So, are you guys up for a Halo 2 tournament?? EDIT: 2v2 chosen teams??

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I thought it would be fun to have a fun, non-serious head-to-head tournament sometime soon. Cag and CagTac alike. Anyone who is interested, let me know. Ideas, suggestions, gamestypes/maps, whatever. You guys let me know if you'd be interested enough and I'd be happy to set everything up.

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[quote name='Arikado']Head to head? That shit is mad boring. I'm interested, but I'd rather it be 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4.[/QUOTE]

For once, I think I'll have to agree with Kado. H2H sucks balls. I think 2v2 or 3v3 would be the better choices to play. But then again, it all depends on how many people are interested in doing this.


Oh yeah, count me in for this.
 
Small teams? Shit, well the tournament team (me, Trak, Led, and Kado) would be too murder music for everyone. Bring it on.
 
I'm down for anything, as long as everyone who says they're in holds to it. I don't know if anyone remembers the H2H tourney that Xboxmaster tried to organize (which I indirectly wound up responsible for), but it didn't go as smoothly as it could have. Then again, that was completely public with everyone and their grandmother asking to be a part of it. I know everyone in both clans would be much easier to organize with.

And, like many others have stated, I think small teams (2 or 3) would be preferrable to H2H, even if it means a much smaller overall seed. Or, perhaps we could do some small-scale FFAs with 4-6 players or something. That would make the seeds a little bigger, without having to worry about the overall shittiness of direct H2H.
 
[quote name='LiquidNight']I'm all for it, but I think the teams should be random as to prevent stacking and make things more interesting[/QUOTE]

Just make seeds. Or a lottery of sorts... NBA or NHL it up.
 
[quote name='rywateska']So long as I can bring in my online friends SwatHalo69 & JeffTacular...I'm freaking in![/QUOTE]

I call Vicious Hobo and One-Shot Scott, no challenge.
 
Count me in.

[quote name='Girion47']or maybe I could team up with clan TPX :D[/QUOTE]

Yuck.
 
If Led is on the opposite team, I'm gonna have to call in the Hairy Beanbag.





[quote name='LiquidNight']I'm all for it, but I think the teams should be random as to prevent stacking and make things more interesting[/QUOTE]

That would take all the fun aspects of this out of it for me. I want to pick my partner(s).

[quote name='Girion47']me, LargeMetalGear. and XXXHardcoreXXX would tear it up.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:
 
[quote name='Trakan']If Led is on the opposite team, I'm gonna have to call in the Hairy Beanbag.[/QUOTE]

/SMASH

fuck this game.

And Trak is right; random teams is about the worst idea I've ever heard.

If this is going to a be a tournament worth playing through, then there will be no sand-bagging of any sort. Once we decide the format, teams will be comprised of whomever anyone wishes to play with, simple as that.
 
I'd prefer it be a two series tournament. One head to head tournament, one 2 on 2 tournament. Or something like that.
 
[quote name='Brak']I'd prefer it be a two series tournament. One head to head tournament, one 2 on 2 tournament. Or something like that.[/QUOTE]

Another great idea. We all need to keep in mind though that the bigger we make this, the harder it's going to be to see it through all the way.
 
I'm not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but some people may be S.O.L. in way of finding a team mate. Everyone can take part in the head to head series -- which needs to be organized to a T in order for it to work.
 
[quote name='Brak']I'm not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but some people may be S.O.L. in way of finding a team mate.[/QUOTE]

All the more reason to perhaps have 2 tourneys as you suggested. But, if someone can't get a teammate, that's their problem, not anyone else's.

[quote name='Brak']Everyone can take part in the head to head series -- which needs to be organized to a T in order for it to work.[/QUOTE]

The biggest problem with H2H is that, almost invariably, you're going to have some cases where one player distinctly outmatches the other. If we're looking to avoid that, I see two solutions: create some sort of skill heirarchy where we try to match players based on their performance in the game thus far, which would probably lead to alot of petty bitching about who's better; or do small-scale FFAs, where at least some middle-ground can be laid. I dunno.

Still though: realistically, how many people do you think we're going to have for this? 12, maybe?
 
[quote name='Ledhed']The biggest problem with H2H is that, almost invariably, you're going to have some cases where one player distinctly outmatches the other. If we're looking to avoid that, I see two solutions: create some sort of skill heirarchy where we try to match players based on their performance in the game thus far, which would probably lead to alot of petty bitching about who's better; or do small-scale FFAs, where at least some middle-ground can be laid. I dunno.

Still though: realistically, how many people do you think we're going to have for this? 12, maybe?[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Also, I think it's incredibly important that the head to head matches follow the current "balanced" gameplay that Bungie uses in matchmaking. For instance, no active camouflage on Warlock, and so on. Or stick to FFA, as you mentioned.

Which brings up another issue: how will maps/gametypes be selected (randomly)?
 
[quote name='Brak']Which brings up another issue: how will maps/gametypes be selected (randomly)?[/QUOTE]

Keeping with what you said about the "balanced" gametypes, I suggest we go with what Z said: just draw from the actual MM playlists.

If anyone's up for it though, I'd like to see some MLG action, which basically amounts to BR-start, most certainly so if we do follow forward with direct H2H.
 
what if it was interclan pairings? I already know who from CAGtac would want me as a teammate. last time I played with him he had such nice things to say to me. and acted so mature. it's so cute that Kado's brother has a mancrush
 
I dont either. I was making a sarcastic reference to some of the bitterness and elitism that keeps certain people from playing together.
 
[quote name='Girion47']I dont either. I was making a sarcastic reference to some of the bitterness and elitism that keeps certain people from playing together.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if thats what keeps certain people from playing together. I know there is a person, Jimmie, that some people will not play a game if he is in the room. I could careless who is in a room when I join, just as long as they aren't a complete douche or asshole about things.

As for the pairings, I don't see why interclan pairings wouldn't happen. Is it because the better person in the pairing may end up pissed off about who they get put into a slot with?

And if its random, how would we go about it? Would we have a number system, where a number is available twice, and whomever picks that number gets matched up? Or would it just be a blind draw? I guess my question is, how can we make the pairings random, if that were to happen.

Also, I think balanced teams would make any tournament more fun for everyone but Led, Z, Trak, and Kado, save a few others as well. Just my thought on that, nothing personal.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']I see it being doomed to failure, though wish you all the luck in the world to get it going and make it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]

Its only doomed because you're not in it. Come back to Xbox Live oh Old fucker.
 
If some people would rather do random teams, we could always do separate tournaments that take place at different times, and the people who weren't interested in the random don't have to join, and the people who don't want to do H2H don't have to join. I don't think tournaments should go down at the same time though. I think it'd get too confusing.
 
[quote name='Girion47']what if it was interclan pairings? I already know who from CAGtac would want me as a teammate. last time I played with him he had such nice things to say to me. and acted so mature. it's so cute that Kado's brother has a mancrush[/QUOTE]

Are you really paying that much mind to what a 13-year-old said to you over the internet?

[quote name='Girion47']I dont either. I was making a sarcastic reference to some of the bitterness and elitism that keeps certain people from playing together.[/QUOTE]

I'm not naive enough to think that there isn't some bitterness still between some people, but the elitism stuff ended long ago. Did it ever occur to you that some people just flat-out don't like someone, and that's why they'd rather not play with them? I'm sure there are people who don't like me, and hey, that doesn't bother me. I'm not gonna throw a hissy fit if they say something I don't like or don't want me in a room. It's their call.

It's little melodramatic under-the-breath insults like this Girion that prove Shrike right when he says this will never work.
 
Reading through these posts, I agree with Shrike. The tournament was just to be for fun, but people want to pick their best Halo buds. There is no fairness in putting the 4-best Halo players on the same team.

I was thinking of drawing numbers out of a hat and having 2v2 and 3v3. Random teammates, no hard feelings. Just mute the player if you don't want to hear them and unplug your mic.

Elaborate.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Who knows, maybe we should just race warthogs on Headlong and Terminal.[/QUOTE]

If thats the case, we should have a hog flipping contest. Everyone who rides with me know that we are bound to flip, and occassionally we don't make it through the flip in the hog.

FLIP CONTEST!!!!!!!!!1111111!!!!!!!!!!!!


But in all seriousness, I go back to 3rds for atleast a few weeks, so lets try and get some target dates for this atleast.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Who knows, maybe we should just race warthogs on Headlong and Terminal.[/QUOTE]

That Terminal session that I recorded a while back was a fuckin' blast. I wished that craven was there, so I could hear his demonic laughter...
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Reading through these posts, I agree with Shrike. The tournament was just to be for fun, but people want to pick their best Halo buds. There is no fairness in putting the 4-best Halo players on the same team.

I was thinking of drawing numbers out of a hat and having 2v2 and 3v3. Random teammates, no hard feelings. Just mute the player if you don't want to hear them and unplug your mic.

Elaborate.[/QUOTE]

That is no fun.
 
[quote name='Trakan']That is no fun.[/QUOTE]

Seriously. I'd rather do FFA or H2H if we can't pick the teams we want to be on.
 
[quote name='Ledhed']Seriously. I'd rather do FFA or H2H if we can't pick the teams we want to be on.[/QUOTE]

So what you and Trakan, and others are saying....is that you'd rather have an uneven playing field? or are you saying that you only want to play with said people and no one else?

Maybe its just me, but I think it would be more fun to go on the fly and get used to a different group, rather than play with the same guys all the time, nothing wrong with that. If we want fun, I think the best bet is to do random teams. If we can't agree on something, this, like shrike said, is most likely doomed from the very start. Lets prove him wrong.

I say a handful of people, atleast rabbitt and a few CAG guys and atleast Led and Trakan, get together and work on the logistics of this and get back to everyone once a decision has been made.

These are just my thoughts, nothing personal or meant to be personal. I just spoke my mind. Good luck with getting this thing up and running rabbitt. I am willing to help out if need be.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']So what you and Trakan, and others are saying....is that you'd rather have an uneven playing field? or are you saying that you only want to play with said people and no one else?[/QUOTE]

What I (and I believe Trak) are saying is that we should play with whomever we want to play with, provided we go ahead with the team idea. There is no argument to make of even or uneven playing fields. This is a tournament. Someone is going to win, and someone is going to lose. That's what a tournament is.

After nary a year logged in this game, I can say that, at least for myself, random teams is most certainly not fun. It isn't a matter of elitism or favoritism (it's pointless arguing that though, as everyone's eye is jaundiced to this issue and would rather use the "teams are stacked" excuse when it isn't in their own favor). It's simply knowing what to expect of another player. I know what to expect out of people like z or Trak, and they know what to expect out of me. Therein lies the fun for me: the cohesion I feel when playing with people I understand and trust.
 
[quote name='Ledhed']What I (and I believe Trak) are saying is that we should play with whomever we want to play with, provided we go ahead with the team idea. There is no argument to make of even or uneven playing fields. This is a tournament. Someone is going to win, and someone is going to lose. That's what a tournament is.[/quote]

I guess I am seeing that is childish, which I am sure is not what you had intended. But either way, we all need to stop shooting one another down, as each said makes valid points. I'll admit I have shot you and trak down, and thats not right.

I think a good compromise would be one set of predetermined teams and then a random set of teams. And everyone that wants to be involved should be involved in both. This would help both sides get what they want. Lets work on something with this.

[quote name='Ledhed']After nary a year logged in this game, I can say that, at least for myself, random teams is most certainly not fun. It isn't a matter of elitism or favoritism (it's pointless arguing that though, as everyone's eye is jaundiced to this issue and would rather use the "teams are stacked" excuse when it isn't in their own favor). It's simply knowing what to expect of another player. I know what to expect out of people like z or Trak, and they know what to expect out of me. Therein lies the fun for me: the cohesion I feel when playing with people I understand and trust.[/QUOTE]

Obviously the thoughts on random teams are matters of opininions, so to each his own. I see random teams as fun for the same reasons you see it as not fun. It presents a challange to you to work together as a cohesive unit in a short amount of time. And if the "teams" are posted in advance of the tournament, this would allow you to get some work in as a team and find out what each person does the best and work with it.

Its great knowing what to expect from others, but what happens if you have no one, save a few guys you've played with, and don't really know how they play. Are you just going to stop playing and go do something else, or are you going to give them a chance and try to work with them. The more people you play with and work with, the more you'll understand and be able to go into any game feeling confident in you team, no matter who is on it and whether or not you know their playing style well.

But in all fairness, I think rabbitt (and anyone willing to help him) should work this out and get back to us with what has been agreed upon.

Lets all just get along.
 
I guess what I am trying to say is, different stroke for different folks. Lets just get past the differences and have some tournaments. Hell why not do this:

H2H
2V2 (random and chosen)
3V3 (" ")
4V4? (" ")
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I guess I am seeing that is childish, which I am sure is not what you had intended. But either way, we all need to stop shooting one another down, as each said makes valid points. I'll admit I have shot you and trak down, and thats not right.

I think a good compromise would be one set of predetermined teams and then a random set of teams. And everyone that wants to be involved should be involved in both. This would help both sides get what they want. Lets work on something with this.[/QUOTE]

The only instance I see of shooting anyone down was when I got on Girion's case awhile ago, but whatever. I don't see how you've shot either myself or Trak down; you're just giving your opinion, just as Trak and I are, nothing more.

[quote name='craven_fiend']Obviously the thoughts on random teams are matters of opininions, so to each his own. I see random teams as fun for the same reasons you see it as not fun. It presents a challange to you to work together as a cohesive unit in a short amount of time. And if the "teams" are posted in advance of the tournament, this would allow you to get some work in as a team and find out what each person does the best and work with it.

Its great knowing what to expect from others, but what happens if you have no one, save a few guys you've played with, and don't really know how they play. Are you just going to stop playing and go do something else, or are you going to give them a chance and try to work with them. The more people you play with and work with, the more you'll understand and be able to go into any game feeling confident in you team, no matter who is on it and whether or not you know their playing style well.[/QUOTE]

As for whether I'd stop playing if I couldn't play with the people I'm referencing: yes, probably.

The challenge of trying to learn and adjust to everyone else is the primary reason I was for splitting the clans. I don't have the time or patience to get used to anyone else. The people I play with are the people who see eye-to-eye with me during a game. Without that feeling, I go "full-tilt" during a game and can't concentrate. I don't like it, and I won't adhere to it, in spite of the fact that it makes me look like a stubborn asshole.
 
Ahhh. I'll turn this into a poll. Everyone nominate a way to do this tournament, and I'll put it into the poll.

1 vote: random 2v2.
 
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