With the popularity of the ipod, a lot of people including me are interested in getting mac computers now. So I want to ask the people that used to use windows and switched to mac if it was a good switch. I'm sure that I wont play computer games as much since people that buy macs dont buy them to play games on them, but I will always have my current computer anyways even though I will give it to my brother. And if I should get a mac, do you think the ibook is a good choice. I really dont want to go over $1000. Thanks in advanced.
Should I get an ibook? Windows vs. Mac
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what do you intend to uses it for?
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Macs are perfect for everything but games. The OS is the best one out there. It next to never crashes. there are no viruses out there and it pretty much hack proof.
http://www.apple.com/switch/whyswitch/
I use both, but I perfer the Mac over the a Windows PC in every way. The Mac is just a better computer all together.
Now if they just made more games for it =P
http://www.apple.com/switch/whyswitch/
I use both, but I perfer the Mac over the a Windows PC in every way. The Mac is just a better computer all together.
Now if they just made more games for it =P
cheapass Gundam
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I use Mac at home for everything and it rarely crashes. My Windows system at work always crash a couple times a day, even with Norton AV/System installed.
If you hate wasting your time rebooting and protecting your system then the Mac is for you. I'd recommend getting a desktop instead of a laptop though - cheaper and more durable, unless you need to travel with it.
If you hate wasting your time rebooting and protecting your system then the Mac is for you. I'd recommend getting a desktop instead of a laptop though - cheaper and more durable, unless you need to travel with it.
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[quote name='help1']I dunno, my school has macs... and the new ibooks, they suck hard man.[/quote]
Why Don't you like them?
Why Don't you like them?
I suggest you go to an apple store and sit down with an ibook for 2 hours to see how it is. I bought one six months ago, and I'm still not used to the OS, though admittedly that's mostly because I still do most computing on my desktop. The ibook is mostly used for word processing, music recording, and... ahem... a little wireless webrowsing while ridding my body of waste.
It's the little things that seemed strange to me at first- different file extensions, different keyboard shortcuts, lack of programs crashing on me
.
But there is a HUGE advantage of having the large installed user base that the PC has. Problems are easier to solve, you have more software and hardware options, etc.
Bottom line is, as much as I agree that Mac OS is easy to learn and user-friendly, you do need time before you're comfortable with it. But supposedly, the girls like the ibooks (and powerbooks). Come to think of it, I do know a lot of females with ibooks. Interesting.
It's the little things that seemed strange to me at first- different file extensions, different keyboard shortcuts, lack of programs crashing on me
.But there is a HUGE advantage of having the large installed user base that the PC has. Problems are easier to solve, you have more software and hardware options, etc.
Bottom line is, as much as I agree that Mac OS is easy to learn and user-friendly, you do need time before you're comfortable with it. But supposedly, the girls like the ibooks (and powerbooks). Come to think of it, I do know a lot of females with ibooks. Interesting.
[quote name='jimbodan']Stay the hell away from a mac, god I hate their crappy OS and interface. I wouldn't buy one if they were the only computer on earth, that's how much I hate them.[/quote]
What Mac were you using Jimbo?!
I own and use both a PC and a Mac and OS X beats Windows XP like a red-headed stepchild. Period.
Anyways, moe, if you plan to do a lot of content creation, video design, and/or graphics work I whole heartedly recommend the ibook to you. Especially at this point in Apple's product line, where the ibook is only a notch or two down from the more expensive PowerBooks, rather than an entire generation behind (as has been the case in the past).
I own a PowerBook, but the main reason I got one was for the larger screen. If you can live with a smaller screen -have at that ibook.
What Mac were you using Jimbo?!
I own and use both a PC and a Mac and OS X beats Windows XP like a red-headed stepchild. Period.
Anyways, moe, if you plan to do a lot of content creation, video design, and/or graphics work I whole heartedly recommend the ibook to you. Especially at this point in Apple's product line, where the ibook is only a notch or two down from the more expensive PowerBooks, rather than an entire generation behind (as has been the case in the past).
I own a PowerBook, but the main reason I got one was for the larger screen. If you can live with a smaller screen -have at that ibook.
Apple just announced the new Mac Mini. There are two models, $499 and $599. It is the perfect machine for people who want to try out a Mac. It doesn't come with a monitor, keyboard or mouse but will take any VGA/DVI monitor and USB keyboard and mouse. The thing is 6.5 inches.
Check it out at www.apple.com.
I think Mac has the best OS. I never have to reboot mine and no spyware or viruses.
Check it out at www.apple.com.
I think Mac has the best OS. I never have to reboot mine and no spyware or viruses.
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Typing this on a Powerbook.
I love the Mac. I love the Mac. I love the Mac.
Incredibly user friendly, infinitly more stable, and damn sexy to look at.
It is true that Mac games are few and far between. If gaming is a big part of
your PC regimen, you shouldn't get one. For EVERYTHING else, run to the
nearest Mac store.
I love the Mac. I love the Mac. I love the Mac.
Incredibly user friendly, infinitly more stable, and damn sexy to look at.
It is true that Mac games are few and far between. If gaming is a big part of
your PC regimen, you shouldn't get one. For EVERYTHING else, run to the
nearest Mac store.
Whats nice is that everything is integrated -- all the software has the same look and feel. Its just great to use. I really don't think there is THAT much of a learning curve. A week should do it.
But I agree with the previous posts - if you play games on your PC, the Mac is not for you. The Mac has a very small percentage of games compared to the PC. They get some of the big games though (KOTOR, Sims, Unreal, etc).
But I agree with the previous posts - if you play games on your PC, the Mac is not for you. The Mac has a very small percentage of games compared to the PC. They get some of the big games though (KOTOR, Sims, Unreal, etc).
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I own a 14-inch iBook (whic I'm using as I type this out). The wireless Airport Xtreme in all the new iBooks are indeed a cool feature. One suggestion, though, if you do opt for a iBook, spring for the bluetooth feature. It'll be worth it in the future, at the very least for the use of a wireless mouse (Ihate the touchpad). I would definately recommend it. And yes, the ladies do seem to love em.
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I think you can tell my opinion. I'm a PC gamer, but I also run graphic design progrmas, and never crash on my XP system. i must just be awesome like that.
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these two are my personal favs. =P
oh and here are a few of my all time fav quotes:
"Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?"
- Tom Clancy
"...But since any reasonable person would choose a Mac over a PC, Apple's market share does provide us with an accurate reading of the percentage of reasonable people in our society."
- Roger Ebert
oh and here are a few of my all time fav quotes:
"Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?"
- Tom Clancy
"...But since any reasonable person would choose a Mac over a PC, Apple's market share does provide us with an accurate reading of the percentage of reasonable people in our society."
- Roger Ebert
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only 23days.
I don't think I've turned off my PowerBook for over a year. =P
Spoken like a true die hard PC user.
Most Macs are purched by people who are in the multimedia industry and Not because it looks nice.
That's why a good chunk of Hollywood uses Macs, and most of your video game companies do the textures and sound on Macs.
I don't think I've turned off my PowerBook for over a year. =P
Spoken like a true die hard PC user.
Most Macs are purched by people who are in the multimedia industry and Not because it looks nice.
That's why a good chunk of Hollywood uses Macs, and most of your video game companies do the textures and sound on Macs.
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[quote name='rockhero']I'm not sure where all of these mysterious crashing Windows machines live, but I can't even remember the last time my computer at home or at work crashed.[/quote]
My Dad's PC crashes at least once a week. Last time it crashed was when it had been rendering out a video for about 4 hours. His PC frozze for about 30min and then rebooted.
The fact that Windows is unstable and crashes was the reason we installed a RAID system on his PC.
My PC on the other hand doesn't crash that much. over the last year I think it crashed about 6 times.
My Dad's PC crashes at least once a week. Last time it crashed was when it had been rendering out a video for about 4 hours. His PC frozze for about 30min and then rebooted.
The fact that Windows is unstable and crashes was the reason we installed a RAID system on his PC.
My PC on the other hand doesn't crash that much. over the last year I think it crashed about 6 times.
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98 was just a ticking time bomb waiting to blue screen you.
ME was just a nightmare period
2000.... I've lost HD because of stupid 2000 and it likes to crash when I'm doing big projects.
I will admit that XP has become alot more stable then their older OS. Thats what I'm curently useing on my PC.
ME was just a nightmare period
2000.... I've lost HD because of stupid 2000 and it likes to crash when I'm doing big projects.
I will admit that XP has become alot more stable then their older OS. Thats what I'm curently useing on my PC.
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I have been a mac user for 10 years (and an Apple II user prior to that).
I still never moved over (in my head) to the drastic changes in OS X. It's evidently *exceptionally* customizable, with the prerequisite knowledge of unix (or linux, I dunno...shows you what I know).
OS X is incredibly stable, big deal. If you know what you are doing, WinXP is stable too.
Macs, as someone mentioned, integrate very well. The iLife suite allows you to rip mp3's, put them on your iPod or burn them to a CD, or you can open up iPhoto, and create a photo cd using your images and songs from iTunes. Same goes for iMovie, which I find to be an amazing program. I used to encode old VHS tapes from my VCR on my mac, which was too easy. Editing, cleaning, adding audio, adding titles/washes, iMovie is an awesome program.
The big hangups about Macs are twofold (but there is an upside). First is that Microsoft Office has not ported Access (part of the Office suite) to Mac. Ever. I use a Dell laptop for a reason, and Access is one (SPSS and SAS are the others, though SPSS is available for Mac). I really like Access, and, although there is a database prog for OS X (FileMaker Pro?), it just isn't Access.
The other downside, of course, as many have mentioned, is the lack of games. You can see the desolate state of Mac gaming at http://www.insidemacgames.com
The upside to the poor state of mac gaming? Longer shelf life! I bought my PowerMac G4 (for sale on eBay now, though 'taint cheap) in April of 2001, so it's almost 3 years old, and I've had no problems running any programs on it (except the pisspoor programming at SPSS makes its mac version neigh unusable). I can't speak for PC users, but I know I would have a tough time running HL2 or Doom 3 on my current Dell laptop (EDIT to point out that said Dell laptop is 13 months old). One's PC may last for 3 years, but not without substantial upgrades to be able to run certain games; a good mac will last you, upgrade free ('cept for storage space, of course) for much longer, in my view.
myke.
...let the refutations begin.
I still never moved over (in my head) to the drastic changes in OS X. It's evidently *exceptionally* customizable, with the prerequisite knowledge of unix (or linux, I dunno...shows you what I know).
OS X is incredibly stable, big deal. If you know what you are doing, WinXP is stable too.
Macs, as someone mentioned, integrate very well. The iLife suite allows you to rip mp3's, put them on your iPod or burn them to a CD, or you can open up iPhoto, and create a photo cd using your images and songs from iTunes. Same goes for iMovie, which I find to be an amazing program. I used to encode old VHS tapes from my VCR on my mac, which was too easy. Editing, cleaning, adding audio, adding titles/washes, iMovie is an awesome program.
The big hangups about Macs are twofold (but there is an upside). First is that Microsoft Office has not ported Access (part of the Office suite) to Mac. Ever. I use a Dell laptop for a reason, and Access is one (SPSS and SAS are the others, though SPSS is available for Mac). I really like Access, and, although there is a database prog for OS X (FileMaker Pro?), it just isn't Access.
The other downside, of course, as many have mentioned, is the lack of games. You can see the desolate state of Mac gaming at http://www.insidemacgames.com
The upside to the poor state of mac gaming? Longer shelf life! I bought my PowerMac G4 (for sale on eBay now, though 'taint cheap) in April of 2001, so it's almost 3 years old, and I've had no problems running any programs on it (except the pisspoor programming at SPSS makes its mac version neigh unusable). I can't speak for PC users, but I know I would have a tough time running HL2 or Doom 3 on my current Dell laptop (EDIT to point out that said Dell laptop is 13 months old). One's PC may last for 3 years, but not without substantial upgrades to be able to run certain games; a good mac will last you, upgrade free ('cept for storage space, of course) for much longer, in my view.
myke.
...let the refutations begin.
[quote name='CapAmerica']only 23days.
I don't think I've turned off my PowerBook for over a year. =P
Spoken like a true die hard PC user.
Most Macs are purched by people who are in the multimedia industry and Not because it looks nice.
That's why a good chunk of Hollywood uses Macs, and most of your video game companies do the textures and sound on Macs.[/quote]
I built the machine 23 days ago. The longest I had one up was over 7 months, it would have been up longer, but the power went out. So if most macs are purcahsed by people in the multimedia industry, why would an average joe use one? The answer, is for looks. Macs are trendy.
I don't think I've turned off my PowerBook for over a year. =P
Spoken like a true die hard PC user.
Most Macs are purched by people who are in the multimedia industry and Not because it looks nice.
That's why a good chunk of Hollywood uses Macs, and most of your video game companies do the textures and sound on Macs.[/quote]
I built the machine 23 days ago. The longest I had one up was over 7 months, it would have been up longer, but the power went out. So if most macs are purcahsed by people in the multimedia industry, why would an average joe use one? The answer, is for looks. Macs are trendy.
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I used both PC's and Macs. I can safely say I crashed both OS. THats because I do 3d work and I push computers to the limit.
With that in mind, I prefer PC's for purely cosmetic reasons. Macs are ugly and I hate the stupid bubblegum colors.
Keep in mind, not all PCs are created equal. I say a Dell PC beats a Compaq PC hands down. They are built better.
Another reason I didnt like the Mac for the longest time is the simple one button mouse. I feel weird not being able to right-click anything (especially working in 3D). Admittedly, that is changing. I think Macs are starting to get 2 button mouses.
Thats my 2 cents
With that in mind, I prefer PC's for purely cosmetic reasons. Macs are ugly and I hate the stupid bubblegum colors.
Keep in mind, not all PCs are created equal. I say a Dell PC beats a Compaq PC hands down. They are built better.
Another reason I didnt like the Mac for the longest time is the simple one button mouse. I feel weird not being able to right-click anything (especially working in 3D). Admittedly, that is changing. I think Macs are starting to get 2 button mouses.
Thats my 2 cents
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It depends on what you are doing on it. If you are video editing, doing any serious sound, or graphic work. Buy the Mac Powerbook! Not the Ibook, but if you are just doing basic things word processing, web surfing, etc. the Ibook and a PC is fine.
Now if you plan on doing any gaming, and you want your older programs and games to work. Buy the PC its just cheaper and better for the job.
I have had little problems with XP and it is very reliable. Even compared to the Mac stuff I use.
Now if you plan on doing any gaming, and you want your older programs and games to work. Buy the PC its just cheaper and better for the job.
I have had little problems with XP and it is very reliable. Even compared to the Mac stuff I use.
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[quote name='Xevious']
Another reason I didnt like the Mac for the longest time is the simple one button mouse. I feel weird not being able to right-click anything (especially working in 3D). Admittedly, that is changing. I think Macs are starting to get 2 button mouses.
Thats my 2 cents[/quote]
You do know that any USB mouse can easly replace the 1 button mouse that comes with the Mac. Apple knows that alot of people don't like the one button mouse thats why OSX and their software supports 2 button mice. I've been useing my Logitech mouse for the last 5 years on my Mac.
I find it funny how people say Mac is ugly, yet Windows XP is copying the OSX and no one bitches about that.
Another reason I didnt like the Mac for the longest time is the simple one button mouse. I feel weird not being able to right-click anything (especially working in 3D). Admittedly, that is changing. I think Macs are starting to get 2 button mouses.
Thats my 2 cents[/quote]
You do know that any USB mouse can easly replace the 1 button mouse that comes with the Mac. Apple knows that alot of people don't like the one button mouse thats why OSX and their software supports 2 button mice. I've been useing my Logitech mouse for the last 5 years on my Mac.
I find it funny how people say Mac is ugly, yet Windows XP is copying the OSX and no one bitches about that.
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[quote name='bignick'][quote name='CapAmerica']The fact that Windows is unstable and crashes was the reason we installed a RAID system on his PC.
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That quote proves you have no idea what you are talking about. How does a RAID system help?[/quote]
It keeps a nice working backup incase Windows desides it doesn't want to boot any more. That way I can recover the system and not lose all my files.
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That quote proves you have no idea what you are talking about. How does a RAID system help?[/quote]
It keeps a nice working backup incase Windows desides it doesn't want to boot any more. That way I can recover the system and not lose all my files.
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[quote name='CapAmerica']
I find it funny how people say Mac is ugly, yet Windows XP is copying the OSX and no one bitches about that.[/quote]
Icons on Macs tend to be more rounded and bubbly-looking. Windows are more square. There are subtle differences in the design in both interfaces. Its all a matter of taste really....
I find it funny how people say Mac is ugly, yet Windows XP is copying the OSX and no one bitches about that.[/quote]
Icons on Macs tend to be more rounded and bubbly-looking. Windows are more square. There are subtle differences in the design in both interfaces. Its all a matter of taste really....
[quote name='CapAmerica'][quote name='bignick'][quote name='CapAmerica']The fact that Windows is unstable and crashes was the reason we installed a RAID system on his PC.
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That quote proves you have no idea what you are talking about. How does a RAID system help?[/quote]
It keeps a nice working backup incase Windows desides it doesn't want to boot any more. That way I can recover the system and not lose all my files.[/quote]
umm o-k. A RAID array only prevents data loss in the even of a hard drive failure. If windows crashes and destroys all of you files, a RAID array will not save you.
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That quote proves you have no idea what you are talking about. How does a RAID system help?[/quote]
It keeps a nice working backup incase Windows desides it doesn't want to boot any more. That way I can recover the system and not lose all my files.[/quote]
umm o-k. A RAID array only prevents data loss in the even of a hard drive failure. If windows crashes and destroys all of you files, a RAID array will not save you.
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sure okay whatever.
I guess the two times its save my butt I have only been lucky then.
I may not recover what I was working before my last save, but my last save is backed up on the RAID. THis is why when ever you do a cahnge you save your file.
I guess the two times its save my butt I have only been lucky then.
I may not recover what I was working before my last save, but my last save is backed up on the RAID. THis is why when ever you do a cahnge you save your file.
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[quote name='bignick'][quote name='CapAmerica']sure okay whatever.
I guess the two times its save my butt I have only been lucky then.[/quote]
Typical mac user with no knowledge of computer hardware or operations.[/quote]
Typical PC user who won't admit when they are WRONG!
I guess the two times its save my butt I have only been lucky then.[/quote]
Typical mac user with no knowledge of computer hardware or operations.[/quote]
Typical PC user who won't admit when they are WRONG!
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RAID-1
RAID Level 1 provides redundancy by writing all data to two or more drives. The performance of a level 1 array tends to be faster on reads and slower on writes compared to a single drive, but if either drive fails, no data is lost. This is a good entry-level redundant system, since only two drives are required; however, since one drive is used to store a duplicate of the data, the cost per megabyte is high. This level is commonly referred to as mirroring.
Simply Put When I save a file its backedup onto the other HD on the RAID.
RAID Level 1 provides redundancy by writing all data to two or more drives. The performance of a level 1 array tends to be faster on reads and slower on writes compared to a single drive, but if either drive fails, no data is lost. This is a good entry-level redundant system, since only two drives are required; however, since one drive is used to store a duplicate of the data, the cost per megabyte is high. This level is commonly referred to as mirroring.
Simply Put When I save a file its backedup onto the other HD on the RAID.
[quote name='CapAmerica']RAID-1
RAID Level 1 provides redundancy by writing all data to two or more drives. The performance of a level 1 array tends to be faster on reads and slower on writes compared to a single drive, but if either drive fails, no data is lost. This is a good entry-level redundant system, since only two drives are required; however, since one drive is used to store a duplicate of the data, the cost per megabyte is high. This level is commonly referred to as mirroring.[/quote]
OK, so by windows crashing, how does having raid 1 help you? It doesnt! You answered it yourself: but if either drive fails, no data is lost. That has nothing to do with windows! BTW, mac and pcs use the same hard drives.
RAID Level 1 provides redundancy by writing all data to two or more drives. The performance of a level 1 array tends to be faster on reads and slower on writes compared to a single drive, but if either drive fails, no data is lost. This is a good entry-level redundant system, since only two drives are required; however, since one drive is used to store a duplicate of the data, the cost per megabyte is high. This level is commonly referred to as mirroring.[/quote]
OK, so by windows crashing, how does having raid 1 help you? It doesnt! You answered it yourself: but if either drive fails, no data is lost. That has nothing to do with windows! BTW, mac and pcs use the same hard drives.
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[quote name='bignick'] mac and pcs use the same hard drives.[/quote]
DUH! We uses the Same RAM and CD/DVD ROMs too
I've had Windows CRASH, and when I reboot I get a BlueScreen say I'm pretty much
ed. When I take that HD out and get the RAID back up going, guess what I works again.
DUH! We uses the Same RAM and CD/DVD ROMs too
I've had Windows CRASH, and when I reboot I get a BlueScreen say I'm pretty much
ed. When I take that HD out and get the RAID back up going, guess what I works again.[quote name='CapAmerica'][quote name='bignick'] mac and pcs use the same hard drives.[/quote]
DUH!
I've had Windows CRASH, and when I reboot I get a BlueScreen say I'm pretty much shaq-fued. When I take that HD out and get the RAID back up going, guess what I works again.[/quote]
you win.
DUH!
I've had Windows CRASH, and when I reboot I get a BlueScreen say I'm pretty much shaq-fued. When I take that HD out and get the RAID back up going, guess what I works again.[/quote]
you win.
Hey CapAmerica, what RAID card you use or is it software?
Windows sucks but it's a Windows world. It's really the only platform currently for games, there's a shitpot full of software for it, hardware is cheap and plentiful, I could go on. Macs are only as stable as they are because OS X is based on Unix! OS 9 was a joke and I agree OS X is cool because you can open up a terminal Unix/Linux style. Other than that the lack of software, games, and expense makes them not for me. I can't believe Bill Gates hasn't created an OS built on Unix just like Apple did. It's still X86 architecture but it would be stable as hell and MS wouldn't lose as much revenue to Linux as they are now. If only I ran the world!
Windows sucks but it's a Windows world. It's really the only platform currently for games, there's a shitpot full of software for it, hardware is cheap and plentiful, I could go on. Macs are only as stable as they are because OS X is based on Unix! OS 9 was a joke and I agree OS X is cool because you can open up a terminal Unix/Linux style. Other than that the lack of software, games, and expense makes them not for me. I can't believe Bill Gates hasn't created an OS built on Unix just like Apple did. It's still X86 architecture but it would be stable as hell and MS wouldn't lose as much revenue to Linux as they are now. If only I ran the world!
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[quote name='klezmer41']Hey CapAmerica, what RAID card you use or is it software?
Windows sucks but it's a Windows world. It's really the only platform currently for games, there's a shitpot full of software for it, hardware is cheap and plentiful, I could go on. Macs are only as stable as they are because OS X is based on Unix! OS 9 was a joke and I agree OS X is cool because you can open up a terminal Unix/Linux style. Other than that the lack of software, games, and expense makes them not for me. I can't believe Bill Gates hasn't created an OS built on Unix just like Apple did. It's still X86 architecture but it would be stable as hell and MS wouldn't lose as much revenue to Linux as they are now. If only I ran the world![/quote]
I agree that there is a significant lack of games, but there is also a reason that I'm a console gamer.
Consider the cost of a solid gaming computer. I'm not certain why any self-respecting CAG would spend, bare minimum, $1000-$1500 (and that's for the ultra-savvy deal hunters) to be able to play games. Computers are useful for many things, and games, to me, are secondary.
That having been said, I can't think of any programs that don't exist for Macintosh that are crippling to them as a computer company. Sure, as I mentioned in my previous post, SAS hasn't been updated in years, and SPSS was ported so poorly that it is mind-numbingly slow. However, I must understand that those programs are not used by a large number of people as a whole, and that there are some options for powerful statistics programs on the Mac.
myke.
Windows sucks but it's a Windows world. It's really the only platform currently for games, there's a shitpot full of software for it, hardware is cheap and plentiful, I could go on. Macs are only as stable as they are because OS X is based on Unix! OS 9 was a joke and I agree OS X is cool because you can open up a terminal Unix/Linux style. Other than that the lack of software, games, and expense makes them not for me. I can't believe Bill Gates hasn't created an OS built on Unix just like Apple did. It's still X86 architecture but it would be stable as hell and MS wouldn't lose as much revenue to Linux as they are now. If only I ran the world![/quote]
I agree that there is a significant lack of games, but there is also a reason that I'm a console gamer.
Consider the cost of a solid gaming computer. I'm not certain why any self-respecting CAG would spend, bare minimum, $1000-$1500 (and that's for the ultra-savvy deal hunters) to be able to play games. Computers are useful for many things, and games, to me, are secondary.
That having been said, I can't think of any programs that don't exist for Macintosh that are crippling to them as a computer company. Sure, as I mentioned in my previous post, SAS hasn't been updated in years, and SPSS was ported so poorly that it is mind-numbingly slow. However, I must understand that those programs are not used by a large number of people as a whole, and that there are some options for powerful statistics programs on the Mac.
myke.
[quote name='bignick']Ya, my windows machine crashes all the time....
Seriously, I would say %80 of mac users buy it for looks, thats why you see all the chicks using them. If you dont know whether or not you want an mac or a pc, then flip a coin.[/quote]
LMMFAO! Buy it for looks... how about maybe because they have the best OS out there (Hands down and you PC users can STFU because you know I'm right). I bought my iBook 2 years ago, and it hasn't failed me since Hell I dropped it off my bed once, and it's a loft bed about 6 feet or so off the ground, and after getting it repaired, it works like new. PC's are attracted to virus's like a whore to STD's, so please, stay away from them. If you have any sense at all you'll buy a Mac. I love my iBook....
Edit: But I can only speak for myself... not 80% of the Mac users...
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Seriously, I would say %80 of mac users buy it for looks, thats why you see all the chicks using them. If you dont know whether or not you want an mac or a pc, then flip a coin.[/quote]
LMMFAO! Buy it for looks... how about maybe because they have the best OS out there (Hands down and you PC users can STFU because you know I'm right). I bought my iBook 2 years ago, and it hasn't failed me since Hell I dropped it off my bed once, and it's a loft bed about 6 feet or so off the ground, and after getting it repaired, it works like new. PC's are attracted to virus's like a whore to STD's, so please, stay away from them. If you have any sense at all you'll buy a Mac. I love my iBook....
Edit: But I can only speak for myself... not 80% of the Mac users...
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My $.02
I've been a computer user since the days of the IIgs and C64 and I've tryed and ran just about everything (I'm just now getting into Linux, but at one time I ran Be for about 6 months...) Anyway I use both XP and OSX on a daily basis soe here goes:
If you want something simple that you know will start when you want it to and will do the easy stuff exactly the way you tell it go with the mac
If you want something that will let you under the hood and do all kinds of neat modifications and tricks and such go with the pc
The is a realy great essay written by Niel Stephenson called "In the Begining was the Command Line" It's a few years old now but it hits the nail on the head by saying that the Mac is like an Italian sports car with the hood welded shut. It'll do lots of cool stuff but you can never look inside to see how it works.
My biggest complaint with OSX is (and I'm sure I'll get flammed for this) is the fact that it's pretty much an incomplete OS. I use OSX at work, were I'm a graphic designer, and I've been through several updates to OSX and Apple has STILL not fixed the printing problems. I have a brand new CTP machine that the mac just won't print to, Apple swears the next releas will fix it. The only way I can print to the color laser machine is by using a GNU work around released by some guys who also got sick of the incomplete ness of OSX. I get several documenst in a week from people using OS9 that I can't use the fonts from becasue of OSX. Now OSX is stable, I'll definatly give it that but consider that Microsoft has to make sure that Windows will run on a neer infinate number of computer configurations, were Apple gets to pick from a very tiny amount of systems all of which were made by Apple. That's why OSX is super stable. However, just because the OSX won't go down, doesn't mean that programs specificaly designed for OSX (photoshop, illustrator, etc.) won't take a dive at so much as a sneeze.
Anyway that's my $.02 take it with however many grains of salt you wish...
I've been a computer user since the days of the IIgs and C64 and I've tryed and ran just about everything (I'm just now getting into Linux, but at one time I ran Be for about 6 months...) Anyway I use both XP and OSX on a daily basis soe here goes:
If you want something simple that you know will start when you want it to and will do the easy stuff exactly the way you tell it go with the mac
If you want something that will let you under the hood and do all kinds of neat modifications and tricks and such go with the pc
The is a realy great essay written by Niel Stephenson called "In the Begining was the Command Line" It's a few years old now but it hits the nail on the head by saying that the Mac is like an Italian sports car with the hood welded shut. It'll do lots of cool stuff but you can never look inside to see how it works.
My biggest complaint with OSX is (and I'm sure I'll get flammed for this) is the fact that it's pretty much an incomplete OS. I use OSX at work, were I'm a graphic designer, and I've been through several updates to OSX and Apple has STILL not fixed the printing problems. I have a brand new CTP machine that the mac just won't print to, Apple swears the next releas will fix it. The only way I can print to the color laser machine is by using a GNU work around released by some guys who also got sick of the incomplete ness of OSX. I get several documenst in a week from people using OS9 that I can't use the fonts from becasue of OSX. Now OSX is stable, I'll definatly give it that but consider that Microsoft has to make sure that Windows will run on a neer infinate number of computer configurations, were Apple gets to pick from a very tiny amount of systems all of which were made by Apple. That's why OSX is super stable. However, just because the OSX won't go down, doesn't mean that programs specificaly designed for OSX (photoshop, illustrator, etc.) won't take a dive at so much as a sneeze.
Anyway that's my $.02 take it with however many grains of salt you wish...
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[quote name='adezero']no one's going to change anyone's opinion on why macs are so good/bad. the pc users will stay with their pcs and the mac users will stay with their macs. stop preaching[/quote]
Of course. Because god knows that there are no people who aren't solely dedicated to one OS.
It's not like the OP even solicited this conversation to begin with. And the OP most certainly did not want anyone to explain the differences between the two.
myke.
Of course. Because god knows that there are no people who aren't solely dedicated to one OS.
It's not like the OP even solicited this conversation to begin with. And the OP most certainly did not want anyone to explain the differences between the two.
myke.
[quote name='adezero']no one's going to change anyone's opinion on why macs are so good/bad. the pc users will stay with their pcs and the mac users will stay with their macs. stop preaching[/quote]
Well thats the reason I wanted to start this thread. I've used only Windows for my whole life, and I wanted to see if people could convince me to get a mac.
Well thats the reason I wanted to start this thread. I've used only Windows for my whole life, and I wanted to see if people could convince me to get a mac.
[quote name='CocaineReaver2k'][quote name='bignick']Ya, my windows machine crashes all the time....
Seriously, I would say %80 of mac users buy it for looks, thats why you see all the chicks using them. If you dont know whether or not you want an mac or a pc, then flip a coin.[/quote]
LMMFAO! Buy it for looks... how about maybe because they have the best OS out there (Hands down and you PC users can STFU because you know I'm right). I bought my iBook 2 years ago, and it hasn't failed me since Hell I dropped it off my bed once, and it's a loft bed about 6 feet or so off the ground, and after getting it repaired, it works like new. PC's are attracted to virus's like a whore to STD's, so please, stay away from them. If you have any sense at all you'll buy a Mac. I love my iBook....
Edit: But I can only speak for myself... not 80% of the Mac users...([/quote]
a co-worker who is looking for a new pc IS interested in the mac just cuz of the looks and design, i think it is the one with the hard-drive built into the lcd. cool if you're into that sort of thing but for the serious user, pc's are just too conveinient to work with nowadays, i mean, there are pleanty of programs that are compatible with mac nowadays, but I THINK the pc is the most versatile IF YOU RUN A LOT OF SOFTWARE FROM small authors (who mostly write for pc anyways.)
if you want power and solid performance, i guess the mac is the way to go, but, for versatility and options you'de better go with a pc.
my co-worker who was thinking bout buying a pc ended up buying a mac by-the-way cuz of it looks and because he has a ipod. go figure!
Seriously, I would say %80 of mac users buy it for looks, thats why you see all the chicks using them. If you dont know whether or not you want an mac or a pc, then flip a coin.[/quote]
LMMFAO! Buy it for looks... how about maybe because they have the best OS out there (Hands down and you PC users can STFU because you know I'm right). I bought my iBook 2 years ago, and it hasn't failed me since Hell I dropped it off my bed once, and it's a loft bed about 6 feet or so off the ground, and after getting it repaired, it works like new. PC's are attracted to virus's like a whore to STD's, so please, stay away from them. If you have any sense at all you'll buy a Mac. I love my iBook....
Edit: But I can only speak for myself... not 80% of the Mac users...
([/quote]a co-worker who is looking for a new pc IS interested in the mac just cuz of the looks and design, i think it is the one with the hard-drive built into the lcd. cool if you're into that sort of thing but for the serious user, pc's are just too conveinient to work with nowadays, i mean, there are pleanty of programs that are compatible with mac nowadays, but I THINK the pc is the most versatile IF YOU RUN A LOT OF SOFTWARE FROM small authors (who mostly write for pc anyways.)
if you want power and solid performance, i guess the mac is the way to go, but, for versatility and options you'de better go with a pc.
my co-worker who was thinking bout buying a pc ended up buying a mac by-the-way cuz of it looks and because he has a ipod. go figure!
Well, I don't care about converting anybody. But here's my experience. I just bought an iBook G4 two weeks ago. I've been a PC guy since the '80's. I grew up with 'em. I even converted my father-in-law to SWITCH to PC from Mac a few years ago. I decided to take a chance with a Mac because I was impressed with the integration of everything, and the portability, not to mention the fact that the iBook makes ZERO noise, so its perfect for class. It took me about a week to learn the OS, and now I'm cruising along. OSX is really a nice intuitive format. I'm extremely happy with my purchase, and would recommend an iBook to anybody.
If you want a computer that does everything for you, without having to TELL it what to do, go for a Mac. If you like spending a lot of time configuring settings, and customizing to get the computer to do what it should do out of the box, then go with a PC. I won't be giving up my PC any time soon, but Macs are just a great computer.
Seriously though, instead of listening to all these fanboy-ish posts from people who just want to validate their own opinion, why don't you just go down to the Apple Store or a reseller and try one out for yourself. You won't even have to mess up your hair first to get in the door. :lol: Make up your own mind instead of being a sheep and taking pople's word as "the truth" on a message board. If you like it, great. If not, great. I don't care what you do.
If you want a computer that does everything for you, without having to TELL it what to do, go for a Mac. If you like spending a lot of time configuring settings, and customizing to get the computer to do what it should do out of the box, then go with a PC. I won't be giving up my PC any time soon, but Macs are just a great computer.
Seriously though, instead of listening to all these fanboy-ish posts from people who just want to validate their own opinion, why don't you just go down to the Apple Store or a reseller and try one out for yourself. You won't even have to mess up your hair first to get in the door. :lol: Make up your own mind instead of being a sheep and taking pople's word as "the truth" on a message board. If you like it, great. If not, great. I don't care what you do.
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Having worked with all sorts of machines, if you're price consious, you might as well stick with a PC. Apple's do not come cheap. As for XP boxes crashing... don't worry about what other people say, Microsoft has made a good, solid product. If you have to go on price alone, go with a PC.
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