Six flags yesterday results in death

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I was at Six Flags in Agawam yesterday, with my dad his girlfriend and my boyfriend. I went on a few rides, like Batman, Flashback, Mind Eraser, and a few more upside down ones, plus the log ride. We were about to go on Superman and some lady said that it had been shut down for the day. I didn't know why, so I didn't ask any questions. We also saw a helicopter or two up in the sky, but we didn't know what was security and what wasn't, so I didn't think it of a big deal. My dad also claims he heard sirens. Well we found just this morning this article...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/01/coaster.death.ap/index.html
:shock:

And now I know exactly why.
 
There's a joke in very bad taste in there somewhere, but I'll leave that to the usual suspects to cover.
 
"The victim's 82-year-old mother, Germaine Mordarsky, told The Hartford Courant her son had cerebral palsy and used a scooter for transportation. She said her son liked to visit the park 90 miles west of Boston two or three times a year.

"I can't understand why they would let him on a ride like that in the first place. He was so sickly and handicapped. I just can't believe it," she said."

You know for the life of me I can't figure out why that statment made the article, roller coaster admittance is based on height, nothing else, if he was tall enough then he was good to go. She is implying that all sickly and handicapped people need to be told to hit the door, which i'm sure would result in a few hundred lawsuits.

Still I haven't hit up a Six Flags in a few years now, anyone mind explaining what type of restraints the Superman coaster has? Last coaster I was on was the Joker and that damn thing had a heavy as hell metal harness with a seat belt back up, no way anyone was getting out of that.
 
Years ago I rode the old Z-Force rollercoaster @ Six Flags over Georgia the day it reopened after someone had died on it. It was another case of "the person shouldn't have been on the ride in the first place" tho, because apparently the guy had a heart condition and he rode it anyway.
 
damn, thats something to put a damper on your day. and im pretty sure most coasters have something saying "do not ride if..." but i think thats more of a warning than a rule.
 
[quote name='coolsteel']"The victim's 82-year-old mother, Germaine Mordarsky, told The Hartford Courant her son had cerebral palsy and used a scooter for transportation. She said her son liked to visit the park 90 miles west of Boston two or three times a year.

"I can't understand why they would let him on a ride like that in the first place. He was so sickly and handicapped. I just can't believe it," she said."

You know for the life of me I can't figure out why that statment made the article, roller coaster admittance is based on height, nothing else, if he was tall enough then he was good to go. She is implying that all sickly and handicapped people need to be told to hit the door, which i'm sure would result in a few hundred lawsuits.

Still I haven't hit up a Six Flags in a few years now, anyone mind explaining what type of restraints the Superman coaster has? Last coaster I was on was the Joker and that damn thing had a heavy as hell metal harness with a seat belt back up, no way anyone was getting out of that.[/quote]

Shame on you. It's the park's fault that he died, they obviously forgot to give him an examination to find out he had cerebral palsy [sarcasm]

But seriously, how the hell does that matter if he has cerebral palsy, wouldn't he have still fallen out if he was perfectly normal? I hate whiners like that, I bet the bitch is just trying to get some money out of this.
 
i was at the houston six flags a week ago, and i saw a bunch of handicaped people riding around in their wheelchairs, i never understood how or why they could take the big roller coasters. there should just b better regulations for letting people on those rides.
 
At Six Flags Over Texas my dad actually built the ride that someone dies on (it was 20 years ago though). It was the Roaring or Raging Rapids (anyone who lives in Dallas can correct me as one is the ride at Hurricane Harbor and the other is the ride at Six Flags). Basically if I remember correctly the guy fell out of his seat and dies by one of the coveyor belts.

on a side note my dad helped build Lincoln Plaza and The Ballpark in Arlington and nothing has happened there
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Basically if I remember correctly the guy fell out of his seat and dies by one of the coveyor belts.[/quote]

Worst way to die...ever.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='CaseyRyback']Basically if I remember correctly the guy fell out of his seat and dies by one of the coveyor belts.[/quote]

Worst way to die...ever.[/quote]

yea it was pretty bad. There are a lot worse rides at the park and somehow this was the one someone died on.
 
I live right next to Six Flags in Socal (I can see it from my house)...And a couple of weeks ago this lady died because she got hit by the coaster, she was in a restricted zone...Not smart.

I'm really surprised that this guy managed to fall out of the ride, the only way it could've happened is if he squirmed out of the restraining bar or wasn't locked securely when the ride started.
 
this isnt really related but i live close to worlds of fun in KC, MO, and i remember one ride that has since been shut down permanently and taken out that one time stopped on the way back and left people hanging upside down 20 feet over a paved sidewalk for almost 3 hours. a couple people actually jumped out and i think there was one that fell out and died. crazy things happen at these places, once i was on the mamba and it got stuck at the very top (250 feet) and we had to get out and walk down the "stairs" along the side of the ride, definitely not the funnest activity in the world.
 
At first I thought this was the Six Flags in Maryland. I rode the Superman there, and it's the best rollercoaster I've ever been on. So intense. If you are going, I wouldn't not ride it, because you'd be missing a great time. Plus since this just happened everything is sure to be checked thoroughly.

[quote name='XboxMaster']I hate whiners like that, I bet the bitch is just trying to get some money out of this.[/quote]

I think any normal person would be trying to get money out of this. I mean besides the fact that her reasoning is a little off, he did fall out of a rollercoaster. That's not supposed to happen. I would sue the hell out of them.
 
[quote name='argyle']Years ago I rode the old Z-Force rollercoaster @ Six Flags over Georgia the day it reopened after someone had died on it. It was another case of "the person shouldn't have been on the ride in the first place" tho, because apparently the guy had a heart condition and he rode it anyway.[/quote]

I remeber the old zforce! SOmebody got the neck snapped on too. The it got shut down! And ninja took its place.
 
Quoting the mother
"I can't understand why they would let him on a ride like that in the first place. He was so sickly and handicapped. I just can't believe it,"

Well I can't understand why she would let him go there. Was the mother at the park with him?

I think mom has got some blame for this.

I think the guy had some kind of spastic attack or panic attack. I've been on this ride and think he may have tried to get loose.

It will be interesting to see what the investigation reveals.
 
I was at Six Flags NE last year but i didnt get to Ride the "Superman" the line was to long but with all the other costers that i rode i cant see how the hell you would get out of them. they really tie you down
 
[quote name='PapiChullo']At first I thought this was the Six Flags in Maryland. I rode the Superman there, and it's the best rollercoaster I've ever been on. So intense. If you are going, I wouldn't not ride it, because you'd be missing a great time. Plus since this just happened everything is sure to be checked thoroughly.

[quote name='XboxMaster']I hate whiners like that, I bet the bitch is just trying to get some money out of this.[/quote]

I think any normal person would be trying to get money out of this. I mean besides the fact that her reasoning is a little off, he did fall out of a rollercoaster. That's not supposed to happen. I would sue the hell out of them.[/quote]

Yeah, I'd probably sue the hell out of them as well. But I wouldn't be enough to bring up such reasons--oh, wait, my bad, I forgot how our judicial system is now.
 
[quote name='chompers02']whats the hardest thing about eating vegetables?










the wheelchair.[/quote]
:rofl:

thats so wrong i may have to sig that. congratulations, you just made jesus cry with that one.
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin'][quote name='chompers02']whats the hardest thing about eating vegetables?










the wheelchair.[/quote]
:rofl:

thats so wrong i may have to sig that. congratulations, you just made jesus cry with that one.[/quote]


Wow! That just made my joke list.
 
oh jeez...let me be the heartless bastard and just say it..

he was a 55 yr old retarded guy who was being taken care of by his 81 year old mom...

I am sure the mom is sad but at the same time she has to feel like...OH MY GOD I AM FREE! Also the old woman probably isnt gonna be around long either and then who would take care of the guy? It's probably an act of god and its meant to be.
 
[quote name='defender']oh jeez...let me be the heartless bastard and just say it..

he was a 55 yr old retarded guy who was being taken care of by his 81 year old mom...

I am sure the mom is sad but at the same time she has to feel like...OH MY GOD I AM FREE! Also the old woman probably isnt gonna be around long either and then who would take care of the guy? It's probably an act of god and its meant to be.[/quote]

i dont consider that heartless, just being a realist. youre pretty much completely right.
 
[quote name='defender']oh jeez...let me be the heartless bastard and just say it..

he was a 55 yr old retarded guy who was being taken care of by his 81 year old mom...

I am sure the mom is sad but at the same time she has to feel like...OH MY GOD I AM FREE! Also the old woman probably isnt gonna be around long either and then who would take care of the guy? It's probably an act of god and its meant to be.[/quote]

Valid point defender. I'm gonna have to agree with you. I guess that makes me a heartless bastard too.
 
[quote name='defender']oh jeez...let me be the heartless bastard and just say it..

he was a 55 yr old retarded guy who was being taken care of by his 81 year old mom...

I am sure the mom is sad but at the same time she has to feel like...OH MY GOD I AM FREE! Also the old woman probably isnt gonna be around long either and then who would take care of the guy? It's probably an act of god and its meant to be.[/quote]

That's exactly what I was thinking.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']At Six Flags Over Texas my dad actually built the ride that someone dies on (it was 20 years ago though). It was the Roaring or Raging Rapids (anyone who lives in Dallas can correct me as one is the ride at Hurricane Harbor and the other is the ride at Six Flags). Basically if I remember correctly the guy fell out of his seat and dies by one of the coveyor belts.

on a side note my dad helped build Lincoln Plaza and The Ballpark in Arlington and nothing has happened there[/quote]

I think the accident you're talking about is when the watercraft overturned and all the people drowned because they couldn't release their seatbelts. On that ride, I believe the ride controller has full control over the seatbelts.
 
I still dont understand how he fell out. I've been on the superman many times, and even when it lifts you out of the seat you are secured enough that it keeps you in. It's my second favorite ride right behind the mind eraser.
 
I would assume that it was a ride malfunction unless the is shorter or smaller than the required size to ride the ride. A great lawsuit... since Six Flags will be at fault.

There should be no way to get out of the ride....
 
A friend of mine used to work at the big roller coaster at our local Fair. In order to park it at the end of the night, they run it one last time, empty. They can't put the restraints down, I don't remember why. It's something about shutting down the power, so there would be no power to raise them.

Well the guys that work there, they all jump in and ride it ... without ANY kind of restraint. When it turns upside down (TWICE!), there is enough gravity created that you automatically stay put.

I still can't figure out who would be brave enough (or high enough) to be the first one to try it.
 
oh man.. that ride malfunction just reminded me of janet jackson's "wardrobe malfunction"... bad memories. very bad.

the only thing i can think of is that during some point in the ride, the seatbelt must have not been hitched in right and came loose after one of those turns. the news said he fell on the last turn. it was weird though, because i was there and didn't even know what was happening. i just thought it was a normal procedure in the park for them to have a helicopter (maybe a security check or something). there's been a lot of other accidents like this too, it was just especially cool/shocking to me since i was there that day.
 
The old woman could be dead by the time this goes to court and 6-fags knows that...I bet they try to delay the whole damn thing. Hey you never know the old guy may have killed himself on a coaster...it would be a good way to go I think. Better than just leaping off a normal building.

I think there is more to this story than meets the eye. It just seems to odd.

Crib Deaths are arguable if they are acts of god or not. Who can say except the parents of that child. I know that if my baby had died in a crib suddenly out of nowhere I would think of it as an act-of-god..this is why all my babies sleep with me every night...until the are old enough to be able to sleep normally.

I dont take chances with my kids. They dont go anywhere without supervision and I scream all day long at them about not doing this or that...so far so good..4 kids and no serious injuries.
 
[quote name='defender']The old woman could be dead by the time this goes to court and 6-fags knows that...[/quote]
Homophobia and religiion... why is that combination not surprising?

[quote name='defender']I know that if my baby had died in a crib suddenly out of nowhere I would think of it as an act-of-god..[/quote]
Of course you would. You'd either need to convince yourself it was all for the best (cognitive dissonance, anyone?) or be forced to acknowledge something's wrong with your beliefs at the same time you needed to grieve.

So how does god let all the other bad stuff happen? millions of people starving, sick, murdered and such? If it happens to people we don't know in another country we don't care, since these people are different; otherwise (say, sept 11th) we can always blame it on homosexuals (see above).
 
I wasn't flaming you. But you're the one who brought a god into this. And the distance between "God wanted him dead, it's a good thing he's gone" and "God wants him dead, somebody ought to do His bidding" is all too short.
 
I haven't been to 6 flags in awhile but last time I went it seemed that everyone working there was 16, even the people working the thrill rides. It kinda bothered me to think that a roller coster could be ran by some one barlly old enough to drive.

Does anyone know the ages you need to be to run the rides at a 6-flags ? Maybe it just seemed that they were young.
 
Wow deadzone, I can't believe you were there on the same day! Creepy.

It's unfortunate, cuz that was a great ride. Apparently it's closed indefinitely pending investigation. But, just like in Rollercoaster Tycoon, once someone dies on a coaster, no one's gonna go on it.

It's odd that someone would fall out right near the end on the last turn. I mean, there are tons of other, faster stretches of the ride than at the end. You're only held in by a seatbelt and a lap bar, as there are no loops, but still...

I guess there's a loophole in federal law that enables parks like Six Flags to get away with not having inspections done by the federal government, meaning they don't have to follow federal guidelines. So Six Flags is now fighting this, because apparently they don't have proper inspections, so they don't have to be responsible for the guy's death. Something like that...

And this is the second incident for Superman in NE. I think it was a year ago that two of the cars collided. People were injured, but no deaths.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CaseyRyback']At Six Flags Over Texas my dad actually built the ride that someone dies on (it was 20 years ago though). It was the Roaring or Raging Rapids (anyone who lives in Dallas can correct me as one is the ride at Hurricane Harbor and the other is the ride at Six Flags). Basically if I remember correctly the guy fell out of his seat and dies by one of the coveyor belts.

on a side note my dad helped build Lincoln Plaza and The Ballpark in Arlington and nothing has happened there[/quote]

I think the accident you're talking about is when the watercraft overturned and all the people drowned because they couldn't release their seatbelts. On that ride, I believe the ride controller has full control over the seatbelts.[/quote]

naw only one person died on the ride.
 
[quote name='defender']"act of god" wasn't meant to be a religious statement when I stated it

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/a1/actG1od.asp[/quote]

"An act of God, however, is so extraordinary and devoid of human agency that reasonable care would not avoid the consequences; hence, the injured party has no right to damages. Accidents caused by tornadoes, perils of the sea, extraordinary floods, and severe ice storms are usually considered acts of God"

If you really meant it in that sense, I take back about half of my earlier post. However, if you're using that meaning, it means you're suggesting six flags are not at fault here.
 
I have seen no evidence that they are at fault so I am assuming they arent. A jury or judge will decide on this one not me.

my original statement was simple and you read into it a bit further than its intentions

"It's probably an act of god and its meant to be"

What I mean by this is:

It's probably just some odd accident that was meant to be. Sometimes shit happens. Sometimes things work out for the best through the worst things.
 
Sometimes the worst things happen. A man died; he will be missed by his friends and family. For him, I doubt very much that this was the best way to spend the day. And while I see no evidence either way, the man did die on a Six Flags ride, and I really have no reason to assume they AREN'T responsible.

Let's wait for the official investigation is complete.
 
"and I really have no reason to assume they AREN'T responsible"

this is true but our laws and court system uphold they are innocent until proven otherwise...if a newspaper reports that 6flags is responsible before a court decides otherwise then they are libel.

I am 100% sure the old lady is sad and upset as I originally said but I am more the realist...people die they don't live forever and tragedy happens all the time. Maybe I am a bit heartless but this hardly describes me.

http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm

I am not sure how that would apply here. Maybe you can clarify if you feel its worth your time. BTW-Are you in college? Psych major? or just taking some classes and doing some online therapy for CAGers for free?
 
So if he wasnt allowed to ride the ride, the park would have been sued on some discrimination bull shit. They let him on, and he died. Now the park will be sued for a wrongfull death. Isnt that like a catch 22 or something.
 
OK..after reading more on this cognitive dissonance and rereading everything from the beginning I think I know what you thought...

you think I am some Christian Homophobe Hick..lol

untrue by far...

I use the word gay or fag as most gamers do. Like thats freaking Gay! Gay didn't always mean homosexuality and Cool, Fat (phat), and other words take on new meanings. Gay in my everyday life is not a bad word per se. I work in the east village and have gays and lesbians in my store all the time...I am not a homophobe at all. I just dont agree with it. And that statement is not meant to bait either...I am just clarifying as best I can.

Also I am not a Christian Fundamentalist. So I hope we are cool and clear and you dont think I am gay. :)
 
[quote name='BigNick']So if he wasnt allowed to ride the ride, the park would have been sued on some discrimination bull shit. They let him on, and he died. Now the park will be sued for a wrongfull death. Isnt that like a catch 22 or something.[/quote]

Yes, the guy got away with the perfect crime.
 
[quote name='defender']this is true but our laws and court system uphold they are innocent until proven otherwise...[/quote]
That's for a criminal case. The laws are completely different for civil cases.

And as for cognitive dissonance, believers use it all the time to handle the differences between reality and belief. Case in point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

I understand this may not apply to you so much, but in the case of a child's death, it's exactly what I was talking about.

I'm not a psych major - in fact my degree is in CS (I develop non-gaming software, in assembly no less), but cognitive dissonance is such a powerful concept that explains so much seemingly nonsensical human behavior that everybody needs to be aware of it (like a lot of the other stuff that makes us tick).

Finally, your deliberate misspelling of Six Flags did seem derogatory (unless you're British, and I know you're not, and were just talking about 6 cigarettes). Please reconsider the use of that term.

And with that, I bid you good night.
 
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