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A McDonald's cashier is caught on a horrific cell phone video using a metal rod to brutally beat two female customers who'd jumped the counter of his West 3rd Street restaurant early Thursday during a fight over their order.
The cashier, who police said had previously served a decade for manslaughter, beat the women so badly that one suffered a fractured skull and broken arm in the shocking attack, which was captured on a customer's cell phone and then posted to YouTube.
Police have charged the cashier, identified as Rayon McIntosh, 31, with felony assault, along with criminal possession of a weapon. Both women were charged with menacing, trespass and disorderly conduct. McIntosh is being held at the Manhattan Detention Complex on $40,000 bail, according to the Department of Correction website.
The drama began about 12:30 a.m. Thursday when the two customers — Denise Darbeau, 24, of Queens, and her pal, Rachel Edwards, 24, of Brooklyn — entered the popular fast food spot, near Sixth Avenue, and began giving McIntosh a hard time, police sources said.

In the video, Darbeau is clearly heard cursing at McIntosh after the cashier told her he had to scan a $50 bill to make sure it was authentic before he would give them their food.
That's when all hell breaks loose.
An agitated Darbeau is seen slapping McIntosh across the face, prompting him to lunge forward and shove the two women.
Darbeau leaps onto the counter and clears the other side while McIntosh retreats to the other end of the restaurant, according to the video.
Suddenly, McIntosh reappears on the video, brandishing a metal rod, which he slams onto Darbeau's head.
The video, which has audio, is peppered with patrons screaming and wailing in horror and the chilling sound of the metal rod repeatedly whipping through the air and hitting Darbeau and Edwards.
"Stop it! Stop! Stop! Oh my God!” one woman is heard screaming. “Someone call police!”
Fellow workers can be seen on the video unsuccessfully trying to restrain McIntosh. Sources say McIntosh ordered his assailants to stay down, and belted them each time they tried to get up. The continued beating is partially hidden from the camera by the counter.
The two women were taken to the hospital. Darbeau suffered a fractured skull and broken arm which required surgery, according to court documents. She is in stable condition. Edwards suffered a deep cut.
McIntosh served more than a decade in prison after being convicted of shooting and killing Oshan Litchmore, 17, a classmate at Bronx's Evander Childs High School in 2000, when he was only 19 years old. The two teens were outside Macy’s at the Galleria Mall in Westchester when they got into an argument. The fatal bullet passed through Litchmore and hit an 8-year-old passerby in the leg.
McIntosh, who presently lives in the Bronx, was sentenced to 10 to 12 1/2 years in prison. He was paroled last March and has been working in the Village McDonald's since then, according to police sources.
McIntosh is due back in court Oct. 18.
"I don't know him as that type of person," his step-mother told DNAinfo.
The owner of the McDonald's franchise, Carmen Paulino, said that McIntosh "no longer works for my organization."
“I am extremely disturbed by the events captured on tape and am concerned for those injured. The actions of this individual are unacceptable and not characteristic of my employees. This individual no longer works for my organization," she said.
"Operating safe, welcoming restaurants is my top priority. I am fully cooperating with authorities in the investigation.”
And in a statement, McDonald's said that: “the violence in this video is alarming and reprehensible.
"We strive to ensure that our McDonald’s restaurants are safe and welcoming for our customers," the company added. "Our franchisee is fully cooperating with authorities in the investigation.”






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tFvPKHABgk&feature=player_embedded
 
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Neither parties deserved what they got, but goddamn, that guy totally snapped. Unfortunately, it stops being self-defense after he kepted beating them after he already beat them into the ground. I can't even imagine the amount of ptsd the guy must've had from being in prison.
 
I'm gonna go ahead and say those bitches got exactly what they deserved.

I hope the guy is able to make a reasonable self defense claim though.
 
I wonder how the woman who slapped him didn't get charged with battery/assault. Compared to the guy's charges, their charges appear to be light even though they seem to be the ones who started the whole mess.
 
[quote name='Kaelestis']I wonder how the woman who slapped him didn't get charged with battery/assault. Compared to the guy's charges, their charges appear to be light even though they seem to be the ones who started the whole mess.[/QUOTE]

Could you please link me to their charges and the story.
 
[quote name='confoosious']I'm gonna go ahead and say those bitches got exactly what they deserved.

I hope the guy is able to make a reasonable self defense claim though.[/QUOTE]
:applause::applause: If someone slaps/punches me and then jumped over the counter of a place I'm working at, then I'm going to assume they have a gun/knife and fear for my life and do whatever I feel is necessary to protect it.

That's exactly what this guy did here.
 
Tough one. If this had been two dudes that jumped over the counter he'd be a frickin McHero right now.

[quote name='whoknows']She was cussing him out because he had to verify her $50 bill wasn't counterfit?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you have never worked retail, especially in a shitty part of town. I have been slapped, punched, spit on, had human waste thrown at me (missed whoooo!), called every name under the sun, etc. Customers can and will pull bullshit on you over nothing 99.99% of the time because they know that you have to take it.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Tough one. If this had been two dudes that jumped over the counter he'd be a frickin McHero right now.

[/QUOTE]
:applause::applause::applause:
Awesome video. Even if the place was being robbed and the employee did that to the robbers, McD would still fire him. All retail stores have strict policies regarding how to handle a dangerous situation and they all pretty much say, DO NOT TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!

Notice how the bitch taking the video just sat there and "sipped" her soda while recording? Gotta love it how everyone is quick to record and post this on youtube to become youtube celebrities or to be interviewed by good morning america the follow day.

"it was like I was shocked what was going on so I pulled out my phone and recorded it in case something happened so it will be all on tape..."

If I was ever in that situation, I would look around to see who's has their cell phone out and take a picture of them in case that person decides to bolt... however doesn't MCD's have video cameras recording all of this anyways?
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Tough one. If this had been two dudes that jumped over the counter he'd be a frickin McHero right now.



Perhaps you have never worked retail, especially in a shitty part of town. I have been slapped, punched, spit on, had human waste thrown at me (missed whoooo!), called every name under the sun, etc. Customers can and will pull bullshit on you over nothing 99.99% of the time because they know that you have to take it.[/QUOTE]
Have to take it? Oh no no no. I worked for Hill's back in the day in layaway and I had some strong lookin' construction type dude get one of those pre-fab tv stands out of layaway. He stood by and watched me trying to lift it over the back gate of his truck and only gave me a hand once it was 3/4's of the way in the truck.

After that I magically needed to take a piss every time someone wanted carryout help of a larger item and took my time getting back from the crapper after that.
 
McD's probably does have a recording of this, but it likely won't see the light of day unless there is a civil suit against that particular McD's.

and dohdough:
McIntosh served more than a decade in prison after being convicted of shooting and killing Oshan Litchmore, 17, a classmate at Bronx's Evander Childs High School in 2000, when he was only 19 years old. The two teens were outside Macy’s at the Galleria Mall in Westchester when they got into an argument. The fatal bullet passed through Litchmore and hit an 8-year-old passerby in the leg.

I guess that PTSD started before the prison term?
 
[quote name='nasum']and dohdough:
McIntosh served more than a decade in prison after being convicted of shooting and killing Oshan Litchmore, 17, a classmate at Bronx's Evander Childs High School in 2000, when he was only 19 years old. The two teens were outside Macy’s at the Galleria Mall in Westchester when they got into an argument. The fatal bullet passed through Litchmore and hit an 8-year-old passerby in the leg.

I guess that PTSD started before the prison term?[/QUOTE]
I'm fully aware of what he went to prison for and considering the type of prison system we have, being there would have only increased the severity of it. Either way, considering your stance on racism, I highly doubt your sincerity in regards to your attribution of PTSD as a cause for that shooting.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Protip - Don't annoy the people preparing/selling your food.[/QUOTE]

Protip #2: Avoid McDonalds... it has fattening/depressing food... and judging from the video, the service isn't that great either ;)
 
[quote name='Halo05']Protip - Don't annoy the people preparing/selling your food.[/QUOTE]

Just spit on the food.

[quote name='crunchb3rry']Guy might want to leave McDonalds off future resumes.[/QUOTE]

He's gonna have a hard time finding any job after that.


[quote name='BigT']Protip #2: Avoid McDonalds... it has fattening/depressing food... and judging from the video, the service isn't that great either ;)[/QUOTE]

Just love it when blacks go at it lol.
 
societal conditioning, predisposition towards violence, not a very nice person, etc...

All could be part of the problem. In the end, however, beating the ever loving shit out of someone is not the right course of action. Jumping over the counter because someone has to check the status of a $50 isn't the right course of action either. Checking bills isn't racism, it's policy because that's $50 worth of food and change walking out the door. We even do that in our lily white comfort zones.

But hey, let's justify needless violence!
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Tough one. If this had been two dudes that jumped over the counter he'd be a frickin McHero right now.



Perhaps you have never worked retail, especially in a shitty part of town. I have been slapped, punched, spit on, had human waste thrown at me (missed whoooo!), called every name under the sun, etc. Customers can and will pull bullshit on you over nothing 99.99% of the time because they know that you have to take it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't know what's wrong with people.
My girlfriend worked at a candy store a few years ago and got the shit kicked out of her by a gang of fat, depraved and entitled high school bitches. She politely refused to serve them because they were behaving badly in her store. She told them to leave and these girls ganged up on her, a small Asian woman, and left her beaten on the floor, then left the store and broke the display window with a stone on their way out.
People are such assholes. :bomb:
Though it actually wasn't even in a shitty part of town. It was right on a college campus.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']


Perhaps you have never worked retail, especially in a shitty part of town. I have been slapped, punched, spit on, had human waste thrown at me (missed whoooo!), called every name under the sun, etc. Customers can and will pull bullshit on you over nothing 99.99% of the time because they know that you have to take it.[/QUOTE]

Oh I believe it, customers are the worst. I've worked customer service before and I just can't get over the shit some customers try to do/get.


I'm going with they deserved it in this case. And situation easily avoided if they would have shut the fuck up and not been assholes.
 
[quote name='confoosious']I'm gonna go ahead and say those bitches got exactly what they deserved.

I hope the guy is able to make a reasonable self defense claim though.[/QUOTE]

+1, It just sucks he took it as far as he did, he didn't have to get a weapon.
 
The thing is, if that was me working at the mcdonalds and I did the *Exact* same thing, I'd have been hailed as a hero. (because I'm clean cut and unassuming and I'm a professional - which obviously means I wouldn't be working at mcds to begin with but you get my point) But because this kid has a record, he's screwed.

Or say the assailant was one of those squeaky clean cultish looking kids that work at In-n-out burger. National hero.
 
[quote name='confoosious'] But because this kid has a record, he's screwed.

[/QUOTE]

He is screwed and probably every other ex felon who applies at a McDonalds for the next year is as well.

No one deserves to be beaten like that but it is their fault they were in that situation to begin with.
 
He definitely crossed the line between self-defense and battery, but they had it coming. I hope like hell they get jail time for this. The dude had every right to assume that these crazy bitches had weapons when they jumped the counter.

And I hope like hell that we don't see no reverse sexism in this case and the women are let off lightly.
 
[quote name='nasum']But hey, let's justify needless violence![/QUOTE]

If someone entered your workplace and approached you while shouting threats what would you do?

Would you follow the McD's corporate coward playbook and curl up in the fetal position while they beat the ever-loving shit out of you?
 
[quote name='Halo05']Protip - Don't annoy the people preparing/selling your food.[/QUOTE]

I'm amazed at how many people don't know this. If I had to make a list of 10 things everyone should know I think this would be on it.
 
[quote name='confoosious']The thing is, if that was me working at the mcdonalds and I did the *Exact* same thing, I'd have been hailed as a hero. (because I'm clean cut and unassuming and I'm a professional - which obviously means I wouldn't be working at mcds to begin with but you get my point) But because this kid has a record, he's screwed.

Or say the assailant was one of those squeaky clean cultish looking kids that work at In-n-out burger. National hero.[/QUOTE]

Sadly I have to agree. If that was a young, attractive, white woman there is no way anything will happen to her if she did the same thing
 
[quote name='nasum']societal conditioning, predisposition towards violence, not a very nice person, etc...

All could be part of the problem. In the end, however, beating the ever loving shit out of someone is not the right course of action. Jumping over the counter because someone has to check the status of a $50 isn't the right course of action either. Checking bills isn't racism, it's policy because that's $50 worth of food and change walking out the door. We even do that in our lily white comfort zones.

But hey, let's justify needless violence![/QUOTE]

Not saying he needed to keep beating them when they went down, but I think he was justified up until then.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Not saying he needed to keep beating them when they went down, but I think he was justified up until then.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's where it gets a little dicey. Of course if he had let them get up and the bitch had pulled out a gun and shot him, I'm sure everyone would be calling him a dumbass...
 
Okay, that was overkill, but they jumped the counter and chased him. Isn't it unjust to use his criminal record as a motive for this case? Felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon seem excessive.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Okay, that was overkill, but they jumped the counter and chased him. Isn't it unjust to use his criminal record as a motive for this case? Felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon seem excessive.[/QUOTE]
A poor black man with a previous record? They'll probably try to put him away for life on this one. Our "justice" system is a lot more fucked than most think it is.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Of course but we can still call BS.[/QUOTE]
Oh of course we should. As cynical as this sounds, it's a good thing the women he beat were black or else he'd probably be brought up on attempted murder charges if they were white. Which is makes this even more fucked up.
 
camoor - in so far as justifying violence, I'm stating that NONE OF THIS had to happen. It's policy nationwide to check bills over $20. Why'd the lady get so upset? Why'd she then have to go straight to violence? "It's not her fault, it's societal conditioning" and other such nonsense shows up. No, it is her fault. She could have acted like a grown up and realized that the bill check had nothing to do with her but is just policy. Then she could have been a double grown up and not assaulted the guy.

Self defense? yeah, the first two, maybe three whacks. However the subsequent dozen whacks, especially the last two after he stops to catch his breath go more into psycho territory. But there again, it isn't this guy's fault, he's got PTSD from a previous prison term as well as living through institutional racism his whole life.

That's the justifying violence bit that I was mocking.
It's a good thing he wasn't white or else it'd be a hate crime!

What I really wonder is if any of the people involved will learn something by the end of this? Maybe that violence doesn't solve anything? Maybe that taking a breath and thinking about something, as opposed to taking a breath to deliver a couple more blows, is a better idea than taking a swing at someone at any percieved slight.
 
you can't talk to people like that, unfortunately. they're going to be on edge with an attitude for their entire life. jumping the staff at mcdonalds because their trying to give you change, yeah..
 
[quote name='nasum']camoor - in so far as justifying violence, I'm stating that NONE OF THIS had to happen. It's policy nationwide to check bills over $20. Why'd the lady get so upset? Why'd she then have to go straight to violence? "It's not her fault, it's societal conditioning" and other such nonsense shows up. No, it is her fault. She could have acted like a grown up and realized that the bill check had nothing to do with her but is just policy. Then she could have been a double grown up and not assaulted the guy.

Self defense? yeah, the first two, maybe three whacks. However the subsequent dozen whacks, especially the last two after he stops to catch his breath go more into psycho territory. But there again, it isn't this guy's fault, he's got PTSD from a previous prison term as well as living through institutional racism his whole life.

That's the justifying violence bit that I was mocking.
It's a good thing he wasn't white or else it'd be a hate crime!

What I really wonder is if any of the people involved will learn something by the end of this? Maybe that violence doesn't solve anything? Maybe that taking a breath and thinking about something, as opposed to taking a breath to deliver a couple more blows, is a better idea than taking a swing at someone at any percieved slight.[/QUOTE]
We don't live in a goddamned bubble where everyone is in control of their own destinies and how people will react to each other.

National policy or not, it is subjectively enforced and certainly not uniform in every single McD's you go to.

Saying that people are justifying it by pointing out institutional racism is complete bullshit and missing the point. I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but at no point was I saying that they were justified in taking it as far as either parties went. At no point did I say that either of the parties deserved what they got. An explanation does not absolve the actions; it seeks to explain and takes it deeper than just taking things at face value.

If you really think that you aren't capable of freaking out like either parties or doing other abhorrent things, you really don't understand "human nature" as well as you think you do.
 
So now you're having it two ways again. If we say these people are acting like animals then we're racist. If we say that they're responsible for their individual actions then we are suffering from colorblind racism because we're ignoring the taxation of their lives that IS puts them through.

Then on the other hand, we all have to help each other and care about society because man is this sophisticated animal.

Which is it?

Of course we're capable of atrocity, who is denying that? But I don't think we need to jump to atrocity at "hey lady, policy is we check your bill". The correct response is "I understand, it's a bummer that things have come to this" and not "SPOON!!!" or whatever battlecry you so prefer.

What do we call it if this was a bunch of white people?
 
i dont feel bad for anyone involved. the idiot customers went way over the line and the mcdonalds worker went way over the line. if he had stopped hitting them after they were down then he'd probably be fine (maybe fired, but not going to jail), but he continued to hit them while they were down and almost certainly subdued (there's a chance they were still fighting, but we cant see it on the video and i doubt it).
 
[quote name='nasum']So now you're having it two ways again. If we say these people are acting like animals then we're racist. If we say that they're responsible for their individual actions then we are suffering from colorblind racism because we're ignoring the taxation of their lives that IS puts them through.[/quote]
Context matters. Historically, black people, amongst others, have been described and labeled by scientists as less/sub/-human or just plain animals compared to civilized whitey. Focusing on just the part of the statement that categorizes black people as acting like animals is grounded in racism.

The conflict with your statement between people acting like animals(animals don't have agency, just instinct) and personal responsibility(agency period) aside(either they have agency or they don't), the parties still do not live in a bubble in which every action they commit is without environmental influence. Their decisions are shaped by the circumstances.

Then on the other hand, we all have to help each other and care about society because man is this sophisticated animal.

Which is it?
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It's all three. Referring to black people as animalistic is racist, putting all the responsibility on the individual isn't exactly color-blind racism but close enough for now, and we all need to help each other because thats the backbone of a stable society/community, etc.

Of course we're capable of atrocity, who is denying that? But I don't think we need to jump to atrocity at "hey lady, policy is we check your bill". The correct response is "I understand, it's a bummer that things have come to this" and not "SPOON!!!" or whatever battlecry you so prefer.

What do we call it if this was a bunch of white people?
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It depends on the environment.
 
Is it possible to say that these three people acted like animals without taking their race into account? At the very least can we say that they were quite uncivil in their actions towards each other?

Or is that again racist because it's using something/someone else as a measuring stick?

Depends on the environment?
Nice dodge...
 
[quote name='nasum']Is it possible to say that these three people acted like animals without taking their race into account?[/quote]
No.

At the very least can we say that they were quite uncivil in their actions towards each other?
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Yes.

Or is that again racist because it's using something/someone else as a measuring stick?
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Or we could just avoid the problem of attributing sub-humanism to people as a rule because that attribution was historically used to describe people that weren't white as a way to marginalize and oppress them. Now that you know, you can use it instead of your usual hand-waving with superficially lame quippy simplistic bullshit.

Depends on the environment?
Nice dodge...
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Just because you can't understand it doesn't make it a dodge. Social identity is a complex thing that shifts according to our environments. People are going to act different at work, school, home, in a club, a bar, etc. There are complex interactions between people that are shaped by environmental pressues outside of the interacting individuals' control.
 
[quote name='confoosious']The thing is, if that was me working at the mcdonalds and I did the *Exact* same thing, I'd have been hailed as a hero. (because I'm clean cut and unassuming and I'm a professional - which obviously means I wouldn't be working at mcds to begin with but you get my point) But because this kid has a record, he's screwed.

Or say the assailant was one of those squeaky clean cultish looking kids that work at In-n-out burger. National hero.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious?

I'm pretty sure that being clean cut wouldn't save you from charges of beating the crap out of someone on video :roll:. If anything, you'd probably get charged with a hate crime too... then Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Gloria Allred would be all speaking out against you!

Anyway, back to the original story. I don't fault the guy for protecting himself initially... that was within his right... but then he went too far... plus, it's always a lose-lose situation when you are physically attacking women half your size (regardless of who was the instigator).
 
[quote name='BigT']Are you serious?

I'm pretty sure that being clean cut wouldn't save you from charges of beating the crap out of someone on video :roll:. If anything, you'd probably get charged with a hate crime too... then Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Gloria Allred would be all speaking out against you!

Anyway, back to the original story. I don't fault the guy for protecting himself initially... that was within his right... but then he went too far... plus, it's always a lose-lose situation when you are physically attacking women half your size (regardless of who was the instigator).[/QUOTE]

Wow is it fun in neverneverland ? My commentary is not about me being clean cut and getting away with it. It's more about the fact that others are gonna judge this kid because he's black and has a record. And yes, the point still stands that a squeaky clean kid would get more leeway.

If you don't think so, you're very naive. You think Natalie holloway wouldve been in the news cycle for weeks if she was an unattractive black girl?
 
[quote name='nasum']Is it possible to say that these three people acted like animals without taking their race into account?[/QUOTE]

When snookie started shouting in some guys ear and got punched in the face.

Did anyone say "these people" act like animals?
 
[quote name='nasum']Of course we're capable of atrocity, who is denying that? But I don't think we need to jump to atrocity at "hey lady, policy is we check your bill". The correct response is "I understand, it's a bummer that things have come to this" and not "SPOON!!!" or whatever battlecry you so prefer.[/QUOTE]

Leave The Tick out of this.
 
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