Should marijuana be legal?

[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Do you guys have a lot of clubs down there? they are popping up like wild fire up here hopefully the competition will drive the prices down...[/QUOTE]

an INSANE amount

there was just a DEA raid on some of the most popular ones including my fav. spot in Sherman Oaks

luckily they were strong enough to re-open right away

there was also a huge protest downtown against the raids

if you don't already check out WT.com lemme know and i'll PM you the URL

it has all the club listings, menus, etc...
 
[quote name='nasum']That right there pretty much proves that you're a moron and any debate you try to have with the topic is completely worthless.[/QUOTE]

go look in a mirror. :lol:


if you think MJ and cigs are equally as bad for you, provide proof

here's what gets added to cigarettes

http://www.thememoryhole.org/cig-additives.htm

my MJ is grown organically and doesn't even contain pesticides

i repeat... :lol:

any time you are calling someone a name... odds are that name actually applies to you
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Is It?

I have a club card, and i cant get arrested for anything short of dealing weed, so the issues dont effect me. But for everyone else I think its one less thing they need to worry about in this country of laws and regulations...[/quote]

First, what is this "club card" and how do I get one?
Second, here is my opinion on the matter:

As a libertarian, I believe that the government should not infringe on an individual's right to live as they choose, provided that the immediate action does not cause harm to another person. One of the areas that this belief is strongest in is the area of drugs. I think marijuana (and all drugs) should be legalized, and not regulated, or taxed. (I support this idea for all products, not just drugs.) It is your own decision, no one should be able to force you to not sell/buy/consume something.

For the record, I am a casual marijuana smoker (I smoke up maybe a few times every few months, usually all in the same time period, i.e. I will smoke several times in one week and then not smoke for a month or two.)
 
Mideast combat puts a crimp in war on drugs

WASHINGTON - Stretched thin from fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military has sharply reduced its role in the war on drugs, leaving significant gaps in U.S. efforts to halt the flow of narcotics.

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Internal records show that in the past four years the Pentagon has reduced by more than 62 percent its surveillance flight hours over Caribbean and Pacific Ocean routes that are used to smuggle in cocaine, marijuana and, increasingly, Colombian-produced heroin. At the same time, the Navy is deploying one-third fewer patrol boats for detecting and catching smugglers.

The Defense Department also plans to withdraw as many as 10 Black Hawk helicopters that have been used by a multi-agency task force to move quickly to make drug seizures and arrests in the Caribbean, a major hub for drugs heading to the United States.

And the military has deactivated many of the high-tech surveillance "aerostats," or radar balloons, that once guarded the southern border, saying it lacks the funds to restore and maintain them.
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http://www.startribune.com/484/story/963009.html


BTW - I love this doublespeak later in the article:

"DOD is in no way lessening our support" for the war on drugs, he said. "But in the post-9/11 world, some of these assets are needed elsewhere."
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So what exactly does their "support" entail? An extra prayer at bedtime for all the evil satan-worshipping pot-smokers? :lol:
 
[quote name='kevzik']1. Not everyone thinks being overweight is a stupid choice...head on over to the 4XL concert shirt thread in off topic.

2. I am talking stupid choices that result in injury or death...come on now...[/quote]
1. Quite a lot of people don't consider smoking pot a stupid choice.

2. And here I thought diabetes and heart attacks were serious medical ailments that can result in death. Do 100% of overweight people develop these problems? No, but 100% of smokers don't develop cancer either.
 
Marijuana should absolutely be legal. Fighting it is a complete waste of time and money. It is the legal equivalent of the war in Iraq, maybe even worse actually.

I don't even smoke it and if anything I am biased against it. Even still, legalization is such common sense that I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Although if it is legalized, then the harder narcotics should have even stiffer penalties than before.
 
[quote name='prmononoke']First, what is this "club card" and how do I get one?
[/QUOTE]

A club card is a medical marijuana card, prescribed by a doctor, allowing you do posses and use marijuana anywhere you can smoke a cigarette, and you can buy it from the "clubs" thats why its called a club card... Dependant on where you live you may be able to get one.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']how you figure? the tobacco companies would become dealers, and whoever had the most/most potent weederettes would sell the most![/QUOTE]
Disregarding the fact that tobacco companies would pollute the "weederettes" with as much addictive shit as they do with cigarettes.
 
[quote name='Brak']Disregarding the fact that tobacco companies would pollute the "weederettes" with as much addictive shit as they do with cigarettes.[/QUOTE]
yeah thats true. But as it stands the companies that are distributing the weed through the clubs are making it potent as ever
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']yeah thats true. But as it stands the companies that are distributing the weed through the clubs are making it potent as ever[/QUOTE]

yeah, what i'm buying now, which is equal in quality to what i used to purchase from a 'friend' is about $15-20 less per 1/8th as well.

plus the variety is mind blowing

the vast majority of the co-ops/clubs/collectives around here are extremely geared towards catering to the needs of the chronically ill and therefore offer moderately priced meds, all the way up to top shelf.

most will also give a siginficant discount with some sort of medical proof of a terminal or severe illness and/or financial hardship.

the mmj community is one of the most passionate, caring and involved ones i've ever seen

it's too bad they get such a bad rap as just de-motivated 'stoners'. most of them are only like that when Seinfeld or the Simpsons is on. :lol:
 
How so? I have friends who smoke weed and it doesn't bother me at all.

I also have friends who smoke cigarettes, and I can barely be around them. The smell of the cigarettes makes me sick to my stomach (literally).

So no... My opinion isn't completely worthless.
[quote name='nasum']That right there pretty much proves that you're a moron and any debate you try to have with the topic is completely worthless.[/quote]
 
I don't know about completely legal, but decriminalization, lighter sentences, and less of a hard ass stance against it would be nice.

I guess if the issue came up, I would support complete legalization, but I have to say, when you get older, hanging out with stoners gets pretty frustrating. I used to smoke a lot, but now potheads annoy the shit out of me. go figure!

Part of it is the lame culture/economy surrounding it. the other part is that my friends get so lethargic and over-sensitive from it that they become a burden to hang out with. the first hour of hanging out = normal. Then they smoke, get stupid, and I usually make up some excuse to leave.

On the other hand, at parties and concerts, it can be great.
 
[quote name='Kawnhr']Marijuana should be legalised and then regulated and taxed by the government.[/quote]

qft


when I lived in Maine in the late 90's for a couple of years, there was a report on the news how over 80% of people in the state of maine have at least tried mary jane
 
A ton of gov't resources tied up in the criminalization of weed. Throw that on top of whatever would come out of something similar to a tobacco tax.

However, it'll never happen. Carter's administration is the closest we'll come in the US for a long, long time.

My question is if it were to be legalized, what would be the Nice Price? Per tenth? That is, say I stroll down to the corner store for a bit o' boom, how much do I have to lay out? And what's the price that will make me want to get my "green tea" through the corner store (in a controlled, legal manner) as opposed to Rick the lawyer guy who knows a guy from Vancouver that grows his own and a little bit extra?
 
[quote name='dothog']A ton of gov't resources tied up in the criminalization of weed. Throw that on top of whatever would come out of something similar to a tobacco tax.

However, it'll never happen. Carter's administration is the closest we'll come in the US for a long, long time.

My question is if it were to be legalized, what would be the Nice Price? Per tenth? That is, say I stroll down to the corner store for a bit o' boom, how much do I have to lay out? And what's the price that will make me want to get my "green tea" through the corner store (in a controlled, legal manner) as opposed to Rick the lawyer guy who knows a guy from Vancouver that grows his own and a little bit extra?[/QUOTE]

in my area.. an 1/8th on the street can go for anywhere from 70-80

at my local co-op that same quality/amount is 45-60

if the government was involved though, i would expect premium prices and mediocre quality

another good thing about co-ops is the other stuff they have for sale.. edible items, concentrates, etc...

mine also has a smoking lounge where patients can relax and smoke in a small group together

also the receptionist is crazy hot
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']in my area.. an 1/8th on the street can go for anywhere from 70-80

at my local co-op that same quality/amount is 45-60

if the government was involved though, i would expect premium prices and mediocre quality

another good thing about co-ops is the other stuff they have for sale.. edible items, concentrates, etc...

mine also has a smoking lounge where patients can relax and smoke in a small group together

also the receptionist is crazy hot[/QUOTE]
I'm in the sticks where we do things the old fashioned way: we get ours through people who know people who know people who can vouch for the reputation of the product and source. A co-op with a crazy hot receptionist is outside of the realm of the possible for me. Well, maybe it's possible, I just don't smoke enough to know.

I don't think that gov't controls would necessarily result in mediocre product. If it were legalized, I would imagine that private growing would be legal (that is, growing for personal use). And then I'd buy quality seeds and grow my own crop without any legal worries in the backyard alongside my tomatoes and peppers. I considered growing my own briefly (with my neighbor) until my wife shouted me back into reality.

Oh, and I always associate $100 with a 1/4th. That seems to be right between your street and co-op values. I really don't know if it'd be higher if the gov't were involved. It'd be fun to find out.
 
[quote name='dothog']I'm in the sticks where we do things the old fashioned way: we get ours through people who know people who know people who can vouch for the reputation of the product and source. A co-op with a crazy hot receptionist is outside of the realm of the possible for me. Well, maybe it's possible, I just don't smoke enough to know.

I don't think that gov't controls would necessarily result in mediocre product. If it were legalized, I would imagine that private growing would be legal (that is, growing for personal use). And then I'd buy quality seeds and grow my own crop without any legal worries in the backyard alongside my tomatoes and peppers. I considered growing my own briefly (with my neighbor) until my wife shouted me back into reality.

Oh, and I always associate $100 with a 1/4th. That seems to be right between your street and co-op values. I really don't know if it'd be higher if the gov't were involved. It'd be fun to find out.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i hear ya...

we operate under SB420 (lol) and Prop 215 which allows for a certain number of plants to be legally grown by people with a valid Dr's rec.

http://www.canorml.org/prop/local215policies.html

i don't know a lot about growing, but i hear people around here discuss it a lot.

they care a lot about the genetics and breeding, to ensure good quality across the board

right now my area is going through a Kush phase where 75% of all strains being sold are some kind of 'kush' regardless of their actual lineage.

also, $100 per 1/4 is a very fair price

some places here offer discounts based on how much you buy... so if you pick up an Oz, you can pay significantly less overall

or you can just pick up a gram or two, but pay more
 
OK, I'm a borderline "no." My reasons aren't anything big...
(1) I grew up around a few potheads. The "community" is not anything I want to be a part of... I think they're just retarded. [Disclaimer: That's my opinion, and not based on factual evidence. My only other experience dealing with potheads is on the internet, and we know how wonderful a tool THAT is.]

(2) Frankly, government regulation frightens me.

(3) When people argue about the great things about Pot, most of what I hear is how tobacco and alcohol are worse, and that's about it.

If someone could convince me, without using the words "glaucoma," "tobacco," and "alcohol" I just might change my stance on #3. #1 and #2 still stand, though.
 
I say no. Many people are already too stupid to handle alchohol responsibly, why on Earth should we give them another drug?
 
Valid points, and i do know what you mean that most stoners are straight up retarded... But i am not, and i know a lot of people who smoke A LOT but dont let the stoner retarded ness take over their life... Either way i stay smoking...
 
[quote name='LiquidNight']I say no. Many people are already too stupid to handle alchohol responsibly, why on Earth should we give them another drug?[/QUOTE]

nobody's giving anyone another drug

whether it's legal or not, we already have it

and comparing alcohol to marijuana is just about the least effective argument that can be made

i would prefer alcohol be illegal over pot, and we all know how that worked out last time around...

besides, this argument completely ignores the medicinal benefit of MJ.

it's kind of like saying "well people crash their cars when they're drunk, so codeine should be illegal to buy"

whenever you use the term 'drug' to describe something, you open up a whole can of worms

who says that a 'drug' has to be 'bad'?

most of them are good, even if they have a potential downside, yet hundreds of different types of drugs are prescribed every day by doctors
 
Yes. Any drug should be legal. If people want to fuck up their lives, let it be. Natural Selection at work.
 
Pot heads suck. If you voted yes than you should live in one of those crappy countrys like Argintina or Brazil. Drink beer, it's legal.
 
[quote name='Old Rasputin'] Drink beer, it's legal.[/QUOTE]

so is marijuana...

where i live

:cool:

and smoking mj is as american as apple pie

mmmmm... aaaaplllle piiiiiieeee...

*drool*
 
[quote name='jshendel']Yes. Any drug should be legal. If people want to fuck up their lives, let it be. Natural Selection at work.[/quote]

As long as they do it in the privacy of their stank ass homes, word up.
 
Since the topic of prices came up....I pay $20 per dime bag of chronic. $5 per stress dime bag.

Also
[quote name='PKRipp3r']
it's too bad they get such a bad rap as just de-motivated 'stoners'. most of them are only like that when Seinfeld or the Simpsons is on. :lol:[/QUOTE]

13 out of the 15 stoner friends I have are attending either Cal States or UCs. The other two are, well being bums.
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']Since the topic of prices came up....I pay $20 per dime bag of chronic. $5 per stress dime bag.

Also


13 out of the 15 stoner friends I have are attending either Cal States or UCs. The other two are, well being bums.[/QUOTE]
Yeah i know plenty of succesful stoners, but no matter what your motivation and productivity is going to be lower then if you didnt smoke. And yes ripper, frosted mini wheats are great! haha.
 
[quote name='Old Rasputin']Pot heads suck. If you voted yes than you should live in one of those crappy countrys like Argintina or Brazil. Drink beer, it's legal.[/QUOTE]
Maybe i think you suck. I bet there are a lot more people you admire that are potheads then you think... Maybe not the complete everyday smoker, but i bet quite a few smoke
 
[quote name='jshendel']Yes. Any drug should be legal. If people want to fuck up their lives, let it be. Natural Selection at work.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but the danger shows up when high/drunk/strung out/just huffed a bunch of nail polish people get behind the wheel and kill others.
 
[quote name='JackSuper']Sure, but the danger shows up when high/drunk/strung out/just huffed a bunch of nail polish people get behind the wheel and kill others.[/quote]
Correct. What needs to be done is gun turrets set up at each exit of a proclaimed druggies house, connected to a real-time drug test. If they don't pass, they can't leave. If they leave, they got shot. Let's beta-test with Darknight.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Correct. What needs to be done is gun turrets set up at each exit of a proclaimed druggies house, connected to a real-time drug test. If they don't pass, they can't leave. If they leave, they got shot. Let's beta-test with Darknight.[/QUOTE]

So now i am a proclaimed druggie. I have a 100% clean driving record, with not one ticket of any sort and ive been driving for over 7 years now, all of which i was smoking.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']So now i am a proclaimed druggie. I have a 100% clean driving record, with not one ticket of any sort and ive been driving for over 7 years now, all of which i was smoking.[/quote]

I rest my case.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']I rest my case.[/QUOTE]
Alright so ive smoke marijuana for 7+ years, makes me a druggie. You're a joke.
 
[quote name='Old Rasputin']Pot heads suck. If you voted yes than you should live in one of those crappy countrys like Argintina or Brazil. Drink beer, it's legal.[/quote]

That's absolutely correct! I never thought about it - but all the problems of "Argintina" and Brazil are totally because marijuana is legal there! Wow - wait until the DEA gets their hands on this data - totally new justification for the rightous war on drugs_that_aren't_controlled_by_corporate_USA!
 
[quote name='JackSuper']Sure, but the danger shows up when high/drunk/strung out/just huffed a bunch of nail polish people get behind the wheel and kill others.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. But make drunk driving or driving while stoned or high a capital offense and I can compromise on legalizing drugs.
 
[quote name='gaelan']They already do. Did you ever look at a dollar bill, man? There's some spooky shit goin' on there. And it's green too.[/quote]

It's, "You ever see the back of a twenty dollar bill... on weed? Oh, there's some crazy shit, man. There's a dude in the bushes. Has he got a gun? I dunno! RED TEAM GO, RED TEAM GO."
 
[quote name='dopa345']Exactly. But make drunk driving or driving while stoned or high a capital offense and I can compromise on legalizing drugs.[/quote]

Is that you Osama?
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Maybe i think you suck. I bet there are a lot more people you admire that are potheads then you think... Maybe not the complete everyday smoker, but i bet quite a few smoke[/QUOTE]

I don't admire many people, and those that I do, aren't dumb pot heads like you. I win:applause:
 
It's ridiculous that the punishment for smoking pot is hundereds of times more harmful to the individual than pot itself.
 
[quote name='Old Rasputin']Drink beer, it's legal.[/quote]I'm happier with my liver and smoking pot.
 
[quote name='tekkenlaw']I'm happier with my liver and smoking pot.[/QUOTE]

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people who have died from smoking MJ = 0
people who have died from drinking alcohol = Billions

*packs a bowl*
 
I dont use it but I think it should be legal. If alcohol and cigs are okay then chronic should be fine too. I think it should be regulated though (you can only possess a certain amount, ect).
 
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