Senate Majority Leader sides with science and hope; of course christians are appalled

Let's not go crazy for Frist just yet. It was only a few months ago that he was misdiagnosing Terry Schiavo from a video tape.

I was listening to Boortz discuss this at lunch and he asked the question, "Why would Frist do this now knowing it's political suicide?" No one suggested the answer "because it's the right thing to do."
 
Burn The Heretic!!!!!!!

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[quote name='MrBadExample']Let's not go crazy for Frist just yet. It was only a few months ago that he was misdiagnosing Terry Schiavo from a video tape.

I was listening to Boortz discuss this at lunch and he asked the question, "Why would Frist do this now knowing it's political suicide?" No one suggested the answer "because it's the right thing to do."[/QUOTE]

In these trying times, I'll take what I can get.

In going for the centrist position, he'll probably never get through any Republican Presidential primaries.

However, to me the real story is all the rhetoric heaped upon Frist by the usual idiots-in-the-name-of-christ who are sitting right of Atilla the Hun on the political field. Now there is a segment of the population that needs to get a life, so they can stay the hell out of mine.
 
That man has lost his way. Give me five minutes with him in the confession booth and I will CLEANSE him of his unholy position.
 
I'm just curious, since you said "Christians" are appalled, if that means 85%+ of the country disagrees with stem cell research. Well, that must be the case considering that's the percentage of Christians that make up the population of the U.S.

Do you feel better being such a bigot?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I'm just curious, since you said "Christians" are appalled, if that means 85%+ of the country disagrees with stem cell research. Well, that must be the case considering that's the percentage of Christians that make up the population of the U.S.

Do you feel better being such a bigot?[/QUOTE]

Didn't have enough space in the title to say dogmatic, bigoted, and scientifically-ignorant christians (believe me I tried).

I figured anyone intelligent enough to read my entire post would get the idea, especially because I am thanking Frist who is a christian conservative himself.
 
Dammit!

Why am I agreeing with PAD lately?

Camoor, you're contantly Christ-bashing, and then you scream and shout at other people for Islam-bashing.

All of that hateful, vitriolic rhetoric you spout in reference to Christianity makes you sound like an angsty thirteen-year old, rebelling for no other reason than to rebel. I have seen some wonderfully erudite posts from you in the past; why can't you maintain that dignified level?
 
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Seriusly, this constant bickering gets us nowhere.

What is the purpose? It's not like anyone is going to change their mind.


Don't fucking do it again. - SP

Why? It's just poop. - QZ
 
[quote name='fanskad']Dammit!

Why am I agreeing with PAD lately?

Camoor, you're contantly Christ-bashing, and then you scream and shout at other people for Islam-bashing.

All of that hateful, vitriolic rhetoric you spout in reference to Christianity makes you sound like an angsty thirteen-year old, rebelling for no other reason than to rebel. I have seen some wonderfully erudite posts from you in the past; why can't you maintain that dignified level?[/QUOTE]

The enemy within is more dangerous then the enemy without.

The hypocracy of the christian right, propping up a lying, war-hungry, revenge-obsessed, corporate-controlled president and political party on the basis of their hatred for gays and women's rights makes my stomach turn.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']Quack, you just don't learn, do ya?[/QUOTE]
Seriously, is PAD ever going to become a democrat? Are you ever going to support Bush?

It's all an excercise in futility!
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Seriously, is PAD ever going to become a democrat? Are you ever going to support Bush?

It's all an excercise in futility![/QUOTE]
I was talking about the photo.

And sometimes futility is the only exercise I get. :lol:
 
[quote name='camoor']The enemy within is more dangerous then the enemy without.

The hypocracy of the christian right, propping up a lying, war-hungry, revenge-obsessed, corporate-controlled president and political party on the basis of their hatred for gays and women's rights makes my stomach turn.[/QUOTE]

Great statement. You just defined every political leader that will ever aspire to a realisitc chance to be President.

Every candidate must make mainstream Christian appeal. Every administration would have been forced into war after 2001. Every President is beholden to money that got him elected. No President will come out and embrace gay marriage. I have no idea where you're taking "women's rights" except to imply that you want women to be able to legally kill their unwanted children.

Feel better now that you just summed up American politics at the highest level?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Every administration would have been forced into war after 2001.[/QUOTE]
Not with Iraq. That was Bush's war to avenge his Daddy. I can't see any other recent major presidential candidate that would have insisted on war in Iraq on the flimsy evidence we had.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I was listening to Boortz discuss this at lunch and he asked the question, "Why would Frist do this now knowing it's political suicide?" No one suggested the answer "because it's the right thing to do."[/QUOTE]
Actually, I can't imagine that he's doing this because he thinks its the right thing to do. I honestly suspect that he's doing it entirely for political advantage. His political career is already so badly damaged he doesn't really have anywhere to go but up. With a significant majority of Americans supporting stem cell research, this clearly looks to me like an attempt to appear more moderate, as opposed to the complete nutjob he revealed himself to be during the Schiavo case.

Its possible that he'll lose his 'Senate Majority Leader' status over this, but its better than flat-out losing his position in the senate completely.
 
[quote name='Drocket']Actually, I can't imagine that he's doing this because he thinks its the right thing to do. I honestly suspect that he's doing it entirely for political advantage. His political career is already so badly damaged he doesn't really have anywhere to go but up. With a significant majority of Americans supporting stem cell research, this clearly looks to me like an attempt to appear more moderate, as opposed to the complete nutjob he revealed himself to be during the Schiavo case.

Its possible that he'll lose his 'Senate Majority Leader' status over this, but its better than flat-out losing his position in the senate completely.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to guess Frist's motives, I just thought it was a sad commentary on politics today (on either side of the aisle) that it's never even considered that someone may take a certain position "because it's the right decision."
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I'm not trying to guess Frist's motives, I just thought it was a sad commentary on politics today (on either side of the aisle) that it's never even considered that someone may take a certain position "because it's the right decision."[/QUOTE]
I would take that as more a commentary on Frist than anything. Lets face it, the man wouldn't know the right thing to do if it bit him on the ass. He eats, sleeps and breaths for political advantage and personal gain.
 
Let's not forget how Frist backed off Terri Schiavo when public opinion polls started to turn against him. He's doing this because he'll gain more politcally doing this rather than following orders from a lame duck.
 
They always have. They're simply re-evaluating which position gives them the greatest personal advantage. With Bush's approval ratings in the toilet and still dropping, RoveGate still far from over (and probably just beginning in earnest), the War on Terror - sorry, 'struggle against extremism' - still not producing any real results.. Lets face it, its just not that surprising that politicians are jumping off the Bush bandwagon. Frist is just a smart enough man to realize where things at heading before most of them.
 
[quote name='camoor']The enemy within is more dangerous then the enemy without.

The hypocracy of the christian right, propping up a lying, war-hungry, revenge-obsessed, corporate-controlled president and political party on the basis of their hatred for gays and women's rights makes my stomach turn.[/QUOTE]

If you hadn't noticed, 82% of this country identifies themselves as Christian. Since the "Christian Right" doesn't take up 82% of the nation, I would take that to infer that the Left also identifies themselves as Christian. Blaming the perceived evils of the Republican party on Christianity is like blaming all Islam for suicide bombings. It's short-sighted, ludicrous, and naive.

It's just like Dean's ridiculous comments: "The Republican party is a predominately white Christian party." Well Dean, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but America is predominately a white Christian country.

Besides, name me one Leftist President, or for that matter, candidate who was not Christian. I only want one, then I will concede your point.
 
[quote name='fanskad']If you hadn't noticed, 82% of this country identifies themselves as Christian.[/QUOTE]

I love this 82% thing, I bet 82% of the country hasn't read the bible from cover to cover.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Burn The Heretic!!!!!!!

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That's not a heretic burning, it's a good old-fashioned negro bonfire!

Once again, blaming all christians is just as bad as the shit PAD spouts off with. It's "RADICALS" plain and simple.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I love this 82% thing, I bet 82% of the country hasn't read the bible from cover to cover.[/QUOTE]

It's a good percentage, and one that makes me happy, because it reminds me of my favorite statistic from a sociology text (and, because I'm a stats nerd, these kind of things make me laugh): 85% of American people surveyed consider themselves academically "Above Average." :lol:

Well, you know what they say: if it ain't Good News, it ain't a bible. ;)

I imagine that many people have plenty of experience with a bible, but not read it for themselves.

I'm going to get around to it, but I just finished Stephen King's Dark Tower series, Harry Potter VI, I'm halfway through the Lemony Snicket books, and I have a list of 160-some odd journal articles and books in preparation for an exam in November. Beyond that, I still plan on rereading The Chronicles of Narnia eventually. I think that, in the near future, reading the bible (which I'd genuinely like to do) comes after Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential, but before some things (though none come to mind :)).

OT, good for Frist; I don't want to fault the guy for doing things for political advantage, because that's Washington's modus operandi. I hope that he gets lauded for standing up amongst his party (and doesn't get "Specter'd"), but I can't say I'd hold my breath waiting for it to happen. This doesn't make him less of a buffoon or any less dangerous, but I happen to agree with him for once.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I love this 82% thing, I bet 82% of the country hasn't read the bible from cover to cover.[/QUOTE]
I'd be surprised if 8.2% of the country has read the bible from cover to cover.

Anyway, the only real problem with this thread, it seems to me, is in the title, specifically the "of course christians are appalled". That really should be "of course right-wing christians are appalled." People who identify themselves as Christians are the majority in this country, but even the majority of Christians support stem-cell research. Its a rather small but *extremely* vocal minority who oppose, well, pretty much everything...
 
[quote name='Drocket']I'd be surprised if 8.2% of the country has read the bible from cover to cover.

Anyway, the only real problem with this thread, it seems to me, is in the title, specifically the "of course christians are appalled". That really should be "of course right-wing christians are appalled." People who identify themselves as Christians are the majority in this country, but even the majority of Christians support stem-cell research. Its a rather small but *extremely* vocal minority who oppose, well, pretty much everything...[/QUOTE]

Yes and the problem is THAT majority that supports it more need to tell their politicians as vocally as this party does that they support it, taking away as much power from the Christian Right as possible.
Also I'm going to defend Camoor here. I honestly think he doesn't have problems with ANY Christian's except the far Right, the "Blame America first" crowd.
PAD I have to agree with most of your points about any of the future Presidents except the war one, I call complete bullshit on that.
I will say someday that if China truly becomes Capitalist they'll be so much more of a threat than now. My own personal opinion is in confrontation for the economic clash of us versus China we should unite with the EU and support buying products from each other. I also still support Australia, Thailand, Korea and Japan as well as Taiwan with product buying. This will become an economic struggle and as the arrogant American in me I REFUSE to take orders from assholes and scum like Hu Jintao.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's a good percentage, and one that makes me happy, because it reminds me of my favorite statistic from a sociology text (and, because I'm a stats nerd, these kind of things make me laugh): 85% of American people surveyed consider themselves academically "Above Average." :lol:[/QUOTE]

And 85% of those people are the stupidest mother fuckers you will ever meet. :lol:
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Also I'm going to defend Camoor here. I honestly think he doesn't have problems with ANY Christian's except the far Right, the "Blame America first" crowd.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, that's true.

I have many Christian friends, and I like most Christians.

The title is admittedly provacative - but if you take it literally it makes no sense anyway (after all, Frist is still a conservative Christian)

I think that most of the Christian Right wants to legislate Christian morality into the Constitution, law books, and schools. In their defense, if we're going to live under the morals of a particular religion, then admittedly you could do worse then Christianity. And it is their right to speak their mind, as long as they don't seek to violently overthrow the government.

I just hate to think that people are getting cancer/aids/whatever and we aren't doing everything we can to cure or prevent it - whatever the reason.

IMHO, the whole reason that the dogmatic and conservative christian church elders forbid, with no exceptions whatsoever, the use of abortion, condoms, homosexuality, etc is simple - they want more christian people, abiding by their rules, to be born. This is my interpretation of one of the main themes of the Old Testament. Islam does the same thing (men can have multiple wives, upteen kids...), it allows the religion in question to spread far and quickly (think of how many kids most devout catholic couples have).

Yeah, that's only a small, small part of Christianity but that's the political part that I see getting hammered again and again (this also pisses me off :razz: ). All life is sacred, even if it's the most suffering-filled hell-on-earth imaginable. How can we play god with sex, the rudamentary stages of a fetus, and extremely old, sick people in pain, begging to pass on (why not, we play god with nuclear energy and war every day)

I'm sure the 'life is sacred' crowd feels so strongly about their beliefs that they are frustrated with people like me (calling me baby killer and the like). Maybe this rhetoric and media-inspired shock tactic is useless - I just wonder what would happen if everybody took a philosophy course at least once in their life.

Thats my mind emptied. Without the BS.
 
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