Sony says PSP is "the fastest selling console ever"

[quote name='jkam']So as long as Sony gives you things your willing to listen to their constant bullshit? Nintendo has given us a few nice freebies...maybe not as many but the Zelda Collector's Edition is pretty top notch in my book. I'm still not sure what that has to do with Sony talking crap.

I like Sony when it comes to their games but they run at the mouth way too much. I own a PS2 and a PSP but they just act like little kids when it comes to promoting their systems. I'm even not bashing Sony per say just their promotion tactics.[/quote]That’s only 1% of the reason. The biggest reason I support Sony is because they have BETTER first party games than Nintendo IMO. IMO, Nintendo’s original president in Japan was WAY worse than Sony, running his mouth.

[quote name='pimpinc333']I have both and am a fan of both Sony and Nintendo. Here is what I usually post when a topic like this comes up.

Bought both of these handhelds at launch. I have played probably 15 hours on my PSP total since I bought it a year+ ago. DS is really fun. I play it a lot more then I do my PSP. Personally, I really don't care about the graphics the PSP sports. Sure the PSP is nice looking but when I'm playing a game most of the fast moving objects have a ghosting image on them. ( Is it just me that notice's this? ) [/quote]At least the PSP was actually bright from the beginning, until Nintendo released the DS Lite.

Also the analog stick. IMO they should have done it right by putting 2 Analog Sticks on the system. Personally I would rather have none then just 1 that teases you.
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At least there IS an analog stick. Many games I’ve played on PSP, I just can’t imagine using a D-pad with. Part of the reason 3-D games will never work well on DS, unless they heavily depend upon the stylus, is because there’s no analog control. Many PS1 games didn’t even use a second analog stick, so that’s partially why Sony thought it might not be needed. I do guarantee that if Sony could make one change to the PSP right now, it would have been to add another analog stick, but even I’m thinking they might not have known it would have helped out more.

[quote name='Vinny']I think the guy meant that... while the PSP usually gets ports of PS2-ish games, the DS actually gets newer stuff. Sure DoS isn't an original concept but it is an original title. But what do we get on the PSP? 90% of the stuff is basically feels like ports with a new level or two. [/quote]Most of the great stuff on DS is sequels to newer games also.

Hey, I love my DS way more than my PSP. I'll admit it.
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I’ve known that for a long time, but I’ve always preferred my PSP, although I’ve had a DS longer. Why is that, DS games just don’t hold my attention for longer than 10 minutes. With the PSP, it’s impossible for me to want to play a game for less than 10 minutes. Most games I play, I play for around an hour.

[quote name='jer7583']The bottom line is the PSP gets more dumbed down straight up ports from the PS2.[/quote]That’s stupid, because take a look at the DS version of games like Burnout Legends, Cars, many multi-platform sports games, etc. The PSP version might be dumbed down, but at least it’s relatively close to the console counterpart, and not a completely crappy game that’s nothing like the console counterpart. I’m just trying to prove that games mostly made for consoles, are normally dumbed down, regardless of platform.

[quote name='Roufuss']Does nobody seem to remember the GBA was a fucking port machine? Where was everyone back then ragging on Nintendo?[/QUOTE]That’s true, because that’s all the GBA had for a very long time. SNES ports were dumbed down too for GBA. They might have looked better, but the sound quality took a hit and the GBA had fewer buttons compared to the SNES. Games like Tales of Phantasia, Final Fantasy IV, Earthworm Jim, etc. come to mind.
[quote name='Vinny']But DS games also cost less so I don't exactly expect a colossal experience. As long as the game is good and lasts what I feel is enough, it works for me.[/QUOTE]They might be less, but how often do DS games price drop? I rarely see them drop, compared to PSP games, where I bought the majority of my games for $20. Also, although PSP games are more, I consider the quality of many of the games to be much higher, where they last a long longer and are closer to the console experience; therefore, some of the games are definitely worth the price.
 
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At least the PSP was actually bright from the beginning, until Nintendo released the DS.

SNES ports were dumbed down too for GBA. They might have looked better, but the sound quality took a hit and the GBA had fewer buttons compared to the SNES. Games like Tales of Phantasia, Final Fantasy IV, Earthworm Jim, etc. come to mind.

They might be less, but how often do DS games price drop? I rarely see them drop, compared to PSP games, where I bought the majority of my games for $20. Also, although PSP games are more, I consider the quality of many of the games to be much higher, where they last a long longer and are closer to the console experience; therefore, some of the games are definitely worth the price.[/QUOTE]

Well, you can chalk the light brightness thing up to the GB coming out in...1989? So I guess I have to allow for some leeway for being 16 years ahead of the competition. Not to mention that the screen on the PSP destroys any possibility of long term battery life, where as the DS trumps it. I guess what you are trying to say is the DS vs the PSP situation, the PSP was bright. Well, the DS was too. ... Hmmm, so I can't see any kind of discernable point here. I think what you are trying to say is the brightness was "fixed" with the Lite, which is a ludicrous statement to begin with, but you just said DS, so I don't know what you are trying to make a point of.

SNES ports dumbed down? Why would you pick an RPG when most RPGs use 1-2 buttons at most? You had the perfect chance to make a valid point by picking a game like, say, Street Fighter, but then didn't. Something that requires more buttons. I can't speak for Tales since I haven't tried it yet, but it can't be too far off. And before anyone says it, I'm well aware you run with L/R in FFIV, but even that is so cursory and underutilized, NOT to mention that the GBA has more than enough buttons to handle that anyway.

Price drops are a non-issue for the most part because games for the DS are cheaper to begin with. I agree that I'd like to see cheaper games on the system, but when a first party title runs me 30-40 (sometimes as low as 20) on the DS versus 40-50 on the PSP, I gotta start thinking the advantage is out the door, not 6 months later. And while I think this is a weak point, it helps that the DS has a few games that can be played endlessly - Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Metroid Hunters, and Tetris DS all come to mind.

And while we're at it, there's plenty of long games on the DS. I dunno if you people aren't buying games like Phoenix Wright and Trauma Center, but there's several games long enough to last you a while. Metroid Pinball? No. Mario and Luigi? Yes.
 
Personally I like the PSP fine. It's just that I've never cared for any of Sony's first party intellectual property games, the load times are relatively ridiculous due to UMDs being a horrible format, the PSPs "extra features" (movies, music, ROMs) are mostly dependent on either plunking down a decent chunk of change for a memory stick or rebuying what we potentially already own on the UMD format. Plus, I feel like durablity is an issue with the PSP.

Nintendo, on the other hand, had a decent system out of the gate still with some issues with screen light that are much less important then they were made out to be. It does suck that they put out another system about a year after the original rather then delaying the launch for a while, but I'd certainly re-buy a PSP if it had a built in internal memory, better battery life, or even felt less like I was going to break the damn thing.

Roufuss is right on one side of the ports issue. If the games were all ports of relatively rare games or things that have been out of print for a while, I think we'd all be fine with it. I'm chomping at the bit to finally play VP and would love to see someone port over Suidoken I and II. The problem with the whole ports argument is that most of the ports are games we didn't necessairly want portable. For every Daxter, Twisted Metal, or Wipeout Pure, we've got a NBA Street Showdown, Smackdown vs Raw 2006, or a Star Wars Battlefront 2. None of those games are bad, it's just that there's no real demand for them portable especially when their console brothers typically have better load times, more features, and drop in price faster. That's the main difference with the GBA ports and the PSP ports. We hadn't seen Super Mario World in years, not to mention RPGs that don't focus on cut scenes.

Oh and Metroid Pinball lasted me a solid two months. I was in love with that game despite it being to "beat it" in under an hour. Additions to great original DS games that haven't been mentioned are: Feel the Magic XX/XY, Jump Superstars, Polarium, Meteos, and Lost Magic. Sure when the DS games are a failure, they're typically a collasal failure. It's just that besides Lumines, Daxter, and maybe Mega Man Powered Up, I don't see any games that will be looked back at five to ten years from now and held up as eternal classics. With the DS, I see at least ten games right now that way.
 
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At least the PSP was actually bright from the beginning, until Nintendo released the DS Lite.
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True. I really didn't think the DS's Screen Brightness was bad at all until I got my DSlite. I'm sure Sony would have had a brighter screen but they were tring to do everything possible to extend the battery life.
 
I really didn't want this to turn into a PSP vs. DS vs N-Gage (Kidding...) thread. However, for the record, I own both a PSP and DS. I have roughly 20 games for the DS, and 15 for the PSP.

While I do enjoy both systems, I play the DS waaaaaaaaaay more. The PSP handles more like a console, and I don't care to play console games, on a handheld, with really weird controls. As much as I enjoyed Tomb Raider for Xbox, Id NEVER buy it for PSP. I don't use my PSP for MP3s (Does anyone? There so damn cheap to buy anyway), and rarley for movies.
 
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I never thought a quote by Sony that the PSP was their fastest selling console ever would cause so much controversy. It's not fastest of all consoles, just Sony. Somebody heard wrong and ran with it. It's too bad the OP can't provide a link to try to solve this furious debate.
 
uhh if this is from their buisness report than isnt for investment purposes..i mean most of investment reports like a 10k or 5k usually are done to show future investors how strong their company is. if they say that then its most likley to attract investors and thats about it....i mean nintendo owns the handheld world like ipod owns the mp3 world. they outsell everything and everybody in the handlheld biz. seriously i would think even the sony guys have to know what they are up against when entering the handheld market...
all in all its a marketing ploy to attract would be investors to the company...
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Well, DS games only cost a little less... most Nintendo 1st party games average for $34.99, most PSP games go for $39.99. The days of a $49.99 PSP game are over, I believe, I think that little project failed miserable. And using CAG none of us should pay more then $30 for any handheld game anyways ;)

Burnout Legends is actually REALLY good on PSP... it's the DS one that completely sucks :D Alot of developers have really nailed down load times, as well, I don't think I've experienced a game recently that had insane loading times.[/QUOTE]

True, DS games aren't that much cheaper and as Samurai T pointed out, they rarely drop in price (and in many cases, tend to sell out). But you bring up another one of my points, because the DS is weaker... companies actually have to try to get their console ports to work. Whereas on the PSP, they just recode the PS2 and charge you $40-$50 for it.:p
 
[quote name='Strell']Well, you can chalk the light brightness thing up to the GB coming out in...1989? So I guess I have to allow for some leeway for being 16 years ahead of the competition. Not to mention that the screen on the PSP destroys any possibility of long term battery life, where as the DS trumps it. I guess what you are trying to say is the DS vs the PSP situation, the PSP was bright. Well, the DS was too. ... Hmmm, so I can't see any kind of discernable point here. I think what you are trying to say is the brightness was "fixed" with the Lite, which is a ludicrous statement to begin with, but you just said DS, so I don't know what you are trying to make a point of. [/quote]I mentioned brightness because the GB screen was nearly impossible to see, especially in the dark, unless a crappy light boy was purchased. Nintendo still never added a backlight for the GB Pocket, GB Color, and original GBA. They finally added a front light for the GB SP, which made it a little better, but it’s still not easy to see in the dark. Because of this, that’s most of the reason I continued to play my Sega Nomad and Game Gear more, because they had a decent backlight. I rather sacrifice some battery life, which usually isn’t a problem with me, to have a screen I can actually see.

Has battery life ever become an issue for me on a handheld? No, I don’t think so. I’ve never had problems with my DS battery or PSP battery running out. It’s just that people these days are too stupid not to put their stuff on a charger, every time they finish playing. That’s what I do with ALL my electronics, and the problem solved.

SNES ports dumbed down? Why would you pick an RPG when most RPGs use 1-2 buttons at most? You had the perfect chance to make a valid point by picking a game like, say, Street Fighter, but then didn't. Something that requires more buttons. I can't speak for Tales since I haven't tried it yet, but it can't be too far off. And before anyone says it, I'm well aware you run with L/R in FFIV, but even that is so cursory and underutilized, NOT to mention that the GBA has more than enough buttons to handle that anyway.
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I picked SNES RPGs because the soundtrack was terrific on the SNES. On GBA, it sounds like crap. Even the best sound quality games on GBA couldn't hold a candle to SNES games sound.Oh course, games that were really dumbed down were Earthworm Jim, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear (although never an SNES game), SFA3, etc. IMO, Nintendo should have included four face buttons in the first place, just like how people said Sony should have included a 2nd analog stick on a PSP.

Price drops are a non-issue for the most part because games for the DS are cheaper to begin with. I agree that I'd like to see cheaper games on the system, but when a first party title runs me 30-40 (sometimes as low as 20) on the DS versus 40-50 on the PSP, I gotta start thinking the advantage is out the door, not 6 months later. And while I think this is a weak point, it helps that the DS has a few games that can be played endlessly - Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Metroid Hunters, and Tetris DS all come to mind.
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There are NO $50 released on PSP anymore, so I don’t know what you’re thinking. The majority of PSP games now are $30-$40. Tetris is a good game, but not worth anything more than $20. Neither is Metroid Prime Hunters. I bought New Super Mario Bros. for $26 new, and I even feel that was too much. I paid $32 for Daxter and it was definitely worth the price So basically, even if I was paying full price, I rather pay $40 for a Daxter, than $35 for New Super Mario Bros.

[quote name='gizmogc']I really didn't want this to turn into a PSP vs. DS vs N-Gage (Kidding...) thread. However, for the record, I own both a PSP and DS. I have roughly 20 games for the DS, and 15 for the PSP.

While I do enjoy both systems, I play the DS waaaaaaaaaay more. The PSP handles more like a console, and I don't care to play console games, on a handheld, with really weird controls. As much as I enjoyed Tomb Raider for Xbox, Id NEVER buy it for PSP. I don't use my PSP for MP3s (Does anyone? There so damn cheap to buy anyway), and rarley for movies.[/QUOTE]I would never get Tomb Raider Legend for PSP, but there are already 50+ other good PSP games, out of over 120 out that are worth getting to me.

[quote name='furyk'] Personally I like the PSP fine. It's just that I've never cared for any of Sony's first party intellectual property games, the load times are relatively ridiculous due to UMDs being a horrible format, the PSPs "extra features" (movies, music, ROMs) are mostly dependent on either plunking down a decent chunk of change for a memory stick or rebuying what we potentially already own on the UMD format. Plus, I feel like durablity is an issue with the PSP.[/quote]I find Sony’s first party intellectual to be excellent. I personally like the UMD format, because it makes it more difficult to scratch disc (with it’s protective case) and the quality of the soundtrack in games, is CD quality, which sounds like something I’d hear on CD/DVD based consoles. Also, the other good thing about UMDs is that games have to be saved to a memory stick. The biggest problem I have on a DS is, games are saved on a cart. If I were to borrow a game or rent one, I'd have to start from the VERY beginning, unlike just continuing from where I left on, on PSP. Also, I can download game saves to the memory stick, so I don't have to waste my time unlocking every single thing in some games, because I don't have the time to do it in every game I play (some games, I just like playing for fun, like some racers).

It's just that besides Lumines, Daxter, and maybe Mega Man Powered Up, I don't see any games that will be looked back at five to ten years from now and held up as eternal classics. With the DS, I see at least ten games right now that way.
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I see myself going back to Daxter, Mega Man Powered Up, Mega Man Maverick Hunter X, Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Acid 2, Me & My Katamari, Ridge Racer, WipEout Pure, Gradius Collection, Twisted Metal Head On. Hot Shots Golf Open Tee, Lumines, Darkstalkers Chronicle and more. I definitely see more than 5 games I’ll go back to. I list most of these games, because I’ve gone back to previous installments of a few, before on other platforms.

Don’t get me wrong anyone, I own a DS and like it too (It’s my 3rd platform of choice right now, after PS2 and PSP). But the thing is, I really wanted a DS badly, but I was slightly disappointed in it. I eventually bought a PSP (I was originally going to try to stay away from one) and ended up really liking it more than I had anticipated. Now, after having both handhelds sit next to each other, I normally choose to play PSP over DS. Enjoying it more caused me to own 18 PSP games (traded none) vs. 6 DS games (traded two). A DS Lite will probably make me feel better about the DS (because the dark screen does bug me), but I’m saving up for an Xbox 360. If I had the money, I'd definitely get one and would probably like the DS a lot more (maybe just as much, if not more than the PSP). The DS has actually been my best Nintendo performing handheld though, so that does make me happy. However, I will admit, I want Final Fantasy III on DS, more than ANY PSP game.

I'm finished with the argument, because people here already get which I prefer.
 
Background on me: The first handheld I ever owned, I got for my birthday in 2002... the original GBA (not the SP). With it, I got Super Mario Advance (the Super Mario World one, I can't remember if it's SMA1 or SMA2) and Metroid Fusion. I played the damn thing for about a week, trying desperately to see the screen. I even bought one of those add-on lights, and finally gave up. In all, I played for 87 minutes in Metroid before giving up, and I barely played Mario at all.

A couple years later, I bought a PSP the very first day it came out, with 3 games: Lumines, Untold Legends, and Wipeout. I played all 3 of them until Smartbomb came out, then bought that. I continued playing for about 2 weeks, until I realized that I was finished playing those games, and wanted something else... but nothing else came out... for another year or so. In that time, I actually went the hacking route with the PSP to try to get more out of it. I spent $110 for a 1gb Memory Stick Pro so I could put a SNES emulator with a bunch of roms on it, and even a couple episodes of TV shows I watch reguarly. That lasted for about 2 weeks. After that, I essentially gave up any hope of EVER playing a handheld. Getting burned on $200 for a GBA is one thing, but getting burned by a $400 PSP is another.

When the DS came out, I laughed. I grew up as a Nintendo fanboy, but after the N64 and GameCube debacles, I figured they were done-for. I saw the DS as a pathetic gimmick by a second-rate company to milk their franchises for another few pennies. Needless to say, I did not purchase one.

Since I grew up on Mario, I was excited to play the New Super Mario Bros. game on the DS, but first, I had to talk myself out of my Nintendo-loathing state, which literally took about a month. Finally, my wife (who in 2002 bought me the GBA) told me that it was only $150 and that I shouldn't worry too much about it, since we afford it, if all the other games suck. So, I had to suck up my pride and anger towards Nintendo (after letting me down since 1996...) and bought a DS Lite along with NSMB.

I'm glad I did, because now, I actually have hope that Nintendo can pull off a new controlling method for the Revolution (sorry, I hate the name Wii). After NSMB, I bought Big Brain Academy and Brain Age. I like both of them, but I'm glad they were only $20. Shortly thereafter (like, last Monday), my wife bought Animal Crossing so she would have something to play. I finished NSMB, and am still playing Big Brain Academy and Brain Age on a daily basis, but I needed something else to play... fortunately, I still had Metroid Fusion, so I played through that. I just bought Zelda: The Minish Cap, and borrowed Final Fantasy I & II, along with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance from a friend of mine, and I'm about half-way through Zelda, then I'm starting FFTA.

Having established my credentials as neither a Sony fanboy or a Nintendo fanboy, I can honestly say that I haven't played my PSP since mid-2005. In all, I've found about 5 games on the PSP that are worth playing, and I don't even own a couple of them (Daxter, for one). So far, I can count 7 or 8 DS games that I either own and like, or have read good reviews of and want to purchase. That's not counting the GBA library, which is now open to me. Counting those games, I have a list of about 15-20, or possibly more, games that I'm intending on purchasing in the next month (yes, I have a good job). So, when I read a statement like this:

I would never get Tomb Raider Legend for PSP, but there are already 50+ other good PSP games, out of over 120 out that are worth getting to me.
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I have to wonder, WHERE THE fuckING HELL ARE THESE 50+ GAMES?!?!?!?!?! I've had a $250 PAPERWEIGHT on my desk at home for OVER A YEAR! I have the money, and can afford any game you suggest, but thus far, the only games I've seen in this ENTIRE thread that I'd even CONSIDER buying for the PSP are Daxter and MAYBE Field Commander, and even those, I'm only "eh" about. Give me, right now, the PSP's killer apps. My DS has NSMB, Brain Age, the Final Fantasy GBA series, Advance Wars: Dual Strike, and Meteos, but my PSP has been languishing in my office for a year. Where are the brain games, or the RPG's, or strategy games? Where are the games for people with an IQ of over 140?

By the way, in the interest of full disclosure, I felt the same way about my Xbox 360 in January... until Fight Night Round 3, GRAW, and Oblivion came out.
 
[quote name='Omatsei']I have to wonder, WHERE THE fuckING HELL ARE THESE 50+ GAMES?!?!?!?!?! I've had a $250 PAPERWEIGHT on my desk at home for OVER A YEAR! I have the money, and can afford any game you suggest, but thus far, the only games I've seen in this ENTIRE thread that I'd even CONSIDER buying for the PSP are Daxter and MAYBE Field Commander, and even those, I'm only "eh" about. Give me, right now, the PSP's killer apps. My DS has NSMB, Brain Age, the Final Fantasy GBA series, Advance Wars: Dual Strike, and Meteos, but my PSP has been languishing in my office for a year. Where are the brain games, or the RPG's, or strategy games? Where are the games for people with an IQ of over 140?

By the way, in the interest of full disclosure, I felt the same way about my Xbox 360 in January... until Fight Night Round 3, GRAW, and Oblivion came out.[/QUOTE]Check my post here, where I list all the PSP games out, 2 weeks ago. That list doesn't include 7 new PSP games released last week and this week.

By reading your post, I can tell you have a narrow mind. I'm comparing the actual DS and PSP games individually. GBA does not count here in comparing, because it basically had no competition so it got all the third party handheld games.

To base games on reviews is stupid most of the time, because the majority of my favorite games over the years got bad reviews. Heck, my favorite DS game (Mega Man Battle Network: Double Team) got horrible reviews, and if I listened to them, I wouldn't be owning it and would play my DS a lot less.

However, since you already made up your mind that the PSP is a $250 paperweight, then you're not going to like much on the list. When people normally make up their mind about not liking something, around 90% of the time, they won't, no matter how good the game is.

Uh, I should have kept my big mouth shut, after what this thread has turned into. :(
 
[quote name='PhoenixT']This can be tracked by repurchases from various companies. If you sell a larget batch of inital units and there are no reorders you can tell from that trend that your units are not moving off the shelves fast enough so demand is low for you particular item. You don't need to know how many each retailer is selling to find out this data you can get it from the purchase orders they place with you. That being said the information you guys are saying they are gathering is nice to know I suppose if nothing else for a PR standpoint. As I already admited before this post that if they track this great! The last manufacturing company "I" worked for Maytag didn't it wasnt pertinent information and they had no system in place to track a product past its point of sale which for them was the retailer.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't work that way for game consoles due to the software element. Imagine how different Maytag's business would be if their primary source of net revenue was from selling laundry soap and fabric softener sheets with the washers and dryers just being the platform for selling soap and sheets.

And while large appliances are targeted for theft, game consoles are far more attractive since several can easily arried off by a single person. Petty theft looms much larger while most large appliance theft is organized crime. This is a large incentive for the tracking of unit sales by serial number. Not only for prevention of retail theft but also home burglaries. A surprising number of juvenile prosecutions are for items like game consoles. A successful prosecution raise the probability the kid will figure out he never wants to see the inside of a jail again.

An incident during the SNES' first US Xmas made Nintendo get serious about this. Up until then the primary item in big video game heists were the games themselves. By weight and volume they were far more valuable and easy to fence. But the SNES was in such demand that entire truckloads went missing. NOA obviously didn't like that.

You might have heard about the theft of a DS Lite shipment from Hong Kong recently. I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo has records that can link every DS serial number to its MAC address. If any of those stolen DS Lites tries to play online, Nintendo will know and have a good idea of the physical location by the IP address. Whether they will simply ban all of those units or try to track them back through the chain oillicit sales back tot he theives remains to be seen.

Of course, there's a good chance that the operation was run by some Red Army general and Nintendo is compeltely out of luck on catching anyone. In that case all they can do is ban.
 
[quote name='Samurai T']Check my post here, where I list all the PSP games out, 2 weeks ago. That list doesn't include 7 new PSP games released last week and this week.

By reading your post, I can tell you have a narrow mind. I'm comparing the actual DS and PSP games individually. GBA does not count here in comparing, because it basically had no competition so it got all the third party handheld games.

To base games on reviews is stupid most of the time, because the majority of my favorite games over the years got bad reviews. Heck, my favorite DS game (Mega Man Battle Network: Double Team) got horrible reviews, and if I listened to them, I wouldn't be owning it and would play my DS a lot less.

However, since you already made up your mind that the PSP is a $250 paperweight, then you're not going to like much on the list. When people normally make up their mind about not liking something, around 90% of the time, they won't, no matter how good the game is.

Uh, I should have kept my big mouth shut, after what this thread has turned into. :([/quote]

First, I'm not comparing DS games to PSP games, I'm comparing the DS system to the PSP system. For what I use it for (playing games), the DS beats the PSP hands-down.

Second, I do check reviews, because I've been burned (see my note about Smartbomb). If you don't, cool, whatever, have fun, I hope you never spend $50 on a crappy game. I don't know how you'll avoid it for long though, unless you don't buy many games. Also, I don't share your taste in games (no offense). In your list, there were a few that I had forgotten about, like Ys, but still nowhere near as many promising titles as I see that I can play on my DS. (By the way, I can't imagine buying anything electronic without checking reviews first. Games, hardware, TV's, whatever... For games, I always check the gamerankings.com rank. For anything else, I check Cnet, PC World, Maximum PC, or Epinions. If I didn't, I can't imagine how much money I would have flushed down the toilet.)

Finally, I still have my PSP... I'm not getting rid of it anytime soon. I might even get Field Commander and/or LocoRoco. Judging by Gamerankings.com (I only seriously consider things ranked over 70%), I might even try Syphon Filter and Daxter. I'll have to look into those. For the DS, I'm looking forward to Final Fantasy III and Zelda. Going by Gamerankings, I might pick up Castlevania (not sure though, since the last one I played and liked was Castlevania 2 for the NES), Advance Wars, Meteos, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, and Trace Memory.

You seem to like more action-oriented games on your handheld, with a particular fondness towards racing. For me, racing is especially bad on a handheld, given that I'm usually in a car when I'm playing it (and racing just feels kinda weird when you're in a car... to me, anyway). I prefer games that require me to think... I like RPG's, strategies, simulations, puzzle games, etc. To me, all of those games can be quickly paused or turned off without fear of screwing anything up as soon as I come back to them. I have to "get into the groove" for serious action or racing, which is why I play those on my PS2 or 360.

I'm not a fanboy of any company (although I will admit that of the next-gen consoles, the one I'm least likely to get is the PS3, simply because I don't think I can justify spending $600 on a console). Of all 3 companies, I'd say I prefer Microsoft's approach this generation, but my curiosity is peaked about Nintendo. Sony is trying for the high-end gamer, which would be me, but unfortunately, the only games they've shown that I'd pay for are MGS4 and FFXIII. Believe me, that sucks because I actually do have a 1080p 42" LCD that I'd love to get some 1080p content for... and the PS3 seems to be the only thing in the next year that might (and that's a BIG "might") justify its cost.
 
[quote name='Omatsei']You seem to like more action-oriented games on your handheld, with a particular fondness towards racing. For me, racing is especially bad on a handheld, given that I'm usually in a car when I'm playing it (and racing just feels kinda weird when you're in a car... to me, anyway). I prefer games that require me to think... I like RPG's, strategies, simulations, puzzle games, etc. To me, all of those games can be quickly paused or turned off without fear of screwing anything up as soon as I come back to them. I have to "get into the groove" for serious action or racing, which is why I play those on my PS2 or 360.[/quote]Take a look at my game collection, within my sig (check my earlier post in this thread) and you'll notice 25% of my entire collection is RPGs, since that's the genre I like most. The reason my PSP is doing well for racers, is because Ridge Racer is the best Ridge Racer I ever played and WipEout Pure is the best WipEout game I played. The best Ridge Racer and WipEout cannot be found on PS2 (Yes, I own RRV and WipEout Fusion). Mostly, my PSP does well because of SCE's games, the Mega Man remakes, Daxter, Metal Gear Acid 1 & 2 (They are strategy games), Hot Shots Golf Open Tee, PoPoLoCrois, some racing games, etc. I love RPGs and all, but the DS does not have a good one out in "NA" yet. Many will try to tell me to get Mario & Luigi 2, but the game has a few of my biggest gripes with an RPG (Too much button timing, low HP numbers, un-appealing story to me, etc.).

I'm not a fanboy of any company (although I will admit that of the next-gen consoles, the one I'm least likely to get is the PS3, simply because I don't think I can justify spending $600 on a console). Of all 3 companies, I'd say I prefer Microsoft's approach this generation, but my curiosity is peaked about Nintendo. Sony is trying for the high-end gamer, which would be me, but unfortunately, the only games they've shown that I'd pay for are MGS4 and FFXIII. Believe me, that sucks because I actually do have a 1080p 42" LCD that I'd love to get some 1080p content for... and the PS3 seems to be the only thing in the next year that might (and that's a BIG "might") justify its cost.
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Why does everyone continue to complain about the PS3 costing $600? Yes, that is expensive, but do you actually expect it to be $600 forever? The console will definitely be more affordable after a while. I'm not going to get much into next generation right now, but I'm split between PS3 and Xbox 360. The reason the Wii isn't highly anticipated much by me is, many of Nintendo's first party games do NOT appeal to my taste. I don't think they're kiddy (look at all the quitky Japanese PS2 games I have).
[quote name='Strell']Samurai, you shouldn't have even bothered responding to my post. It just made your arguments look much weaker.[/QUOTE]I could careless, because I own myself all the time. :p The reason I said what I did is because I'm freaking sick of Nintendo fanboys bashing the PSP. I'll admit I like both, but when I do see the PSP get bashed, I do have some urge to defend it.
 
[quote name='Samurai T']
I could careless, because I own myself all the time. :p The reason I said what I did is because I'm freaking sick of Nintendo fanboys bashing the PSP. I'll admit I like both, but when I do see the PSP get bashed, I do have some urge to defend it.[/QUOTE]

You know, you can't dig yourself out of a grave by digging.

I wasn't bashing the PSP, I was pointing out the wrong things you said. Why would I bother making up arguments that carry the possibility of being defeated, when I can just defeat someone else's argument to begin with? I haven't even bashed the PSP in this thread, so that's a doubly whammy back to you, brother.

That's the first rule effective arguing. Don't set yourself up when you don't have to because you can destroy something weak that's already there.

You'd do well to just not respond to what I have to say.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']We are not talking totals sale though, we are talking about the amount sold per how long the system has been out.[/QUOTE]

You have to realize also that with all SCE products, they break and warrantes are redeemed and BAM you have 2 units sold technically. I am sure even with this the NPD data will confirm that DS outsells PSP
 
[quote name='sying']You have to realize also that with all SCE products, they break and warrantes are redeemed and BAM you have 2 units sold technically. I am sure even with this the NPD data will confirm that DS outsells PSP[/QUOTE]


Just like how tons of people exchanged out their DS lites huh?
 
NPD does not show PSP sales most of the time. For the April NPD sales, the PSP actually outsold the DS.
PlayStation 2 $29,239,730 206,995
PlayStation Portable $36,861,950 162,438

Xbox $6,772,341 38,987
Xbox 360 $113,592,800 295,381

Game Boy Advance $13,478,950 169,115
GameCube $3,699,169 38,028
Nintendo DS $19,049,660 138,427
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So in all reality in the U.S., the GBA even outsells the PSP and DS.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Just like how tons of people exchanged out their DS lites huh?[/QUOTE]

Indeed... I would easily say that I've heard just any many people say that they've exchanged their DSLs as PSPs. But unlike the PSP, I haven't heard anyone having any problems with it.

[quote name='Samurai T']NPD does not show PSP sales most of the time. For the April NPD sales, the PSP actually outsold the DS.

So in all reality in the U.S., the GBA even outsells the PSP and DS.[/QUOTE]

A lot of people are saying you can't trust NPD's numbers all too much because they don't report Wal-Mart's sales for some reason, which makes up a large portion of the remain 40% of the retailers NPD doesn't track. But I don't think I've ever seen the DS outsell the PSP on the NPD charts.:whistle2:k
 
[quote name='Strell']You know, you can't dig yourself out of a grave by digging.

I wasn't bashing the PSP, I was pointing out the wrong things you said. Why would I bother making up arguments that carry the possibility of being defeated, when I can just defeat someone else's argument to begin with? I haven't even bashed the PSP in this thread, so that's a doubly whammy back to you, brother.

That's the first rule effective arguing. Don't set yourself up when you don't have to because you can destroy something weak that's already there.

You'd do well to just not respond to what I have to say.[/quote]

Arrogance at its best. :applause:
 
[quote name='Vinny']A lot of people are saying you can't trust NPD's numbers all too much because they don't report Wal-Mart's sales for some reason, which makes up a large portion of the remain 40% of the retailers NPD doesn't track. But I don't think I've ever seen the DS outsell the PSP on the NPD charts.:whistle2:k[/QUOTE]That's why I don't trust NPD either much. I just brought it up, because someone here had to mention it. ;)
 
[quote name='gundamxzero']Arrogance at its best. :applause:[/QUOTE]

Wonderful. Another person who failed third grade reading comprehension.

That's when they show you a picture of a walrus and a question mark, and see if you can correctly identify the punctuation.
 
Man, they totally wasted the badass black color on the UK :whistle2:(

[quote name='ryanbph']I agree with pretty much everything you said, but this comment. There was an article on gamespot last week about the uk launch of the ds lite. It went on to say how they weren't selling out, and while one of the bigger stores had a line, most of the other stores didn't even have any window space up front showcasing it.
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Take a look at my game collection, within my sig (check my earlier post in this thread) and you'll notice 25% of my entire collection is RPGs, since that's the genre I like most. The reason my PSP is doing well for racers, is because Ridge Racer is the best Ridge Racer I ever played and WipEout Pure is the best WipEout game I played. The best Ridge Racer and WipEout cannot be found on PS2 (Yes, I own RRV and WipEout Fusion). Mostly, my PSP does well because of SCE's games, the Mega Man remakes, Daxter, Metal Gear Acid 1 & 2 (They are strategy games), Hot Shots Golf Open Tee, PoPoLoCrois, some racing games, etc. I love RPGs and all, but the DS does not have a good one out in "NA" yet. Many will try to tell me to get Mario & Luigi 2, but the game has a few of my biggest gripes with an RPG (Too much button timing, low HP numbers, un-appealing story to me, etc.).
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You're right, I didn't notice your collection. I only looked at the thread you referenced where you listed 100-ish games for the PSP, and it seemed like almost all the ones you highlighted were either action-oriented or racing. I like RPG's and strategy, but I don't like card games. I tried MG: Acid, and just couldn't get into it. I might try the sub-genre again in the future, but at the moment, it just doesn't really do it for me. If nothing else, at least this thread has given me a couple games to look up on the PSP to see if it's worth starting up again.

Totally off subject, but are the new Castlevania games any good? I always hated the very first Castlevania because it too damn hard, and it just felt like any other action game of the day. I loved #2 because it was more RPG-ish, with hit points and an inventory and you could explore, then double-back and go a different route. I liked that. Then #3 screwed it again for me, and I haven't really looked back since. What about the new GBA / DS ones?
 
[quote name='Omatsei']
Totally off subject, but are the new Castlevania games any good? I always hated the very first Castlevania because it too damn hard, and it just felt like any other action game of the day. I loved #2 because it was more RPG-ish, with hit points and an inventory and you could explore, then double-back and go a different route. I liked that. Then #3 screwed it again for me, and I haven't really looked back since. What about the new GBA / DS ones?[/QUOTE]

No offense, but cmon, any professional online review of the GBA / DS Castlevania's has the information you need since it's the most basic of questions, but i'll tell you anyways.

Yes, all the GBA / DS titles are RPGish, like Metroid or Castelvania 2, where you explore and have hit points and all that jazz, and yes, they aren't hard (actually pretty easy imo).
 
[quote name='Roufuss']No offense, but cmon, any professional online review of the GBA / DS Castlevania's has the information you need since it's the most basic of questions, but i'll tell you anyways.

Yes, all the GBA / DS titles are RPGish, like Metroid or Castelvania 2, where you explore and have hit points and all that jazz, and yes, they aren't hard (actually pretty easy imo).[/QUOTE]I noticed most of the Castlevania games (Ones for DS/GBA) to normally be easy, but I'm stuck on a boss right now in DoS. For the most part, I do love the series and can't wait for Potrait of Ruin. :)
 
LOL! this is funny stuff, people keep asking for "prove" and keep talking about "numbers, but every time they are provided, people make up shit and say "that website cant be trusted" and "sony lied" and "shipped not sold" and....etc
 
[quote name='Strell']Wonderful. Another person who failed third grade reading comprehension.

That's when they show you a picture of a walrus and a question mark, and see if you can correctly identify the punctuation.[/quote]

You definitely win teh intraweb, does it give you that warm fuzzy feeling when you argue with people? You sure seem to do it quite a bit.
 
[quote name='gundamxzero']You definitely win teh intraweb, does it give you that warm fuzzy feeling when you argue with people? You sure seem to do it quite a bit.[/QUOTE]

I wonder what is more arrogant. Making a smartass reply, or just posting a one sentence response without any apparent substance.

There's something to be said about all one's replies being nothing more than idiotic insults, but what are you going to do? You're posting without your mommy's approval, so I guess I have to commend you for figuring it out all by yourself.
 
I don't know about all that, all I know is that I drove by a huge line at Best Buy holding out my preordered PSP and taunting them on the launch day.

If I wasn't in my car I would have probably gotten my ass kicked...

But it's their own damn fault for not preordering a console and expecting to get it on release day. Retards.
 
[quote name='Strell']I wonder what is more arrogant. Making a smartass reply, or just posting a one sentence response without any apparent substance.

There's something to be said about all one's replies being nothing more than idiotic insults, but what are you going to do? You're posting without your mommy's approval, so I guess I have to commend you for figuring it out all by yourself.[/quote]

No the arrogant part comes from you thinking you are "smarter" and that everyone lives with "mommy" as if that isnt baseless in itself. I suppose some people would call that a "self-own" but then again you know all about the internet right ;) Hats off to you strell you are far better and far more superior than anyone here! Just another pump to your already over-inflated ego. :roll:
 
It's not arrogance when you call people out for their bullshit.

Very simple concept. I won't be surprised if it's over your head.
 
[quote name='Strell'] I won't be surprised if it's over your head.[/quote]

It was that exact attitude that earned you the label.

Point in case. ;)
 
You originally called me arrogant based on what has been said in this thread for the sake of argument.

However, you have made no contribution yourself except some baseless insults.

If you want to make a point, then maybe you ought to back up what you've said - which is to imply that I've made no reason to say anything worthwhile.

So I challenge you to get off your ass and make some sense by pointing out where my comments in this thread (when they were still on topic) weren't valid or baseless. However, I realize this will probably yield a "yea whatever f that" response from you, or worse yet, another pathetic attempt to be insulting. In either outcome you prove nothing, you talk a bunch of shit, and then you come back and throw a few more insults out.

At this point it is clear you aren't worth responding to. You're just sitting on the fringes of the argument, ready to jump in and make an asinine remark, and pretend you have any semblance of credibility. That is arrogance in a nutshell - pretending you're relevant. You'll predictably retort with some sort of smartass remark I'll bet. In fact, I have no problem saying that, knowing full well you might choose to not do so. It's called conviction, and I'm settled with my comments quite securely.

So this is done.

Maybe we can get back on topic.
 
[quote name='Strell']You originally called me arrogant based on what has been said in this thread for the sake of argument.

However, you have made no contribution yourself except some baseless insults.

If you want to make a point, then maybe you ought to back up what you've said - which is to imply that I've made no reason to say anything worthwhile.

So I challenge you to get off your ass and make some sense. However, I realize this will probably yield a "yea whatever f that" response from you, or worse yet, another pathetic attempt to be insulting. In either outcome you prove nothing, you talk a bunch of shit, and then you come back and throw a few more insults out.

At this point it is clear you aren't worth responding to. You're just sitting on the fringes of the argument, ready to jump in and make an asinine remark, and pretend you have any semblance of credibility. That is arrogance in a nutshell - pretending you're relevant.

So this is done.

Maybe we can get back on topic.[/quote]
And according to you you have not stated your opinion of the psp. You just wanted to disprove samurai so badly, pot...................calling.................kettle............black?


I think so.

You praise coherence so highly yet you have little room to speak. You are just as bad.
 
I'm sorry, is this thread about my opinion on the PSP? You'll have to point out where it says it is.

You just basically said I was dealing with topic A, but you want topic B. If and when what I think about the PSP is the issue, come back and we'll discuss it. Until then, you're just making blatent shit up that you want to read.

Again, I welcome you to third grade reading comprehension.
 
[quote name='Strell']

I wasn't bashing the PSP, I was pointing out the wrong things you said. Why would I bother making up arguments that carry the possibility of being defeated, when I can just defeat someone else's argument to begin with?
[/quote]

Oh wait..................... there it is.

"I was pointing out the wrong things you said" so basicly you didnt want to talk about the psp you just wanted to try and make someone else look like an ass for their views on the subject?

You dont want your opinion involved because instead you could just talk shit about someone else' or just entirely riddicule the person instead....... I am really not offended with your "reading comprehension" bullshit. Because for some reason you say one thing but intend for it to mean another?

Well, you did say im not worth replying to but you keep doing it. You must have the last word? Or perhaps that could have something to do with that massive ego you have yet to deal with. But hey there always that "conviction" thingy you talked about culd u plz tehll mee wat thatt meens pleeze? I no understand reeding.........

Enough of your bullshit anyways, works over so I dont have any more paid time to waste with you. Have a good day, and consider getting that huge head of yours examined. You fuckin need it.
 
I called out false arguments. Arguments are not opinions. They can be wrong.

It's like someone saying 1 + 1 = 5. You are allowed to tell people that is false. I know, very hard concept. Really.

I know you just finished Philosophy 101 and think you are smarter than everyone else in the world, but sadly, that's not the case.

Learn to deal with it, idiot.
 
[quote name='ananag112']Sony means its the fastest selling system for them (Sony). I do not think this is true however. I mean, the PS2 probably outsold it in a year right?[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is what they had said (even at E3): PSP is the fastest selling PlayStation. Why? Cause, unlike PlayStation 1, it had an existing brand name going for it, and because unlike PlayStation2, they were able to more than satiate demand; there was maybe a week that I didn't see PSPs on shelves, aside from that my local Targets and Best Buys have been flooded with PSPs since launch.
 
In the interest of fairness, Mega Man Battle Network 5 DS got terrible reviews because it was Mega Man Battle Network 5! If you've never played any games in the series, it's a great value buy.

Defending the PSP is fine. It's a solid system, it's just that CAG is rather anti-Sony at the moment (besides the PS2 of course). The PSP has some great features, it's just that a lot of people fault it for trying to do too much, the slow load times on a number of games (not all, just some of the bigger franchises), and the price. The PSP isn't going to win any arguments on Cheap Ass Gamer when you'll be out around twice the price of a Nintendo DS Lite once you buy a decent memory stick.

Also Sony will alwaysm lose the innovation argument just due to the touch screen. A port of an N64 game with touch screen functionality feels more like a new game then a PS2 port with an extra character, a few courses, or levels. Your argument about being to easily download saves for the PSP is certainly a plus. It's just that most of us still have the mentality that a portable game is something that you pop in, buy, and play for the 6-10 hours it takes to beat unless it's an RPG.

Edit: I take everything editorial from 1up with a grain of salt. All they do is suck Sony cock and play Halo. The editorial champions the PSP as beating a dead handheld and a handheld getting a redesign. This coupled with the post-E3 bump of PSP functionality with the PS3, a PS1 download service, and that the PSP finally has a traditional Metal Gear game and Gran Turismo game coming out for it sooner rather then later makes sense for the system to have a big month. Hell, I picked one up for the PS1 download service news alone.
 
[quote name='gundamxzero']No the arrogant part comes from you thinking you are "smarter" and that everyone lives with "mommy" as if that isnt baseless in itself. I suppose some people would call that a "self-own" but then again you know all about the internet right ;) Hats off to you strell you are far better and far more superior than anyone here! Just another pump to your already over-inflated ego. :roll:[/QUOTE]

First, strell is far better... maybe even "far more superior" than anyone here sometimes. But you wouldn't know that because you're a newbie. And a complete fucking douche. I've read maybe five of your posts and I already hate you. Go hang yourself.


ahem... bit of a bad mood right now.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']First, strell is far better... maybe even "far more superior" than anyone here sometimes. But you wouldn't know that because you're a newbie. And a complete fucking douche. I've read maybe five of your posts and I already hate you. Go hang yourself.


ahem... bit of a bad mood right now.[/QUOTE]

Here here! Strell is the king for having the greatest commercial ever put together as his avatar. Sure he was being a dick to Samurai T, but that was mostly because of a fundamental disagreement. Samurai T likes Sony 1st Party games for the PSP, most of us do not. Strell's dickiness was funny at least.
 
[quote name='umcthomas']It doesn't look like anyone has posted this yet, sorry if it has been:

http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151407[/QUOTE]

:rofl: That's a horrible article... it sounds as if it was written by some 12 year old and not a professional journalist. And the GBASP is $79.99, not $99.99. I'm not sure if that was Sony's mistake or (most likely) the author's mistake but it doesn't exactly do him any justice.:lol:

But overall, that really wasn't much of an accomplishment. I think everybody already knew that Sony was outselling everyone in every videogame sector in the US.:p
 
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