Sony controller rips off Nintendo

I can say I was bored to tears during the Sony conference, and my favorite systems for the past 2 generations have been PS1 and PS2.

I think Nintendo is set to do something great to the industry this fall.

The Wii controller just seems like something that they put a lot of effort and design into, whereas the PS3 controller looks like it was a mock up made last week.

I think they could have done a much better job with PS3 by making a wireless non-tilting controller, with a console around the power of the 360, with a small HD and a very easy development kit, giving it the ability to play PS1-PS3 games would have sold it for a lot of people.
 
[quote name='I AM WILLIAM H. MACY']Sony's scam artists bitches deserve to fail.

Viva la next-gen! Out with the Sony, in with Nintendo and Microsoft!

But who should replace Sony? I vote Sega, their systems rules.[/QUOTE]

That might create some kind of paradox or something because Sony is the new Sega.
 
ZOMG Nintendo ripped off Microsoft
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[quote name='62t']ZOMG Nintendo ripped off Microsoft
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It isn't quite as obvious as Sony's knock off of the home button though...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']God I love how people will never admit that its possible that Nintendo "borrowed" an idea from another company.[/QUOTE]
That's not the point. When technology is adapted in further iterations that fit your needs, that's how things work and progress is made (analog stick, trigger buttons, etc).

When you release a controller, everyone hates it, and a competitor releases a totally different kind of controller, then 6 months later your controller is basically the same as it used to be, with similar technology to that of your competitor thrown on with no other goal than to just have it there, that's just pathetic.

If Sony had gyroscopic technology in the PS4, and actually PLANNED TO USE IT, this wouldn't really be a discussion.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']God I love how people will never admit that its possible that Nintendo "borrowed" an idea from another company.[/QUOTE]

Man. That's like saying modern airplanes rip off the Wright brothers.

I love how people like to bash Nintendo under false pretenses and act like they have a damn point to begin with.

I mean, those fuckers use plastic too. Holy shit, they are ripping all KINDS of people off.
 
[quote name='botticus']That's not the point. When technology is adapted in further iterations that fit your needs, that's how things work and progress is made (analog stick, trigger buttons, etc).

When you release a controller, everyone hates it, and a competitor releases a totally different kind of controller, then 6 months later your controller is basically the same as it used to be, with similar technology to that of your competitor thrown on with no other goal than to just have it there, that's just pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Actually I agree that Sony ripped off Nintendo BUT on the same hand Sony and Nintendo suddenly got the bright idea to add a home button to the controller after the 360 used the guide button so brilliantly. Both posts after mine commenting on that picture seem to refute that fact though because Nintendo never copies anyone else, they invent everything afterall.

[quote name='Strell']Man. That's like saying modern airplanes rip off the Wright brothers.

I love how people like to bash Nintendo under false pretenses and act like they have a damn point to begin with.

I mean, those fuckers use plastic too. Holy shit, they are ripping all KINDS of people off.[/QUOTE]

My god, did I EVER bash Nintendo?!?! See this is why you Nintendo fanboys get a bad wrap, because you always jump on anyone's criticism about Nintendo and turn it into the fact that they're bashing Nintendo.
 
buttons are universal enough that you really cant STEAL them. Now going to a menu by pushing a button. Thats also everywhere, including on actual TV remote controls.

I'm not really familiar with Microsofts implementation of a button going to menu's thats so well done.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']
My god, did I EVER bash Nintendo?!?! See this is why you Nintendo fanboys get a bad wrap, because you always jump on anyone's criticism about Nintendo and turn it into the fact that they're bashing Nintendo.[/QUOTE]
I blame battered-wife syndrome... it's been going on for years. :whistle2:(
 
What's even the point of saying something like that to begin with then? "Well XX used YY back in the day. When shit was real."

What would even be the point of saying it? It IS a criticism.

And besides, we're not calling it an invention. We're calling it making it useful and placing it in a context that works. That's the fucking difference. Power Glove didn't work. Wiimote does.

Nintendo is the only fucking company that can do something different AND get rained on for it. Everyone else is just content to give us vanilla ice cream and tell us "well this year we added MORE sugar."
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']buttons are universal enough that you really cant STEAL them. Now going to a menu by pushing a button. Thats also everywhere, including on actual TV remote controls.

I'm not really familiar with Microsofts implementation of a button going to menu's thats so well done.[/QUOTE]

Ok, going to a menu by pressing a button is everywhere BUT tell me which gaming company had it before Microsoft?

[quote name='Strell']What's even the point of saying something like that to begin with then? "Well XX used YY back in the day. When shit was real."

What would even be the point of saying it? It IS a criticism.

And besides, we're not calling it an invention. We're calling it making it useful and placing it in a context that works. That's the fucking difference. Power Glove didn't work. Wiimote does.

Nintendo is the only fucking company that can do something different AND get rained on for it. Everyone else is just content to give us vanilla ice cream and tell us "well this year we added MORE sugar."[/QUOTE]

Criticism is NOT the same thing as bashing.
 
[quote name='Strell']
And besides, we're not calling it an invention. We're calling it making it useful and placing it in a context that works. That's the fucking difference. Power Glove didn't work. Wiimote does. [/QUOTE]

Um... none of us have even used the Wiimote, so saying it works is kind of a large stretch. Sure, it looks great in the presentations, but I'm not going to say it "works" until the day I'm holding one in my hand trying it out for myself. For all we know, the Wiimote could be the world's biggest gimmick and fail miserably... doubtful, but its a possibility.

Even Power Glove probably seemed cool in Nintendo's early conferences. Hell, it looked to reinvent Punch Out... kind of.
 
Power Glove can't compare to Wiimote for several reasons. First, it's not integral to the experience. Second, Nintendo didn't make it. Third, no developers are frothing at the mouth at the Power Glove, and none of them ever did.

Ok I had fun with that terrible comparison.

Critcism is still casting something in a bad light. I'd sure hate to believe that forum boys know more about the Wiimote than everyone who has actually used it, but thankfully logic has no place on the Interweb, thereby affirming this idea.

And yea, I realize I can't say anything until I've used it myself. But I'm willing to hedge a bet when it's been almost universally applauded. I realize that is a hard, difficult, and complex concept for some people to understand, who are much more content to simply say "wtf that's not innovative tv remotes NFTW."
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Um... none of us have even used the Wiimote, so saying it works is kind of a large stretch. Sure, it looks great in the presentations, but I'm not going to say it "works" until the day I'm holding one in my hand trying it out for myself.[/quote]

Not absolutely everything requires personal verification. And really, its not even practical to get personal verification for everything, I'm not saying you're wrong for doubting though.

There are certain people in the development community whose opinion I hold in high regard. If Hideo Kojima or Suda 51 for example, tell me how magical it is, then pending my own verification, I choose to believe them.
 
Many games, especially RPGs, have menus. Buttons, when pushed, will go to these menus. Clearly, if there is a particular menu outside of any games that needs to be accessible all the time, then a button needs to be set aside for this. Thats why TV remotes have menu buttons. I see where you are coming from with all this, but I think its too much of a stretch.
 
The classic controller configuration (which looks pretty solid, imo) certainly could be used for those traditional games that benefit from more buttons.
But keep in mind the paucity of the buttons for handhelds games and they can handle most tasks put upon them by good developers.
 
Here's the deal:

For the better part of a year, Nintendo fans have been putting up with an insane amount of asinine bullshit from the general gaming community.
"OMG, it's a tv remotes lol!"
"ha ha powerglove thing. no one wants thbat, motion is too hard and tireing rofl"
"No HD, what the fuk is that! Ghey!"
"ha ha lols it's like only 2 times gamecube! ^_^"
It's like you can't even talk about Nintendo without people trying to (ironically) label you a "FANBOY" (which is a shitty term that has lost all meaning, by the way). I mean, it's bad enough that the DS is getting more acclaim than the PSP, right? Seriously, people can't stand the thought of that, so they take it out on something that is still conceptual.
Suddenly, E3 rolls around and Sony whips out its massive conference. They have to have something awesome up their sleeve to combat stupid little Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo is "ghey and lame and for kidz," right? They keep rehashig the same franchises over and over again, right? Well, Sony is able to change all that. They lower the lights and whip out their first game which is...GRAN TURISMO; the same game they showed when the Ps2 was young (honk!). Well, what next? FFXIII! That's a far step from all of Nintendo's rehashing, init? I mean, it's not a traditional Final Fantasy like X or something, it's got guns and action...like, well Final Fantasy Derge of Cerberus. Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Virtual fighter 5, MGS4 (which was their "Ace in the hole" the last time they showed the Ps3), the new Getaway; but at least it's not Kiddy mario or something! Then at the end of the conference, Sony is totally about to destroy the old Nintendo convention with something new. It's a card up the sleeve, something to distinguish it from all the other consoles. What could it be? What new thing could they add to distinguish the Ps3? Motion sensing. The 4D phenomena was the "kiddy lamez lol" idea that Nintendo was using all along, only much, much, much shittier.
Now Nintendo has the big dick at E3, and is getting good press. Everyone who mocked the Wii is trying to save face by pulling out bullshit reasoning anywhere they can, or giving backhanded compliments so they can pretend to be this cool, level-headed dude. You can scream "POWERGLOVE" all you want, but it just doesn't work that way. If anything, Sony's 4D is the new POWERGLOVE with its half-assed controller based tilt detection.

Grammar is for the weak.
 
Reality's Fringe;1883002]Here's the deal: For the better part of a year said:
last[/i] time they showed the Ps3), the new Getaway; but at least it's not Kiddy mario or something! Then at the end of the conference, Sony is totally about to destroy the old Nintendo convention with something new. It's a card up the sleeve, something to distinguish it from all the other consoles. What could it be? What new thing could they add to distinguish the Ps3? Motion sensing. The 4D phenomena was the "kiddy lamez lol" idea that Nintendo was using all along, only much, much, much shittier.
Now Nintendo has the big dick at E3, and is getting good press. Everyone who mocked the Wii is trying to save face by pulling out bullshit reasoning anywhere they can, or giving backhanded compliments so they can pretend to be this cool, level-headed dude. You can scream "POWERGLOVE" all you want, but it just doesn't work that way. If anything, Sony's 4D is the new POWERGLOVE with its half-assed controller based tilt detection.

Grammar is for the weak.

Where's the crybaby picture when you need it?

I mean come on, aren't you being a bit melodramatic about this? With the epic retelling of it you'd think you were talking about a struggle for civil rights or women's sufrage. Calm down already.

"We shall over come"
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Ok, going to a menu by pressing a button is everywhere BUT tell me which gaming company had it before Microsoft?



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Actually PSP have the home button before x360.
 
[quote name='62t']Actually PSP have the home button before x360.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't do the same thing. All the PSP button does is give you an option to end the game and return to the main menu. The 360 menu button gives you options inside the game without ending your session.
 
Reality's Fringe;1883002]Here's the deal: For the better part of a year said:
last[/i] time they showed the Ps3), the new Getaway; but at least it's not Kiddy mario or something! Then at the end of the conference, Sony is totally about to destroy the old Nintendo convention with something new. It's a card up the sleeve, something to distinguish it from all the other consoles. What could it be? What new thing could they add to distinguish the Ps3? Motion sensing. The 4D phenomena was the "kiddy lamez lol" idea that Nintendo was using all along, only much, much, much shittier.
Now Nintendo has the big dick at E3, and is getting good press. Everyone who mocked the Wii is trying to save face by pulling out bullshit reasoning anywhere they can, or giving backhanded compliments so they can pretend to be this cool, level-headed dude. You can scream "POWERGLOVE" all you want, but it just doesn't work that way. If anything, Sony's 4D is the new POWERGLOVE with its half-assed controller based tilt detection.

Grammar is for the weak.


I feel what you're saying. I think that Sony has really found themselves in an ugly position amongst gamers. As Desi Arnaz would say, they have a lot of 'splainin to do to try and convince gamers why their premium system is worth almost $700 (after taxes).
 
besides, it's not like the powerglove, it's more like the U-force :lol:
 
[quote name='TimPV3']I laughed my ass off at news of internal sensors. They actually one-upped Nintendo since they're internal and not external, man are those Nintendo fanboys going to be pissed.[/QUOTE]

The nunchaku part of the Nintendo controller does everything that the Sony controller does. The wii-mote does things that the sony controller can not hope to. So, it looks like Nintendo wins.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']random idea. instead of the triggers on the nunchuck, there shouldve been a SCROLL WHEEL.

that would be neat.[/quote]

Or better yet, a trackball on the end of it. :D
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Where's the crybaby picture when you need it?

I mean come on, aren't you being a bit melodramatic about this? With the epic retelling of it you'd think you were talking about a struggle for civil rights or women's sufrage. Calm down already.

"We shall over come"[/QUOTE]

Melodrama? No, I could've made it way more melodramatic. It's nothing epic, I'm not pounding my keyboard with a red face and eyes full of tears (but man, that would be sweet), it's just reality. People are excited about Nintendo again, and certain people (for whatever reason) can't take it. Do I delight in it? A little, in the same way I'd delight in my favorite team winning the playoffs after everyone said they suck. It's just that you read all this crap that's full of a bunch of backhanded compliments from people who think they're tricking everyone by trying to pull out this "well,actually, Sony didn't copy anybody it's *insert random product that has nothing to do with the current situation*." It's ok if you don't like Nintendo, just don't pretend that you just "think they can do a little better, I mean, it's good, but come on." That doesn't fly because it doesn't address what you think is wrong. Saying something general like "Well, it just didn't blow me away" means nothing because of the massive amount of things that could do that. If Mario jumping out of the Wii and making scat porn with your neighbor is what it takes to "blow you away"; yeah, Nintendo's showing wouldn't do much
 
Red vs Blue has a point. But didn't the free hand remote already have a home button? They still could have taken the idea in the time between E3 05 and TGS 05, since it seems easy enough to implement. The home button is such a small thing that I'm not sure if it is really stealing or if it is just standardizing.
 
Despite the fact that I came in late for this discussion, I'd like to be friendly and remind the Wii opposition about what they are up against:

Your mission, above and beyond all, is to change the minds of these insolent fools. Your mission is to tell them THE TRUTH. The truth, in this case, is that Nintendo games are not only not fun, but actually anti-American.

Mario, for example, condones monarchy, and uses a memeber of the proletariat to save a memeber of the Royal Family. If that isn't good enough for you, the game also envelops the idea of EVOLUTION, personified by the presence of Dinosaurs, which as you all know are not in the Bible.

Nintendo fans seem to rejoice in the fact that they are excited about a new system that they are interested in obtaining and enjoying. DO NOT LET THEM DO THAT. If you are an American, it is not only your right, but also your mission, to manifest your masculine supremacy. Do not forget: America is at war, and Nintendo is anti-American. If Nintendo will somehow have good sales, the war in Iraq will be lost, and these liberals (like Maddox) will prance with glee at the sight of another cartoony and childish (which means not fun and not good) Zelda game.

Shame on you, Nintendo crowd. Shame.
 
All I wanted to see was FFXII, Xenosaga E3, and the new DDR games..has anyone even cared? No. I think I just might get a 360 and spend my days playing Phantasy Star Universe, Dead or Alive, and Dance Dance HD.

Seriously though, if you guys really believe Nintendo won't turn this into a gimmick, you're -kidding- yourselves. Nintendo's had the chance to make great things out of every possible add on to a console or gaming system...need I go on

NES
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Power Glove
R.O.B.
Action Pad

SNES
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Mouse and Pad
Super Scope
Satellaview

N64
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Nintendo 64 Microphone
Nintendo 64DD
Transfer Pack 64

Virtual Boy was its own system...and it failed.

Gamecube hasn't seen as many gimmick accesories, though the Gameboy link cable was HYPED and ended up being compatible with just ONE GAME and using it would cost your about $200 dollars if you didn't already have multiple Gameboys and copies of the same game...

Somebody please just admit, a sleeker Wavebird with a few more standard buttons coming as a pack in would have been such a better choice. The "Wiimote" is based on attachments, are you just going to keep buying them? You'll need at the very least the nunchuck and the console pad [the little Dual Shock/SNES pad] and sooner or later there will be add on after add on after add on. Fringe games will still require additonal controllers: dance pads, arcade sticks, percussions, microphones, etc. Traditional games will still work better with traditional controllers.

And like it or not, Sony could release the PS3 without the remote add on, without a hard drive, without Blu Ray, without HDMI, without memory card slots, and it will still sell, more than Wii, more than 360. Furthermore, when MGS4, FFXIII, and GT5 come out: you will all want one. Pile on the Blu Ray support, add in the backwards compatibility with PS2 and PS-One, plus the fact that in the end PS3 will still have every type of game imaginable, except nifty little motion sensing ones, you'll come on out. Next gen you'll still be wanting to play Street Fighter, SNK games, shoot em ups, obscure RPG's, music games, and Katamari like titles.

Besides, in the end, everything is the same. Swinging your hand to hit a tennis ball, slashing forward to swing a sword, twitching your hand to shoot a gun. You think this will bring indifferent teenage girls and grandmas to video games? They already think Mario is uncool, what makes you think being able to swing a pointy stick is going to change that?

Nintendo will live only through DS. And I'm just mad because I've wanted to see a little Xenosaga on TV and G4's just been showing their hosts talk about nothing for three hours and orgasming over a remote controller.

Edit: I'd just to add, I would have loved to see something like 64DD, the GB transfer pack, or the SuperScope take off. Those "gimmicks" were groundbreaking at their time and firsts for any console. I laugh when I think my relatively new dance pads are technology Nintendo invented 20 years ago. But with all those innovations, what have they done? Just 7 Mario Party games and a new Zelda every four years. Yet Microsoft took the hard drive [64DD] and did something huge with it. They pulled off LIVE [Satellaview] perfectly. Sony and Microsoft both did the microphone/headset justice. Konami took the NES action pad and created a worldwide phenomenon with it. I'd be willing to bet Sony or Microsoft could take a watered down Wiimote and actually make money off it, while Nintendo will just have to come up with a new Zelda to keep the fanboys happy. Ultimately, Nintendo's biggest success has 2 buttons and a rudimentary D-Pad. It's hard to keep it simple with hard drives, HD displays, and network cards flying around, but Nintendo says it's just about the games? Prove it, get rid of the remote, stick to a standard controller, and hit up a dozen solid launch titles [first party] and get Capcom, Square-Enix, Konami, Namco, and EA to actually care this time around and you might just find yourself in first place, at least second.
 
I love idiots!

Remember kids, you TOO can write a big long post, and STILL prove you're devoid of any shred of intelligence!
 
[quote name='sarausagi']
Nintendo will live only through DS.
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If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fail, then so is the DS.

And I'm just mad because I've wanted to see a little Xenosaga on TV and G4's just been showing their hosts talk about nothing for three hours and orgasming over a remote controller.
Common sense would dictate they are showing more of the Wii because it is a CONSOLE and more people are interested than people that are interested in Xenosaga III. If you're mad, go blow of steam somewhere else.
 
[quote name='Foolman']If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fail, then so is the DS.


Common sense would dictate they are showing more of the Wii because it is a CONSOLE and more people are interested than people that are interested in Xenosaga III. If you're mad, go blow of steam somewhere else.[/QUOTE]

"If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fall, then so is the DS"

But that's not true, stylus technology has already been proven, it's been a hit and a money maker and a solid interface all people are familiar with through PDA's, cell phones, laptops, PC tablets, point of sale computers, and all sorts of appliances. The transition to gaming was only natural and it is as intuitive and flexible as a two buttoned mouse.

Even the media friendly blogs are posting evidence that this is old technology that never took off. A similar controller is for sale at BIG LOTS for $9.99, it uses motion sensors and gyroscopes to do what Wiimote is doing. People buy it cheap and still throw it away. A bigger example is XAVIX, both Circuit City, Best Buy, and the Shop at Home channels pushed it big, did it succeed? NO. Was it fun? For FIVE minutes.

I'm pretty much frustrated because the E3 scene this year is a Nintendo jerk off circle. There's about, hmm, fifty good games at E3 that you can play within months. I'm much more concerned with those.
 
Both technologies are proven to work. It's the software that ends up delivering. The DS had crap software for the longest time, but the Wii is already starting to show promising software. I'd say the Wii is definitely going to have a better launch than the DS.

Why the games that are coming out in a couple months aren't getting covered is an easy question to answer. We have already seen them!
 
[quote name='sarausagi']"If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fall, then so is the DS"

But that's not true, stylus technology has already been proven, it's been a hit and a money maker and a solid interface all people are familiar with through PDA's, cell phones, laptops, PC tablets, point of sale computers, and all sorts of appliances. The transition to gaming was only natural and it is as intuitive and flexible as a two buttoned mouse.

Even the media friendly blogs are posting evidence that this is old technology that never took off. A similar controller is for sale at BIG LOTS for $9.99, it uses motion sensors and gyroscopes to do what Wiimote is doing. People buy it cheap and still throw it away. A bigger example is XAVIX, both Circuit City, Best Buy, and the Shop at Home channels pushed it big, did it succeed? NO. Was it fun? For FIVE minutes.

I'm pretty much frustrated because the E3 scene this year is a Nintendo jerk off circle. There's about, hmm, fifty good games at E3 that you can play within months. I'm much more concerned with those.[/quote]
The Sony controller and the cheapo PC controller are not the same. This is much closer to being a PC mouse, another object that has been a proven success.

Also comparing a PC controller to the Wii-mote (what MS and others said) and saying that the PC remote did very little and fell by the wayside is a moot point since PC's do not have a controller packed in every box.

Xavix, like the N-Gage, failed due to price. If Xavix was cheap and available at wal-mart, then it would have been huge. If N-gage was priced as a handheld, not a full-featured phone, it would have been at least somewhat viable for longer then it was. Wii is a lesser piece of computing hardware and will be priced accordingly.

EDIT: "Somebody please just admit, a sleeker Wavebird with a few more standard buttons coming as a pack in would have been such a better choice." Like hell I want more god-damned buttons. Might as well use a damn keyboard (or Z-Board!)
 
[quote name='Foolman']Both technologies are proven to work. It's the software that ends up delivering. The DS had crap software for the longest time, but the Wii is already starting to show promising software. I'd say the Wii is definitely going to have a better launch than the DS.

Why the games that are coming out in a couple months aren't getting covered is an easy question to answer. We have already seen them![/QUOTE]

I think the real question to ask is this

Which Zelda will you buy?

Gamecube Twilight or Wii Twilight?

I think a poll answering that would reflect people's true feelings about Wii.
 
I'll actually be getting the Wii Twilight Princess. I'm not seeing how one game can "reflect people's true feelings about the Wii." Twilight Princess wasn't even intended for the Wii.
 
[quote name='sarausagi']I think the real question to ask is this

Which Zelda will you buy?

Gamecube Twilight or Wii Twilight?

I think a poll answering that would reflect people's true feelings about Wii.[/QUOTE]

Wii Twilight, unless the GCN version came out first, then I would buy it again.
 
Well first off, your post is the result of angst. So that almost completely releases it from being logical, rational, or valid. But I'll bite anyway because I'm a little bored atm and don't have a terrible amount to do. I know this is a trap for all intents and purposes, but oh well.

So let's take away some of your weak arguments:
Power Glove - Not made by Nintendo, so that doesn't count. Isn't integral to the system, so no one gave a shit about it. Ahead of it's time and had terrible execution.

Power Pad - an initial foray into alternative input methods, and proved successful for some part. Didn't really take of, but did it's job.

R.O.B. - Yes, a gimmick, purely. But like the Power Glove, not integral to the experience and therefore not comparable to Wii.

Mouse - Sega did this as well and it went nowhere. Doesn't completely absolve Nintendo but it goes to show that console gaming isn't built very well for PC interfaces. At the time it was unveiled, PC gaming itself wasn't even using a mouse all that much. So I'm not sure why you'd bring this up.

Super Scope - A balls-out attempt to extreme-ify light guns. Marginally successful at best.

Satellaview - Only in Japan, was somewhat successful, and outlasted Xband. One of the first somewhat successful attempts at "internet" gaming on a home console.

N64 Mic - Hmmm. Birth of DC's mic, further integrated into GC, and a solid basis on the Xbox. Seems like it's been integral to gaming on a measurable level.

Transfer Pac - Only meant to do one thing, and it did it remarkably well.

64DD - A failure on all levels, but still served a purpose.

Virtual Boy - Same as 64 DD.

You're missing one big thing though. With the exception of the VB, *NONE* of these things had an entire console based around them. So compare apples to oranges all you want.

I think the point I'm trying to make here is that you fail to realize that all of these things have been utilized either by Nintendo or by their competitors in some form or fashion. The great thing about failures is that they always end up becoming valuable R&D. It's called experience, and the only time it is a total failure is when you can't learn from it. Additionally, you can argue that this is evident of Nintendo taking lots of risks and attempting to help their fanbase enjoy peripherals and games to their utmost potential. Why else would the Transfer Pac even exist, if not to allow gamers the all-important ability to move data between consoles? And this leads to things later on like GC-GBA cables, which will be furtherd in the Wii-DS wireless connections.

In other words, it might fail on some levels, but it prevails at later stages. The only way this stuff remains a detriment is if Nintendo still used them and refused to upgrade the technologies and techniques available on their console.

The point about the GBA-GC link only working with one game is false on a million and one levels, to the point where I don't even feel the need to defend it. That's just brash fanboyism speaking at its most raw.

As for the Wiimote itself, I highly doubt we'll see more than a few addons. And whereas MS or Sony would need to fashion a controller from scratch, Nintendo can just put them in a shell. That kind of modability is amazing, and follows an object-oriented like programming design. Instead of plunking down $200 for a Steel Batallion controllers, you can create a 20-30 dollar dock and get the exact same thing. Whether or not this happens remains to be seen, so maybe you'd like to stop being so close-minded about it?

In fact, the ultimate irony about your post is that you talk at length about a fringe game - DDR - and yet dismiss it as well. I don't know if that's the hip thing all the hep cats do these days, but how can you complain about something that radiates PURELY around the idea of getting non-gamers into the gaming industry?

Traditional games work with traditional controllers, and guess what, Nintendo knows that too. I don't know how you managed to miss A) a conventional shell, B) the conventional controller, and C) the fact that SSBB will have both motion and regular controls.

I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make by saying we want to play MGS4. I'd worry about any gamer that wouldn't. On top of that, what Sony COULD do is release a system that is somewhat less powerful, without the fluff, and sell it for less than 400 bucks. But they'd rather shove their own proprietary medium down our throats and tell us we want it, that we'll pay through the ass for it, and at the end of the day after we've spent 700 bucks, we'll FINALLY get to play MGS4. I wonder what happens if MS comes knocking on Konami's door and tells them to port it, and then proceeds to hand them a billion bucks. What happens to your argument then? If they can do it with GTA4 - which is an even larger franchise - then I'm pretty sure they could pull anything they want. No exclusitivity, but damn sure some ports.

Your comments about how the motion stuff is not worth it flies in the goddamn face of A) almost every developer comment, B) the 6+ hour long lines at E3, and C) seemingly every last preview and hands-on report that has come down the line. Again, what is ironic is that you talk a lot about DDR, which aims to do the same - get people playing who don't. The controller will do that, whether you like it or not. What the DS has started will be continued.

Finally, the whole thing about how Konami took Nintendo's archaic technology and used it in such a radical way is valid. So maybe, then, you'd like to tell me about the last time Konami had money, time, and people to invest in making a damn console? There's no way to say Nintendo would think up the same concepts as Katamari and DDR. But at the same time, when you have time and energy to devote to new methods of gameplay, you'll damn sure hit gold every once and a while. You know, kind of like how Nintendo has made a whole new goddamn interface for their next console.

You then take this to mean "well Sony or MS could make money of it." Which is completely right. They've taken almost everything Nintendo has done in the past and made money off it. So what is your goddamn point? I mean, why else does MS suddenly say they need more family friendly games? Why does Sony add in motion control? BECAUSE IT'S COMMONPLACE IN ALL INDUSTRIES TO COPY WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL. I mean, really, Sony! Connecting a portable to a console? What a fucking RADICAL idea!

Your post reeks of trendy Nintendo bashing, really.
 
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