Should I (we) be mad at my sis?

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If you're getting married to a divorcee, then yes!

And I was serious about eloping and spending your money on the honeymoon, rather than the wedding.
 
Alright, I'll say my peace:

1. You're a dick. Seriously.

2. Your wife seems like the type of woman who never outgrew that bullshit that women in their teens and twenties think is okay. Every guy knows what bullshit I'm talking about, so I won't bother explaining it. DoK was going through it in some thread a while back. Try and find it.

3. The fact that you're spending $30,000 on a wedding when you could be using that money on a house makes me seriously question your judgement. The fiancee's bullshit influence could really be coming into play here.

4. I really wish there weren't any recommendations in this thread for you to have a kid, cause I don't want your or your fiancee's genes passed on.
 
[quote name='evanft']Alright, I'll say my peace:

1. You're a dick. Seriously.

2. Your wife seems like the type of woman who never outgrew that bullshit that women in their teens and twenties think is okay. Every guy knows what bullshit I'm talking about, so I won't bother explaining it. DoK was going through it in some thread a while back. Try and find it.

3. The fact that you're spending $30,000 on a wedding when you could be using that money on a house makes me seriously question your judgement. The fiancee's bullshit influence could really be coming into play here.

4. I really wish there weren't any recommendations in this thread for you to have a kid, cause I don't want your or your fiancee's genes passed on.[/QUOTE]

1. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, dick.

2. A memorable wedding where everything goes perfect certainly is important to my fiance, just like every other women in America thats engaged.

3. We're spending 20-25, which is less than average, as cochese correctly pointed out. BTW all of this is coming from the parents. Thank G-d.

4. No kids in the near future, I hope anyway.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']
4. No kids in the near future, I hope anyway.[/QUOTE]

Entire World> Phew, bullet dodged.

Awww c'mon lighten up pittpizza! Youse gunna get married!
 
[quote name='pittpizza']
Not only will this take a massive amount of attention away from Amie (not important really) and I as a couple, but it will also pretty much prevent my sister from doing any bridesmaids stuff. It may even prevent my sister from attending our wedding (depending on how close to the wedding date she delivers). [/QUOTE]


But you two DO think it's important. If it wasn't, you would have never mentioned it.
I just have a feeling you're just married to one of them girls. A complete asshole. No offense, really as I don't know her. But just from the story and the few pages of reading.

But whatever really. Good luck, and hopefully things work out for the best. I just have a feeling you'll be in your 40s and trollin' for some fresh new booty because your wife is making your life miserable. :lol:
 
[quote name='lilboo']
But whatever really. Good luck, and hopefully things work out for the best. I just have a feeling you'll be in your 40s and trollin' for some fresh new booty because your wife is making your life miserable. :lol:[/quote]
That happens to a lot of men. It sucks, I feel for them.
 
[quote name='Autumn Star']That happens to a lot of men. It sucks, I feel for them.[/QUOTE]

I apologize to hijack the thread, but I have to respond to that.
When I hear stories about that, it always drives me crazy. See, most of the time these men who go trollin for some fresh new ass is USUALLY because the wife stops having sex. What I find maddening in that, is that they could have gone 10 years without having sex..and the man is SUPPOSED to be OK with that and he's not allowed to be upset because that would be disrespectful to the wife's feelings :roll:. Yet, when she catches him cheating on her.. SHE'S the victim. :roll:. Ugh. Maybe I need to stop watching talk shows.

Sorry again.
 
My sister-in-law had a baby a month just before our wedding. Rather than being a "distraction", it made our wedding that much more memorable. It's not worth causing a rift between your wife and your family over something that should also be a cause for celebration. Also, it'll probably deflect the inevitable "when are you going to have a baby" question for at least a couple years.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I apologize to hijack the thread, but I have to respond to that.
When I hear stories about that, it always drives me crazy. See, most of the time these men who go trollin for some fresh new ass is USUALLY because the wife stops having sex. What I find maddening in that, is that they could have gone 10 years without having sex..and the man is SUPPOSED to be OK with that and he's not allowed to be upset because that would be disrespectful to the wife's feelings :roll:. Yet, when she catches him cheating on her.. SHE'S the victim. :roll:. Ugh. Maybe I need to stop watching talk shows.

Sorry again.[/quote]

:lol: When I read your posts with Mr. Slave's voice in mind (thanks to your new avatar) I just can't stop laughing.

And yes there's probably better things for you than talk shows, although not much on TV. This is why I have all my dvds these days.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I apologize to hijack the thread, but I have to respond to that.
When I hear stories about that, it always drives me crazy. See, most of the time these men who go trollin for some fresh new ass is USUALLY because the wife stops having sex. What I find maddening in that, is that they could have gone 10 years without having sex..and the man is SUPPOSED to be OK with that and he's not allowed to be upset because that would be disrespectful to the wife's feelings :roll:. Yet, when she catches him cheating on her.. SHE'S the victim. :roll:. Ugh. Maybe I need to stop watching talk shows.

Sorry again.[/quote]

Hmm...a few things about that...

If your wife doens't have sex with you for 2-3 months and there aren't obvious stressors in her life ( such as pregnancy, baby, job ) then there is a huge problem. A woman can not have a headache for months at a time unless she's about to have an aneurysm. Why would a woman want to stop having sex with the man that she loves out of the blue?

The guys in those situations are being unperceptive dumbasses. They're NOT supposed to be okay, they're supposed to be vocal in their dissent. But not so much in a " why the fuck aren't we fucking?!" sort of tone, as that's terribly inconsiderate and unproductive, but in a " what's wrong, we haven't had sex in a while, what's going on?" sort of tone. That's respectful to her feelings and gets his point across also. A marraige counselor could help if the above method didn't work, but don't go on for 10 years without having sex in a marraige.

The sad part is is that most men don't think that way because they simply aren't taught to. They're taught to shy away from " talking about feelings". Because of that, some women aren't as straightforward with their problems in a relationship as they should be. Or maybe it's because of the women that the men are like that. Either way, both the husband and the wife suffer. Chances are if you haven't had sex with your wife in 10 years, your wife has found another man and is cheating on you.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']Hmm...a few things about that...

If your wife doens't have sex with you for 2-3 months and there aren't obvious stressors in her life ( such as pregnancy, baby, job ) then there is a huge problem. A woman can not have a headache for months at a time unless she's about to have an aneurysm. Why would a woman want to stop having sex with the man that she loves out of the blue?

The guys in those situations are being unperceptive dumbasses. They're NOT supposed to be okay, they're supposed to be vocal in their dissent. But not so much in a " why the fuck aren't we fucking?!" sort of tone, as that's terribly inconsiderate and unproductive, but in a " what's wrong, we haven't had sex in a while, what's going on?" sort of tone. That's respectful to her feelings and gets his point across also. A marraige counselor could help if the above method didn't work, but don't go on for 10 years without having sex in a marraige.

The sad part is is that most men don't think that way because they simply aren't taught to. They're taught to shy away from " talking about feelings". Because of that, some women aren't as straightforward with their problems in a relationship as they should be. Or maybe it's because of the women that the men are like that. Either way, both the husband and the wife suffer. Chances are if you haven't had sex with your wife in 10 years, your wife has found another man and is cheating on you.[/QUOTE]

I wonder how long you've been married? My wife hasn't cut me off, but it's amazing. Before, we'd go 3-4 times a week (after a couple of years). Almost immediately after getting married, it was down to 2. After a year, it was down to 1. Now, it's one most weeks, but we can go 2-3 weeks without any. It just happens (and we don't have kids). So, I can see how, eventually, it goes down to not having sex for 6 months. It doesn't happen all at once, it's a gradual thing, and then it hits you.

So, I think it can happen, and it happens to more men than would care to admit it.
 
I haven't read most of the topic. However, most women hate each other. Not to say that your sister planned her pregnancy to fall around your wedding, but I'm sure she was aware. Is she your younger or older sister? She probably just wants all the attention on her, like most women want.
 
Yeah of course my sister was aware that her attempting to get pregnant could interfere with her participating/attending our wedding. Taking into account of course the unpredictability of such things.

She is older, by two years and while it's silly to say she did it to get attention away from us and onto herself; it's silly to deny that she obviously was not concerned enough to plan around it.

Like I said, you CAN NOT control when you get pregnant, but you CAN control when you start to try to get pregnant.
 
Question that I may have misunderstood: I can understand that your sis dropped out because she'll be like uber pregnant by that point. But she's not even coming to the wedding AT ALL?
 
[quote name='evanft']

3. The fact that you're spending $30,000 on a wedding when you could be using that money on a house makes me seriously question your judgement. The fiancee's bullshit influence could really be coming into play here.
[/QUOTE]

Right, because that down-payment is all you need for a house.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Question that I may have misunderstood: I can understand that your sis dropped out because she'll be like uber pregnant by that point. But she's not even coming to the wedding AT ALL?[/quote]

Our wedding is an hour away at a ski resort. It's in September so there won't be snow so then it's just a resort w/ golf mtn biking etc.

The last we spoke she said, depending upon her pregnancy (due date now is End of August, give or take a month) she either won't be able to come b/c she'll be too pregnant. Possibly too far from a hospital (I really dunno shit about pregnant women and what they can/cannot do)??? Or if she had it already, she said she coudln't take a newborn baby, just a week or weeks old out to a wedding (which sounded like overprotective BS to me).

I'm telling you thread, my sister really is kind of bitchy. I'm not just being a spoiled ass here. I love her of course, but she is not someone I would normally befriend b/c she is the kind of person who dislikes/judges most people she meets because they don't live up to her standards.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Our wedding is an hour away at a ski resort. It's in September so there won't be snow so then it's just a resort w/ golf mtn biking etc.

The last we spoke she said, depending upon her pregnancy (due date now is End of August, give or take a month) she either won't be able to come b/c she'll be too pregnant. Possibly too far from a hospital (I really dunno shit about pregnant women and what they can/cannot do)??? Or if she had it already, she said she coudln't take a newborn baby, just a week or weeks old out to a wedding (which sounded like overprotective BS to me).

I'm telling you thread, my sister really is kind of bitchy. I'm not just being a spoiled ass here. I love her of course, but she is not someone I would normally befriend b/c she is the kind of person who dislikes/judges most people she meets because they don't live up to her standards.[/QUOTE]

Dude - you don't want babies at a wedding. Period. Especially new babies.

Either they'll cry the entire time, or your sister will not actually be able to enjoy it.

OR

Everyone will pay less attention to you and your bride, and want to see the 'real' addition to the family.

Trust me: no babies allowed.
 
Oh yeah cochese I don't disagree. I was just explaining to Lilboo why my sis pretty much straight up told us she won't come.

Disappointing but hey, the better news is that I'm gonna be Uncle Pittpizza. I hope she has a boy and I can get him to hooked on videogames b/c she always has (and still does) give me shit about playing them. (
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Our wedding is an hour away at a ski resort. It's in September so there won't be snow so then it's just a resort w/ golf mtn biking etc.

The last we spoke she said, depending upon her pregnancy (due date now is End of August, give or take a month) she either won't be able to come b/c she'll be too pregnant. Possibly too far from a hospital (I really dunno shit about pregnant women and what they can/cannot do)??? Or if she had it already, she said she coudln't take a newborn baby, just a week or weeks old out to a wedding (which sounded like overprotective BS to me).

I'm telling you thread, my sister really is kind of bitchy. I'm not just being a spoiled ass here. I love her of course, but she is not someone I would normally befriend b/c she is the kind of person who dislikes/judges most people she meets because they don't live up to her standards.[/QUOTE]

Well it makes sense for her to not go because she is too pregnant. It would be really memorable to have a wedding and she goes into labor at the church :lol: But a newborn at a wedding? No, really. You should thank her for not going. If you were worried about her being pregnant would take away from the attention, there would be nothing more attenting getting then a screaming 2 week old fuckin baby screaming in the back of a church.
 
Man Pittpizza, your nothing like your username and avatar.
Just by those two things I would of imagined you'd get married at Chuck E. Cheese. That would be much better than a $30,000 snooze feast.

BTW it's a good idea to leave personal data like this off the forums because people will roast you alive (which you already see) unless maybe it's funny or nerd related. For example you got married through WoW or some shit.
 
[quote name='thorbahn3']Man Pittpizza, your nothing like your username and avatar.
Just by those two things I would of imagined you'd get married at Chuck E. Cheese.[/quote]

LMAO, that would make sense.

As to the personal stuff, I really don't care and have pretty thick skin. Amongst all the basement shutin comments (to be expected) lies some good posts so it's all good. This thread is not even that personal compared to alot of the breakup threads you see.

My life is an open book...with a lot of pages ripped out.
 
my problem with him disclosing the price was the fact he disclosed it.. there is absolutely no reason to do that, so he is bragging about the amount he is spending.. which is shallow and screwed up
 
Bragging? Hardly! It's less than average and that is nothing to brag about, especially when, as I have already said, it's allcoming from our parents.

To be sure, the only thing I have done regarding the price of the wedding is bitch and complain about it, and about how much the whole industry is a racket.

But, it (a big traditional wedding) is important to most women so good luck finding one who it is not important to.
 
$25-30k is a waste. You should use that money towards a house or condo, something that can last your family a long time instead of a one day thing.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Bragging? Hardly! It's less than average and that is nothing to brag about, especially when, as I have already said, it's allcoming from our parents.

To be sure, the only thing I have done regarding the price of the wedding is bitch and complain about it, and about how much the whole industry is a racket.

But, it (a big traditional wedding) is important to most women so good luck finding one who it is not important to.[/quote]

I'm married.. have been for 5 years.. my wedding was around 12K.. right out of college.. I understand that weddings cost money.. what I'm saying is the price of the wedding had 0 relevance to the story...
 
[quote name='Blackout542']$20-25k is a waste. You should use that money towards a house or condo, something that can last your family a long time instead of a one day thing.[/quote]

Fixed.

I, like many other cheap asses here, agree. Amie OTOH, does not, she keeps pointing to the fact that it is the most important day of our lives (to date) and that it is below the avg. amount spent by a couple on a wedding.

While I think it's important to have a good time and have all my friends there, I don't think it has to be as NICE (which is really just another word for expensive IMO) as it can be.

I would be perfectly happy with a fire-hall/random convention center reception but I'm not marrying myself and it is important to her. We're actually having a pretty bare-bones weddign too. No band, no ice sculptures, no strolling violinist or any of that jazz. We're doing it as cheap as we can but it's the resort reception that is killing us.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']$20-25k is a waste. You should use that money towards a house or condo, something that can last your family a long time instead of a one day thing.[/quote]

Fixed.

I, like many other cheap asses here, agree. Amie OTOH, does not, she keeps pointing to the fact that it is the most important day of our lives (to date) and that it is below the avg. amount spent by a couple on a wedding.

While I think it's important to have a good time and have all my friends there, I don't think it has to be as NICE (which is really just another word for expensive IMO) as it can be.

I would be perfectly happy with a fire-hall/random convention center reception but I'm not marrying myself and it is important to her. We're actually having a pretty bare-bones weddign too. No band, no ice sculptures, no strolling violinist or any of that jazz. We're doing it as cheap as we can but it's the resort reception that is killing us.

[quote name='DJSteel']I'm married.. have been for 5 years.. my wedding was around 12K.. right out of college.. I understand that weddings cost money.. what I'm saying is the price of the wedding had 0 relevance to the story...[/quote]

In the OP, I just included that for context, and b/c I felt like letting out a little steam about how much a racket the industry is. Not meant to brag at all, esp. since its below avg. and it's not really our money we're spending on the wedding. On the contrary, the thing to brag about would be to have wedding that was exactly what your wife wanted for 5k. Now that is something worth braggign about. You're right though, this is all sort of an aside.

[quote name='Maklershed']Back to back meatwad posts? *universe asplodes*[/quote]
What can I say? The man has good taste.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']
But, it (a big traditional wedding) is important to most women so good luck finding one who it is not important to.[/quote]

Well, I'm a woman. I have zero interest in a big wedding. It's absolutely no offense, I have been to several very lovely ones, but can't get past wasteful they are. The whole production seems very arrogant and self-centered, which puts me off. I'm also not a fan of diamonds and engagement rings for the same reasons, plus some. I would just feel terrible knowing what good I could do with an extra $30K, and instead wasting it all on a few hours.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']
She is older, by two years and while it's silly to say she did it to get attention away from us and onto herself; it's silly to deny that she obviously was not concerned enough to plan around it.

Like I said, you CAN NOT control when you get pregnant, but you CAN control when you start to try to get pregnant.[/quote]

So you haven't gotten past this, despite what others have said here. From your future wife's comments, she hasn't either.

I think you have two choices.

You can continue to blame your sister for her decision. It's pretty clear that you and your future wife resent her decision and take it personally.

Or you can let it go. And really let it go. Don't say you're a proud uncle but you feel a little disrespected. Don't talk about how wonderful a kid is but how you wish your sister had waited. Really let it go. There's nothing you can do about it, anyway.

Maybe you need to get it out of your system first? It is obviously still bothering you, and even if you want to put a happy face on it, you can't control the way you feel about it.

What you can do is work through your feelings. Does your sister have a history of this sort of thing? Is there some other conflict between you and her or between her and your fiance? Something specific, not just general personality clashes. Have you talked with your sister about how you feel? You may not want to, but maybe there's something she has to say about it.

You can't change or control your sister. The only thing left to you is to decide what kind of person you are going to be with respect to your sister's decision...and if you're going to still be carrying this with you on your wedding day.
 
[quote name='squid']Well, I'm a woman. I have zero interest in a big wedding. It's absolutely no offense, I have been to several very lovely ones, but can't get past wasteful they are. The whole production seems very arrogant and self-centered, which puts me off. I'm also not a fan of diamonds and engagement rings for the same reasons, plus some. I would just feel terrible knowing what good I could do with an extra $30K, and instead wasting it all on a few hours.[/quote]

Then surely you must know that you are the exception, not the rule.

[quote name='blandstalker']So you haven't gotten past this, despite what others have said here. From your future wife's comments, she hasn't either.

I think you have two choices.

You can continue to blame your sister for her decision. It's pretty clear that you and your future wife resent her decision and take it personally.

Or you can let it go. And really let it go. Don't say you're a proud uncle but you feel a little disrespected. Don't talk about how wonderful a kid is but how you wish your sister had waited. Really let it go. There's nothing you can do about it, anyway.

Maybe you need to get it out of your system first? It is obviously still bothering you, and even if you want to put a happy face on it, you can't control the way you feel about it.

What you can do is work through your feelings. Does your sister have a history of this sort of thing? Is there some other conflict between you and her or between her and your fiance? Something specific, not just general personality clashes. Have you talked with your sister about how you feel? You may not want to, but maybe there's something she has to say about it.

You can't change or control your sister. The only thing left to you is to decide what kind of person you are going to be with respect to your sister's decision...and if you're going to still be carrying this with you on your wedding day.[/quote]

There is actually some good stuff here. Perhaps addressing some of these points might help deliniate the finer points of my position:

1. I've never just "said" I was happy. From the get-go, and I think even in the OP IIRC, I've said and felt that this is truely a blessing. I've said it ad naseum but ppl seem to be forgetting or ignoring so once again: I value a new life as much much more important than attendance at a ceremony, and while I would like for my sister to be at my wedding, the dissappointment felt at her non-attendance pales in comparison to the joy at seeing her give birth to my neice/nephew.

2. Nope, there is nothing anybody can do about it now. Acknowledging this, the best thing to do for sure is to just move forward and get over it, forget about it. A year from now none of this will matter or probably even be remembered. It is true the only thing we have control over is how we represent ourselves.

As to your questions, there are no real rifts between my sister and I other than the general personality stuff I've mentioned. I'd guess that we are as close or closer than most bro's and sisters in thier late 20's. Sis def. has a history of putting herself first but I don't even view that as what is going on here, you can't expect someone to plan something as important as a birth around a wedding, even if it is your brother's and you promised his fiance that you'd be there, physically and otherwise.

Do we resent her and take anything personally? Absolutely not. Do we wish we were more important to her, perhaps even important enough for her to wait another month before quitting birth control (and attempting to get pregnant) so she could come to our wedding? Yeah, but good advice is to get over it b/c there is nothing we can do about it. When we did talk to her about it and express disappointment that she might not be able to attend, as expected she got defensive and offended and said she probably won't be able to come.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Then surely you must know that you are the exception, not the rule.



There is actually some good stuff here. Perhaps addressing some of these points might help deliniate the finer points of my position:

1. I've never just "said" I was happy. From the get-go, and I think even in the OP IIRC, I've said and felt that this is truely a blessing. I've said it ad naseum but ppl seem to be forgetting or ignoring so once again: I value a new life as much much more important than attendance at a ceremony.

2.[/QUOTE]

Haha you should invite her to your honeymoonz.
 
Don't be upset with your sister.

I really doubt she was trying to be that vindictive. I can understand what your saying, it seems like your just really more upset with the situation as than your sister.

Work around it, you have plenty of time .. not until September .. to find another friend or family memeber to be a bridesmaid.

Congrat. your sister, and just let her know it's something important to you and you hope she can make it at the least, and your excited to be an uncle. I mean it is your sister.
 
In retrospect, it seems evident that I worded the topic poorly.

Perhaps it should read something like: "Are we justified at being disappointed about a situation" or something like that. The current title suggests too much culpability on the part of my sister which is evidently misleading a bunch of CAGs to misinterpret how we feel.

I tried to be clear and indicate that we do not BLAME her, we are not MAD at her: "disappointed at the situation" is much more accurate.

We have definitely congratulated her and expressed that we are totally psyched about her pregnancy. At the end of the day, as some others have mentioned, this may even work out better than if she were never pregant at all. Things like this usually do seem to work out better than the status quo was originally....life is funny like that...which is why I thank my lucky stars everyday!
 
Because I'm bored, I'm going to re-cap what IMO are the best suggestions in this thread, in order.

1. Make her name it Pittpizza. I fuckin love it, what a great name for a real person.

2. Get Amie (my fiance) pregnant right away, and thereby start a battle of the attention war.
 
[quote name='lordxixor101']I wonder how long you've been married? My wife hasn't cut me off, but it's amazing. Before, we'd go 3-4 times a week (after a couple of years). Almost immediately after getting married, it was down to 2. After a year, it was down to 1. Now, it's one most weeks, but we can go 2-3 weeks without any. It just happens (and we don't have kids). So, I can see how, eventually, it goes down to not having sex for 6 months. It doesn't happen all at once, it's a gradual thing, and then it hits you.

So, I think it can happen, and it happens to more men than would care to admit it.[/quote]

Never been married and have no credentials. Thanks for the heads up, dog.
 
Addressing the off topic (which is fine) issue of Marriage = death of sex.

It really is tough to make generalizations (usually the male has a larger sex drive but not always, that would be nice eh?) but GENERALLY SPEAKING as you get older, your sex drive sort of just goes away. I'm not talking about the ABILITY to have sex, I'm talking about the desire. So those in relationships where you feel sex starved b/c the woman isn't as about it as you are, have hope! You will never be successful in having more sex, but not having enough sex starts to suck less! It's sort of like the peyton manning commercials: buy bigger shirts.

Relationships age, lust fades as does the sex. Hell after six years I can sort of see this happening. It happens in every relationship and it's totally natural. Hopefully a couple has a similar sex drive but what I'm trying to say is that if you're a really horny yet monogamous guy, have faith, you'll get less horny.

It sort of sounds defeatist but lets face it, nobody wants 50-60 year olds as horny as they were when they were 18.

We have lived together for 4 years now and I doubt the legal and religious significance (which is all that really changes when you marry) will have an impact on our relationship.

Hey! I think I've just found a limit as to how personal I'm willing to get on int. msg bds.
 
Thanks for the incite, Heath. Never really took that age factor and length of relationship factor into consideration, which made me very wrong.
 
I can't believe no one pointed this out.

The picture of Aimee on the wedding website? The look on her face? The forced smile/semi-sneer, not quite a grimace, longing to be a frown? You can just tell she doesn't want to be there.

Proof positive, in addition to all of the aforementioned evidence, that she is, in fact, a bitch.

I'd say sever and save yourself the 30K...which is ludicrous to spend on a wedding. Put it towards a house; if you go through with the wedding, make sure it has a big yard, rent some tents, order catering and have it there, Godfather-style.

But overall, I'd say sever.
 
Everyone in that situation is Pretty Much OWNED! oh and man up or you wifes going to be the one Running the House!
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Right, because that down-payment is all you need for a house.[/QUOTE]

Right-because in addition to being exactly what I said, $30,000 is not an actual amount of money that could possibly be applied to a house in any way....period.

[quote name='Blackout542']$25-30k is a waste. You should use that money towards a house or condo, something that can last your family a long time instead of a one day thing.[/QUOTE]

See my above response to Cochese's post to educate yourself on the finer points on real estate.
 
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