring her to the station to be interrogated. It turns out John was an engineer who was head of his own company and ready to settle down with Jill and be a family man, but left that all behind him following the death of his first and unborn child along with being diagnosed with cancer when he attempted suicide.

Having survived trying to take his own life, John became Jigsaw and tracked down the man responsible for murdering his child. (The man is Cecil and he was a drug addict and thief. He causes the baby's death when he slams a door into Jill's pregnant stomach when he returns to Jill's clinic, where she worked, after closing hours to retrieve his coat. John witnessed him running from the scene as he was waiting to pick up Jill from work.)

We see Jigsaw taking inital steps to his iconic role as he is trying out different test messages with his altered voice as well as designing and building the traps. He cleverly abducts Cecil in public in broad daylight during a Chinese festival and brings him back to his workshop in development. Cecil is Jigsaw's first test subject.

Original trap: Cecil is bound to a chair. His wrists and ankles are all stabbed through with knives (Cecil had a thing for knives) and to be released from the trap before he bleeds to death, he must push his face as hard as he can through even more knives. He does this after several failed attempts of not applying enough facial pressure, is cut up pretty bad, but he does not learn his lesson and tries to kill Jigsaw, but misses when Jigsaw sidesteps and Cecil falls into a different trap meant for someone else and gets wrapped up in barb wire and dies.

Jill notices John is becoming more distant and volatile since the baby's death and suicide attempt. Jigsaw breaks up with her.

Agent Strahm gets furious with Jill during interrogation because she has incriminating evidence against her mainly due to her past relationship with John, but she maintains her innocence.

Agent Perez gets injured by a booby trap (grenade hidden inside Billy The Puppet's head) during the class room crime scene search. The wife managed to free herself and survived.)

Agent Strahm figures out Rigg is going to the warehouse (where the final test is) that Jigsaw owned and tries to intercept him there. Agent Strahm arrives there and enters the warehouse through a different entrance than Rigg.

Final test: Rigg enters the warehouse and opens the door to the room Matthews, Hoffman, and Art are in. Not knowing who is coming through, Detective Matthews takes aim and fires, only wounding Rigg in the shoulder. The trap is sprung and Matthews dies a sh**ty death as his head is smashed by the two big ice blocks coming down from opposite directions, not even knowing what happened to his son Daniel or Kerry. Rigg uses the last of his bullets to kill Art, thinking he was behind it. A tape recorder is there for Rigg to play. "Hello Zepp" plays and Jigsaw informs him that he failed his game since the point was to save Eric and he caused Eric's death instead. The point of the game was that according to Jigsaw's belief. People cannot be saved by others, but only by themselves. And Rigg's obsession with wanting to save people backfired on him. Had Rigg waited a second longer, Art could've pushed the button and they would all be alive.

Hoffman unties himself and walks over, it is revealed that he was the other apprentice of Jigsaw (like Amanda, he was pretending to be a game victim). He wasn't kidnapped. We just assumed he was. He was the one who kidnapped Kerry and Dr. Denlon as The Pig Man. He helped put Kerry in her death trap since he was strong enough to lift her, he wrote the letter in Amanda's envelope, but the contents of it were still NOT revealed! !@#$%^&*, he also knocked out Rigg at his house and helped set up his game. Hoffman leaves Rigg in the room.

It is revealed the events of SAW IV are taking place immediately following SAW III by a few moments. The warehouse Rigg and Strahm are in is the location of SAW III. Strahm winds up in Jigsaw's lair hearing the ending conversation of SAW III with Jigsaw talking to Jeff then the buzz saw, explosion, and the metal door closing. He opens it and sees Jeff holding a gun. Jeff thinks Strahm is involved and asks where his daughter is before being shot to death.

Strahm looks around and sees the bodies of Jigsaw, Amanda, and Lynn. Hoffman comes from where he was and closes the metal door locking Strahm inside. Hoffman turns the lights inside the room off and walks away.

We cut back to the Autopsy Room with Hoffman listening to Jigsaw's tape from the beginning. We assumed Jigsaw left it for any detective, but it was specifically meant for Hoffman to listen to. Jigsaw said his work would continue because with him and Amanda dead, Hoffman is now the new Jigsaw. The beginning of SAW IV was actually the ending. Jigsaw's face is the final shot before cutting to credits.
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Thanks for posting it(I'm not being sarcastic, if it comes off that way). Sounds like I should wait for the DVD release in february, like I've done with the past 3 movies. This sounds like the one I'm probably going to dislike the most, just because it jumps around too much.
 
Well, I just watched Hostel II last night and I must say, Saw IV is one of the greatest movies ever made compared to it :lol:

Moral of the story- It could always have been worse.
 
[quote name='RiCeBo1']I saw it last night, the ending made no fucking sense. The first 3 had better endings, part 4 was just awful. Plus part 3 and 4 were just gorefest compared to 1 and 2.[/quote]

I think that says more about you than the movie, since it made sense to everyone else so far.
 
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