Socialist Mecca, China, Admits Selling Organs of Executed Prisoners for Transplant

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In addition to charging the family of the executed prisoners for the bullets used to murder their relatives the lovely socialist Utopia of China sells the organs of executed prisoners for transplant. Who says government run societies don't know best.

Silly Chinese, don't they know that socialism would just work if the "right" people were put in charge of it? You know, like if the Democratic party and its leaders could run everything?

The Times December 03, 2005

China to 'tidy up' trade in executed prisoners' organs
From Jane Macartney in Beijing

CHINA broke its silence yesterday to admit for the first time that the organs of executed prisoners were sold to foreigners for transplant.
For many years it has denied that such a trade existed. But Huang Jiefu, the Deputy Health Minister, acknowledged that the practice is widespread and promised to tighten the rules.

“We want to push for regulations on organ transplants to standardise the management of the supply of organs from executed prisoners and tidy up the medical market,” Mr Huang told Caijing magazine.

Mr Huang said that regulations drafted in August and now being amended before being handed to the State Council for final approval aim to end the commercialisation of organ transplants in China.

The only existing regulation covering the removal of organs from the bodies of executed prisoners is a 1984 draft document that stipulates that such operations can take place only with the consent of the family or if the body goes unclaimed.

Mr Huang added that the regulations would help to improve China’s image over organ transplants and give condemned prisoners greater control over whether to donate their organs. They will also make it more difficult to buy organs removed after execution.

The supply of organs in China is severely restricted because of religious traditions that require the body to be whole when it enters the afterlife. Yet the country has carried out more organ transplants than any other except the US. Since 1993 China has performed 60,000 kidney transplants, 6,000 liver transplants and 250 heart transplants.

One reason is that transplants are big business. A liver costs nearly £18,000 for Chinese patients, or about £24,000 for foreigners. A kidney costs £3,500 for Chinese. Foreigners typically pay a premium, although the price is about 30 per cent lower than in many countries.

An Israeli newspaper recently reported that dozens of people were flocking to China each month for cheap transplants. “If I had never had my kidney transplant in China, I would already be dead,” Abraham Sassoon, from Eilat, told Maariv newspaper. “A Chinese sentenced to death saved my life.”

The one-year survival rate for a liver transplant in China is about 50 per cent, compared with 81 per cent in the US.

Almost all organs harvested from dead bodies came from those of executed prisoners, Caijing magazine said. That has prompted human rights organisations to question the way in which organs are obtained and supplied to patients requiring transplants. In the past doctors have recounted how they have travelled to execution grounds in specially equipped ambulances with a team of nurses to harvest the organs with as little delay as possible.

Executions in China have long been carried out with a single bullet to the head or the heart. That practice changed in the late 1990s when the use of lethal injection was introduced to make the organs usable.

No official figures are available for the number of executions in China each year and legal experts say that this is partly because the authorities have never compiled a total. However, Amnesty International says that more people are executed in China than in the rest of the world combined, and estimates the total at
[about 3,400 each year — and possibly as many as 6,000.

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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']In addition to charging the family of the executed prisoners for the bullets used to murder their relatives... [/QUOTE]

Gee, and I thought this would appeal to your "Texas Justice" sensibilities.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']In addition to charging the family of the executed prisoners for the bullets used to murder their relatives the lovely socialist Utopia of China sells the organs of executed prisoners for transplant. [/QUOTE]

I would have thought passing the cost of the execution on to the family would be less socialist.

Also, this all reminds me of bad meat.
 
This is an interesting ethical problem. The person is going to be executed anyway, so you could save innocent lives with their death. On the other hand, I'm sure the majority are without the peoples or families consent. Then again, if you already go to the point of killing them (obviously against their will), then what harm does it do to take their organs?

Though they should send the organs to chinese patients, not to try to make a profit from it.

I'm ok with the concept (minus the profit aspect), since there are limited amount of organs out there. But, unless the prisoner has chosen to state they don't want to have their organs removed, the benefit of taking them outweighs the downside.
 
Unrelated...kinda, but we have a Chinese student at my University who is moving here. He says that he's seen an execution, which is usually used in severe circumstances, that lasts over three days and involves cutting the prisoner's body a thousand times starting with the thicker muscles and working their way toward the genitals and organs. Again, nothing to do with anything, but I saw "China" and "execution" on the forum list page and thought this might be what the topic was about.
 
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, the American scoreboards lit up at 1,000 executed since Georgia v. Gregg. That's 1,000 persons who were executed and their organs unused.

Yeah, socialism is just so clearly bad, and capitalism so clearly good. That's the ticket.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
“We want to push for regulations on organ transplants to standardise the management of the supply of organs from executed prisoners and tidy up the medical market,” Mr Huang told Caijing magazine.

Mr Huang added that the regulations would help to improve China’s image over organ transplants and give condemned prisoners greater control over whether to donate their organs. They will also make it more difficult to buy organs removed after execution.
[/QUOTE]

Standardize the management of organs? Tidy up the market? ...improve their image?!? Who the hell are they KIDDING? Some excerpts from a New York Times article in 10/18/01:

"Executed convicts are basically the only source for transplants," Mr. Huang said, explaining how hospitals and government detention centers work with courts to coordinate the killing with life-saving operations so that organs are transplanted fresh from the condemned. The practice is so common and demand for organs so pressing that few checks exist to ensure that the executed are even dead before their organs are removed. One Chinese doctor claims to have witnessed the removal of a prisoner's kidneys while the man was still breathing.

Many of those who die and become unwitting donors may be innocent, human rights groups say, because they are convicted after hurried trials based on confessions extracted under torture. Families are rarely told that their loved ones' organs may be removed, and prisoners are not asked for their consent, Mr. Huang says. Voluntary donations are rare in China, because of a lack of public education about organ donations as well as traditional beliefs that say the body must be kept whole after death.

"Definitely, there is no family willing to have their loved ones' organs taken," Mr. Huang said. "And there is no such thing as a prisoner who volunteers."

The prison official, Mr. Huang, says that families of the condemned are often asked in advance whether they want to claim their family member's body after the execution, but that many decline because they are told that they would have to pay large fees.

That makes the harvesting legal under central government rules that allow organs to be taken from executed prisoners whose bodies are not claimed.

Military and paramilitary hospitals dominate the harvesting and transplanting, because they have close ties to the prosecutors and court officials who supervise executions. The hospitals obtain the organs almost free, usually by paying court officials a nominal sum, and charge thousands of dollars per transplant.

Wang Guoqi, a former Chinese paramilitary doctor who gave his account to American Congressional investigators in June, said he had twice attended executions at which kidneys were cut out before the condemned donor stopped breathing.

On at least one occasion Mr. Wang went to death row before an execution to give a condemned donor an injection of the anticoagulant heparin, which is necessary to procure transplantable organs. The prisoner was told it was a tranquilizer. Timing was everything, Mr. Wang said, because the quality of kidneys, in particular, degrades quickly after the heart stops beating.

In August 1990, Mr. Wang said, he watched as a court bailiff and a prison guard "half carried, half pulled," a condemned man shackled in handcuffs and leg irons from the bed of a truck toward his execution site on a hillock surrounded by barbed wire outside of Tianjin. Another bailiff raised a semiautomatic pistol to the back of the prisoner's head and pulled the trigger.

Mr. Wang and a colleague rushed the body on a stretcher to a waiting ambulance, where, as the doctors began cutting into the abdomen, he heard one of them say, "Look, the heart's still jumping, and the guy's still breathing."
 
Which is why it boggles my mind that we have open trade with China but embargoes on Cuba when China was always a major human rights abuser. And every president for the last umpteen decades has supported this policy.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Another thread from Michael Savage.com

Parrot After Dark Strikes again![/QUOTE]


I've called that on him before but he claims he doesn't know who Michael Savage is.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Which is why it boggles my mind that we have open trade with China but embargoes on Cuba when China was always a major human rights abuser. And every president for the last umpteen decades has supported this policy.[/QUOTE]


You forgot Saudi Arabia but the content of your message is very correct. For some reason China is seen as the "OK" communism where almost every other communist country in the world is always villefied. Cuba is like the old man that's been sitting in prison for 30-40 years, sure he did some shit a while ago but who the hell is he gonna harm anymore?
 
[quote name='beguile']Plus all the viet congs.[/QUOTE]

Please do. Maybe we can save our country and put in a good government.
 
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