Seriously, though, Nintendo is overlooked.
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sisco1986
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In my eyes Nintendo lost its steam after the SNES. The Playstation had an un-godly amount of games and so many great games on top of that. On the other hand N64 AAA titles could fit on just one bookshelf.
It's the same cycle this generation, Sony with so many great games, and Nintendo with just a handful of AAA titles. Nintendo has very few 3rd party developers and that hurts the GCN. Gaming is very mainstream now, and Nintendo doesn't fit the mold Sony laid out. I've always admired Nintendo for being the odd ball, but there are so many Casual gamers out there now, and being different my put some people off. That hurt the Nintendo last generation and it's seeping over into this generation. There’s countless theory's why Nintendo is lagging behind, this is just one.
Nintendo needs to bring more games to the console, and just not any games; innovative games. There where tons of awesome innovative games this generation on the GameCube, but most went under the radar of mainstream gamers, and that’s where the money is at. People have to remember Nintendo is a business, so more people means more money, and along with that money means more developers which equals more games and in the end we the gamers win. Nintendo needs to get there sh!t together, and start whoring out there system/games (advertising!) and start making heads turn with more innovative games, not just relying on flagship titles.
Gamers are going to be fed up with the same old pretty yet shallow games mainstream developers seem to be jamming down people throats this generation. Developers need to start growing small balls and start showing why people fell in love with gaming in the first place. Just my two cent's, you can keep the change.
It's the same cycle this generation, Sony with so many great games, and Nintendo with just a handful of AAA titles. Nintendo has very few 3rd party developers and that hurts the GCN. Gaming is very mainstream now, and Nintendo doesn't fit the mold Sony laid out. I've always admired Nintendo for being the odd ball, but there are so many Casual gamers out there now, and being different my put some people off. That hurt the Nintendo last generation and it's seeping over into this generation. There’s countless theory's why Nintendo is lagging behind, this is just one.
Nintendo needs to bring more games to the console, and just not any games; innovative games. There where tons of awesome innovative games this generation on the GameCube, but most went under the radar of mainstream gamers, and that’s where the money is at. People have to remember Nintendo is a business, so more people means more money, and along with that money means more developers which equals more games and in the end we the gamers win. Nintendo needs to get there sh!t together, and start whoring out there system/games (advertising!) and start making heads turn with more innovative games, not just relying on flagship titles.
Gamers are going to be fed up with the same old pretty yet shallow games mainstream developers seem to be jamming down people throats this generation. Developers need to start growing small balls and start showing why people fell in love with gaming in the first place. Just my two cent's, you can keep the change.
Zenithian Legend
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[quote name='dental_regurgitation']I think it's the fact that they used the little discs instead of standard dvds...[/quote]
That's part of it, despite Nintendo's theory "we're making a machine to play games" the DVD capabilities are a nice plus with the Xbox and PS2. Hopefully Nintendo's next system will use DVDs and include the DVD player.
[quote name='JohnHam'][quote name='Sartori'][quote name='JohnHam']The Gamecube (which I don't even own) [/quote]
Hi. You're part of the problem.
-Josh[/quote]
I'm not made of money, man!
:lol:[/quote]
Obviously not, you're made of HAM! mmm ham! (Ya that's a Darvin Hamm reference)
Back to the Nintendo, I've always been the type to buy a Nintendo product, but I must admit, I didn't rush out and buy the Gamecube, in fact I didn't get mine until last November, so roughly a year ago. There's some great GC games, but there are some areas Nintendo is severly lacking in. They need some more solid 3rd party games, and a greater focus on online play would open up the market too.
The release titles for the GC were quite sub-par especially in comparison to the PS and Xbox. Come on Nintendo, I know it was a good joke and all, but why open with a Luigi game instead of a Mario game? That's just blasphamy. Plus the Mario game we got, really wasn't too advanced from Mario 64. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 was a great game, a really great game, but that was also on the last system, new system, time to step it up.
It just really seems like Nintendo has been doing things kind of half-assed and could've put forth a lot more effort. They've got a chance to make-up some serious profit coming up though. With the next Zelda, Star Fox and Metroid games on the horizon, as well as a handful of other decent games. It does really hurt that RE4 isn't an exclusive anymore, and that they foolishly lost Rare, because as it was said before in this thread, Rare really carried the N64.
That's part of it, despite Nintendo's theory "we're making a machine to play games" the DVD capabilities are a nice plus with the Xbox and PS2. Hopefully Nintendo's next system will use DVDs and include the DVD player.
[quote name='JohnHam'][quote name='Sartori'][quote name='JohnHam']The Gamecube (which I don't even own) [/quote]
Hi. You're part of the problem.
-Josh[/quote]
I'm not made of money, man!
:lol:[/quote]
Obviously not, you're made of HAM! mmm ham! (Ya that's a Darvin Hamm reference)
Back to the Nintendo, I've always been the type to buy a Nintendo product, but I must admit, I didn't rush out and buy the Gamecube, in fact I didn't get mine until last November, so roughly a year ago. There's some great GC games, but there are some areas Nintendo is severly lacking in. They need some more solid 3rd party games, and a greater focus on online play would open up the market too.
The release titles for the GC were quite sub-par especially in comparison to the PS and Xbox. Come on Nintendo, I know it was a good joke and all, but why open with a Luigi game instead of a Mario game? That's just blasphamy. Plus the Mario game we got, really wasn't too advanced from Mario 64. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 was a great game, a really great game, but that was also on the last system, new system, time to step it up.
It just really seems like Nintendo has been doing things kind of half-assed and could've put forth a lot more effort. They've got a chance to make-up some serious profit coming up though. With the next Zelda, Star Fox and Metroid games on the horizon, as well as a handful of other decent games. It does really hurt that RE4 isn't an exclusive anymore, and that they foolishly lost Rare, because as it was said before in this thread, Rare really carried the N64.
hutno
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend'][quote name='dental_regurgitation']I think it's the fact that they used the little discs instead of standard dvds...[/quote]
That's part of it, despite Nintendo's theory "we're making a machine to play games" the DVD capabilities are a nice plus with the Xbox and PS2. Hopefully Nintendo's next system will use DVDs and include the DVD player.
[quote name='JohnHam'][quote name='Sartori'][quote name='JohnHam']The Gamecube (which I don't even own) [/quote]
Hi. You're part of the problem.
-Josh[/quote]
I'm not made of money, man!
:lol:[/quote]
Obviously not, you're made of HAM! mmm ham! (Ya that's a Darvin Hamm reference)
Back to the Nintendo, I've always been the type to buy a Nintendo product, but I must admit, I didn't rush out and buy the Gamecube, in fact I didn't get mine until last November, so roughly a year ago. There's some great GC games, but there are some areas Nintendo is severly lacking in. They need some more solid 3rd party games, and a greater focus on online play would open up the market too.
The release titles for the GC were quite sub-par especially in comparison to the PS and Xbox. Come on Nintendo, I know it was a good joke and all, but why open with a Luigi game instead of a Mario game? That's just blasphamy. Plus the Mario game we got, really wasn't too advanced from Mario 64. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 was a great game, a really great game, but that was also on the last system, new system, time to step it up.
It just really seems like Nintendo has been doing things kind of half-assed and could've put forth a lot more effort. They've got a chance to make-up some serious profit coming up though. With the next Zelda, Star Fox and Metroid games on the horizon, as well as a handful of other decent games. It does really hurt that RE4 isn't an exclusive anymore, and that they foolishly lost Rare, because as it was said before in this thread, Rare really carried the N64.[/quote]
Its to bad rare hasnt carried anything since the N64
That's part of it, despite Nintendo's theory "we're making a machine to play games" the DVD capabilities are a nice plus with the Xbox and PS2. Hopefully Nintendo's next system will use DVDs and include the DVD player.
[quote name='JohnHam'][quote name='Sartori'][quote name='JohnHam']The Gamecube (which I don't even own) [/quote]
Hi. You're part of the problem.
-Josh[/quote]
I'm not made of money, man!
:lol:[/quote]
Obviously not, you're made of HAM! mmm ham! (Ya that's a Darvin Hamm reference)
Back to the Nintendo, I've always been the type to buy a Nintendo product, but I must admit, I didn't rush out and buy the Gamecube, in fact I didn't get mine until last November, so roughly a year ago. There's some great GC games, but there are some areas Nintendo is severly lacking in. They need some more solid 3rd party games, and a greater focus on online play would open up the market too.
The release titles for the GC were quite sub-par especially in comparison to the PS and Xbox. Come on Nintendo, I know it was a good joke and all, but why open with a Luigi game instead of a Mario game? That's just blasphamy. Plus the Mario game we got, really wasn't too advanced from Mario 64. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 was a great game, a really great game, but that was also on the last system, new system, time to step it up.
It just really seems like Nintendo has been doing things kind of half-assed and could've put forth a lot more effort. They've got a chance to make-up some serious profit coming up though. With the next Zelda, Star Fox and Metroid games on the horizon, as well as a handful of other decent games. It does really hurt that RE4 isn't an exclusive anymore, and that they foolishly lost Rare, because as it was said before in this thread, Rare really carried the N64.[/quote]
Its to bad rare hasnt carried anything since the N64
Levizk
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Nintendo insists on using strange formats for their games to try and curb piracy, and the irony is that has hurt them more than piracy ever would have. In my mind the biggest reason Nintendo is so far behind and probably will never regain the top is Final Fantasy 7. That game gave Sony the premiere RPG console and they never let up after that. You figure if Nintendo just went to CD instead of staying with the lesser pirated cartridge they would most likely still have the Dragon Quest series, the Final Fantasy series, the Xenosaga series, Atlus would more than likely still develop for them exclusively, and even the Metal Gear series would most likely appear on the Nintendo first before it appeared on other consoles.
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Despite all their mistakes, I will continue to support Nintendo until the end, because they keep making games that captivate me.
The second coming of the SNES is bound to happen eventually...
The second coming of the SNES is bound to happen eventually...
Zenithian Legend
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If Microsoft bought out square-enix that would probably kill sony... er at least in the console wars
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend']If Microsoft bought out square-enix that would probably kill sony... er at least in the console wars[/quote]
Even with the more expensive cartridge format the Nintendo 64 still seemed to compete with the PlayStation. It wasn't until the Square / FFVII deal that we really saw a clear turning point in the 32/64-bit console wars. Yet, I doubt Microsoft buying Square-Enix today would have the same effect it had when Square jumped to PlayStation. Although they are still a popular genre, RPGs don't seem to carry the same weight as they once did. Maybe I am mistaking, but I would guess the body count isn't high enough in a typical RPG for the casual gamer.
Even with the more expensive cartridge format the Nintendo 64 still seemed to compete with the PlayStation. It wasn't until the Square / FFVII deal that we really saw a clear turning point in the 32/64-bit console wars. Yet, I doubt Microsoft buying Square-Enix today would have the same effect it had when Square jumped to PlayStation. Although they are still a popular genre, RPGs don't seem to carry the same weight as they once did. Maybe I am mistaking, but I would guess the body count isn't high enough in a typical RPG for the casual gamer.
Zenithian Legend
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You can not deny it would do great damage to Sony's sales to lose Square, I'd be willing to wager it would drop the PS down to third.
As a true video game fan- I believe everyone here can honestly say Nintendo makes awesome games. But they do rely on their established characters to sell whatever system they are making.
The numbers speak for themselves. Nintendo is in 3rd- the system numbers may be close to that of Xbox but 3rd party games simply don't sell well on Nintendo systems.
But the previos poster has a point. Nintendo needs some fresh franchises- Microsoft took Halo and made it a massive, massive success.
And as much as I downtalked Nintendo, I believe the DS will be superior. they recognize that gamers on the go need a different type of system- not a handheld PS2. I want to play certain types of games on the move.
Although I must question the ports of Mario 64 and Mario Kart to the DS. Doesn't seem to make sense given tghe control scheme.
The numbers speak for themselves. Nintendo is in 3rd- the system numbers may be close to that of Xbox but 3rd party games simply don't sell well on Nintendo systems.
But the previos poster has a point. Nintendo needs some fresh franchises- Microsoft took Halo and made it a massive, massive success.
And as much as I downtalked Nintendo, I believe the DS will be superior. they recognize that gamers on the go need a different type of system- not a handheld PS2. I want to play certain types of games on the move.
Although I must question the ports of Mario 64 and Mario Kart to the DS. Doesn't seem to make sense given tghe control scheme.
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[quote name='zionoverfire'][quote name='Plumberboy']As Nintendo would say, it's about quality, not quantity.[/quote]
I think you've got that backwards if your refering to your posts.[/quote]
Not really....he's stated many times about Nintendo not being like everyone else and releasing a shitty title and following it up with shitty title after title. IE: GTA. I mean, could this game be any worse?
Audio : Good voice acting, shitty quality. Shitty sound FX
Graphics : Looks like Dreamcast to me. Blurry and textures bleed all over the
ing place.
Playability : Well after the 800th "Pick up a t-shirt at the mall" mission, the game sucks...I play just to run around and see how high my cop meter can go up and how long I can last....thats about it, and that doesnt make a good game.
GTA can hold a candle toing Metroid Prime or Zelda....(Cel Shaded or not) And thats the PS2's best game....oya and Xbox and PC get a version of it (Graphics vastly improved and all the bugs worked out) a few months later....The gamecube is failing for one major reason...the 13 year old boy.
The 13 year old boy just wants to run around and kill things. He thinks blood and gore is cool as hell. He's getting games he's not supposed to have and thats really cool. He's dumb as aing rock cause the school system sucks and he cant play hard games. The 13 year old boy is EVIL.....and he's ruining the industry.
I think you've got that backwards if your refering to your posts.[/quote]
Not really....he's stated many times about Nintendo not being like everyone else and releasing a shitty title and following it up with shitty title after title. IE: GTA. I mean, could this game be any worse?
Audio : Good voice acting, shitty quality. Shitty sound FX
Graphics : Looks like Dreamcast to me. Blurry and textures bleed all over the
ing place.Playability : Well after the 800th "Pick up a t-shirt at the mall" mission, the game sucks...I play just to run around and see how high my cop meter can go up and how long I can last....thats about it, and that doesnt make a good game.
GTA can hold a candle to
ing Metroid Prime or Zelda....(Cel Shaded or not) And thats the PS2's best game....oya and Xbox and PC get a version of it (Graphics vastly improved and all the bugs worked out) a few months later....The gamecube is failing for one major reason...the 13 year old boy.The 13 year old boy just wants to run around and kill things. He thinks blood and gore is cool as hell. He's getting games he's not supposed to have and thats really cool. He's dumb as a
ing rock cause the school system sucks and he cant play hard games. The 13 year old boy is EVIL.....and he's ruining the industry.
Mookyjooky
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[quote name='hutno']Why would square enix ever sign a contract and be bound to one system. It would would be enormously damaging to square enix[/quote]
EA has the best chance for a system.
EA has the best chance for a system.
Mookyjooky
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[quote name='Levizk']Nintendo insists on using strange formats for their games to try and curb piracy, and the irony is that has hurt them more than piracy ever would have. In my mind the biggest reason Nintendo is so far behind and probably will never regain the top is Final Fantasy 7. That game gave Sony the premiere RPG console and they never let up after that. You figure if Nintendo just went to CD instead of staying with the lesser pirated cartridge they would most likely still have the Dragon Quest series, the Final Fantasy series, the Xenosaga series, Atlus would more than likely still develop for them exclusively, and even the Metal Gear series would most likely appear on the Nintendo first before it appeared on other consoles.[/quote]
And the sad thing is, is that Nintendo had FF7 in their grasp.
And the sad thing is, is that Nintendo had FF7 in their grasp.
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