Sony Exec: "People will buy a PS3, no matter what"

[quote name='Strell']I would buy it for GIANT ENEMY CRABS alone.[/QUOTE]

That shit's too historically accurate for casual gamers , though.

I think the new catch phrase should be "A monster instantiates" as heard in the ocnference.
 
That is somewhat true, some people are probably going to buy the PS3 just because it has the word "Playstation" in it, just like the people that will buy the Wii because it says Nintendo and the people that have/will buy the 360 just because it's an "Xbox"
 
I eagerly await the day, two years from now, when I am taking a smoke-ass-smelling, sticky crusty broken PS3 in as trade at EBgames. Damn those rednecks and their PS2s, it's like they don't even know other systems exist...

ehhh, on second thought, that's probably for the best.

(as a side note, i most certainly don't plan to still be working at EB 2 years from now)
 
The first 5 million? He's probably right. The first 10 million? A bit of a stretch. If Sony thinks they can ride their name alone further than that, I have a feeling they're going to be in for a rude awakening. Just ask Nintendo, circa N64 era.
 
um maybe because PS2 has a weak launch and slow start, and still manage to beat out Dreamcast that has one of the best launch in history?
 
[quote name='62t']um maybe because PS2 has a weak launch and slow start, and still manage to beat out Dreamcast that has one of the best launch in history?[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? PS2 sold out its Japanese launch inventory pretty much overnight and didn't slow down for months. The launch can only be described as slow in that Sony didn't have nearly enough units to satisfy demand. The Dreamcast's future was almost immediately cast into serious doubt as it became clear that Sony would match and exceed its installed base quite quickly.

It is true that there are enough people out there with more money than brains willing to grab the PS3 at launch just for a status symbol. Once that demographic has been served the real test of the price comes into the forefront.

You can say the same thing about a crappy movie with tons of advance buzz. The studios avoids any quality issues by not screening the movie for critics in time for the Friday morning papers and TV shows. It may have a big opening weekend but then word of mouth kills off the momentum quickly. This is what I call a whellchair blockbuster. It opens big but has no legs.
 
Sony can suck my ass. The ONLY, and I mean ONLY, thing that could make me even CONSIDER getting a PS3 is if they actually do a FF VII remake, and it actually looks like the tech demo. However, since I've heard it would have the battle system for FF XII, I doubt even that would do it. Why don't the just call it the microtendo rev 36 with sonysoft live. I mean, seriously, are they even capable of an original thought at this point? Well, other than trying to charge consumers $600 bucks for a console, that is. But, hell, even SNK has done that before. But honestly, the reason I could care less about it is the only thing interesting I've seen so far for it is assassian's creed, and that will come to the 360 as well anyway. Red Steel looks WAY more interesting than anything out of sony's overpriced camp.
 
They can't afford not to be cocky. Sony's life depends on the PS3. If the PS3 can't whore our BluRay to the populace, Sony as a whole is in serious trouble.

Answer me this, if people weren't willing to spend $20-$30 to buy their movies again in a portable fashion, will they really spend $20-$30 for a movie they already own to watch it on the exact same screen they were watching their movies on already?
 
[quote name='epobirs']What are you talking about? PS2 sold out its Japanese launch inventory pretty much overnight and didn't slow down for months. The launch can only be described as slow in that Sony didn't have nearly enough units to satisfy demand. The Dreamcast's future was almost immediately cast into serious doubt as it became clear that Sony would match and exceed its installed base quite quickly.

It is true that there are enough people out there with more money than brains willing to grab the PS3 at launch just for a status symbol. Once that demographic has been served the real test of the price comes into the forefront.

You can say the same thing about a crappy movie with tons of advance buzz. The studios avoids any quality issues by not screening the movie for critics in time for the Friday morning papers and TV shows. It may have a big opening weekend but then word of mouth kills off the momentum quickly. This is what I call a whellchair blockbuster. It opens big but has no legs.[/QUOTE]

I am referring to the weak game lineup. In Japan people were buying it as a DVD movie player, and most people use their PS2 to watch The Matrix.
 
[quote name='62t']I am referring to the weak game lineup. In Japan people were buying it as a DVD movie player, and most people use their PS2 to watch The Matrix.[/QUOTE]

Ah, but that secondary DVD application made it a moot point.

Also, the Dreamcast launch wasn't any great shakes either. Beyond Sonic Adventure there was nothing I was remotely tempted by until it was being blown out for $5. The PS2 provided compatibility to its predecessor which was still producing hits. Between DVD and the PS1 library the PS2 early adopters didn't have to bide their time telling themselves this purchase would eventually be justified.

For those gung ho on playing HDTV movies the PS3 will offer a similar solace. But that is a smaller group than those who were waiting to make the jump to the already well established DVD when the PS2 had its Japanese launch, and they weren't aske to pay a substantial premiu over what an early adopter of the PS1 had shelled out.
 
They have the right to be cocky! the PS1 & PS2 were both incredibly succesful for them. They have the best game developers for the console working with the hardware, the games look amazing and I can't see how you could possibly deny that. I would be more interested in BLU RAY, though, if the price of hd-tvs would come down. The E3 show was amusing but only because of the bumbling dork who had no forethought of his genji 2 speech, kaz was just being his usual self...


But he's right, people will buy for the games, the main reason why I didn't get a 360, the games for it didn't interest me as I can play all of the good ones on my pc anyways. By the way there's a funny clip of Bill Gates' vista operating system demo crashing on live tv with conan somewhere, I'd say thats much more of a flop than Sony's E3 appearence, which was pretty much just underwhelming.
 
Sad but true. Ir would probably be the same story with any other console, but it's funny how this guy came out and talked about it... Makes Sony sound really prickish.
 
[quote name='mietha']Sony can suck my ass. The ONLY, and I mean ONLY, thing that could make me even CONSIDER getting a PS3 is if they actually do a FF VII remake, and it actually looks like the tech demo. However, since I've heard it would have the battle system for FF XII, I doubt even that would do it. Why don't the just call it the microtendo rev 36 with sonysoft live. I mean, seriously, are they even capable of an original thought at this point? Well, other than trying to charge consumers $600 bucks for a console, that is. But, hell, even SNK has done that before. But honestly, the reason I could care less about it is the only thing interesting I've seen so far for it is assassian's creed, and that will come to the 360 as well anyway. Red Steel looks WAY more interesting than anything out of sony's overpriced camp.[/QUOTE]

So let me get this straight - you're unhappy with Sony's lack of creativity and the brazenness with which they rip others off, BUT you'd only buy a PS3 if they redid Final Fantasy VII (and then, only if they stuck to the original gameplay)?

Sony's right, and nobody is denying that. Face it: some of you (well, the Hot Mario Giant Attack Crab Giant Sig Brothers, among others, anyway) are way too invested in a corporate strategy behind a console, rather than just hoping for "good games" to be the result. You foolishly believe in the inherent goodness of one console and the inherent badness of another; as a result, you approach everything the "good" company says as laudable and framable genius, and everything the "bad" company says as sinister and detestable chicanery.

In the end, I think that many of you face the same fear: good games or not, the idiot dollar will put Sony over the top again, and this will be Nintendo's last home console. The fact of the matter is this: you may *think* you're a more sophisticated gamer than the people who buy "Commonly Disparaged Idiot Game 2006 Ver." And, you very may well be more sophisticated than them. But there are more of them, and fewer of you, and their dollar goes just as far as your does. That is your fear: that the market will result from the decisions of the uninformed masses. Well, sure. That shit's par for the course.
 
But there are more of them, and fewer of you, and their dollar goes just as far as your does. That is your fear: that the market will result from the decisions of the uninformed masses. Well, sure. That shit's par for the course.
That's so true it makes me want to cry.
 
The reason that sort of statement is so obnoxious is not because it's false. It's because they actually state it publicly. It's fine if they think and know that 5 million people will buy their console if they put out a press release the day before launch that said "We will never make a PS3 game," but telling your faithful that you know they're tools is rarely a good business strategy.
 
[quote name='botticus']The reason that sort of statement is so obnoxious is not because it's false. It's because they actually state it publicly. It's fine if they think and know that 5 million people will buy their console if they put out a press release the day before launch that said "We will never make a PS3 game," but telling your faithful that you know they're tools is rarely a good business strategy.[/QUOTE]

While I'm no Sony apologist (which I suppose is the gaming equivalent of the dreadful caveat "I'm no racist, but..." which is always code for "what I'm about to say is very very racist"), I admit I kind of find their frankness refreshing.

These kinds of statements are not going to sway me into buying a PS3, nor are they going to preclude me from buying one. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. The games are what will make me purchase or not purchase one. As epobirs pointed out, backwards compatibility and DVD playback made the PS2 a good choice regardless of the quality or existence of good PS2 titles at launch. Likewise, if it is universally region-free (i.e., for PS1 and 2 titles), I'll be thrilled to get mine. OTOH, if the rumors of a lousy PS3 launch lineup are true, then we'll see if games matter or not. Hindsight being 20/20, few launch titles on any system can stand up and remain must-have titles throughout the system's lifespan (there are exceptions, of course, Soul Calibur being the only one I can think of).

Oh, I got sidetracked. At any rate, the reason I find their frankness refreshing is simply because I'm tired of company bullshit marketing. This narcissistic approach is certainly different and noteworthy - as it is, it's garnering more attention than your average humdrum corporate person statement (at least from me, anyway). Whether it becomes positive or negative attention has yet to be seen.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] Likewise, if it is universally region-free (i.e., for PS1 and 2 titles), I'll be thrilled to get mine.[/QUOTE]

Wait, what? Was the PS2 like this? I always thought you couldn't play import games on any system out of the box because of the limitations built into the systems to prevent seperate markets from sniping each other's sales.
 
The truest shit the a Sony rep has ever said. Even the diehard MS fans (me) and Nintendo fans (Wii!) can not ignore this statement. No matter how expensive it as at launch, people will buy, whether to sell on eBay or out of pure Sony loyality is the question to ask. I know if I can get my hands on one It's going on eBay to pay off my 360 purchases.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Sony's right, and nobody is denying that. Face it: some of you (well, the Hot Mario Giant Attack Crab Giant Sig Brothers, among others, anyway) are way too invested in a corporate strategy behind a console, rather than just hoping for "good games" to be the result. You foolishly believe in the inherent goodness of one console and the inherent badness of another; as a result, you approach everything the "good" company says as laudable and framable genius, and everything the "bad" company says as sinister and detestable chicanery.

In the end, I think that many of you face the same fear: good games or not, the idiot dollar will put Sony over the top again, and this will be Nintendo's last home console. The fact of the matter is this: you may *think* you're a more sophisticated gamer than the people who buy "Commonly Disparaged Idiot Game 2006 Ver." And, you very may well be more sophisticated than them. But there are more of them, and fewer of you, and their dollar goes just as far as your does. That is your fear: that the market will result from the decisions of the uninformed masses. Well, sure. That shit's par for the course.[/QUOTE]I'm quoting the above because A.) I couldn't agree more, and B.) I thought they were among the most cogent and well-made points I've read on a message board in a long time and deserved to be posted twice. :applause:
 
[quote name='vinhjdao']Wait, what? Was the PS2 like this? I always thought you couldn't play import games on any system out of the box because of the limitations built into the systems to prevent seperate markets from sniping each other's sales.[/QUOTE]

No, you're right. Sony has announced that the PS3 will be region-free for games (though I imgaine the same region protections will exist for Blu-Ray and DVD video). The only thing I'm not certain of is whether "region-free for games" means PS3 only, or PS1, PS2, and PS3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Sony's right, and nobody is denying that. Face it: some of you (well, the Hot Mario Giant Attack Crab Giant Sig Brothers, among others, anyway) are way too invested in a corporate strategy behind a console, rather than just hoping for "good games" to be the result. You foolishly believe in the inherent goodness of one console and the inherent badness of another; as a result, you approach everything the "good" company says as laudable and framable genius, and everything the "bad" company says as sinister and detestable chicanery.
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Ahhh. So smart he can't even notice a joke, running or not. And then he dresses up a bunch of rhetoric to make it look intelligent, when really it's just an exercise in taking a long time to say nothing.

Good show, old bean.

Really.
 
I must give the typical consumer more credit than their worth, then. If they'll buy a game system that has no games, I may as well sell them a car which I took a dump in , smashed the drivetrain, and took out all of the seats. They'll buy it if it says Mercedes and is shiny and black....right?

Does it make me "sad" that people will buy anything, regardless of its quality? Well, yeah, as it deals with my hobby, but I've gotten used to that. I found the statement to be "crazy" on that level, not because of Giant Enemy Crabs in historical Japan, but becauseif this is/becomes the general industry attitude; it'll be a cycle with 1,000 mediocre to shitty games and about 35 good ones. And I'm not just talking about Sony.
 
Wait, are we upset that he said that or are we upset that he is right? I'm so confused at what I'm supposed to be irate at.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Wait, are we upset that he said that or are we upset that he is right? I'm so confused at what I'm supposed to be irate at.[/QUOTE]
It varies. I feel sorry for the people who it is true for, and flabbergasted that someone would voice it.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']I don't even know why I even go on the internet anymore, it is packed wall-to-wall with angsty children.[/QUOTE]

Such as yourself.
 
Reality's Fringe;1907948]I must give the typical consumer more credit than their worth said:
I'd argue that this is a third-party developer effect more than consoles. The gap between BIG third-parties and NOT BIG ('cuz they aren't exactly little) is getting far larger - isn't it fact that 1 out of every 5 games sold (approx.) is an EA franchise? And, of course, we all have knee-jerk hatred for EA because they've commodified games into a bland experience that isn't creative and we all hate them? There is little room for innovation anymore, because a failed title is very costly - look at Majesco and Psychonauts. I bet they wished they published "Boring Game Hillbillies Like" now. Anyway, to stop the blather, this is going to happen (a high ratio of boring yet salable titles to unique and innovative titles) no matter who takes the market this time around.

Lastly, Strell wants you to believe that his Big-N love is a "running joke." I suggest anyone who thinks there is an ounce of truth to that do a search for threads started by him. It's like a Big-N orgy. I know you think you're funny, and thus this is a joke. But just suck it up and accept the truth - Sony will sell 5 million without batting an eye. I'm not saying it to spite you, and I'm not hating on Nintendo. I'm saying it because so many people expect this mass consciousness of the gaming consumer base to occur, and they will spontaneously become the enlightened masses who refuse to drop $600 on a console. This newly-enlightened class of consumers will all buy games *you* guys like, because they're 'better,' right?

Let me put it to you this way: The DaVinci code pulled in $224 million in three days. Two weeks before that, "RV" was the number one movie in the nation. Put your battle flags down, as history has shown that pap will always win when it comes to media battles.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Such as yourself.[/QUOTE]
I beg to differ.

I am not the one posting:

"Sony sux!"

"No, Nintendo sux!"

"No, U SUX LOLZ!"

Whiny little bitches...
 
I think people will buy it but I really don't like Sony's arrogance. I definitely see some of their thunder being stolen this gen. It's already been stated by a few developers that its hard to program for...this means a slow launch. Developers have also stated the cost to develop a game is very high. Smaller developers will flock to the Wii ...SNK being a good example.

I think there will be a lot of delays on games in the early get go. I think they will have less room to gain momentum. With the PS2 they had a lot of time to get things going. With the 360 hitting its stride and the Wii being very affordable will they have the same comfort factor? They had better make a pretty solid hardware launch as well...if people are paying $600 and their machine craps out your going to have some unhappy people. I think the odds are against them more then ever.
 
Well, for a Japanese perspective on this, where there is little 360 competition:

Yahoo! Japan recented surveyed 20,000 users for their opinions on the PS3 retail price:

* 8% (1548 votes) - I will buy the console on the launch day even if the price is high
* 19% (3725 votes) - Undecided due to the high price
* 25% (4814 votes) - I will buy when the price is reduced
* 26% (5171 votes) - Plan to buy when price is reduced
* 24% (4742 votes) - Presently have no interest to buy
Hopefully (for Sony) 8% translates into a couple million people, or they'll have trouble hitting their mark.
 
I look at it this way.

You work at Wal-Mart and no one else is hiring but you hate your job, and you complain about it everyday. Truth is Wal-Mart is paying your bills, and that's what you need to put food on the table and pay your bills. Since theres no other job openings you have to stay where you are.

I'm going to be alittle extreme here, but your going to buy a PS3 by the same logic. The PS3 is going to be the only system with all those sequels you desire for, and Metal Gear is only going to appear on the PS3. There is no substitute system to get those games, so you go out and buy a PS3. Metal Gear was a system seller for the PS2 as was GTA, but now Metal Gear looks to remain exclusive to the PS3 and that alone with a few other sequels is going to sell the system because? You can only get them on the PS3.

At E3 MS announced GTA would be avaible on the same day for the 360 as it would for the PS3. Now this was probably the biggest blow to Sony because now people could spend half the price and play the same exact game. The only way its going to get worst for Sony now is if Konami announces they will be porting Metal Gear or Namco announces Tekken for the 360, or worst, the next Final Fantasy will be 360 as well.

Well duh. Captain Obvious needs to play a role in all this.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm not certain how this analogy is even remotely applicable. Are people beholden to brand names? Damned skippy. People flock to "Sony" and "Playstation" as much as...oh, I dunno, "Nintendo." I'm not certain what point you're trying to make with the "bashed up car" argument. I think you're trying to stretch brand loyalty to an absurd extreme, in order to make it appear as if brand loyalty isn't everything. Well, it isn't, as Sony's market dominance for the past decade has shown us that brand loyalty towards Nintendo disappeared after the Super NES. Your equating a beat-up-and-shit-on Mercedes to a console with the specs of the PS3 is absurd, and incorrect. [/Quote]


It's hyperbole, which is what the internet is used to The car itself hasn't been bashed up(it looks pretty). It still functions on a very basic level but without the drivetrain( games), the seats( "luxuries" of the $600 version, which aren't really luxuries), and the fact that someone took a dump in the dashboard(that could be any one annoyance, but it's mainly because feces in something always makes it worse) it doesn't matter if it says Playstation or Gucci. It has nothing to do with the specs, and everything to do with dropping almost a grand on a toy that doesn't do what it's supposed to(in relation to what Sony Man said).

[quote name='mykevermin']
I'm not claiming that Sony will win this generation of the console wars - they easily could have, but their $600 price point did more, than anything MS or Nintendo could have done, to level the playing field. But, the guy in the OP is absolutely correct when he says that they will sell the first several million consoles to people who have a Pavlovian response to Sony putting out new hardware alone. [/Quote]

I never claimed that you were asserting a Sony "victory" (which is a concept I would like to see stricken from discussion about videogames in general. Are we talking Marketshare or overall profits? The only real victory would be if one company utterly destroyed another). The PS3 will sell a certain amount of units based on name alone, but it can only ride the Sony coattail for so long. He may be correct to some degree (5 million sounds a little high, but what do I know?), but it's still pretty much an insult to the consumer and poor foresight, especially since their success was built on Nintendo's idiocy and hubris (N64 days).


[quote name='mykevermin']
I'd argue that this is a third-party developer effect more than consoles. The gap between BIG third-parties and NOT BIG ('cuz they aren't exactly little) is getting far larger - isn't it fact that 1 out of every 5 games sold (approx.) is an EA franchise? And, of course, we all have knee-jerk hatred for EA because they've commodified games into a bland experience that isn't creative and we all hate them? There is little room for innovation anymore, because a failed title is very costly - look at Majesco and Psychonauts. I bet they wished they published "Boring Game Hillbillies Like" now. Anyway, to stop the blather, this is going to happen (a high ratio of boring yet salable titles to unique and innovative titles) no matter who takes the market this time around.[/Quote]

I don't hate EA. I hate their endless supply of sports games, but I enjoyed the Godfather for a rental. At anyrate, creative games fail, but they fail at the same rate that Generic Action Game 17 would , and games like that still tend to get sequels. It took Psychonauts longer to clearance out than Genji or Total Overdose, and even at $10 they're still languishing on the shelves. I don't know the sales figures, but I know Genji wasn't a "Hot Title" (Thanks Gamestop) and it's still getting a sequel(*insert crab joke*). I agree that there's still going to be a higher ratio or "boring" titles(not necessarily salable) to "fun" ones, but I'm hoping for a close in the gap on sequels/spinoffs/ripoffs etc. thanks to higher dev costs. Pipe-dream? Probably.
 
Reality's Fringe;1908067 said:
I agree that there's still going to be a higher ratio or "boring" titles(not necessarily salable) to "fun" ones, but I'm hoping for a close in the gap on sequels/spinoffs/ripoffs etc. thanks to higher dev costs. Pipe-dream? Probably.

I actually think higher development costs will contribute to even more sequels as companies aren't going to be able to afford to take a chance on an unknown property.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I actually think higher development costs will contribute to even more sequels as companies aren't going to be able to afford to take a chance on an unknown property.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but my main hope was that they'd see certain franchises not selling well and just stop making them and come up with some new IP which doesn't fit the same archetype, or at least to a lesser degree. :lol: Pipe-dream, I know.
 
success was built on Nintendo's idiocy and hubris (N64 days).

And, in the end, isn't that going to be the greatest irony, if Sony ends up losing marketshare?

I don't know, honestly, how to determine a "winning" console - marketshare may be a good one, but it's unfair to discount profitability entirely. After all, I don't think Microsoft was ever in the black, at all, during the Xbox's lifespan; OTOH, Nintendo was able to make a profit on the sales of their hardware. Sony, I believe, lost money on consoles, but made it back many times over via software sales. It's a tough thing to work out, no?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

Lastly, Strell wants you to believe that his Big-N love is a "running joke." I suggest anyone who thinks there is an ounce of truth to that do a search for threads started by him. It's like a Big-N orgy. I know you think you're funny, and thus this is a joke. But just suck it up and accept the truth - Sony will sell 5 million without batting an eye. I'm not saying it to spite you, and I'm not hating on Nintendo. I'm saying it because so many people expect this mass consciousness of the gaming consumer base to occur, and they will spontaneously become the enlightened masses who refuse to drop $600 on a console. This newly-enlightened class of consumers will all buy games *you* guys like, because they're 'better,' right?

Let me put it to you this way: The DaVinci code pulled in $224 million in three days. Two weeks before that, "RV" was the number one movie in the nation. Put your battle flags down, as history has shown that pap will always win when it comes to media battles.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to debate with you, but I'm tired of pretending like I'm not arguing with a Philosophy 101 student who just thinks he walked out of the Cave.

I get a lot of flack from people like you and some others that center me out as this gradiose Nintendo fanboy. There is truth that I prefer the big N - grew up with them, have had great gameplay experiences, the whole nine yards. Worked for their street team a few years ago, did a Cube Club, and currently looking to head up to Seattle at some point to work there.

So you've got me. Really. You've pointed out that I prefer them, just like so many others before and after you. Congratulations on connecting the dots.

Meanwhile, you similarly dismiss the dozens of fanboy posts by others. People who make absolutely no attempt to hide their preference. Creating topics that are SOLELY meant to bash and SOLELY meant to attack one company over the other. There's anti everything.

You'd be hard pressed to find me acting like several other members around here, but it's comforting to you to know that you can single me out because I'm vohement and, frankly, "well known" on these boards (even if I somewhat cringe at the fact that my virtual persona outweighs whatever it is I am outside CAG). That said, you're just lumping yourself in with a bunch of other comments from people who like to drop labels.

The only - only - "propogandic" post you can find under my name is from two weeks ago with "Sony rips off Nintendo's controller." Beyond that, you'll find regular posts - reporting deals, helping people in the PC forum, a remarkable number of OTT posts, and general questions about shopping.

However, I challenge you to figure this out yourself. I forget if you're quoted in someone's sig as saying this, but it's easier for someone to be outraged than to find facts.

So I guess that means you're clueless AND a hypocrite, because you're denouncing people doing the same thing you are doing because a 10 second search would just be so below your lofty keyboard input.

Meanwhile there are people polluting threads with who sux OMFG and front page stories that bash console-repair efforts. The owner of this site himself runs around making running jokes at MS's expense, but this is waived because he shows up on XBL occassionally. There's moderators exercising authority on certain posters but not others, and in some cases, even encouraging said fanboy posts.

That is all fine and well. You can pretend you have a fucking clue, myke, because you wrap yourself up in a blanket of pseudo intellectualism, and frankly, a few people reinforce that notion in you.

The fact is that, yea, I have said in the past that 90% of what I post is a joke. Someone even suggested "everything you post is a joke." That's fine with me, because I have so little to prove and so little to gain on a fucking virtual message board. This is an internet tea party, and I could care less if you invite me or not to your exclusive table.

But someone telling me what I am is just ridiculous. You have no earthly clue, and you are throwing your weight around with what little notoriety you have, and assuming that's all the justification you need.

I did that in second grade, fucker. Second fucking grade.

So make all the posts you want where you decide what it is I'm doing. Say all the nonsense you want, let one or two people convince you that you're right, and then continue on your "I have a college degree even though I think I'm too good for it" merry little way.

Now then, perhaps you'd like to talk about videogames on a videogame site, instead of pretending you're an elite high wizard in the intelligentsia.
 
I make an entrance.

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Thank you. Thank you all very much.

Today I wanted to mention a few things regarding video games, video game industry, and the fierce competition. I would like to point out that I am unbiased. I have no preference for a video game system, and I do not make blanket statemens. My name is MarioColbert, and I tell it how it is: Sony is the best thing that has ever happened ever to the video game world.

Apart from bringing Final Fantasy to America with the first ever USA Final Fantasy title: Final Fantasy VII, Sony has also created wondorous rivalry between two major camps: PlayStation and Nintendo. Microsoft-supporting fans of Xbox attempted to join the feud, yet due to the abundance of spelling errors, floods of exclamation signs, and dated acronyms, they were banned to the forum all their own, where "XBOX RULZ LOL!!11" lives on to this day.

My first contention is a reminder: this is the Internet. This means that it's extremely important to each and every one of us whether:
a) people find your ascii to be more 'of a rainbow tint' than of general Halo /GTA players
b) people agree with you unanimously that the video game system supported by you is the best one there is
c) people know that the company that you support has never, ever, not even once EVER made a mistake in marketing, research, product delivery, and controller design.
d) everyone knows and understands the lack of bias present in internet forums, and they act mature and thoughtful about it.
e) mentions of N-Love, M$-Love, S-Love, and Depeche Mode are kept to a minimum and everyone is happy with everyone.

The importance of this first contention of mine defies the impact of Pearl Harbor, Korean War, and the new development of Jessica Simpson's and Nick's breakup. You see, what you say here are not just words, but they are the deciding factors in the fate of the videogame industry. Based on your predictions alone, the world will decide how many PlayStations Three Sony would sell. With that in mind, I think that Sony fans are not doing well enough. We need to remember: whoever gets the last word on the Internet wins. In other words, you need to go to every forum here, and post "PS3 WILL OUTSELL WII" at the end of every post. Because, you see, that _will_ make it happen.

People like Strell (if that is his real name) that embark on that N-Love thing... What do they know? Why are they so excited? Why do they seem to find solace in that they know more than an average person about video games? This "Strell" character is a member of anti-capitalist movement of Nintendo to steal the American market from our domestic Sony. He probably has a lot of different video game systems, and can spend hours talking about some ancient "classic" (which is another word for something lame that you have to respect only due to it's ancient age) like "A Boy and His Blob." That sort of rampant elitism is what makes a Nintendo fan what they are: a rampant elitist. Yes. Individually rampant.

The bottom line is this: It is a crime to show your love and excitement for Nintendo. People are making investments here, okay? And some of us have to shell out $600 on the day PS3 comes out, so don't expect us to take it kind to all of you pansy $250 "next generation." TWO HUDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS FOR THE NEXT GENERATION?

Please. My first sexual experience cost me more than that.


So cool it, "Strell." You can talk, sure. But we won't listen. And we won't care. As a matter of fact, I haven't even read your post. But I still laugh at all those dumb things that I am sure you said. Because in the very beginning you admitted to being a Nintendo "pansy." That's all I need to know. Like Osama Bin Laden: I only need to hear the name, and my mind is made.

Go home, Liberals. Listen to your perfect Hillary Clinton and go protest GTA. I'll be killing hookers on my PlayStation 3, and calling her your mother.
 
As much as I love nintendo, and as much as I admit to sony taking a few concepts from them, I always think sony pulls through and fairs much better than nintendo, they have the hardware & graphical capabilities I want, the games I want & I'm glad they reverted the controller back to the dual shock design...although I was looking forward to testing the "banana" controller, it didn't look bad to me.


...And you people writing a thesis about this really need to get a life!...
 
[quote name='Strell']I'd love to debate with you, but I'm tired of pretending like I'm not arguing with a Philosophy 101 student who just thinks he walked out of the Cave.

I get a lot of flack from people like you and some others that center me out as this gradiose Nintendo fanboy. There is truth that I prefer the big N - grew up with them, have had great gameplay experiences, the whole nine yards. Worked for their street team a few years ago, did a Cube Club, and currently looking to head up to Seattle at some point to work there.

So you've got me. Really. You've pointed out that I prefer them, just like so many others before and after you. Congratulations on connecting the dots.

Meanwhile, you similarly dismiss the dozens of fanboy posts by others. People who make absolutely no attempt to hide their preference. Creating topics that are SOLELY meant to bash and SOLELY meant to attack one company over the other. There's anti everything.

You'd be hard pressed to find me acting like several other members around here, but it's comforting to you to know that you can single me out because I'm vohement and, frankly, "well known" on these boards (even if I somewhat cringe at the fact that my virtual persona outweighs whatever it is I am outside CAG). That said, you're just lumping yourself in with a bunch of other comments from people who like to drop labels.

The only - only - "propogandic" post you can find under my name is from two weeks ago with "Sony rips off Nintendo's controller." Beyond that, you'll find regular posts - reporting deals, helping people in the PC forum, a remarkable number of OTT posts, and general questions about shopping.

However, I challenge you to figure this out yourself. I forget if you're quoted in someone's sig as saying this, but it's easier for someone to be outraged than to find facts.

So I guess that means you're clueless AND a hypocrite, because you're denouncing people doing the same thing you are doing because a 10 second search would just be so below your lofty keyboard input.

Meanwhile there are people polluting threads with who sux OMFG and front page stories that bash console-repair efforts. The owner of this site himself runs around making running jokes at MS's expense, but this is waived because he shows up on XBL occassionally. There's moderators exercising authority on certain posters but not others, and in some cases, even encouraging said fanboy posts.

That is all fine and well. You can pretend you have a fucking clue, myke, because you wrap yourself up in a blanket of pseudo intellectualism, and frankly, a few people reinforce that notion in you.

The fact is that, yea, I have said in the past that 90% of what I post is a joke. Someone even suggested "everything you post is a joke." That's fine with me, because I have so little to prove and so little to gain on a fucking virtual message board. This is an internet tea party, and I could care less if you invite me or not to your exclusive table.

But someone telling me what I am is just ridiculous. You have no earthly clue, and you are throwing your weight around with what little notoriety you have, and assuming that's all the justification you need.

I did that in second grade, fucker. Second fucking grade.

So make all the posts you want where you decide what it is I'm doing. Say all the nonsense you want, let one or two people convince you that you're right, and then continue on your "I have a college degree even though I think I'm too good for it" merry little way.

Now then, perhaps you'd like to talk about videogames on a videogame site, instead of pretending you're an elite high wizard in the intelligentsia.[/QUOTE]

The *facts* are Nintendo currently has marketshare well below Sony and Microsoft. The *facts* are (at least, according to the most recent EGM) that the top selling games for the past month (March or April - I don't know the lag and my copy went out with the recycle bin) included GTA: San Andreas (PS2 - #1) and Madden 2006 (PS2 - #2). The *facts* are that Tony Hawk is on its umpteenth iteration in every fucking console imaginable, including all next gen systems. The facts are there, and while I don't want you to be wrong, you're simply living in a world of denial. There's a reason that Phoenix Wright had a miniscule print run, and there's a reason that Guitar Hero was impossible to find early in its lifespan - nobody wants to take a chance on unproven properties and concepts. OTOH, proven properties are in abundance everywhere.

So, you want to lambast me as a hypocrite, well, there are just a handful of facts for you to chew on. Tell me, have you seen the updated release schedule for the Virtual Boy? It looks like this:

[quote name='Upcoming Virtual Boy Games']...[/quote]

Look, I wish you were right. If you were, I'd be trembling with the excitement of Shenmue III. God knows what other games would be coming out that I'd want to play. The facts that you seem to want to willfully ignore are that innovation doesn't pay, and tried and true formulas are oftentimes the way to success. These are commonalities, but that doesn't mean it's always true, of course.

You can take this as personally as you want to (and you certainly seem to want to), but I mean no malice. I'm not too fond of Sony controlling the market, as it's done some good, and some harm. In regards to the latter category, their flippant disdain for 2D games is more legend than myth, and we're missing out on a lot of excellent games as a result. While you want to assail me with numerous ad hominems, the facts are there despite how many underdog games we want to own and play.

I'd much prefer you explain to me, and you can include all the name-calling you want if you like, how you think that the next generation *won't* favor assembly-line pap that we've all played before in eleven different packages. The kids ain't really lining up to play "Odama," are they?
 
Facts! Now I can play with you guys a little!

Perhaps we differ differently on what is "well below" Microsoft, regarding hardware marketshare, but go ahead and site sources, any that you please.

Then we can move on the software sales, which I'll have for you shortly.

Courtesy Wikipedia:

Nintendo reported that as of January 2006 they have sold a total of 20.61 million Nintendo GameCube units worldwide

According to company documents, Microsoft has shipped 22 million consoles to retailers worldwide at the end of FY 2005.

Top 10 XBOX selling games (units)

Total: 30.18 M units

Top 10 Gamecube games sold

Total: 37.46 M Units

Triple Post (sorry)

Could someone explain to me why the SNES generation went so well, and yet this momentum did not carry over to the N64? Then furthermore, explain why Sony is guaranteed victory as if they were immune from failure, regardless of their decisions? Thanks.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart'] explain why Sony is guaranteed victory as if they were immune from failure, regardless of their decisions? Thanks.[/quote]



victory is never guaranteed...
 
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