Sony controller rips off Nintendo

[quote name='Brak']There's no doubt that Sony is desperately trying to swipe Nintendo's ideas, but this was an interesting read:

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/05/09/sony-steals-motion-idea-but-not-from-nintendo/

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407

(I thumbed through a few pages in this thread, so I apologize if this was posted already)[/QUOTE]

Yeah great idea Sony, you get your asses handed to you in a lawsuit brought by Immersion about your controllers not too long ago so what do you do? Create a controller that blatantly rips off yet another company...
 
[quote name='Brak']There's no doubt that Sony is desperately trying to swipe Nintendo's ideas, but this was an interesting read:

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/05/09/sony-steals-motion-idea-but-not-from-nintendo/

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407

(I thumbed through a few pages in this thread, so I apologize if this was posted already)[/QUOTE]

I actually wasn't aware of that until the gamespot blog mentioned it... anyway, the Sidewinder is worth mentioning, but when I try to imagine what Sony was thinking when they threw this idea together, I dont think they're thinking "damn, that sidewinder thing was crazy, we've gotta get that into the DS3 somehow".
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yeah great idea Sony, you get your asses handed to you in a lawsuit brought by Immersion about your controllers not too long ago so what do you do? Create a controller that blatantly rips off yet another company...[/QUOTE]
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708601p1.html

"he noted that Sony had actually wanted to use the motion sensor technology in the PSP."
 
To paraphrase Sarausagi's comment,

"Who cares about technology and innovation when I can play the same old games with better graphics?! P.S. I'M BUYING PS3 BTW I'M RICH!!!!!"

Oh wait...a Dragon Quest is coming to the Wii...
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']http://ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708601p1.html

"he noted that Sony had actually wanted to use the motion sensor technology in the PSP."[/QUOTE]

No way, if they had done that that PSP would have had the potential to be a lot more popular that it is. I can't imagine it would have added much to the price, Way to fumble that one sony...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']No way, if they had done that that PSP would have had the potential to be a lot more popular that it is. I can't imagine it would have added much to the price, Way to fumble that one sony...[/QUOTE]
Have you not seen how cramped the tech inside the PSP is without it? It would've meant a larger system and the size that the PSP is at right now is about perfect for the system. Games that can use motion tech can include their own sensor (like Mercury).

What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

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[quote name='Lobsterjohnson']To paraphrase Sarausagi's comment,

"Who cares about technology and innovation when I can play the same old games with better graphics?! P.S. I'M BUYING PS3 BTW I'M RICH!!!!!"

Oh wait...Dragon Quest is coming to the Wii...[/QUOTE]

no its not. its a spin off.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Have you not seen how cramped the tech inside the PSP is without it? It would've meant a larger system and the size that the PSP is at right now is about perfect for the system. Games that can use motion tech can include their own sensor (like Mercury).

What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

wii_classic_controller.jpg
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Yeah I remember them talking about Mercury coming with a motion sensor that plugs into the USB. Then it was going to be sold seperately shortly after launch and that was the last they mentioned it.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']
What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

wii_classic_controller.jpg
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Looks like it was designed with the virtual console in mind. Playing genesis, nes, snes, turbografx, what have you would be a bitch if the d-pad was lowered like on gamecube and xbox controllers.

While it might be possible for games to be made for the Wii that use this controller, that's clearly not what Nintendo intends. Besides, they could always just use the gamecube controller if they want games to be made for Wii using traditional controls.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

wii_classic_controller.jpg
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It covers every prior Nintendo control scheme, including the N64 and Cube. It would've been nice to have the Z button on the underside, though. Ocarina of Time through the VC will be a bitch.
 
[quote name='Vegan']It covers every prior Nintendo control scheme, including the N64 and Cube. It would've been nice to have the Z button on the underside, though. Ocarina of Time through the VC will be a bitch.[/QUOTE]
I know that. I'm talking about the obvious likeness to Sony's dual analog stick design. With everyone here going nuts over "ripoffs," I was surprised this wasn't mentioned at all. Plus, the setup reminds me of the RetroCon controller.
 
Is there a more practical way they could've emulated the C-stick/C-buttons? This way, they're filling that need, AND making it possible for developers to make dual-analog games if they want to.

I don't know if it's Nintendo bias talking, but the Classic Controller seems more like a solution than a ripoff, while the PS3 controller seems more like a ripoff.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I know that. I'm talking about the obvious likeness to Sony's dual analog stick design. With everyone here going nuts over "ripoffs," I was surprised this wasn't mentioned at all. Plus, the setup reminds me of the RetroCon controller.[/QUOTE]

No one mentioned it because its blatantly obvious that the dual shock was a direct copy of the SNES pad with two analog sticks thrown on it. Two analog sticks that were put on after the N64 controller came out.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I know that. I'm talking about the obvious likeness to Sony's dual analog stick design. With everyone here going nuts over "ripoffs," I was surprised this wasn't mentioned at all. Plus, the setup reminds me of the RetroCon controller.[/quote]
Well obviously if you have two analog sticks, one accessible to each hand, as well as a d-pad, you're going to have to have it either the GC/xbox way or the dual shock way, there's no other way to do it unless the right stick is switched with the buttons, which is dumb.

Since the controller is probably made mostly for virtual console it's going to feature the d-pad as the main way to move and therefore it gets the top spot. It is very much like the retrocon, except the retrocon of course went more for an NES controller than SNES. That makes sense when that's exactly what they were trying to do with the controller: make it like the SNES controller but with more buttons and analog sticks.

I don't see how it's at all similar to Sony putting a motion sensor in the PS3 controller at the last minute after Nintendo decided to feature motion sensing technology in their controllers.
 
[quote name='jkam']No one mentioned it because its blatantly obvious that the dual shock was a direct copy of the SNES pad with two analog sticks thrown on it. Two analog sticks that were put on after the N64 controller came out.[/QUOTE]

Original PS1 controller was based on the SNES design with two added shoulder buttons(considering Sony was originally working with Nintendo, this isn't hard to believe)

Sony Dualshock was a copy of the N64 analog and rumble pak feature. They added an internal rumble (which is what they were sued over) and an extra stick to act as their "C" buttons. I think it was released in '97 or '98.
 
[quote name='SpazX']I don't see how it's at all similar to Sony putting a motion sensor in the PS3 controller at the last minute after Nintendo decided to feature motion sensing technology in their controllers.[/QUOTE]
It's not, but it seems like the logical comeback in these bitching threads. Though it's not like Sony came up with the motion sensor idea a few weeks ago, as they've been looking to use it for a few years now when they thought about using it in the PSP.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']It's not, but it seems like the logical comeback in these bitching threads. Though it's not like Sony came up with the motion sensor idea a few weeks ago, as they've been looking to use it for a few years now when they thought about using it in the PSP.[/QUOTE]

The fact that some guy in an interview (after an avalanche of bad press about the whole thing) claims they wanted to use it before the PS3 belies the shady nature of adding it to their controller shortly before E3.

However, I've never seen motion sensing on a hanheld before.
 
Sure, it may be a little shady, but proves that they didn't research and develop it after TGS, but years before. It's not new technology for games by any means, but no handheld system itself ever included the tech before, and still doesn't to this day.

I'm not surprised by the fanyboy video or even previous using Snake's act of suicide in MGS4 to make some message about the price. It's just stupid fanboys being "smart." I'm not surprised that you're posting it, as much as your sig show it with its "facts" and such.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']It's not, but it seems like the logical comeback in these bitching threads. Though it's not like Sony came up with the motion sensor idea a few weeks ago, as they've been looking to use it for a few years now when they thought about using it in the PSP.[/quote]

With how often Sony has lied to the consumer in the past, even if this is true, it makes it hard to believe them.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Sure, it may be a little shady, but proves that they didn't research and develop it after TGS, but years before. It's not new technology for games by any means, but no handheld system itself ever included the tech before, and still doesn't to this day.

I'm not surprised by the fanyboy video or even previous using Snake's act of suicide in MGS4 to make some message about the price. It's just stupid fanboys being "smart." I'm not surprised that you're posting it, as much as your sig show it with its "facts" and such.[/QUOTE]

huh? My sig is awesome comedic hawtness. I'm sorry if it offends you.

I'm also sorry if that video is an affront to you personally. I thought it was a funny counter to "they wanted to do it on the PSP" considering the thread topic. As much as "fanboys lol omg" are trying to defend Nintendo, there's an awful lot of backpedaling by "objectively cool dudes" to defend Sony as well(being "smart", in your own words). Instead of making "Sony copies" things, they pull out baseless arguements like "well, back when, they wanted to use it" or"Hey, there was this PC controller..." like it means something. In their rush to defend Sony from the horrid Nintendo fanboys, they end up pulling out some context-less apples to oranges "fanboy" crap from blog-sites. It all works the same.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Sure, it may be a little shady, but proves that they didn't research and develop it after TGS, but years before. It's not new technology for games by any means, but no handheld system itself ever included the tech before, and still doesn't to this day.
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Some guy from Sony says they wanted to put it in the PSP and that proves its true? What the hell kind of logic is that? Show me a patent or something that even closely resembles their "idea" for this and maybe I'll believe it.
 
Now I'm torn. The Wii sounds awesome and at the low price range seems like the ideal choice... however, the games I want are all gonna be on the PS3: Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, GTAIV, etc. What am I to do? :(
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Now I'm torn. The Wii sounds awesome and at the low price range seems like the ideal choice... however, the games I want are all gonna be on the PS3: Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, GTAIV, etc. What am I to do? :([/QUOTE]
Phil Harrison says to buy both. Do not disappoint him. Or if you must, make Miyamoto happy.
 
[quote name='botticus']Phil Harrison says to buy both. Do not disappoint him. Or if you must, make Miyamoto happy.[/quote]

$1000 for gaming systems? Screw that.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']http://ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708601p1.html

"he noted that Sony had actually wanted to use the motion sensor technology in the PSP."[/QUOTE]
Scraping the bottom of the barrel. The Logitech / Microsoft controller was out years before the PSP was even conceived.
 
[quote name='Brak']Scraping the bottom of the barrel. The Logitech / Microsoft controller was out years before the PSP was even conceived.[/QUOTE]
Because that was a major part of PC gaming for years to come, right? I'm not saying they're original, just that it wasn't a decision made just two weeks ago.
Reality's Fringe;1894646]huh? My sig is awesome comedic hawtness. I'm sorry if it offends you. I'm also sorry if that video is an affront to you personally. I thought it was a funny counter to "they wanted to do it on the PSP" considering the thread topic. As much as "fanboys lol omg" are trying to defend Nintendo said:
No, I'm far from offended, it's just far from funny in any way possible. It's proof that they didn't go to Nintendo's HQ and get the idea from them to do this, that they've thought about using it for awhile. Too many people are quick to scream "They stole _____'s _____" instead of thinking logically. If you feel like continuing believing it's stolen, go ahead, just don't expect to not be called out on it.
[quote name='jkam']Some guy from Sony says they wanted to put it in the PSP and that proves its true? What the hell kind of logic is that? Show me a patent or something that even closely resembles their "idea" for this and maybe I'll believe it.
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Since when do patents prove shit? How many times have Nintendo fans searched the patent records for Wii secrets only to find the GBA or DS? Why does Sony have to provide colonic maps when they mention features they considered for systems, but never followed through on? Oh that's right, it's Sony. They couldn't have possibly ever researched the stuff they include in their systems before it goes in or stays out. That's just impossible.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']
No, I'm far from offended, it's just far from funny in any way possible. It's proof that they didn't go to Nintendo's HQ and get the idea from them to do this, that they've thought about using it for awhile. Too many people are quick to scream "They stole _____'s _____" instead of thinking logically. If you feel like continuing believing it's stolen, go ahead, just don't expect to not be called out on it.

Since when do patents prove shit? How many times have Nintendo fans searched the patent records for Wii secrets only to find the GBA or DS? Why does Sony have to provide colonic maps when they mention features they considered for systems, but never followed through on? Oh that's right, it's Sony. They couldn't have possibly ever researched the stuff they include in their systems before it goes in or stays out. That's just impossible.[/QUOTE]

It's a very simple issue:
-Nintendo announces new system with motion sensitive controller as its central basis. Sony counters saying that it's a dumb idea( Kutaragi said this himself).
-As time goes on, Nintendo gets better press
-E3 comes, and Sony delivers the huge secret; A motion sensitive controller.
-Developer states that Sony didn't tell anyone until a few weeks prior to E3 that there would be a motion sensitive control.
-Sony gets bad press. Suddenly some guy claims they were thinking about it long before the revolution was announced.

I'm sure you can add all that together for yourself. I'm not debating that they stole the technology, it's called contextual copycating. Sony has a history of it. I like how it's impossible to you that they may have stolen the idea, but you're ready to buy into any bullshit they sling your way. I guess I'm just blind to these ultimate facts because I like nintendo so much. Besides, that Kirby game predates the PSP by a country mile, and that is comedy, all things considered.

I'm sorry my sig is unfunny. I think I'll change it here and try for a better one.
 
I think the question of whether or not Sony "stole" the technology is almost moot, who cares where they got it from. It's not the same as the Wii remote, really, it's far more limited. But that's not the point.

The point, my friends, is that they put it in as a response to the Wii and never would have if Nintendo hadn't been getting good press over it. It's a shallow last-minute reaction when they suddenly realized Nintendo was on to something with their new controller. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that.

Oh and Fringe, I love the new sig. (loved the old one too).
 
Reality's Fringe;1897311 said:
I'm sorry my sig is unfunny. I think I'll change it here and try for a better one.
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Thank you for your sigs. Because of you, Kidtendo, Gheytendo, and caveman graphics are all part of my daily vocabulary. :D
 
Reality's Fringe;1897311]It's a very simple issue: -Nintendo announces new system with motion sensitive controller as its central basis. Sony counters saying that it's a dumb idea( Kutaragi said this himself). -As time goes on said:
In your context of stealing? Of course I don't believe it. Were they influenced to go ahead with the motion sensor when they saw details of it? Most likely, though the tech itself wasn't new to them and it's a different level of the tech compared to what Nintendo is using. Contextual copycatting seems to be the more fitting term, but everyone will just shorten it to stealing nad follow that accordingly. Your puny Nintendo-filled mind knows nothing as the Kirby games was beaten by these or these games. ;)
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Reality's Fringe;1894646 said:
My sig is awesome comedic hawtness.
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No, no, and no. Read:

The Onion is funny. South Park is funny. Mitch Hedberg was funny. The Simpsons is funny. Weird Al's video for "Eat It" is funny.

Those sigs of yours are slopped together in a manner that make the crappiest YTMNDs out there look like a Bob Ross masterpiece. Even when you make a good post or bring up a good point, when it's postscripted with something like that it's like making a nice dinner and then taking a dump on the table. I realize it's easy to get into a strokefest with like-minded people who will convince themselves that it's poignant and hilarious...even when all evidence points to it being a 10th rate Penny Arcade-esque commentary with any artwork replaced by bad Photoshopping.

"But it's supposed to look bad, that's part of why it's funny!" Oh, I see. Man, that makes it really funny now. I totally stand corrected.
 
Reality's Fringe;1894646 said:
My sig is awesome comedic hawtness.
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No, no, and no. Read:

The Onion is funny. South Park is funny. Mitch Hedberg was funny. The Simpsons is funny. Weird Al's video for "Eat It" is funny.

Those sigs of yours are slopped together in a manner that make the crappiest YTMNDs out there look like a Bob Ross masterpiece. Even when you make a good post or bring up a good point, when it's postscripted with something like that it's like making a nice dinner and then taking a dump on the table. I realize it's easy to get into a strokefest with like-minded people who will convince themselves that it's poignant and hilarious (see the post two up from this one)...even when all evidence points to it being a 10th rate Penny Arcade-esque commentary with any artwork replaced by bad Photoshopping.

"But it's supposed to look bad, that's part of why it's funny!" Oh, I see. Man, that makes it really funny now. I totally stand corrected.
 
I could either debate that your choices for what is funny undermine all your right to tell us what is funny.

Or I could point out that humor is relative and you have no right whatsoever to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't find funny. Either laugh or don't. Just 'cause you didn't laugh doesn't mean you have to run around screaming at everyone else "You can't laugh at that, don't you see, it's not funny!"
 
[quote name='troa11']I could either debate that your choices for what is funny undermine all your right to tell us what is funny.

Or I could point out that humor is relative and you have no right whatsoever to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't find funny. Either laugh or don't. Just 'cause you didn't laugh doesn't mean you have to run around screaming at everyone else "You can't laugh at that, don't you see, it's not funny!"[/QUOTE]
Bah... I was just about to quote his examples of funny and generally invalidate his opinion on comedy.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']No, no, and no. Read:

The Onion is funny. South Park is funny. Mitch Hedberg was funny. The Simpsons is funny. Weird Al's video for "Eat It" is funny.

Those sigs of yours are slopped together in a manner that make the crappiest YTMNDs out there look like a Bob Ross masterpiece. Even when you make a good post or bring up a good point, when it's postscripted with something like that it's like making a nice dinner and then taking a dump on the table. I realize it's easy to get into a strokefest with like-minded people who will convince themselves that it's poignant and hilarious...even when all evidence points to it being a 10th rate Penny Arcade-esque commentary with any artwork replaced by bad Photoshopping.

"But it's supposed to look bad, that's part of why it's funny!" Oh, I see. Man, that makes it really funny now. I totally stand corrected.[/QUOTE]

:cry: That hurts my feelings in ways you can't possibly imagine. You are right though; absurdity is what I'm going for, and judging by the sense of urgency in your post and the use of a sarcastic remark I made the sig seems to be working in the way I wanted it to. I don't understand how my sig invalidates anything I say any more than one that's say, chock full of anime characters, or some stereotyped pose of a videogame character. Or how about ego-boosting XBL profile shots so everyone can see how much of a badass gamer you are, how big your cock is due to your "rep", and what you're playing? It's all the same crap, man. Be it my cheap little sigs, or amazing works of Image Ready art.
If you can honestly look at someone's sig and say to yourself "Ok, now I can't believe/agree with anything this guy says" then you weren't going to in the first place.

Just remember that it's a little 4 minute sig someone made in photoshop for an internet forum, and everything should be all right. I do, however, appreciate your input and will keep it in mind.
 
Reality's Fringe;1898207]Just remember that it's a little 4 minute sig someone made in photoshop for an internet forum said:
Wait... hold the phone. Are you telling me your signature is not the be all and end all of comedy, nay, of life itself!? Are you telling me that I shouldn't spend my precious time forming well-thought-out arguments disputing its comedic merit!? That perhaps there are better things I could do with said time like trolling the gamefaqs message boards!? ARE YOU INSANE!?
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[quote name='psiufoxx2']Wait... hold the phone. Are you telling me your signature is not the be all and end all of comedy, nay, of life itself!? Are you telling me that I shouldn't spend my precious time forming well-thought-out arguments disputing its comedic merit!? That perhaps there are better things I could do with said time like trolling the gamefaqs message boards!? ARE YOU INSANE!?[/QUOTE]

My signatures are designed to be pithy, concise social commentary. They are representative of the beliefs everyone on the interweb has, and are therefore a poignant physical manifestation of our own collective selves.

...wait just a second.




[quote name='Strell']SIGS.

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I take them quite seriously, thank you very much sir.

[quote name='"Daroga"'] *MY* sig image is funny, though, right guys? RIGHT?! ELEC. TRO. PLANK. TON. HA HA HA HA! Wait, what?[/Quote]
It's good, but we can't all be as funny as ME...
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah, but... my sig tells the story of the birth of Christ.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty good. I'll have to outdo it next time. :bomb:

I don't think it's as funny as The Onion, though.

*edit* I love the black bar that goes over Santa's face in one of the starting panels.
 
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