Sony responds to Microsoft 'HD' announcement.....

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It's about time that Sony starts firing some salvo shots. From Kotaku......


Dave Karraker, senior director fo corporate communications for Sony Computer Entertainment America, shot me a response late last night to Microsoft's HD-DVD announcment in Japan.
"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer. Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content. Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box."
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While they may have a point about the storage difference between Blu-Ray and standard DVD, it becomes moot in the context of an argument based on a display resolution (1080p) that we won't see in games for another year or more, if ever.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']While they may have a point about the storage difference between Blu-Ray and standard DVD, it becomes moot in the context of an argument based on a display resolution (1080p) that we won't see in games for another year or more, if ever.[/quote]

Even if we did get 1080i (or p) on our video games in the near future, I would bet my money that most people still will not have an HDMI input-enabled TV, let alone a component video-enabled TV :p. Heck, so many people I talk to still do not know that you cannot get anything higher than 480i unless you have component cable input and HD resolution on the TV!

Like I always say, those numbers just sell systems, very much the same way high horse-powered FAMILY SEDANS get sold. Who the hell needs 250 horsepower on a family sedan when you got kids in the back!!!! But it sells, and that's the point.
 
Ironic that anyone from Sony should attack image quality, be it real 1080p or upscaled 1080p... seeing as how HD-DVD is pissing all over "superior" BD in quality at the moment.
 
I am sick of Sony spouting about 50GB discs. Has Sony even mass produced a 50GB BR disc yet? I didn't thinks so... Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
 
[quote name='spoo']I am sick of Sony spouting about 50GB discs. Has Sony even mass produced a 50GB BR disc yet? I didn't thinks so... Don't count your chickens before they hatch.[/QUOTE]

But theoretically they can...
 
I wonder if my DS does 1080p? Do those little DS cards hold 9GB or 50GB? This crap really amounts to nothing.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']But theoretically they can...[/QUOTE]

... As long as they're in a lab, which could be anywhere from a volcano to the arctic.;)

But I believe that they did finally get the 50GB discs to work but have not started shipping them for mass media production. Why? Certain companies (Samsung, Pioneer, and... Sony:lol:) are having trouble getting the 50GB discs to work on their current players- the ones that launched for $1000.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/29/blu-ray-camp-cant-get-50gb-titles-to-work/
 
[quote name='mykevermin']While they may have a point about the storage difference between Blu-Ray and standard DVD, it becomes moot in the context of an argument based on a display resolution (1080p) that we won't see in games for another year or more, if ever.[/QUOTE]
Except, the PS3 is already giving us our first 1080p game this fall--Virtua Tennis 3. Assuming, of course, that Sega wasn't lying. I also think the recently announced Gran Turismo HD (master of all kinds of wild flaming by now) has been touted for 1080p.
 
cant wait for 50gig discs and the l......o......a......d......i.....n......g screens that will accompany them. i'll get excited when they start filling up 9 gig discs
 
All Sony can do at this point is posture. They don't have a product on the shelf, its going to be $600, in short supply and many titles for the PS3 have been announced for the 360 (Assassin's Creed was the only reason that I was even considering a PS3). At this point, there is no reason for me (and likely many other gamers) to give a shit about Sony right now.

All they can do at this point is try and convince people that they have a better product by talking. They don't have anything else to do.

TBW
 
I'm confused... How is 1080p any different from 1080i with reguards to video games? The P and I refer to the refresh method of the display, what does that have to do with the games themselves? 1080 means its 19xx by 1080 in terms of pixels right? Then shouldn't the games just need textures apropriet to that resolution?
 
[quote name='gaelan']cant wait for 50gig discs and the l......o......a......d......i.....n......g screens that will accompany them. i'll get excited when they start filling up 9 gig discs[/QUOTE]
What was the speed the drives? I remember reading something online, slow reading speeds?

What ever happend to that rumor that a disk worked in only one ps3? (Im sure its false)
 
[quote name='Eastsidecracker']What was the speed the drives? I remember reading something online, slow reading speeds?

What ever happend to that rumor that a disk worked in only one ps3? (Im sure its false)[/quote]

just the sheer amount of data to read will be a challenge, but hopefully the people at sony have thought about that.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I'm confused... How is 1080p any different from 1080i with reguards to video games? The P and I refer to the refresh method of the display, what does that have to do with the games themselves? 1080 means its 19xx by 1080 in terms of pixels right? Then shouldn't the games just need textures apropriet to that resolution?[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, as it's to do with lines produced and in what manner.
 
Please compare any BD and any HD of the same title on the same screen. Tell me which looks better. Please compare the special features. Tell me what looks better. Blu Ray is almost a complete failure at this point. Check Amazon. The highest sold Blu Ray title would be ranked in the top 12 or 13 of any HD title. Disney, Sonys 'big' supported has released so much crap, and has announced all but crap. Where is the big guns? Toy Story? Lion King? Aladdin? No where, thats where.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Please compare any BD and any HD of the same title on the same screen. Tell me which looks better. Please compare the special features. Tell me what looks better. Blu Ray is almost a complete failure at this point. Check Amazon. The highest sold Blu Ray title would be ranked in the top 12 or 13 of any HD title. Disney, Sonys 'big' supported has released so much crap, and has announced all but crap. Where is the big guns? Toy Story? Lion King? Aladdin? No where, thats where.[/quote]

Yes, because it just doesn't make perfect sense that most people are waiting to use their PS3 as a Blu-ray player rather than buy a stand-alone player.

The 360 fanboy board is three doors down.
 
[quote name='limelicker']Yes, because it just doesn't make perfect sense that most people are waiting to use their PS3 as a Blu-ray player rather than buy a stand-alone player.

The 360 fanboy board is three doors down.[/quote]Knocking Blu-ray = 360 fanboy? Crap, guess I'm one too, and I don't even own a 360.
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']Knocking Blu-ray = 360 fanboy? Crap, guess I'm one too, and I don't even own a 360.[/QUOTE]

I knock Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. You know what that means? REALITY IS IMPLODING UPON ITSELF!!!!!!!
 
[quote name='furyk']I knock Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. You know what that means? REALITY IS IMPLODING UPON ITSELF!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Nah... you're just a Wii fanboy by limelickers logic. :D
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']Knocking Blu-ray = 360 fanboy? Crap, guess I'm one too, and I don't even own a 360.[/quote]

You didn't post anything other than one post about 'flinging shit'. I didn't take that as a Blu-ray knock. I was referring to the specific post that I quoted.

Sorry if you misunderstood and thought I was making a statement about your 'flinging shit' post. :)
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Please compare any BD and any HD of the same title on the same screen. Tell me which looks better. Please compare the special features. Tell me what looks better. [/QUOTE]

Too bad you can't do that since they have different movie studios supporting them. :D
 
[quote name='limelicker']Yes, because it just doesn't make perfect sense that most people are waiting to use their PS3 as a Blu-ray player rather than buy a stand-alone player.

The 360 fanboy board is three doors down.[/quote]

Boy oh boy will they be disappointed with a crappy player.
 
[quote name='secretvampire'][quote name='rodeojones903']Too bad you can't do that since they have different movie studios supporting them. :D[/QUOTE]
Wrong. There are some studios supporting both formats and releasing the same titles on both formats.[/QUOTE]

I bet he didn't see that one coming.:lol:
 
[quote name='limelicker']You didn't post anything other than one post about 'flinging shit'. I didn't take that as a Blu-ray knock. I was referring to the specific post that I quoted.

Sorry if you misunderstood and thought I was making a statement about your 'flinging shit' post. :)[/quote]No, what I'm saying is that I hate Blu-ray and completely agree with gizmogc. So, for hating Blu-ray and publicly discrediting it, I am a 360 fanboy.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']No, what I'm saying is that I hate Blu-ray and completely agree with gizmogc. So, for hating Blu-ray and publicly discrediting it, I am a 360 fanboy.

Makes perfect sense to me.[/quote]

You said that, not me. Drawing some pretty large assumptions. I never said that if you didn't like the format, you are automatically a 360 fanboy. I said the specific person I responded to was a fanboy IMO. If you want to lump yourself into something, that's fine. You don't need me to do that for you.
 
[quote name='limelicker']You said that, not me. Drawing some pretty large assumptions. I never said that if you didn't like the format, you are automatically a 360 fanboy. I said the specific person I responded to was a fanboy IMO. If you want to lump yourself into something, that's fine. You don't need me to do that for you.[/quote]So by agreeing 100% with what he said, enough so that I would have said the same thing myself, I'm not automatically and arbitrarily thrown into a category by you?

Whew, good thing we're all on the same page.
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']So by agreeing 100% with what he said, enough so that I would have said the same thing myself, I'm not automatically and arbitrarily thrown into a category by you?

Whew, good thing we're all on the same page.[/quote]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']Whew, good thing we're all on the same page.[/quote]

Agreed. You post background doesn't resemble his in any way. Glad we could come to a consensus.
 
[quote name='the ender']It's fun to watch limelicker backpedal.[/quote]

Yeah, not sure what Z's issue was. He said we have common ground at this point, so I'm going to assume he finally figured out that I wasn't calling him an fanboy, but rather the person I responded to initially.

Either way, it doesn't really matter. The PS3 and Blu-ray are going to be around for a long period of time as will the HD-DVD format. Most people will be purchasing DVD's for awhile as well. It will take awhile for the market to evolve.
 
[quote name='zewone']http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/trainingday.html[/quote]

Yeah, that's an interesting article. It basically gives the slight nod to HD-DVD, but notes that the Blu-ray quality will be improved once the 50 GB discs become available. So it's basically a wash.

Most likely, the battle for the format will come down to marketing because the quality of the technologies is nearly identical when push comes to shove.
 
limelicker, I'll cut the sarcasm.
We're not on the same page.

I never once thought you were accusing me of being a fanboy. What I was accusing you of is somewhat of a double standard, labeling gizmogc as 360 fanboy and me not when we essentially have the same views on HD-DVD and Blu-ray. Now, if you were calling him a fanboy from some previous discussion or whatnot, then fine, but if not, then why am not being touted as a 360 fanboy?

That's what you've not been getting this whole darn page.
 
[quote name='limelicker']Yes, because it just doesn't make perfect sense that most people are waiting to use their PS3 as a Blu-ray player rather than buy a stand-alone player.

The 360 fanboy board is three doors down.[/QUOTE]

Great idea so then when your PS3 breaks or has problems your out a video game system AND a dvd player...sweet! HAAHABHABHBAH
 
[quote name='Daddy']Great idea so then when your PS3 breaks or has problems your out a video game system AND a dvd player...sweet! HAAHABHABHBAH[/quote]

You're going to run into that problem no matter what you do. It's a part of technology. If you're buying a product and assuming it will break, you probably shouldn't buy that product or should make sure you have a warranty for it.

FWIW.....I used my Playstation 2 for my main DVD player for as long as I've had it. It's worked really well and I expect to do the same thing with the PS3. I have other DVD players, so it's not like it was my exclusive video player. I would agree with your assessment ONLY if that was your only media player. My guess is that most people that drop money on a next gen system already have at least one other DVD player.
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, Blu-ray players don't play DVDs, right?[/quote]

I honestly don't know that. My assumption is that they do not. My plan has always been to hook my DVD player or my PS2 up to the same media center if DVD play is not supported by the PS3.
 
I would only assume that they would play DVDs as they are backwards compatible with the PS2 which has 99% DVD games. However, that doesn't necissarily mean they'll enclude the decoder for DVD movies.

My question is will they upconvert DVds to 1080i?
 
[quote name='Kayden']I would only assume that they would play DVDs as they are backwards compatible with the PS2 which has 99% DVD games. However, that doesn't necissarily mean they'll enclude the decoder for DVD movies.[/quote]True, so it could.
 
Last i've heard blu-ray players can play dvd movies fine. Also one of the advantages to blu-ray over HD DVD is reduced loading times.

I don't remember the specifics off hand but it has to do with the blue laser. It can read data at a much faster rate reducing loading times.

Now I am still waiting to see this first hand myself before I make any opinions.
 
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