Should same sex marriage be banned?

[quote name='alonzomourning23']I can find churches that support gay marriage for one. Two, marriage as a religious institution varies among all the different religions, and some religions, as a whole, don't really care if homosexuals marry. And, third, civil marriage has nothing to do with religion. It is the same in the eyes of the law, but has absolutely nothing to do with any religious institution.



The state can't force you to do anything in regards to your religion. They can't make you go through X before allowing a religion to perform a marriage ceremony.[/QUOTE]

Ok then since everyone wants to nitpick. I am sure they can come up with a properly worded law. But let me switch it around. If you want to get married for religious reasons only then do so. If you want the tax benefits then you must do this "union" as required by the government.

The government union can be done before or after any religious union. Its just a step that must be done in order to reap the "married" benefits.


Everyone acts like they arent allowed to love each other unless they are married. What the hell does being married have anything to do with loving or not loving someone. Many people never get married and live together and love each other until they die.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']The focus on same sex marriage is what's supposed to stop you from thinking about the bigger problems.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, that is a bigger problem to most...
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I can find churches that support gay marriage for one.[/QUOTE]
There are churches that support homosexuals and homosexual marriage. Just because you can't find them doesn't mean they don't exist.

(This one almost goes up there with you saying there aren't cults that have the Christian God at their center because you haven't heard of any)
 
The only church that I can think of that more broadly supports homosexuals, and homosexual marriage, is the Episcopal church (a/k/a The American Anglican Church, a/k/a Catholicism Lite, a/k/a God's Fencesitters).

Truth be told, there is an enormous rift in the Anglican church over this issue right now, including, IIRC, the failure to promote a very active lesbian priest (?) in California, who managed to increase attendace/participation by 33% (which is fucking INCREDIBLE) in her parish. Instead, I believe, a *ahem* "safe choice" was made.

GOP: Fags n' Flags in '04!

OT, if anyone knows where I can find a "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper sticker, send me a PM please.
 
There's - hysterically enough* - a Greek Orthodox church, in my town, that has a homosexual father (I know they're refered to as "fathers", but I don't think they're priests). It was known for a while, while he was active at the church, but he left after his lover died of AIDS. Both of them went to my barber shop, and I've seen them a few times... When he was in street clothes, imagine Rob Halford hell bent for leather... times seven.

*I say "hysterically enough" because ancient Greece is often credited for "inventing gay sex".
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I thought having a dick was what invented sex.[/QUOTE]
I sense underlying Adam and Eve influence.

SEXIST~1
 
[quote name='Brak'][quote name='alonzomourning23']
I can find churches that support gay marriage for one.[/quote]
There are churches that support homosexuals and homosexual marriage. Just because you can't find them doesn't mean they don't exist.[/quote]

It's funny when people quote a comment and still misread it.

Ok then since everyone wants to nitpick. I am sure they can come up with a properly worded law. But let me switch it around. If you want to get married for religious reasons only then do so. If you want the tax benefits then you must do this "union" as required by the government.
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So, to satisfy some conservative religious beliefs, you want removeentirely the concept of civil marriage and making it solely a religious one? With no legal standing? I know some couples who would be in trouble.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']

So, to satisfy some conservative religious beliefs, you want removeentirely the concept of civil marriage and making it solely a religious one? With no legal standing? I know some couples who would be in trouble.[/QUOTE]

Devils advocate?

This is my understanding to get back at the original question.

From my information. The gays are upset that they in some states are lacking the ability to get what?

A) tax benefits etc?

OR

B) religious marriage?

My understanding is its solely choice A correct?
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Devils advocate?

This is my understanding to get back at the original question.

From my information. The gays are upset that they in some states are lacking the ability to get what?

A) tax benefits etc?

OR

B) religious marriage?

My understanding is its solely choice A correct?[/quote]

It's really neither, I think. They just want to be accepted for who they are just like everyone else and not be treated differently based on sexual orientation. I just don't see how anyone can have a problem with that.

A great man once said, "people should be judged by what they do, not who they do."
 
[quote name='Chacrana']My indifference is unbelievably prominant.

As long as you don't try to recruit me, I don't give a fuck what you do.[/QUOTE]

This is my favorite argument on homosexuality.

Why would anyone fear "recruitment"? Do you honestly think that by having a conversation with a homosexual that you'd somehow begin to question what you are or are not attracted to?

If you get hit on by someone of the same sex, take it as a compliment. You don't need to go home with the dude.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']This is my favorite argument on homosexuality.

Why would anyone fear "recruitment"? Do you honestly think that by having a conversation with a homosexual that you'd somehow begin to question what you are or are not attracted to?

If you get hit on by someone of the same sex, take it as a compliment. You don't need to go home with the dude.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. It's not hostile at all if you think of it as an extension of being hit on by a fat and/or ugly girl (apologies to the chubby chasers out there). It's an ego boost from someone you don't wanna fuck.

Trust me, in life there are few occasions where you spontaneously find yourself with a cock in your mouth. It's like murder. It happens, but the probability of it happening to you is astronomically low.

Besides, if you want to think that way, wage a war against Scientology. They have far better record keeping skills that the Homosexual Agenda (which will be my next band's name).
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It's funny when people quote a comment and still misread it.[/QUOTE]
My mistake.

My comment is ambiguous enough for me to leave it be, however -- which I will.

[quote name='defiance_17']Why would anyone fear "recruitment"? Do you honestly think that by having a conversation with a homosexual that you'd somehow begin to question what you are or are not attracted to?[/QUOTE]

I think it has a lot to do with legitimate homophobia -- the fear of a situation sparking the instance of becoming homosexual... merely because one questions their own sexuality, and hates that fact. The fear (or lust) of having one of these fabled instances trigger their hidden homosexuality is so contradictory, it's unhealthy (and hysterical). Besides, those REAL MAYUNs leave their wives in bed, late at night, to meet up at the truck-stop porn store jerk-off booths, anyway.

That brand of homophobia, mixed with the homophobia of literally being afraid of homosexuals.
 
This afternoon on the Senate floor, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) stood before a large photograph of his family and shared this important fact: “I’m really proud to say that in the recorded history of our family, we’ve never had a divorce or any kind of homosexual relationship.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/06/inhofe-gay-marriage/

inhofe.jpg


These guys are unbelievable.
 
What narcissistic shits record their family's entire history? Either he's playing a semantic sleight of hand, and there *IS* no recorded family history, or he's enough of a fool to think that some hee-haw kinfolk from Oklafuckinghoma should have their history recorded for future generations.

"February 23, 1996: Had some chaw, maw made biscuits and gravy, starched my 'special whites,' sung hymns and burned "Madonna" lps."

Really, if you think OK is more interesting than that, you're as deluded as Senator Minnie Pearl up there.
 
What a coincidence. Theres also no recorded history of any of these dick tuggers ever doing anything worth their salaries.
[quote name='E-Z-B']This afternoon on the Senate floor, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) stood before a large photograph of his family and shared this important fact: “I’m really proud to say that in the recorded history of our family, we’ve never had a divorce or any kind of homosexual relationship.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/06/inhofe-gay-marriage/

inhofe.jpg


These guys are unbelievable.[/quote]
 
I don't completely agree that same sex marraige should be legal, but if our consitution becomes a document that actually discriminates against particular groups of people, that's the instant we betray our highest principles.
 
[quote name='Brak']
I think it has a lot to do with legitimate homophobia -- the fear of a situation sparking the instance of becoming homosexual... merely because one questions their own sexuality, and hates that fact. The fear (or lust) of having one of these fabled instances trigger their hidden homosexuality is so contradictory, it's unhealthy (and hysterical). Besides, those REAL MAYUNs leave their wives in bed, late at night, to meet up at the truck-stop porn store jerk-off booths, anyway.

That brand of homophobia, mixed with the homophobia of literally being afraid of homosexuals.[/QUOTE]

Exactly...but I know better than to straight-out say that. I tried that argument with some of the corn-fed natives up here, and I found that people generally take offense to that (and are more than ready to resort to violence, further proving my point).
The "don't try and recruit my kids" bit is great, too. As if homosexuality is severely contagious.

Anyway, I just really don't understand all this torch-and-pitchfork nonsense when it comes to gay marriage. I mean, I realize that people are afraid of what they don't understand or of people who are "different" from themselves, but I don't see how the government should be wasting its time on these groundless religious beliefs. If we allow gays to marry, is there going to be this massive uprising, and eventually the straights will become an endangered species?

I honestly don't know why I let any of this surprise me anymore, but where is the thought process with these people?
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Devils advocate?

This is my understanding to get back at the original question.

From my information. The gays are upset that they in some states are lacking the ability to get what?

A) tax benefits etc?

OR

B) religious marriage?

My understanding is its solely choice A correct?[/quote]

Partly A, not B, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the law. The government has absolutely no say over religious marriage. Sure, homosexuals would like that, but that's an issue they'd fight within the confines of their religion, not with the government.

Homosexuals was all the benefits of marriage, plus the legal recognition that their relationship is the equal of anyone elses.
 
"Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." Winston Churchill
 
[quote name='Revenantae']"Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." Winston Churchill[/QUOTE]

Well, y'know, as long as you're contributing unique thoughts and discourse relevant to the dialogue. I find your presentation of the facts irrefutable, your arguments rock solid, and in general I must concede to whatver point your plebian brain was trying to make. :roll:

"I really gotta take a dump." - Ronald Reagan.
 
"Suck my dick." - Ron Jeremy

:oops:

[quote name='mykevermin']Well, y'know, as long as you're contributing unique thoughts and discourse relevant to the dialogue. I find your presentation of the facts irrefutable, your arguments rock solid, and in general I must concede to whatver point your plebian brain was trying to make. :roll:

"I really gotta take a dump." - Ronald Reagan.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Revenantae']"Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." Winston Churchill[/quote]

Well, if Churchill says it then it must be true:

"I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes."

"I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place."

"The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate... I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed."

"It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King."

"This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,849122,00.html

He also thought Gandhi "ought to be laid, bound hand and foot, at the gates of Delhi and then trampled on by an elephant with the new viceroy seated on its back".

http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=510052006
 
[quote name='defiance_17']This is my favorite argument on homosexuality.

Why would anyone fear "recruitment"? Do you honestly think that by having a conversation with a homosexual that you'd somehow begin to question what you are or are not attracted to?

If you get hit on by someone of the same sex, take it as a compliment. You don't need to go home with the dude.[/QUOTE]

You have to keep in mind that I was joking. But yes, I do know people who actually believe that talking to gay people will magically turn them gay as well. I'm not quite sure what logic could've possibly resulted in that conclusion, but there you have it.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']You have to keep in mind that I was joking. But yes, I do know people who actually believe that talking to gay people will magically turn them gay as well. I'm not quite sure what logic could've possibly resulted in that conclusion, but there you have it.[/quote]

"I go gay, you die"
- Deniro, Analyze This

:lol:
 
[quote name='Revenantae']"Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." Winston Churchill[/QUOTE]

Churchill never said anything of the like, thanks for playing.

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=112

"Conservative by the time you're 35"
"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"
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