Sony supports emulators?

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I heard somewhere that somewhere in the next few updates the PSP will support emulators and actually include them in a update, is this true?
 
Yup it's true. It was confirmed by a guy who overheard it from an employee of some store somewhere who was told it by his brother in law who once read a blog by someone who is related to the uncle of gardener of the head of Sony.
 
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thats so damn wrong... I LOVE IT!

That being said...

To answer the question, they will have PS1 downloads available later on (via PS3), and those will be playable on the psp. Anything past that...no.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']...
To answer the question, they will have PS1 downloads available later on (via PS3), and those will be playable on the psp. Anything past that...no.[/quote]
PLEASE tell me you're / he's wrong about this and that you don't need to have a PS3 to download the emulated games. If that's the case I will be beyond pissed since this has been the #1 upcoming PSP addition I've been looking forward to.
 
[quote name='jagwire1141']I wonder how big the PS1 games will be and how many they will offer? Hmmm... Anyway, when is 3.0 supposed to be out?[/quote]

Well its on update 2.71 and Sony seems to update the psp every 3-4 months so around when the ps3 comes out
 
My guess is that you'll be able to transfer PS1 games back and forth from your PSP to your PS3, but the way I heard it pitched is that the downloads will come straight to your PSP.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']Well its on update 2.71 and Sony seems to update the psp every 3-4 months so around when the ps3 comes out[/quote]

Its at 2.80 right now.
 
I think the only thing worth noting is the video feed ability there was some other stuff too though, if you have 2.71 then I would say go ahead and update.
 
so how will this work? they will be an update on the PSP site that you can use emulators then u go dl the games elsewhere? or there will be PS1 games that u can dl directly from the sony website that is considered legit? will they charge extra for this or is it free?
 
Get PSP update that includes built in support for PS1 emulation.
Download PS1 files through PS3's live-esque service at a fee.
No ones sure wether you d/l directly to psp, or have ability to save on HD.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Get PSP update that includes built in support for PS1 emulation.
Download PS1 files through PS3's live-esque service at a fee.
No ones sure wether you d/l directly to psp, or have ability to save on HD.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure 3.0 is going include a "sony store" of some sort, where you'll be able to dload music, movies and PSOne games (through the PSP itself).
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']What!? i updated my psp when madden came out! Is it worth upgrading to 2.80?[/QUOTE]
You need it for the Hg 2 demo...
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']I'm pretty sure 3.0 is going include a "sony store" of some sort, where you'll be able to dload music, movies and PSOne games (through the PSP itself).[/quote]
That's what I was thinking, something that's tied to your Playstation.com account that allows you to download the games to your PSP.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']...how else would you get them? I dont think I miss read the info, but I cant see any other safe way for Sony to do that.[/QUOTE]

Because the PSP, as of recent updates, can handle downloads just fine on its own. An example is the US LocoRoco demo.

Some of these downloads could get quite lengthy and WiFi can be very unreliable. The emulator and purchase system should include rovisions for downloading large files over multiple sessions.

They could also easily offer a secure download app for the PC that transfer files to the PSP via USB.

Making a big PSP attraction dependent on the PS3 would be a very bad policy, especially since it will take quite a while for the PS3 installed base to catch up with that of the PSP. Especially if the attraction of PS1 games under emulation causes increased interest in the product.
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']....ty for being a asshole[/QUOTE]

TY for being stunningly gullible. By the way, did you know the word gullible doesn't appear in dictionaries?

There are only two ways emulation will be supported by Sony. In the form of game collections published on UMD by the owners of the IP involved, or as items sold online in the same fashion Nintendo intends to offer on the Wii.

Sony will NEVER offer an open emulation platform that doesn't drive sales of software to run on it. Nor will they emulate platforms they do not own without the permission of those who do own them. Which means those owners get paid and the consumers foot the bill. This is a business that only begins with the hardware.
 
Seems like there's nothing but speculation at this point. I really don't think we'll need a PS3 to emulate the PS1 games but there's a small part of me that's dreading the moment when Sony has an official press conference and Ken Kutaragi is like "All you need to play the entire PS1 library on your PSP is to hook up your PSP to your PS3 and you're on like Donkey Kong." He'll sit there like he just said "The sky is blue" and all the journalists will stand in line to be the first to go down on him and bring him offerings. Someone might even bring in a goat to sacrifice at the Sony altar. If this happens, I'll be selling my PSP the next day but in reality 3.0 will probably have a little Sony store and we won't have to go buy a PS3 until the first price drop.
 
I wouldn't expect the emulator to be resident in the firmware. They will likely take an approach similar to the emulation of the Xbox on the Xbox 360 by having the emulator as part of the downloaded file.

This gives them freedom to tweak the emulator to the different needs of different games and it avoids a lot of future updates. Each game comes with exactly what it needs to run and need not be affected by problems in other games. The emulator itself would be pretty small, well under a megabyte. So having multiple copies of it on your Memory Stick won't be a serious waste of space.
 
[quote name='epobirs']TY for being stunningly gullible. By the way, did you know the word gullible doesn't appear in dictionaries?

There are only two ways emulation will be supported by Sony. In the form of game collections published on UMD by the owners of the IP involved, or as items sold online in the same fashion Nintendo intends to offer on the Wii.

Sony will NEVER offer an open emulation platform that doesn't drive sales of software to run on it. Nor will they emulate platforms they do not own without the permission of those who do own them. Which means those owners get paid and the consumers foot the bill. This is a business that only begins with the hardware.[/quote]

From what i remember Sony does own playstation1. Am i wrong?
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']From what i remember Sony does own playstation1. Am i wrong?[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make this updated release supporting emulators. It makes it support a piece of Sony software that will run specially re-packaged and re-engineered PS1 games that you have to re-buy from Sony. It's not likely that it's even native PS1 code running on a PSP - released software is probably going to be recompiled for PSP's architecture, making this hardly an "emulator" at all..

I think what epobirs was trying to say is that you're a bit of a gullible ass for making the extension of "Sony packs software to download games from the PS1 era" to "Sony supports emulators".
 
[quote name='alongx']That doesn't make this updated release supporting emulators. It makes it support a piece of Sony software that will run specially re-packaged and re-engineered PS1 games that you have to re-buy from Sony. It's not likely that it's even native PS1 code running on a PSP - released software is probably going to be recompiled for PSP's architecture, making this hardly an "emulator" at all..

I think what epobirs was trying to say is that you're a bit of a gullible ass for making the extension of "Sony packs software to download games from the PS1 era" to "Sony supports emulators".[/QUOTE]

I think a few of you have a confused vocab. Sony does indeed support emulation, as you can see by them emulating their own games to run on the psp. They dont however, support all emulation. Just because Sony "re-packaged and re-engineered" the games, doesnt mean it isnt an emulation of games for playstation one. Do you mean to tell me that DGEN is the same exact thing as a Sega Genesis? No, it was a program made for PC to emulate that which the Sega Genesis did and then was re-engineered for the PSP to emulate the pc program which emulated the sega genesis console.

It would be like saying music artist dont support the downloading of music on the internet. Many would think that they dont support music downloading since they are losing money correct? No. There are programs such as Rhapsody where people can download songs legit and the artist get paid for it.

To wrap the story up:
Music artist support music downloading on the internet = yes
Music artist support all music downloading on the internet = no

Sony supports emulators = yes
Sony supports ALL emulators = no

classifiers make a big difference
 
[quote name='Weedy649']
To wrap the story up:
Music artist support music downloading on the internet = yes
Music artist support all music downloading on the internet = no

Sony supports emulators = yes
Sony supports ALL emulators = no

classifiers make a big difference[/quote]
For anyone taking a Logic class this semester this will be covered!

Makes complete sense, hopefully they'll support emulators without the PS3 :)
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']From what i remember Sony does own playstation1. Am i wrong?[/QUOTE]

Yes, and they've already made announcements, inluding several titles, of their intent to offer this.

But this should not be mistaken for Sony offering even the slightest support for the PSP to be used to run binaries obtained without permision of the owners.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']I think a few of you have a confused vocab. Sony does indeed support emulation, as you can see by them emulating their own games to run on the psp. They dont however, support all emulation. Just because Sony "re-packaged and re-engineered" the games, doesnt mean it isnt an emulation of games for playstation one. Do you mean to tell me that DGEN is the same exact thing as a Sega Genesis? No, it was a program made for PC to emulate that which the Sega Genesis did and then was re-engineered for the PSP to emulate the pc program which emulated the sega genesis console.

It would be like saying music artist dont support the downloading of music on the internet. Many would think that they dont support music downloading since they are losing money correct? No. There are programs such as Rhapsody where people can download songs legit and the artist get paid for it.

To wrap the story up:
Music artist support music downloading on the internet = yes
Music artist support all music downloading on the internet = no

Sony supports emulators = yes
Sony supports ALL emulators = no

classifiers make a big difference[/QUOTE]

Semantics are all well and good but in the absence of definition the OP has left it to his readers to determine for themselves what he means.

In the known presence of the homebrew use that Sony actively opposes, just saying 'Sony supports emulation' leads the listener to assume what is meant is the use of products like DGEN. The subject of the PSP and emulation rarely arise without that being the focus. But that would be wrong. DGEN is not a Sony product and Sony could not support it even if they thought it was a good idea because Sega would come knocking on their door to demand some compensation. Further, there is the issue of it encouraging software piracy, which Sony is hardly inclined to do. Nor would they be inclined to offer a feature that would lead to games being played without creating revenue for Sony, either directly or via royalties. It would boost hardware sales but that hardly helps when the hardware isn't a profit center.

In terms of the PS1 emulation, it isn't really going to work as such from a PSP owner's perspective. You won't be able to take your colelction of PS1 CDs and convert their contents to files on a Memory Stick. In all likelihood the downloads Sony sells will be self-contained and all of the emulation issues completely hidden from the user.

For the PSP owner with no experience of the PS1, these will just appear as low-end games sold online for the PSP. A certain amount of surgery will be needed for many games to make them viable for this. Mainly in reformatting the music and FMV for modern codecs to greatly reduce the file size, and to overcome controller issues. A lot of companies may prefer to do remakes of games that are popular but need too much work to just still look like PS1 selves.
 
[quote name='epobirs']Semantics are all well and good but in the absence of definition the OP has left it to his readers to determine for themselves what he means.

In the known presence of the homebrew use that Sony actively opposes, just saying 'Sony supports emulation' leads the listener to assume what is meant is the use of products like DGEN. The subject of the PSP and emulation rarely arise without that being the focus. But that would be wrong. DGEN is not a Sony product and Sony could not support it even if they thought it was a good idea because Sega would come knocking on their door to demand some compensation. Further, there is the issue of it encouraging software piracy, which Sony is hardly inclined to do. Nor would they be inclined to offer a feature that would lead to games being played without creating revenue for Sony, either directly or via royalties. It would boost hardware sales but that hardly helps when the hardware isn't a profit center.

In terms of the PS1 emulation, it isn't really going to work as such from a PSP owner's perspective. You won't be able to take your colelction of PS1 CDs and convert their contents to files on a Memory Stick. In all likelihood the downloads Sony sells will be self-contained and all of the emulation issues completely hidden from the user.

For the PSP owner with no experience of the PS1, these will just appear as low-end games sold online for the PSP. A certain amount of surgery will be needed for many games to make them viable for this. Mainly in reformatting the music and FMV for modern codecs to greatly reduce the file size, and to overcome controller issues. A lot of companies may prefer to do remakes of games that are popular but need too much work to just still look like PS1 selves.[/quote]
Ok so you saw that the topic name was "Sony supports emulators", but it you read my post you would understand that i specified that they support playstation1 emulators. Edit: Nvm no i didn't >.
 
Looks like we all agree that Sony will support emulation of it's PS1 library. Now the question becomes what games will be emulated. They certainly won't emulate Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth since it's been rereleased on UMD. Will we see Legend of Mana? How about Legend of Legaia? Will it only be greatest hits at the beginning? I have a feeling it's going to be Metal Gear Solid, Syphon Filter, Crash Bandicoot, and a bunch of other games that everyone already has.
 
The games that will prolly be avalible will be the games that were the highest selling games for the ps1. Think,ff7,(maybe ff8 if they can make the file size small nuf)metal gear solid,crash bandicoot, etc...
 
[quote name='assasin4hire']The games that will prolly be avalible will be the games that were the highest selling games for the ps1. Think,ff7,(maybe ff8 if they can make the file size small nuf)metal gear solid,crash bandicoot, etc...[/QUOTE]

Shrinking the FF games is easier than it may seem at first glance.

The size of the games is deceptive. Every disc is bootable and contains a duplicate of most of the actual program code. What makes up the bulk of each disc is the music and FMV. The music is plain Redbook CD audio and the FMV is a horrible codec by today's standards. Just changing the music to a modern codec cuts out a major portion of the bulk, especially since so much of that music is also duplicated on each disc. Access the original animation files and convert those to MPEG-4 targeting the PSP screen resolution, then you have just 10-15 megabytes of space used for what was a hundred megabytes on the PS1 disc.

With everything converted to modern codecs and all duplication eliminated, a game like FF8 comes down to well under 500 MB. I can do that in a few hours on my DSL line and many people have much faster connections via cable.
 
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