So Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are delayed until the fall?

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Only Metroid is still coming out this spring? What other good games are coming except Metroid and SSX? I'm probably just going to wait to get a Wii until this summer or fall and spend my money on all the PS2 and DS games I've missed.
 
Brawl can't be delayed anymore because they have not mensioned it since Nintendo went "It won't be for launch" which wasn't shocking.

Metriod will probably come out when the online is launched.
 
Mario Galaxy was never a launch game, mentioned at E3. The only thing Nintendo has said about Mario officially is that it'll be out after Metroid in 07.
 
I'd rather have them all get delayed till next year so that they can polish them up. Supermario rpg and super metroid where are you?
 
[quote name='hupp']I'd rather have them all get delayed till next year so that they can polish them up. Supermario rpg and super metroid where are you?[/quote]

They're still waiting for you in 1995.
 
[quote name='David85']Brawl can't be delayed anymore because they have not mensioned it since Nintendo went "It won't be for launch" which wasn't shocking.

Metriod will probably come out when the online is launched.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure no multiplayer at all right now. It is possible that they'll pull a Metroid Prime Hunters (DS) and delay it to put online in, but the portable title was multiplayer-centric from the start.
 
[quote name='furyk']Mario Galaxy was never a launch game, mentioned at E3. The only thing Nintendo has said about Mario officially is that it'll be out after Metroid in 07.[/QUOTE]


Well that's nice, but who the fuck said it was in the first place?
 
I don't care if they delay those because it will ensure good console sales for Xmas '07. I just don't want them to delay the other games: Metroid (lock, I think, for not being delayed), WarioWare (likewise, won't be delayed), Mario Party 8 (I think this one will come on time), Pokemon Battle Revolution (out in Japan, so we should get this). If these games all come out one every month for awhile, I think Wii sales will remain steady. Plus there is Sonic and numerous 3rd party stuff (some of which hopefully won't be too bad).

I hope Nintendo slips Super Paper Mario in for summer or very early fall. I have to believe the game is done since it was supposed to be a GC title for last Xmas. I don't think they would want to launch it too close to Galaxy, but I only worry that they are sitting on this in case Galaxy can't get finished on time for Xmas '07.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']

I hope Nintendo slips Super Paper Mario in for summer or very early fall. I have to believe the game is done since it was supposed to be a GC title for last Xmas. I don't think they would want to launch it too close to Galaxy, but I only worry that they are sitting on this in case Galaxy can't get finished on time for Xmas '07.[/QUOTE]


That does make sense. Oddly enough Super Mario Mario has been added at CC.com and the release date is this month for the GameCube! :lol:
 
I'd be surprised if we saw Brawl this year, honestly. Maybe very, very late in the year.

Some people still think that its going to be in summer, for some reason that I dont quite understand.
 
I don't care if they have to push Mario Galaxy back to 2009, as long as they get it down. I'm talking Super Mario 64 for the first time down. For me, there's nothing worse than a disappointing title from one of Nintendo's flagship properties (e.g., everything on GC). Face it, despite how "good" SMS, Wind Waker, and Star Fox Assault were, none of them were great. The next Mario title needs to be incredible.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']I don't care if they have to push Mario Galaxy back to 2009, as long as they get it down. I'm talking Super Mario 64 for the first time down. For me, there's nothing worse than a disappointing title from one of Nintendo's flagship properties (e.g., everything on GC). Face it, despite how "good" SMS, Wind Waker, and Star Fox Assault were, none of them were great. The next Mario title needs to be incredible.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Wind Waker is in my top 5 favorite games, and Super Mario Sunshine was a great (not amazing) game - it was all fine and dandy until that stupid blue coin BS, which drove me crazy.

But I will give you Star Fox Assault. It was merely above average.
 
No way they'd release Mario Galaxy and Brawl in the same season. I'm not expecting those games this year at all, actually.
 
[quote name='SilverPaw750']I disagree. Wind Waker is in my top 5 favorite games, and Super Mario Sunshine was a great (not amazing) game - it was all fine and dandy until that stupid blue coin BS, which drove me crazy.

But I will give you Star Fox Assault. It was merely above average.[/QUOTE]

I was speaking more in relative terms. Compared to the previous titles, all were disappointments.

EDIT: Ignore Majora's Mask, please. That was a gimmick (but an entertaining one, I'll admit).
 
[quote name='mrchainsaw']Well until those two games come out I have no reason to buy a Wii, I can't justify $300 for Zelda.[/QUOTE]
For me, I can justify SSBB for 300 dollars. I put so many hours into the SSBM, and Im planning on putting the same, if not more (assuming it has online that actually works) into SSBB.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']I was speaking more in relative terms. Compared to the previous titles, all were disappointments.

EDIT: Ignore Majora's Mask, please. That was a gimmick (but an entertaining one, I'll admit).[/quote]
For me, Sunshine was much better than SM 64, as I couldn't get into it, but Sunshine was more of an intriguing game. I never even touched a Zelda game until Wind Waker, which made me get a GC the fall after it came out when they had that stupid price drop to $100.

As for the OP, I don't believe either Galaxy or Smash Brothers were mentioned as Spring 07 titles. After Smash was pushed past the initial launch release date, it's been pretty much a fall 07 title since then. Super Mario Galaxy has been primarily the go-between title that separates the two games, so it's been primarily thought of as a summer 07 title. It wouldn't be surprising to see it delayed considering it's been in development for several years now.

As for what other games are coming out in the spring, there' s Godfather Blackhand Edition, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Cooking Mama, and there are other smaller titles that are of questionable quality at the moment.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't consider "Fall" for either of these to be a delay (and it is really only a 'delay' in terms of disappointed internet rumblings for Mario - SSBB I don't think was ever given even a tentative date). In my expectations, they would be "early" if they came out then :rofl:. I think ONE, probably Mario, will come this year (and I'd lean towards Nov). I think SSBB is definitely 2008 fodder. As someone above stated, it would be great for the console and 3rd parties if they could get Mario out in May/June. This would create big summer sales and hype for the Wii in an otherwise slow season. I think we can look to NSMB and what it did for the DS to see this as a no-brainer sure-fire release strategy. However, if the game isn't good enough by then, of course I'd prefer they wait.

The one that I worry about most is Metroid as that was more firmly promised for Spring. However, I think I've already seen rumors that it won't be out till Summer now. Obviously, we are safe on WarioWare (just a few days now) and most likely on Mario Party - can't see then delaying that at this point in time, but who knows.

EDIT:
FWIW, ebgames.com has Metroid Prime 3 listed as a June 1st release. They rarely ever put release dates as later than they actually come out, so I think we're looking at a delay on that one. If nothing else, the fact that it does not have a firm Spring release date from Nintendo when we are pretty close to Spring right now is not a good sign.

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=T000227
 
I'd be surprised if we saw Brawl this year, honestly.

So would I.

Some people still think that its going to be in summer, for some reason that I dont quite understand.

That's because they're:

--Delusional.
--Gullible.
--Children.
--In denial that Nintendo isn't going to accelerate their release pace from the last two generations.
--Eager to pounce on every 'exciting' title that has been announced as a 2007 release, just to make themselves feel better.
--Idiots.

(Check all that apply)

Be warned: they don't like facing the probabilities.

EDIT: No way they'd release Mario Galaxy and Brawl in the same season. I'm not expecting those games this year at all, actually.

No, even I am convinced Galaxy is launching stateside by this November. My guess is that Metroid gets pushed into the first half of Summer, and the new Mario game gets an October-ish release. They won't go the entire '07 holiday season without that one killer app. Hey, the kids can only swing the tennis racket with Granny and Soccer Mommy for so long (for any number of reasons, some more morbid than others).
 
NoE has Brawl on the list of 2007 releases, so at least someone in an official capacity thinks it will be out this year with the rest of those titles.
 
I didn't realized it wasn't Nintendo saying that SSBB and Mario would come out this spring. I'll be waiting until Metroid and Mario come out. This news (to me) helps me ease my mind when deciding what to do with my birthday and Christmas cash. Now I don't need to keep $250 to buy a Wii, I'll save back up during the summer.
 
[quote name='io']Y
EDIT:
FWIW, ebgames.com has Metroid Prime 3 listed as a June 1st release. They rarely ever put release dates as later than they actually come out, so I think we're looking at a delay on that one. If nothing else, the fact that it does not have a firm Spring release date from Nintendo when we are pretty close to Spring right now is not a good sign.

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=T000227[/quote]

I know..I'm splitting hairs on this one but....

Anything prior to June 21st IS spring, still.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I'd be surprised if we saw Brawl this year, honestly.

So would I.

Some people still think that its going to be in summer, for some reason that I dont quite understand.

That's because they're:

--Delusional.
--Gullible.
--Children.
--In denial that Nintendo isn't going to accelerate their release pace from the last two generations.
--Eager to pounce on every 'exciting' title that has been announced as a 2007 release, just to make themselves feel better.
--Idiots.

(Check all that apply)

Be warned: they don't like facing the probabilities.

EDIT: No way they'd release Mario Galaxy and Brawl in the same season. I'm not expecting those games this year at all, actually.

No, even I am convinced Galaxy is launching stateside by this November. My guess is that Metroid gets pushed into the first half of Summer, and the new Mario game gets an October-ish release. They won't go the entire '07 holiday season without that one killer app. Hey, the kids can only swing the tennis racket with Granny and Soccer Mommy for so long (for any number of reasons, some more morbid than others).[/quote]

You are basing your opinions off the EXACT same thing as people who believe it is coming out this year. Guesswork. So may I ask why you feel the need to call people idiots, when in actuality you have just as little a clue about when it is coming out as other people? Talk about being an idiot.
 
Mario, Metroid, and Brawl may be victims of Nintendo's success. With the Wii selling like hotcakes and people still not able to find them (and honestly you probably won't be able to casually walk into a store and buy one until sometime in February), Nintendo has no motivation to rush their AAA titles out. They don't need to entice customers to buy Wiis, because they already are. Had the Wii bombed at Christmas, you would have likely seen big titles like Metroid and Mario rushed out. As it is, they can delay Metroid until June, and they can push Mario or Brawl back to 2008. Sony, on the other hand, I would imagine we'll see them rushing a lot of software next Christmas.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']You are basing your opinions off the EXACT same thing as people who believe it is coming out this year. Guesswork. So may I ask why you feel the need to call people idiots, when in actuality you have just as little a clue about when it is coming out as other people? Talk about being an idiot.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, he is basing his information on whats know as historical information. Nintendo's paterns for releasing first and second party titles is very consistent. It is fair to assume that Nintendo wont release Galaxy and Brawl at the same time and its also fair to think that other than Metroid Prime 3 there isnt a larger first party title in the works for anytime early in 2007.
 
[quote name='foltzie']Unfortunately, he is basing his information on whats know as historical information. Nintendo's paterns for releasing first and second party titles is very consistent. It is fair to assume that Nintendo wont release Galaxy and Brawl at the same time and its also fair to think that other than Metroid Prime 3 there isnt a larger first party title in the works for anytime early in 2007.[/quote]

You can go by historical information, or you can go by release dates being thrown around. EITHER WAY, it is guess work. Calling someone an idiot, when in actuallity Jollydwarf has no clue when it will be released, is just stupid.
 
Can anyone explain WHY Brawl will take so long?
Is there a reason?

You have the levels, and you have the characters, how long does it take to tweak the fighting from all that they know from the previous two games.
Why can't I play the game I should have been able to play on my GC two years ago?


This is the first time I'm going to say this.
The Wii is the new GC.
It has become my secondary console just as Nintendo didn't want again for this generation.
The upcoming release schedule is so sparse and vague it's laughable.
 
[quote name='dallow']Can anyone explain WHY Brawl will take so long?
Is there a reason?

You have the levels, and you have the characters, how long does it take to tweak the fighting from all that they know from the previous two games.
Why can't I play the game I should have been able to play on my GC two years ago?


This is the first time I'm going to say this.
The Wii is the new GC.
It has become my secondary console just as Nintendo didn't want again for this generation.
The upcoming release schedule is so sparse and vague it's laughable.[/quote]
Actually, I'm thinking spacing those games out is exactly what's going to ensure this is NOT another GC.

Bear with me for a sec.

I don't think there is a whit of argument that the Wii can't compete with the 360 and PS3 in terms of hardware. I think it's a forgone conclusion, at this point, that among the "hardcore gamers", one of those two machines (the PS3 or the 360) is going to win the console "war".

Which means, amongst the hardcore, the Wii is always going to be 2nd fiddle, and I think Nintendo is smart enough to realize that, out of that gate. That's why they've marketed the console as being more accessible to an alternate demographic, and are trying, very hard, to pull them into gaming with the Wii.

Games like SMBG and SSBB and Metroid...those are NOT the games that are going to do that. Games like Wario Ware and Mario Party and the new Brain Age game, for Wii, are going to do that.

So Nintenod has to walk a careful balance...releasing games for the hardcore gamer AND the "casual alternate demo" gamer, too. And they have to space those out accordingly.

Because by broadening that appeal, they're going to try to assure themselves of a larger consumer base and win the "war" that way, and a lot more units sold (in their plan) than they would if they catered simply to the hardcore gamer. It might work, it might not. But it's an interesting strategy and you have to view almost every move Nintendo makes in that context.
 
I planed to get wii around Spring but now i'll wait till Fall for new version w/ DVD Player plus i endup get some cheap ass wii game ;)
 
[quote name='pilferk']Actually, I'm thinking spacing those games out is exactly what's going to ensure this is NOT another GC.

Bear with me for a sec.

I don't think there is a whit of argument that the Wii can't compete with the 360 and PS3 in terms of hardware. I think it's a forgone conclusion, at this point, that among the "hardcore gamers", one of those two machines (the PS3 or the 360) is going to win the console "war".

Which means, amongst the hardcore, the Wii is always going to be 2nd fiddle, and I think Nintendo is smart enough to realize that, out of that gate. That's why they've marketed the console as being more accessible to an alternate demographic, and are trying, very hard, to pull them into gaming with the Wii.

Games like SMBG and SSBB and Metroid...those are NOT the games that are going to do that. Games like Wario Ware and Mario Party and the new Brain Age game, for Wii, are going to do that.

So Nintenod has to walk a careful balance...releasing games for the hardcore gamer AND the "casual alternate demo" gamer, too. And they have to space those out accordingly.

Because by broadening that appeal, they're going to try to assure themselves of a larger consumer base and win the "war" that way, and a lot more units sold (in their plan) than they would if they catered simply to the hardcore gamer. It might work, it might not. But it's an interesting strategy and you have to view almost every move Nintendo makes in that context.[/quote]

Can't agree at all as that would be a piss poor strategy.
Nintendo said they didn't want the Wii to become second fiddle.


Sure it is.
Click to expand...

I don't like my Nintendo Wii, but I won't give up on it.
 
[quote name='dallow']Can't agree at all as that would be a piss poor strategy.
Nintendo said they didn't want the Wii to become second fiddle.

[/quote]

And with that strategy, the Wii wouldn't be.

It's just an alternate way to not be second fiddle...rather than cater exclusively to the existing market (hardcore gamers), you grow the market, with new demographics, to expand the existing market....

In the end, you end up "winning the war" because you've sold more units...even though you were "second fiddle" to the hardcore gamers.

And even second fiddle, considering you would be the "alternate console" to both segments (the PS3 owners, and the Xbox 360 owners) still puts you in a powerful position....one that results in being the market leader, or close to it. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that, if you own a PS3 or Xbox 360, when looking for a 2nd console, you're going to look at the Wii first. The PS3 and 360 share many of the same titles...with the Wii, you're getting a completely different gameplay mechanic that the other option can't match...not to mention the price difference.

I think it's a pretty creative strategy, and it's obvious (no matter how piss poor you think it is) that's what Nintendo is going for. They've said so, basically, and every piece of marketing proves it to be true.
 
[quote name='pilferk']And with that strategy, the Wii wouldn't be.

It's just an alternate way to not be second fiddle...rather than cater exclusively to the existing market (hardcore gamers), you grow the market, with new demographics, to expand the existing market....

In the end, you end up "winning the war" because you've sold more units...even though you were "second fiddle" to the hardcore gamers.

And even second fiddle, considering you would be the "alternate console" to both segments (the PS3 owners, and the Xbox 360 owners) still puts you in a powerful position....one that results in being the market leader, or close to it. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that, if you own a PS3 or Xbox 360, when looking for a 2nd console, you're going to look at the Wii first. The PS3 and 360 share many of the same titles...with the Wii, you're getting a completely different gameplay mechanic that the other option can't match...not to mention the price difference.

I think it's a pretty creative strategy, and it's obvious (no matter how piss poor you think it is) that's what Nintendo is going for. They've said so, basically, and every piece of marketing proves it to be true.[/quote]
I've little doubt the Wii will outsell both other systems, but it's mostly due to the price point, and not the controller, or games. Everyone I know that bought a Wii for themselves or for their kids, "It's a great price!" they all cry.

Second fiddle maybe isn't the right term.

In any case, I think throwing gamers a bone and releasing some real titles isn't going to hurt them. Of course it wouldn't. Gosh, it's like 4 titles we're talking about here. Releasing them in the span of a year isn't that much to ask for.

Maybe I'm just pissed that I'll probably have to wait 7 years to play the sequel to one of my most loved games.
 
Let me take back that "piss poor strategy" comment, I merely skimmed what he wrote.
It's good for business, and will sell units.

It's just silly that Nintendo can't work faster, and I know they can.
 
Die thread die. All above mentioned games will be released when Nintendo(of America) says that they are ready.

When we THINK they should/could come out is irrelevant.
 
[quote name='dallow']I've little doubt the Wii will outsell both other systems, but it's mostly due to the price point, and not the controller, or games. Everyone I know that bought a Wii for themselves or for their kids, "It's a great price!"

Second fiddle maybe isn't the right term.

In any case, I think throwing gamers a bone and releasing some real titles isn't going to hurt them. Of course it wouldn't. Gosh, it's like 4 titles we're talking about here. Releasing them in the span of a year isn't that much to ask for.

Maybe I'm just pissed that I'll probably have to wait 7 years to play the sequel to one of my most loved games.[/quote]

You're looking at things like a consumer. That's fine....nothing wrong with that.

Nintendo is looking at things like a business. That, too, is fine, and nothing's wrong with that.

But, as a consumer, sometimes you have to change perspective to understand why something is being done. You might think that releasing them all within the span of a year isn't too much to ask for. But those games are very valuable tools that Nintendo is going to view as "console sellers", to the hardcore gamers at the very least. Releasing them all "up front" is going to mean they can't ride the cyclical wave of demand that each franchise is going to release (they think). And that may damage their marketing and sales plans for the console, which is going to hurt their revenue stream, which...you get the picture. AND, to top all that off, they KNOW YOU (and I mean those like you, with pent up demand for a title) are going to complain and be frustrated....but will buy the title at release anyway. So, without the threat of losing anything, really, they can handle things in a very business perspective, focused, way.

Again, I understand the frustration behind some titles not coming out "soon". I'd love to have all 3 games, and a Kid Icarus game, in my hands tomorrow....as a CONSUMER. As a somewhat business savy individual, I recognize all the reasons that's not going to happen, though.
 
[quote name='hufferstl']Die thread die. All above mentioned games will be released when Nintendo(of America) says that they are ready.

When we THINK they should/could come out is irrelevant.[/quote]

Imagine that, on a forum, with the succinct purpose of conveying our opinions, our opinions are irrelevant.
 
[quote name='pilferk']You're looking at things like a consumer. That's fine....nothing wrong with that.

Nintendo is looking at things like a business. That, too, is fine, and nothing's wrong with that.

But, as a consumer, sometimes you have to change perspective to understand why something is being done. You might think that releasing them all within the span of a year isn't too much to ask for. But those games are very valuable tools that Nintendo is going to view as "console sellers", to the hardcore gamers at the very least. Releasing them all "up front" is going to mean they can't ride the cyclical wave of demand that each franchise is going to release (they think). And that may damage their marketing and sales plans for the console, which is going to hurt their revenue stream, which...you get the picture. AND, to top all that off, they KNOW YOU (and I mean those like you, with pent up demand for a title) are going to complain and be frustrated....but will buy the title at release anyway. So, without the threat of losing anything, really, they can handle things in a very business perspective, focused, way.

Again, I understand the frustration behind some titles not coming out "soon". I'd love to have all 3 games, and a Kid Icarus game, in my hands tomorrow....as a CONSUMER. As a somewhat business savy individual, I recognize all the reasons that's not going to happen, though.[/quote]
You can't tell me it wasn't foolish not to release another Smash Bros. in the GC's lifetime. Something that would have sold millions of copies.
What's the game plan behind that?
 
[quote name='dallow']Imagine that, on a forum, with the succinct purpose of conveying our opinions, our opinions are irrelevant.[/quote]

Relevant in the context of discussing this issue? Yes, very.

Relevant in Nintendo's decisionmaking process of when the games actually get released? Not so much.
 
[quote name='dallow']You can't tell me it was foolish not to release another Smash Bros. in the GC's lifetime. Something that have sold millions of copies.
What's the game plan behind that?[/quote]Much as you would love that, there are just as many people who would start to complain about the whoring out of the franchise in numerous iterations.
 
[quote name='pilferk']Relevant in the context of discussing this issue? Yes, very.

Relevant in Nintendo's decisionmaking process of when the games actually get released? Not so much.[/quote]

Oh I know Nintendo doesn't care. Believe me.
 
[quote name='botticus']Much as you would love that, there are just as many people who would start to complain about the whoring out of the franchise in numerous iterations.[/quote]
Who's going to complain about a new one?
If they had gone out and Capcom'ed it, then yeah, the luster would be lost.

One game inbetween Melee and Brawl would not have done that.

And besides, it's business. Nintendo wants to sell games.
 
Yes, anyone's opinion on when these games should/will be released is irrelevant as to when the game will actually be released. If the game isn't ready, it will not be released until it is. If NOA thinks they should hold a game for a certain season/quarter, they will.
 
[quote name='dallow']You can't tell me it was foolish not to release another Smash Bros. in the GC's lifetime. Something that have sold millions of copies.
What's the game plan behind that?[/quote]

Well, I don't know what the plan was, I can only speculate. I would guess it was something like this:

They realized that, for the number of units they'd sold of their console (the GC), by the time the dev team is ready to embark on further development, that it would be better to reseverve your title til later, when it can sell more consoles, and not just games. And the version on the GC continued to sell very well, so why supplant it and dilute the market when you can use the dev time for the game on a new platform? It's a matter of balancing resource usage to best benefit the company (and the new platform you're introducing and hoping to do better than your last).

Given the development time (looks like about 2 to 3 years) on the title, you'd have been looking at a GC version sometime in '04, possibly, maybe. By that point, the GC was pretty much a known commodity....as in, it was the 3rd place finisher in that gens console wars. And we KNOW the Wii was in active development at that point (mentioned at the '04 E3), and probably had been for at least some noteable amount of time.

In other words, you want to create pent up demand for the title, so that the consumer buys your new console....
 
[quote name='hufferstl']Yes, anyone's opinion on when these games should/will be released is irrelevant as to when the game will actually be released. If the game isn't ready, it will not be released until it is. If NOA thinks they should hold a game for a certain season/quarter, they will.[/quote]

Dude, shush. We're talking here.
 
[quote name='pilferk']Well, I don't know what the plan was, I can only speculate. I would guess it was something like this:

They realized that, for the number of units they'd sold of their console (the GC), by the time the dev team is ready to embark on further development, that it would be better to reseverve your title til later, when it can sell more consoles, and not just games. And the version on the GC continued to sell very well, so why supplant it and dilute the market when you can use the dev time for the game on a new platform? It's a matter of balancing resource usage to best benefit the company (and the new platform you're introducing and hoping to do better than your last).

Given the development time (looks like about 2 to 3 years) on the title, you'd have been looking at a GC version sometime in '04, possibly, maybe. By that point, the GC was pretty much a known commodity....as in, it was the 3rd place finisher in that gens console wars. And we KNOW the Wii was in active development at that point (mentioned at the '04 E3), and probably had been for at least some noteable amount of time.

In other words, you want to create pent up demand for the title, so that the consumer buys your new console....[/quote]
I knew you were going to say something like "the first one continued to sell well, why make another?"

Why make any sequels then to games that are extremely popular?
Same reason God of War 2 is on PS2 and not PS3.

It will sell.
 
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