Just had a chance to play Crash bandicoot on PSP and there are a few things Nintendo and MS can learn from Sony. First of all the full manual scanned for you to read. You can even change the screen size and redefine the buttons. The graphics looks better too (probably due to the smaller screen). My only complain would be the large file size, hopefully they can cut that down in the future.
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Now if only you didn't need a $600 PS3, and a $200 PSP combo to do it, not to mention expensive memory sticks....
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[quote name='62t']Just had a chance to play Crash bandicoot on PSP and there are a few things Nintendo and MS can learn from Sony. First of all the full manual scanned for you to read. You can even change the screen size and redefine the buttons. The graphics looks better too (probably due to the smaller screen). My only complain would be the large file size, hopefully they can cut that down in the future.[/QUOTE]
The Wii VC games have full manuals included with the download. Super Mario 64 has been updated a bit to reduce the blurriness and texture stretching common in N64 games.
The 360 emulations often have widescreen and HD support included, as well as online leaderboards or online play, not to mention achievements.
As mentioned before, the PS3 requires you to spend $800 before you're even able to download and use those PSOne games.
There's benefits and downfalls to each. Personally I'd take the one that doesn't make you buy a $200 system (and memory sticks costing up to $100)just to use the downloaded games, but sony fans are rarely logical with their spending habits.
The Wii VC games have full manuals included with the download. Super Mario 64 has been updated a bit to reduce the blurriness and texture stretching common in N64 games.
The 360 emulations often have widescreen and HD support included, as well as online leaderboards or online play, not to mention achievements.
As mentioned before, the PS3 requires you to spend $800 before you're even able to download and use those PSOne games.
There's benefits and downfalls to each. Personally I'd take the one that doesn't make you buy a $200 system (and memory sticks costing up to $100)just to use the downloaded games, but sony fans are rarely logical with their spending habits.
Yeah, it might work better but you sure as hell end up paying a ton of money for it... a PSP, a PS3, and a you need a huge memory stick to play games.
Two questions: can you play these downloadable games on the PS3? And are they saved to the PS3's built in HD so that you can swap games without having to re-download it?
Two questions: can you play these downloadable games on the PS3? And are they saved to the PS3's built in HD so that you can swap games without having to re-download it?
[quote name='maxgeek']Sony isn't doing a great job running PS2 games on PS3.[/quote]
They're doing a better job then Microsoft, though it's entirely different circumstances. I guess Sony should have 99.9% BC since they have the PS2 hardware on a chip, which does make the 200 games somewhat disappointing, but I would assume that getting the BC to work 100% isn't a high priority. Fixing any bugs and glitches in the OS is.
It's good to see Microsoft still putting out BC updates, but I get the feeling that they are starting to give up.
They're doing a better job then Microsoft, though it's entirely different circumstances. I guess Sony should have 99.9% BC since they have the PS2 hardware on a chip, which does make the 200 games somewhat disappointing, but I would assume that getting the BC to work 100% isn't a high priority. Fixing any bugs and glitches in the OS is.
It's good to see Microsoft still putting out BC updates, but I get the feeling that they are starting to give up.
[quote name='Vinny']Is there some truth to that? I remember seeing a comparison of FFX on a PS2 and PS3 and it looked like shit running on the PS3.[/QUOTE]
Its only with some games, I don't know what determines which games it is, but it doesn't do that with all games.
Its only with some games, I don't know what determines which games it is, but it doesn't do that with all games.
Who the hell cares?? You play the games on your P$P!!! You can play every game ever made up to the PS1 already on the handheld. Who cares about PS1 games??
If you had enough money to buy a PS3, I'd think you'd have enough money to buy the original PS1 games to play on the console.
You're putting so much into emulation, that you miss the point of having a next-gen system. If this is what you spent $600 for,... to play old games on your handheld... you truly are a retard.
As for comparisons.... each company has it's mission statement on it. Some will enhance the graphics, some will add surround sound, and some will just leave them the way they were. These are PERKS,... hence the title, NEXT-GEN. Again, if you bought a current system SOLELY to play 15 year old games,... you are a total retard.
I'm going back to enjoy LoZ:TP, GoW, and Fight Night 3..... and in between big releases, I'll play some Gunstar Heroes and Lumines
Later asshats.
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If you had enough money to buy a PS3, I'd think you'd have enough money to buy the original PS1 games to play on the console.
You're putting so much into emulation, that you miss the point of having a next-gen system. If this is what you spent $600 for,... to play old games on your handheld... you truly are a retard.
As for comparisons.... each company has it's mission statement on it. Some will enhance the graphics, some will add surround sound, and some will just leave them the way they were. These are PERKS,... hence the title, NEXT-GEN. Again, if you bought a current system SOLELY to play 15 year old games,... you are a total retard.
I'm going back to enjoy LoZ:TP, GoW, and Fight Night 3..... and in between big releases, I'll play some Gunstar Heroes and Lumines
Later asshats.
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[quote name='Moxio']Pay $800+ to emulate the PSX? Nigger please, I can emulate perfectly with enhanced graphics on my PC. Cost? Free, baby. [/quote]
You got your PC for free?! Congrats man.
jk
The point of the emulation is just to add functionality to the PSP and give people bigger incentive to buy one if they don't have one already. I don't think they seriously expect anyone to actaully buy a PS3 and a PSP for the sole purpose of playing 6 PSX games.
[/quote]You got your PC for free?! Congrats man.
jkThe point of the emulation is just to add functionality to the PSP and give people bigger incentive to buy one if they don't have one already. I don't think they seriously expect anyone to actaully buy a PS3 and a PSP for the sole purpose of playing 6 PSX games.
You're not required to buy a psp. Most people who have a ps3 just also happen to have a psp. When the psp first came out I don't think people bought it just to play emulated ps1 games on it. When they got their ps3 for a good romp of next gen gaming, the downloadable content for the psp was just icing on the cake. However if you wanna spend $800 for the two systems plus $6 for each game just to play them then i guess that's you're business not mine.
i don't have a psp, and plan on getting a ps3, but i won't be gettin a psp just to play them ps1 games.
one thing though...are you playing the ps1 games wirelessly off the ps3? Or are you actually downloading it to your psp for play? Cuz if it actually downloads to the psp, well then that's something sony has over nintendo and ms, since you can take it anywhere to play. Otherwise....well then i don't see what the argument with emulation between the three systems are. You'd probably rather be looking and the pros and cons of spending $XXX for X console.
and yea also wondering here if you can play them on the ps3, or is it psp only
i don't have a psp, and plan on getting a ps3, but i won't be gettin a psp just to play them ps1 games.
one thing though...are you playing the ps1 games wirelessly off the ps3? Or are you actually downloading it to your psp for play? Cuz if it actually downloads to the psp, well then that's something sony has over nintendo and ms, since you can take it anywhere to play. Otherwise....well then i don't see what the argument with emulation between the three systems are. You'd probably rather be looking and the pros and cons of spending $XXX for X console.
and yea also wondering here if you can play them on the ps3, or is it psp only
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Why would you want to play the PSOne downloads on your ps3? Most of the games they have released cost >$5 anyway, and they play on the ps3.
When I got my p$p on launch day, I thought the world of it. Now, it collects dust, besides the occasional Lumines/Lumines II game. So, I honestly don't recall how much onboard RAM it has... nor do I care to give $ony another cent by Google'ing the h/w specs.
Point is, I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near as much that a PS1 game would need.
SO..... you'll need a dedicated 1GB Memory $tick to play just one game at a time I would think. As PS1 games were roughly 600MB if I recall correctly, not to mention the multidisc games obnoxious storage issues.
Therefore the OP has just proven how much $ony hates you all, as they rape the shit out of your wallets. Good post, very nicely slandered.
Still have a Merry Christmas.... I hope you get 6 1GB memory $ticks
Point is, I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near as much that a PS1 game would need.
SO..... you'll need a dedicated 1GB Memory $tick to play just one game at a time I would think. As PS1 games were roughly 600MB if I recall correctly, not to mention the multidisc games obnoxious storage issues.
Therefore the OP has just proven how much $ony hates you all, as they rape the shit out of your wallets. Good post, very nicely slandered.
Still have a Merry Christmas.... I hope you get 6 1GB memory $ticks
I feel like 95% of PS1 games haven't aged well enough to warrant playing them on the PSP. First-gen vector graphics give me headaches.
If you're really into PS1 games, $800 will buy you a nice PS1 system, some solid accessories, and piles of games that can't be had through Sony's "Virtual Console."
If you're really into PS1 games, $800 will buy you a nice PS1 system, some solid accessories, and piles of games that can't be had through Sony's "Virtual Console."
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That'd better be some big piles of games for $800.
[quote name='drone8888']When I got my p$p on launch day, I thought the world of it. Now, it collects dust, besides the occasional Lumines/Lumines II game. So, I honestly don't recall how much onboard RAM it has... nor do I care to give $ony another cent by Google'ing the h/w specs.
Point is, I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near as much that a PS1 game would need.
SO..... you'll need a dedicated 1GB Memory $tick to play just one game at a time I would think. As PS1 games were roughly 600MB if I recall correctly, not to mention the multidisc games obnoxious storage issues.
Therefore the OP has just proven how much $ony hates you all, as they rape the shit out of your wallets. Good post, very nicely slandered.
Still have a Merry Christmas.... I hope you get 6 1GB memory $ticks[/QUOTE]
Wow, both ignorance and laziness in one post. No waiting. Since when did Google charge you for searches or pay somebody merely for being the target of a search? It works the other way around. google wants to be paid for giving prominence to comemrcial interests in search results.
The PS1 had a small fraction of the memory in the PSP, which is 32MB. Many time more than enough to emulate the PS1. Not enough to store the verage PS1 game but why would you want to do that? Oops, I let the battery run down and lost the whole thing. Yep, that would work great. Even in the case of old ROM games that can be enitrely contained in memory, you're going to want some form of offline storage.
PS1 games came on CD-ROMs supporting up to 650MB but that is not a useful measure of the games' size, only the upper limit for a game on a single disc. PS1 one games can be very small, as seen with Ridge Racer where it was possible to load the game, remove the CD and put a music CD in to be played alongside the game. (PS1 CDs usually had 500MB or less to improve load times by avoiding the slowest tracks of the disc.)
In the case of multi-disc games there is a lot of duplication between discs to avoid having to revert to an earlier disc. In a thre disc Final Fantasy, for instance, you only ever need to change the disc twice. Once you've gone to the second disc the first one is never needed again to continue the game. This is achieved by having the constant elements of the game duplicated on each disc. Rather than 1500MB of data the real total for the game is more like 800MB. Easily within the realm of a $20 1GB Memory Stick.
There is a lot that can be done to make PS1 games a lot smaller on the PSP. It means more work on the game and a more sophisticated emulator but I suspect Sony is working on those. THe technology has been demonstrated in other emulation circumstances, it's just a question on whether the market value is there.
Nearly all of the audio in PS1 games is store in plain uncompressed Red Book standard format. A 400MB game can have over half of its bulk taken up by such audio files. Converting that to the MP4 format the PSP supports natively can reduce those files to less than a tenth of their original size. similar improvements can be made to FMV portions of the game. It all hinges on whether the owner is willing to make the investment in producing the new data files for use on the PSP. Retroactively putting MPEG-4 support into a PS1 game can make it a fraction of its size on the original CD.
That Memory Stick is entirely reusable. Those huge games like FFs tend to be the sort of thing you play once and never again. At which point something else can go on the Memory Stick. Most games of the sort that are likely to be carried in quantity tend to be much smaller. Some great PS1 titles are under 100MB. At the same time Memory Stick capacity for the dollar is growing. 4GB units will be down to $50 soon and 8GB units will be under $100 by next Xmas season.
So the passage of time makes the PSP a better value by making large amounts of rewritable storage affordable. If you don't like the PSP or the prospect of portable access to old PS1 games for very reasonable prices (excepting the need for a PS3), that is your problem. The economics of the offering is very effective for those who do have the interest, especially if they were already inclined to buy a PS3. Is it perfect? No, but nor that be claimed for the competitions offerings. Each has strengths and weaknesses.
Point is, I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near as much that a PS1 game would need.
SO..... you'll need a dedicated 1GB Memory $tick to play just one game at a time I would think. As PS1 games were roughly 600MB if I recall correctly, not to mention the multidisc games obnoxious storage issues.
Therefore the OP has just proven how much $ony hates you all, as they rape the shit out of your wallets. Good post, very nicely slandered.
Still have a Merry Christmas.... I hope you get 6 1GB memory $ticks
[/QUOTE]Wow, both ignorance and laziness in one post. No waiting. Since when did Google charge you for searches or pay somebody merely for being the target of a search? It works the other way around. google wants to be paid for giving prominence to comemrcial interests in search results.
The PS1 had a small fraction of the memory in the PSP, which is 32MB. Many time more than enough to emulate the PS1. Not enough to store the verage PS1 game but why would you want to do that? Oops, I let the battery run down and lost the whole thing. Yep, that would work great. Even in the case of old ROM games that can be enitrely contained in memory, you're going to want some form of offline storage.
PS1 games came on CD-ROMs supporting up to 650MB but that is not a useful measure of the games' size, only the upper limit for a game on a single disc. PS1 one games can be very small, as seen with Ridge Racer where it was possible to load the game, remove the CD and put a music CD in to be played alongside the game. (PS1 CDs usually had 500MB or less to improve load times by avoiding the slowest tracks of the disc.)
In the case of multi-disc games there is a lot of duplication between discs to avoid having to revert to an earlier disc. In a thre disc Final Fantasy, for instance, you only ever need to change the disc twice. Once you've gone to the second disc the first one is never needed again to continue the game. This is achieved by having the constant elements of the game duplicated on each disc. Rather than 1500MB of data the real total for the game is more like 800MB. Easily within the realm of a $20 1GB Memory Stick.
There is a lot that can be done to make PS1 games a lot smaller on the PSP. It means more work on the game and a more sophisticated emulator but I suspect Sony is working on those. THe technology has been demonstrated in other emulation circumstances, it's just a question on whether the market value is there.
Nearly all of the audio in PS1 games is store in plain uncompressed Red Book standard format. A 400MB game can have over half of its bulk taken up by such audio files. Converting that to the MP4 format the PSP supports natively can reduce those files to less than a tenth of their original size. similar improvements can be made to FMV portions of the game. It all hinges on whether the owner is willing to make the investment in producing the new data files for use on the PSP. Retroactively putting MPEG-4 support into a PS1 game can make it a fraction of its size on the original CD.
That Memory Stick is entirely reusable. Those huge games like FFs tend to be the sort of thing you play once and never again. At which point something else can go on the Memory Stick. Most games of the sort that are likely to be carried in quantity tend to be much smaller. Some great PS1 titles are under 100MB. At the same time Memory Stick capacity for the dollar is growing. 4GB units will be down to $50 soon and 8GB units will be under $100 by next Xmas season.
So the passage of time makes the PSP a better value by making large amounts of rewritable storage affordable. If you don't like the PSP or the prospect of portable access to old PS1 games for very reasonable prices (excepting the need for a PS3), that is your problem. The economics of the offering is very effective for those who do have the interest, especially if they were already inclined to buy a PS3. Is it perfect? No, but nor that be claimed for the competitions offerings. Each has strengths and weaknesses.
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LOL! Yeah right, who is retarded enough to pay $800+tax just for a couple shitty ass emulations of games? The Wii and 360 have emulation and it doesn't cost a 
ing arm and a leg to get it. Besides you only need the system not another $200 flop to play them on.
ing arm and a leg to get it. Besides you only need the system not another $200 flop to play them on.
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lol, you uninformed people have no idea that you can play psx games on the psp without owning a ps3 lol. You can even play psx games not avalable at the sony store if you know what youre doing..
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[quote name='muffinman943']lol, you uninformed people have no idea that you can play psx games on the psp without owning a ps3 lol. You can even play psx games not avalable at the sony store if you know what youre doing..[/QUOTE]
Does the 2nd analog nub grow out of the PSP as well?
Does the 2nd analog nub grow out of the PSP as well?
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Michaell shouldn't the line in your sig read "If you're a fanboy, do CAG a favor and go back to Gamefaqs"..?
Sorry.. just wanted to break up this debate with a little bit of honest sig-pickin'.
Sorry.. just wanted to break up this debate with a little bit of honest sig-pickin'.
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[quote name='Michaellvortega']Does the 2nd analog nub grow out of the PSP as well?[/QUOTE]
Ape Escape is the one and only PS game that requires an analog controller.
Ape Escape is the one and only PS game that requires an analog controller.
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[quote name='muffinman943']lol, you uninformed people have no idea that you can play psx games on the psp without owning a ps3 lol. You can even play psx games not avalable at the sony store if you know what youre doing..[/QUOTE]
Yes, we had no idea we could steal games. How clever! Oh wait, we're honest and are talking about BUYING games. Oh well.
Yes, we had no idea we could steal games. How clever! Oh wait, we're honest and are talking about BUYING games. Oh well.
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[quote name='Wolfpup']Yes, we had no idea we could steal games. How clever! Oh wait, we're honest and are talking about BUYING games. Oh well.[/QUOTE]
You clearly are one of the uninformed muffinman was referring to. Just because someone uses a homebrew app does not mean they're illegally downloading games in ANY way.
Go read more about the emulation software if you'd care to educate yourself so that you can participate in this thread without looking like an ass.
You clearly are one of the uninformed muffinman was referring to. Just because someone uses a homebrew app does not mean they're illegally downloading games in ANY way.
Go read more about the emulation software if you'd care to educate yourself so that you can participate in this thread without looking like an ass.
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[quote name='ParkAvenger']Michaell shouldn't the line in your sig read "If you're a fanboy, do CAG a favor and go back to Gamefaqs"..?
Sorry.. just wanted to break up this debate with a little bit of honest sig-pickin'.[/QUOTE]
good catch fixed
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Ape Escape is the one and only PS game that requires an analog controller.[/QUOTE]
I thought we were talking about PS2 emulation too.
Sorry.. just wanted to break up this debate with a little bit of honest sig-pickin'.
[/QUOTE]good catch fixed
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Ape Escape is the one and only PS game that requires an analog controller.[/QUOTE]
I thought we were talking about PS2 emulation too.
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[quote name='getmyrunon']You clearly are one of the uninformed muffinman was referring to. Just because someone uses a homebrew app does not mean they're illegally downloading games in ANY way.
Go read more about the emulation software if you'd care to educate yourself so that you can participate in this thread without looking like an ass.[/QUOTE]
thank you! couldn't have said it better!
Go read more about the emulation software if you'd care to educate yourself so that you can participate in this thread without looking like an ass.[/QUOTE]
thank you! couldn't have said it better!
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