So why does every one on here hate Sony.

[quote name='whoknows']Would have happened anyways. Lik-Sang was way expensive. Play-Asia FTW[/QUOTE]

I believe the issue is more that Sony bullied a small, relatively defenseless company for no reason other than to preserve it's inflated European MSRP for the PSP. If Play-asia was trying to sell Asian PSPs to Europe, Sony would shut them down too.

I believe in the free market, Sony does not, as such, I don't like Sony.
 
I think Sony has some semblance of a case. The power requirements between the two regions could cause devices to fail and they probably didn't want to deal with hundreds of pissed off people with asploding PSPs due to plugging it into the wrong outlet.

[quote name='Halo05']I believe the issue is more that Sony bullied a small, relatively defenseless company for no reason other than to preserve it's inflated European MSRP for the PSP. If Play-asia was trying to sell Asian PSPs to Europe, Sony would shut them down too.

I believe in the free market, Sony does not, as such, I don't like Sony.[/quote]
 
[quote name='guyver2077']to be fair i think i also may "dislike" nintendo about the same nowadays.... they have totally lost their minds and i cant stand how they dont wish to keep up with technology.. they have truly gone a different route

portable market though

psp > ds

the irony[/QUOTE]

The PSP is not even close to being better than the DS. But of course opinions are like assholes...you get the point.

I don't hate Sony I hate the stupid Sony fanboys who act like Sony walks on water.
 
Because this forum is filled with Wii60 nerds/geeks who have no lives and never get out much.

In all honesty, I don't know. I think Sony is the most important to video games. If there was never a PlayStation again, I'd quit gaming NOW (the only other consoles I liked as much as my PlayStation stuff was the SNES and Dreamcast, but Sega no longer makes consoles and Nintendo just isn't what they use to be. MS sucks at Japan and hardware, while I just don't like the direction Nintendo is going, since I want HD graphics and tons of media features).

PS1 is the greatest console I ever owned. The hardware was quality and never gave me problems. It started the best controller design that I found the most comfortable. It's also the console that got me into many more genres, instead of sticking to just platformers and such.

PS2 was initially disappointing, but after 7 months, it started to become pretty good. I love the PS2 because it has a really long life cycle, good quality hardware that doesn't break (my PS2 is old and has never frozen or given me any trouble).

PSP is definitely the best handheld I ever owned. The launch lineup was the best since the Dreamcast (maybe better). Has a pretty good selection of games that mix my favorite ports, remakes to games I love, brand new original games, along with sequels to games I love. Plus, makes an awesome MP3 player and gives me an internet browser on the go. The hardware is very quality, since I dropped my PSP once and still works great. Never had a single issue.

PS3 is definitely the ultimate PlayStation. I can finally ditch all my 16 PS1/PS2 memory cards and store everything on my HDD (and even transfer them to my PC). It plays all my favorite PS1/PS2 games upscaled, along with some good PS3 games (there's not many yet, but it's getting there). Also, it's not just a gaming machine, best DVD player I own, gives me a blu-ray player, internet browser is nice so I can stream anime off the net (I can lay down a relax instead of sitting at my PC starring at my monitor), best music player I have (IMO, my PS3 sound quality even beats my Sony Vaio PC. The hardware is definitely quality. I never expected to be impressed with the PS3 due to what I heard, but I absolutely love it and it's definitely my favorite device ever.

Lol, anyone here who has me as a PSN buddy, can say my message says "Loves his Sony stuff". :D

Sony makes quality hardware that doesn't break (I never had a single problem with ANY PlayStation). That's just part of the reason I love them.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']I've got better things/people/animals/rocks/tires/grass to spend time hating than a game company.[/quote]WHY ALL THE GRASS HATE?!!?!?

Stupid green blades. Think they're so cool.
 
[quote name='daroga']WHY ALL THE GRASS HATE?!!?!?

Stupid green blades. Think they're so cool.[/QUOTE]

And long or short. Depending if I remembered to mowed.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Thats just the breaks when you are in a distant 3rd place. Ask Nintendo.[/QUOTE]PS2 and PSP are killing 360. Plus, nothing will top PS2, so Sony is still a market leader.
[quote name='anomynous']I smell the Sony Defence Force coming[/QUOTE]
sdf.gif
:D
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']panasonic! The Mana Knight! Wind! Water! Heart![/QUOTE]Me, a Sony Defense Force Member??? How did you know???
[quote name='rodeojones903']QFT.[/QUOTE]QFT. I also feel PSP > DS.
 
Well I've learned one thing from this thread. Richbastard is certainly the "heart" of the Sony Defense Force.... or maybe he's the monkey.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']

Sony makes quality hardware that doesn't break (I never had a single problem with ANY PlayStation). That's just part of the reason I love them.[/quote]


lmao:rofl:
 
[quote name='guyver2077']lmao:rofl:[/QUOTE]Not a single PlayStation platform has broken or died on me (rarely frozen too). Most of Nintendo's hardware is quality too, except the NES (takes 50 tries getting games to work on mine).
[quote name='Halo05']I believe the issue is more that Sony bullied a small, relatively defenseless company for no reason other than to preserve it's inflated European MSRP for the PSP. If Play-asia was trying to sell Asian PSPs to Europe, Sony would shut them down too.

I believe in the free market, Sony does not, as such, I don't like Sony.[/QUOTE]No, I'll tell you why Lik-Sang was closed down.

In Europe, the voltage in outlets is 240Vrms @ 50Hz. In NA and Japan, the voltage is 120Vrms @ 60Hz. When designing electronics for different markets, a device has to be suited for that market, or it will blow up and cause a fire. Sony was only against them selling hardware to Europe because some people are stupid (won't use the correct converter) and their house will burn down (or cause some spark). Sony could face lawsuits because their electronics were in the country (which weren't even designed for the European market). Sony only did this to protect themselves and the consumers. Lik-Sang was stupid and knows NOTHING about electrical engineering (all they know is $$$$). They were warned many times, but would never stop, so they had to be closed. I basically know this because I'm an electrical engineer and took many physics classes. Actually, I had a Physics problem once with a hair dryer, and if that particular wattage was plugged into a European outlet, it would blow up. Sony knows electronics and knew that was an issue.

Also, that's not the only issue with Europe. In Europe, lead solder isn't allowed in many consumer electronics (some type of lead free solder has to be used). This rule was just passed last year. Basically, a PS3 console being designed for the Japanese/NA market which might use lead solder, if the European government found out about it being in their country, Sony could be in lots of trouble.

Basically, Lik-Sang deserved it for breaking Euro laws. Anyone who thinks Sony was just bullying Lik-Sang or doesn't believe any of this crap I'm saying is a fucking idiot.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Not a single PlayStation platform has broken or died on me (rarely frozen too). Most of Nintendo's hardware is quality too, except the NES (takes 50 tries getting games to work on mine).[/QUOTE]

Part of the appeal of the NES was taking thirty minutes to get the game to work and then playing it only for five.

I've been sort of lucky I guess. The only problems I've had with systems are mostly cosmetic. I was a crack victim with the DS Lite and I still needed to send in all of my systems for dead pixels. Having said that, I played my DS for about six months with the crack before sending it in.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Not a single PlayStation platform has broken or died on me (rarely frozen too). Most of Nintendo's hardware is quality too, except the NES (takes 50 tries getting games to work on mine).[/QUOTE]
did you consider that might be because the NES is 20+ years old?
 
[quote name='anomynous']did you consider that might be because the NES is 20+ years old?[/QUOTE]No, my NES has given me problems for several years, having to blow the cartridge several times. That's the whole reason I never got into NES much and rarely play it (I just get sick of it). Heck, even my Atari 2600 which was older, most every game worked the first time. My Turbo 16 Grafx is also very old, yet I don't have issues getting games to work.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']PS2 and PSP are killing 360.
[/quote] So Sony should cease manufacturing PS3s and rely on the PSP and PS2 to win the next gen war? Brilliant logic.
Plus, nothing will top PS2, so Sony is still a market leader.
Click to expand...
DS is well on track to surpass the PS2. And by your "combine all game systems" logic, the Gameboy is on the top, making Nintendo the market leader.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I believe the issue is more that Sony bullied a small, relatively defenseless company for no reason other than to preserve it's inflated European MSRP for the PSP. If Play-asia was trying to sell Asian PSPs to Europe, Sony would shut them down too.

I believe in the free market, Sony does not, as such, I don't like Sony.[/QUOTE]

Sony issued a cease and desist to all retailers, IIRC, who were importing PSP's into Europe.

Play-Asia said "Ok, we'll do it, no big deal". Lik-Sang did what they wanted to do and kept on doing it.

I remember it was made public that Sony asked Lik-Sang to stop and they didn't want to.

What is missing from The Mana Knight's diatribe is that Lik-Sang *did* win the court case against Sony, but the legal fees involved with fighting it were too much for them to bear so they shut down shop. That's the only reason Lik-Sang shut down. This is the first time I've ever heard of this electrical outlet stuff, what I read was that Sony didn't want Lik-Sang cutting into their European sales, since the European launch was far behind the other two - if everyone imported PSP's from elsewhere, it would make the European PSP launch not be that great and every one would write it off as a failure, even though many Europeans would have had PSP's, they just wouldn't have bought them from Sony in Europe.

I'm pretty sure no company is a fan of importing, which is why they have put region locks on consoles for years now. SNK's sales, for example, are drastically cut down by the people who import - they are releasing King of Fighters XI here, but every fighting game fan I know of already imported it, myself included, so sales won't be nearly as high as they should be.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']SNK's sales, for example, are drastically cut down by the people who import - they are releasing King of Fighters XI here, but every fighting game fan I know of already imported it, myself included, so sales won't be nearly as high as they should be.[/quote]
I didn't T.T
 
[quote name='Rozz']I felt that the PSX and PS2 had a better launch than the PS3.[/QUOTE]WTF, the PS2 launch was terrible. The only reason it may not have looked bad was getting a brand new EA Sports game which had next level graphics. Otherwise, it was just prettier PS1 games. Third party wise, I'd say the PS2 launch was better, but Sony published games, the PS3 launch was better (at least they had Resistance, which way better than Sony's only first party launch game of Fantavision).

I'm not saying PS3 had a much better launch, because it definitely doesn't compete with what the PSP and DC had.
 
It seems to be the trend to hate Sony nowadays. A lot of it is warranted, though. I'm not saying everyone shouldn't hate Sony, but both the media and the gaming community seem to be giving them a lot of unwarranted hate as well.

That whole '77% mark up for UK gamers' article comes to mind as some of the unwarranted hate.

There is nothing wrong with anyone who hates Sony for a valid reason, but I see some people who show a lot of irrational hate towards Sony, or, even worse, hates certain things that Sony does, yet will bend over backwards for Microsoft/Nintendo, even when they do something equally as bad.

[quote name='Rozz']I felt that the PSX and PS2 had a better launch than the PS3.[/QUOTE]

Disagree. The PS3 is doing much better, software-wise, when compared to the PS2/PS1.
 
[quote name='Rozz']I felt that the PSX and PS2 had a better launch than the PS3.[/QUOTE]

You're insane unless you're talking about the total package as I remember, deaths included, in which case you're 100% right. I'm just going to assume you're talking about software though. The only really stellar PSX launch game was Twisted Metal and arguably Ridge Racer (never really cared for it) and the only great PS2 launch title was SSX and maybe Tekken Tag Tournament. The PS3 had Resistance as arguably the best Sony launch title ever followed with good to great launch titles like Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, and Ridge Racer 7 (again, I don't care for Ridge Racer). If you want to extend it to launch window there's Gran Turismo HD too.
 
[quote name='dpatel']There is nothing wrong with anyone who hates Sony for a valid reason, but I see some people who show a lot of irrational hate towards Sony, or, even worse, hates certain things that Sony does, yet will bend over backwards for Microsoft/Nintendo, even when they do something equally as bad.[/QUOTE]Like with Peter Moore's idiotic comment "Ya know, things break". :lol:
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Is there something about your description that doesnt qualify as bullying?[/QUOTE]

I really don't know the legality of the whole thing, but I imagine Sony is fully able to, if they choose to, put a cease and desist on imports. Play-asia, from what I understand, was fully aware of what they could and could not do, yet they violated that, so, I see no bullying taking place.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Like with Peter Moore's idiotic comment "Ya know, things break". :lol:[/QUOTE]

There was quite a backlash from what statement, from what I remember. Although, I can't help but think it would've been a much larger backlash, had it been Sony. Then again, I mostly spend time on the PS3 boards, so I'm just speaking from what I have seen (which is obviously going to be skewed).
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Thats just called, standing up to the bully, except that they didnt show up for the court arbitration.[/QUOTE]

I would call Sony the bully if Sony was doing something that they weren't supposed to do. If you can tell me their cease and desist was out of their legal rights, then yea, they would be bullying. If not, I don't see why Sony would be the bully here for legally choosing where and how their own products can be sold.

And, if you're not able to show that, then your post sorta proves what I was saying. Sony does something they within their legal rights, yet they are considered a 'bully'. Someone, who has been warned of this, violates this, and is only 'standing up to the bully'.
 
I'm just waiting for a price drop+redesign and then I'm in for the PS3.

PS2, PS1 and SNES are my favorite systems overall (GBA and GC belong in there too I think).

DS and PS3 seem to be my favorites this generation (the Wii is really boring so far, that will change with Smash Bros.)

I personally dislike Microsoft... if it were not for them I could have Dead Rising or Eternal Sonata on the PS3 when I get it.
 
Way too many people have tried to seriously answer this question. I was pretty sure it was going to get a "Because you like them!" post right off the bat and get locked before page two. Shows what I know.
 
[quote name='trq']Way too many people have tried to seriously answer this question. I was pretty sure it was going to get a "Because you like them!" post right off the bat and get locked before page two. Shows what I know.[/QUOTE]


maybe the civility scared richbastard away.
 
I don't think everyone here hates Sony. It's just that they are to expensive for the average CAG. "600 bucks and no killer apps? I'll just stick to my whateverconsole".

The same goes for the PSP, there's been a lot of love for that system recently and why not? Great games and memory sticks are cheap and the system just reached a price point that makes it a nice buy.

But the PS3 is where the PSP was. A high price, lack of killer titles and the console doesn't live up to its potential as far as online and media capabilities are concerned.

If you ask any CAG if they want a PS3, only the idiots will say no. But there is not enough pro's to out way the con's right now.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']it is all about supporting american companies!!!!

how can you not support microsoft. simple as that.. route for the home team...[/QUOTE]

sarcasm? I hope so...
 
[quote name='guyver2077']it is all about supporting american companies!!!!

how can you not support microsoft. simple as that.. route for the home team...[/QUOTE]


U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A

remember...if you don't buy a 360, you are supporting the terrorists and the next 9/11 will be all your fault. :lol:
 
[quote name='dpatel']sarcasm? I hope so...[/quote]

definitely not...they stepped up to the foreign monsters that blinded us as children

:)
 
The only little guys buying a 360 is helping is mexicans putting them together dirt cheap across the border.

This dismissive, finger pointing attitude towards defending the PS3 will do no good. It's got a lot of real problems, with #1 being the price, and #2 being the lack of software.

Look at how quickly the gripes about 360's $400 price went away once the AAA software started hitting that first year. The complaints about PS3? Still going strong almost halfway through the year. Now, 360 had another problem to deal with in repairs as those other concerns went away.

I don't think Sony is ever going to recapture most of the PS2 audience with PS3. They're either sticking with their PS2s for the cheap and high quality software, or have gone on to Wii. And God knows Sony isn't doing anything to appeal to the droves of people buying Wiis every month.

Hey, at least sales didn't drop this month for PS3.. Before you say "Well all we had was surfs up and pirates" That's the problem, not an excuse. Boom, another month lost by PS3. Why doesn't the PS3 have a forza/CnC3 seller in April? Where are those games? Lack of planning results in bad sales as we're seeing now.
 
This thread is silly. I love Sony, I just can't afford $600 for a game console.

Hell, I'm too busy saving for their damn Bravia V series HD-LCD TVs to worry about PS3s right now.

And PS Sony, please don't make the panels with LED backlights more expensive than the current versions. :p
 
[quote name='guyver2077']definitely not...they stepped up to the foreign monsters that blinded us as children

:)[/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='jer7583']The only little guys buying a 360 is helping is mexicans putting them together dirt cheap across the border.

This dismissive, finger pointing attitude towards defending the PS3 will do no good. It's got a lot of real problems, with #1 being the price, and #2 being the lack of software.

Look at how quickly the gripes about 360's $400 price went away once the AAA software started hitting that first year. The complaints about PS3? Still going strong almost halfway through the year. Now, 360 had another problem to deal with in repairs as those other concerns went away.

I don't think Sony is ever going to recapture most of the PS2 audience with PS3. They're either sticking with their PS2s for the cheap and high quality software, or have gone on to Wii. And God knows Sony isn't doing anything to appeal to the droves of people buying Wiis every month.

Hey, at least sales didn't drop this month for PS3.. Before you say "Well all we had was surfs up and pirates" That's the problem, not an excuse. Boom, another month lost by PS3. Why doesn't the PS3 have a forza/CnC3 seller in April? Where are those games? Lack of planning results in bad sales as we're seeing now.[/QUOTE]


they can't just crap out killer apps to curb their lack of sales. the 360 had GRAW, Oblivion, and Dead Rising for the first 8 months of its first year. The PS3 is pretty much following the same pattern-- VF5, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden, and Lair are the AAA titles carrying its first 8 months of its first year. That's how it goes, the devs save everything for the Fall/Winter.

anyway, subjectively speaking, there's a lot more to play on the PS3 at this point in its life than the 360 last year at this time. between Oblivion and Dead Rising there was the worst port of an SF2 game ever and that's about it.
 
I do hope the PS3 in two years ends up being like the PSP is now. Super cheap software and lots of user mod applications that make the hardware worth it. I love the PSP, but I know it's mostly because I have two years of backlogged software to play for extremely low prices. The DS overall is a much better system, but the PSP is finally becoming worth it.
 
[quote name='Apossum']between Oblivion and Dead Rising there was the worst port of an SF2 game ever and that's about it.[/QUOTE]I agree. SF2 port sucked really bad.

I wasted 800 points on that crap, which makes me too weary of buying downloads these days. :(
 
[quote name='Apossum']they can't just crap out killer apps to curb their lack of sales. the 360 had GRAW, Oblivion, and Dead Rising for the first 8 months of its first year. The PS3 is pretty much following the same pattern-- VF5, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden, and Lair are the AAA titles carrying its first 8 months of its first year. That's how it goes, the devs save everything for the Fall/Winter.

anyway, subjectively speaking, there's a lot more to play on the PS3 at this point in its life than the 360 last year at this time. between Oblivion and Dead Rising there was the worst port of an SF2 game ever and that's about it.[/QUOTE]

I hate doing the list thing, but in it's first year, 360 had Geometry Wars, DOA4, Fight Night, Oblivion, GRAW, Saint's Row, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider, Gears, Rainbow Six, Not to mention a more rounded launch lineup. Of those, only Gears and R6 came out at the end of the year.

Not to mention if you're going to ask $600 to your competitor's $400, you better be offering even more than they have by that much. Unfortunately, that's not the case in software, and it won't be for a long time.

PS3 reminds me of the N64 in that first year. I'm sure they'll pull out of it, but not before the Wii gets a big leg up on both of them. Good thing the PS2 is still selling, and the PSP is waking up from being the hype machine.

What was the problem with SF2T? Lag issues were mostly resolved after the launch.. I played it a ton and didn't notice problems aside from the usual lag that happens when you plug netcode into a 15 year old arcade game that wasn't made for netplay.. You really don't lose any chance to say something negative against everyone but Sony, do you?
 
360 is cheaper, yea, but I'd rather spend an extra $100 for a system that isn't going to break 37 times for no reason.

The games are awesome, but when your system is at Microsoft for a month for the 3rd time in a year, that really doesn't do you any good.

People leave their PS3's on constantly to do the folding thing - most people are scared to leave their 360 on, period. I wager *no one* would ever leave a 360 on overnight to do folding, if it existed on 360.
 
Basically, next gen is overhyped/overpriced/broken. I can agree with that.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Basically, next gen is overhyped/overpriced/broken. I can agree with that.[/QUOTE]

Man, I don't know about that.

Honestly, I feel the 360 really delivered on next gen - it has some amazing games, and was an awesome experience. I just think Microsoft should have learned from the mistakes of the original Xbox and made the 360 rock solid. Instead, it seems the 360 is worse off than the Xbox in terms of defects.

I think that if Microsoft built a solid, stable system ala the PS 3, you'd see plenty more Microsoft advocates - the main question that comes up in every "Should I buy a 360" is always "Hey guys, should I get the extended warranty, which store has the best one, is the system reliable now?".

I got rid of my 360 after the second one was on the outs, and I do miss next gen, because there are games, mostly action games, I can't get on the PC. I'd love to have a 360 again, but we'll see - if they can rollout the 65nm chips, I will get one ASAP. If they decide not to, then I think I'll go with a PS 3 on this one. It's more expensive, yes, but the peace of mind for me is worth another $100 (because if I rebuy, I might as well rebuy an Elite).

To tie it to the OP, people hate on Sony, but you have to hand it to them that the PS3 is a very solid system, much improved over the high failure rate PS2.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']360 is cheaper, yea, but I'd rather spend an extra $100 for a system that isn't going to break 37 times for no reason.

The games are awesome, but when your system is at Microsoft for a month for the 3rd time in a year, that really doesn't do you any good.

People leave their PS3's on constantly to do the folding thing - most people are scared to leave their 360 on, period. I wager *no one* would ever leave a 360 on overnight to do folding, if it existed on 360.[/QUOTE]I know someone who left their PS3 on for six weeks folding.

Also, I remember hearing a story at GAF that one guy had his PS3 and 360 inside a cabinet. His kids were playing, pressed the PS button on the PS3, and the console turned on. The PS3 fan got really loud because it was really heating up. Once he found out about it, he turned the PS3 off. He decided to try out his 360, and it gave him 3 red lights. He tried out his PS3, and it still worked. That's kind of crazy, but the PS3 is definitely built good (which is why I didn't mind paying $500 for mine).
[quote name='jer7583']Basically, next gen is overhyped/overpriced/broken. I can agree with that.[/QUOTE]I disagree, since I love both my PS3 and 360 (play them both 75% of the time). My only complaint with the two is lacking the platformers, music/dance, and JRPGs I love currently, but that will be solved after a while.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I know someone who left their PS3 on for six weeks folding.

Also, I remember hearing a story at GAF that one guy had his PS3 and 360 inside a cabinet. His kids were playing, pressed the PS button on the PS3, and the console turned on. The PS3 fan got really loud because it was really heating up. Once he found out about it, he turned the PS3 off. He decided to try out his 360, and it gave him 3 red lights. He tried out his PS3, and it still worked. That's kind of crazy, but the PS3 is definitely built good (which is why I didn't mind paying $500 for mine).
I disagree, since I love both my PS3 and 360 (play them both 75% of the time). My only complaint with the two is lacking the platformers, music/dance, and JRPGs I love currently, but that will be solved after a while.[/QUOTE]

It was John Davison from 1up that happened to. I haven't touched my 360 in about a month since I don't have broadband. I've got good single player games to play, but It just feels empty without the online..
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
bread's done
Back
Top