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Lowering the price of the PS3.
And take losses now, for large future gains.
1) the ps3 is too pricey, the price consumers are willing to pay is probably $350/375ish.
2) the more ps3s sold, the more 3rd party support they will get for game developers
3) they know they will do very well in the LONG RUN, but they could potentially lose people to the 360/wii early on if the price is going to stay this way( we all know they will EVENTUALLY lower the price)
4) Market the PS3 as the future and as the best gaming system, not 10 differnent things.( most people dont have hdtvs so blu-ray doesnt matter for movies, only for the games.)
5) gurantee ff13 and MGS4 stay exclusive and end all speculations and doubters
hope some sony rep reads this
 
They don't need to, they're already way ahead of you.

$400-$450 PS3 version coming perhaps in November. Which should sell well.

Otherwise this post is pointless.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']They don't need to, they're already way ahead of you.

$400-$450 PS3 version coming perhaps in November. Which should sell well.

Otherwise this post is pointless.[/quote]


can i have a link? i havent seen this only that FCC thing.
 
Sony should give away PS3s because even then it wouldn't beat the TurboGraphix 16! LOL.

I really hope Sony kicks some ass in the near future so the "I'm saving Sony" threads go away.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']They don't need to, they're already way ahead of you.

$400-$450 PS3 version coming perhaps in November. Which should sell well.

Otherwise this post is pointless.[/quote] Do you have any proof, or is that typical rumor BS with no legit sources?

One thing Sony needs to do is actually do more advertisements for its games. I rarely see any PS3 commercials that actually involve a huge amount of gameplay. It's like they're redoing the same mistakes of the PS2 and PSP in their early lives by doing commercials with very little to nothing in gaming footage.

Their online games gameplan needs heavy working as well. They've boasted free online service...yet it's still nowhere anywhere as big as Xbox Live.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']Do you have any proof, or is that typical rumor BS with no legit sources?

One thing Sony needs to do is actually do more advertisements for its games. I rarely see any PS3 commercials that actually involve a huge amount of gameplay. It's like they're redoing the same mistakes of the PS2 and PSP in their early lives by doing commercials with very little to nothing in gaming footage.

Their online games gameplan needs heavy working as well. They've boasted free online service...yet it's still nowhere anywhere as big as Xbox Live.[/quote]


lol, yeah i always see 360 commercials and that whole xbox - jump in!
only commercial ive seen is for heavenly sword. but then again they dont have too many games to put on commercials right now.

sony should drop the price in mid november. from 499 to 449, and take a blow in its money. Theyll regain those losses later on
 
There's an FCC report on how they tested and approved the 40GB version of the PS3.

A distributor was quoted as expecting the systems already.

Many news sites have reported on the rumor, ones that are decent with their rumor record.

Sony had an IPO of their insurance division that was earmarked to pay for something in their entertainment division.

And the general knowledge that if Sony doesn't do something this holiday to get PS3 sales they may lose out on exclusives like MGS4 and FF13.

It's not as big because there aren't as many PS3 owners, and not as many online gamers. And yes, in general the PSN is less featured as Xbox live for now. But, for games like Warhawk the online matchmaking works fine. The ranking servers have had problems though. It'll get better as more online games come out.

Also, a chain store recently confirmed the 80GB bundle with motorstorm is dropping to $550 via an ad. No word on whether there's a non motorstorm box that's $500 yet. But it's likely the 40gb version will be priced at $400-$450.
 
Although honestly Sony hasn't had many exclusive games up until now to promote in this way.

Admittedly MS hasn't had many yet either.
 
Sony will probably drop the price Nov 1st to 399.
Letting halo 3 take the spot light for now.

I dont think a 50dollar price drop would be enough to draw as many consumers to the console as they would like.

A 100 dollar drop to 399 for a 40(rumored) or 60gig should be the magic price point for another year for the ps3 until they drop it again to 299.

I can see why sony doesnt want to lower the ps3. Its the cheapest blu ray player on the market and the best (it plays games!). No doubt that people who are thinking to jump into bluray will skip the 799-999 blu ray players and get a Ps3 instead.

Droping the ps3 even more would hurt bluray player sales and it would be harder to justify the price of the players .

However I think sony was not prepared to be in a major fight in the console wars this time around and therefore figured they could get away with a 499-599 console.

The Wii has shown cheaper sells. The 360 is doing better then xbox 1 which is all microsoft could hope for.

Now sony must fight to live up to the "sony" namebrand and catch up in console sales and % share of the gaming marketplace.


I dont think im the only one that thinks I over payed for the ps3 at 499 for the 20gig a year ago with a bare online store and only a handfull of games worth buyings sony has to wake up .Its almost a freakin year since launch and honestly thhe PS3 doesnt have much to show for it......
 
marketing...

show PS3 in the living room, during the day entertaining kids playing games multiplayer, afternoon ps3 entertaining guests [via slideshow of photos], then show people watching movies in HD.

Show a HDTV that a person thinks is useless... then become amazed when PS3 is hooked up to it.
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I loved that commercial when they were showing the future PS - like PS9, then show the ps2 as the beginning.

not the same exact commercial I remember, but this is it - http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftIkT.html
 
Gameplan is to just keep cutting price as quickly and often as possible. Every $50-100 cut will get more people on board.

On top of that, just get some real AAA games out as fast as possible. And couple them with price cuts.

Going to $400 this fall, good start. When MGS4 comes out, go to $350, when FFXIII comes out, go to $300 etc.

That will help them get back in the game. They made a huge mistake with the $500-600 launch price, they're going to have to keep making a lot of cuts and be willing to lose a lot of money on console sales if they even want to challenge seriously for 2nd place.
 
Yeah, amazing how simple it is, and that Sony has somehow managed not to do any of it thus far.

$400 price is a start for this holiday season, but it will still be $50 more than the 360--and probably $100 as MS will probably cut price again when that happens. And it's not coupled with a big AAA holiday release.

So while they will sell some more during the holidays, the 360 and Wii will sell more and they won't gain any ground.
 
They need to get Drake's Fortune hype machine going. I've just seen footage of the game and it looks great. The graphics are unbelievable.

Sure, the 360 has great games coming out, but I'm Halo-ed out! The 360 has some many games out and on the horizon. Loved BioShock (game of the year, IMO), looking forward to COD4, and Mass Effect!

I think the PS3 will be okay once they have more games. Make more games, Sony.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']
I think the PS3 will be okay once they have more games. Make more games, Sony.[/QUOTE]

That's the real key.

But the question is when the big AAA exclusive games come will it be too little too late?

They've squandered their first two holiday seasons.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Innovative ideas. Nobody else has posted this kind of stuff before.[/quote]

whatever, i wanted to see what everyone else thought.
i dont see how that sentence is any more innovative then my own.
 
[quote name='Furashu']whatever, i wanted to see what everyone else thought.
i dont see how that sentence is any more innovative then my own.[/quote]
Because Sony hasn't already acknowledged your "suggestions" as things they need to do to increase their sales and install base? They talked about most, if not all, of that at TGS last week.
 
I don't own a PS3, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Sony seems to be aware of these problems...yet the PS3's still being touted as an HD machine without the HD cables included. They're making the new Dual Shock 3 controllers...but not including them with the consoles.

Why? I see these as two extra not major but rather annoying flaws that force you to spend even more money. As if it wasn't enough to be spending over $560 for the console along with a game ($660 if you buy the 80GB and an aditional game).
 
[quote name='Tsukento']I don't own a PS3, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Sony seems to be aware of these problems...yet the PS3's still being touted as an HD machine without the HD cables included. They're making the new Dual Shock 3 controllers...but not including them with the consoles.

Why? I see these as two extra not major but rather annoying flaws that force you to spend even more money. As if it wasn't enough to be spending over $560 for the console along with a game ($660 if you buy the 80GB and an aditional game).[/quote]

I could say the same thing for 360 (in my situation). I have wireless internet so I found out if I ever wanted to get a 360 (which I really do) I might have to shell out 100 bucks for an adapter. Even if I have to pay anything over 10 dollars it feels like I'm getting ripped off. And I think I would have to buy the HD player/drive/whatever wouldn't I? All that really adds up.

Why wouldn't they put the rumble controllers with the console? I figured they would start to throw those in when they came out.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']I could say the same thing for 360 (in my situation). I have wireless internet so I found out if I ever wanted to get a 360 (which I really do) I might have to shell out 100 bucks for an adapter. Even if I have to pay anything over 10 dollars it feels like I'm getting ripped off. And I think I would have to buy the HD player/drive/whatever wouldn't I? All that really adds up.

Why wouldn't they put the rumble controllers with the console? I figured they would start to throw those in when they came out.[/QUOTE]
I had to go through the same thing. I got an adapter for $90. Ouch. I can't believe MS charges $100 for their adapter.

It sucks since I can get online with the PS3, if I had a Wii that has wireless too, but the 360 just doesn't.
 
Pffft. That's not their gameplan anymore.

Their current gameplan is to complete development for their PS3-guided Thermonuclear Ballistic Missle Submarine, The Red Ring of October.
 
It is sad that it seems like just as many people are buying PS3s for blu-ray & upscaling dvd players than they are for gaming.

But I think now is a good time to buy a PS3, you can stay busy with PS3 games for a decent while from here until sometime next year. Sony needs to market their overall package better one way or the other.
 
[quote name='freshzen']It is sad that it seems like just as many people are buying PS3s for blu-ray & upscaling dvd players than they are for gaming.

But I think now is a good time to buy a PS3, you can stay busy with PS3 games for a decent while from here until sometime next year. Sony needs to market their overall package better one way or the other.[/QUOTE]



This is what Sony wanted... they wanted a full entertainment machine.. and they've accomplished that... as long as the PS3 is in use... then one would be more likely to buy some content for it.. whether its blu ray or another game. Point is... get it in the living, make it part of a person's every day use [entertainment wise]
 
[quote name='Thomas96']This is what Sony wanted... they wanted a full entertainment machine.. and they've accomplished that... as long as the PS3 is in use... then one would be more likely to buy some content for it.. whether its blu ray or another game. Point is... get it in the living, make it part of a person's every day use [entertainment wise][/QUOTE]

That's true... they've admitted as much for quite some time (for this generation, i guess). Microsoft, to a lesser extent (not lesser intent, just less vocal about it), as well... but they seem to be taking a longer road.... with the XBox-Xbox360-and so forth's ever-increasing integration as not just a game machine... They're working on it... and they've still (so far) got the buckets of cash to do it with.

I am fine with it... but when it starts to impact games (which is the primary use for all my consoles), I might take issue with it... I'd rather play games than use my PS3 as a DVR, and I'd rather not use my 360 as a video rental system (though the possibilities are intriguing... 99% of movies I rent are never ones I will purchase... so that might be a bigger deal down the road if MS gets their big foot in the door with this rental thing...)

None of my consoles are in my living room. :) Well, I do have a Dreamcast hooked up to my Living room TV... I have other rooms of the house devoted to gaming. ;)
 
I dunno about Sony, kinda losing hope for them bouncing back this gen. Looks like the PS3 is going to be one of those pesky systems that gets a great exclusive every once in a while, which forces you to pick one up temporarily, then puts you through the annoyance of getting rid of it again.

I wanted to believe in Sony, but they just don't seem to have anything straight this gen. The game market has really changed since the PS2 and it's like Sony got caught with their pants down.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']I don't own a PS3, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Sony seems to be aware of these problems...yet the PS3's still being touted as an HD machine without the HD cables included. They're making the new Dual Shock 3 controllers...but not including them with the consoles.

Why? I see these as two extra not major but rather annoying flaws that force you to spend even more money. As if it wasn't enough to be spending over $560 for the console along with a game ($660 if you buy the 80GB and an aditional game).[/QUOTE]
I'd rather be forced to buy a $6 HDMI cable if I need it than a $100 wireless adapter for the 360. MS touts Live as being all that, yet they want $100 for the wireless adapter which is just as bad, if not worse than Sony making you buy an HDMI cable.
 
Is the official MS wireless adapter the only one that works with the Xbox 360? I have a Belkin wireless adapter that I use with my PS2 that works great and it is supposedly made for use with the Xbox 360 (it's even white).
 
[quote name='Tsukento']I don't own a PS3, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Sony seems to be aware of these problems...yet the PS3's still being touted as an HD machine without the HD cables included. They're making the new Dual Shock 3 controllers...but not including them with the consoles.

Why? I see these as two extra not major but rather annoying flaws that force you to spend even more money. As if it wasn't enough to be spending over $560 for the console along with a game ($660 if you buy the 80GB and an aditional game).[/quote]


well the HD cables are only 15 dollars, i got mine for like 2 dollars, but still a giant hassle.
The controllers havent come out yet, so they cant be included, but they SHOULD include them with the new 40gb or w/e that is rumoured to come out.

i have no clue what they are planning right now, they should stop saying "the price is right" and all that bs, this is the same thing as MS saying "our product is perfect and has no hardware flaws" , itll be the SAME THING, theyll eventually lower the price and a lot of people will join the ps3 community.
i honestly did not buy a ps2 till it was $200. Then there was a ton of games out that i wanted.

There should be better commercials and a lowered price asap. Most of the sony commercials for the games, u dont even know wtf the game is about, its as though they expect us to know for games we've never heard of. how is that supposed to attract NON-ps3 owners? at least M$ shows wtf their games are about ( well not halo 3 lol tis a buncha action figures, but who doesnt know wth halo is about)

sony's main mistake this gen was assuming everyone would go bonkers over blu-ray, i didnt really give a crap, yeah its a bonus but not worth paying $500 dollars for. my guess is they wont even release a 40gb. they will wait till metal gear solid 4 comes out/haze and hope they sell a few consoles. that would be the smarter thing to do, though dont see many people playing MGS online if there arent that many ps3 owners out lol.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']This is what Sony wanted... they wanted a full entertainment machine.. and they've accomplished that... as long as the PS3 is in use... then one would be more likely to buy some content for it.. whether its blu ray or another game. Point is... get it in the living, make it part of a person's every day use [entertainment wise][/QUOTE]

Problem is that the huge price tag caused by included Blu Ray in the console (right at the formats lauch when prices where the highest they'll ever be) priced it out of many peoples range and thus got it in a lot less living rooms that it could have it's first year if cheaper.

Sales will pick up, but probably never to the level they could have if it had been priced more comptetitively from the get go, since many people undoubtedly decided to buy a 360 instead and will skip the PS3 altogether.

But they should be fine, and should sell enough to stay competitve in gaming and go give Blu Ray a big edge over HD DVD, so I imagine they'll be fairly pleased with the outcome, even if it was less than their ideal result.
 
[quote name='Mechafenris']
99% of movies I rent are never ones I will purchase... so that might be a bigger deal down the road if MS gets their big foot in the door with this rental thing...)
[/QUOTE]

The killer for me is there's no way it will ever be priced competitively with Netflix, nor have that large a selection. So I just have no need for it.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I'd rather be forced to buy a $6 HDMI cable if I need it than a $100 wireless adapter for the 360. MS touts Live as being all that, yet they want $100 for the wireless adapter which is just as bad, if not worse than Sony making you buy an HDMI cable.[/QUOTE]

Fair point. Though I'd just use ethernet when/if I get a 360 anyway, since my cable modem is near my TV anyway.
 
A $400 price point would be nice and help sell systems, but Sony really needs to work with their 3rd party developers to hype the games as well. You have Rachet and Clank and Drake's Fortune coming out which are PS3 exclusives, they should by hyping the SHIT outta these games.

Sony is not in a good position right now and they really aren't doing much to get out of it right now, a $400 box will help but I would hope it's the first of many changes. They need to lean on their strengths and acknowledge their weaknesses; I would love nothing more than to hear "Yes, we have a limited library at this point, can improve the quality of games, and have realized our price is too high. Soon you will be seeing the release of second generation PS3 titles which will be far beyond what you've come to expect from next generation platforms, and to start us off in the right direction, we will be releasing a 40GB unit with all of the features you've come to expect from the PS3 for an MSRP of $400".

Sony needs to realize that people respond favorably when companies admit they were wrong.
 
All good points regarding the 360's lack of wireless internet out of the box and forcing you to fork over $100 for the adapter.

However, I gotta stop you guys before you get too carried away as wireless isn't the only way a 360 can go online. S'why it has an ethernet connection in the back. $7 was all it costed for a 25ft cable at Target. If I wanna play the 360 on my HD in the living room, I just run the long enough cable in there and it's in no one's way. If I wanna use it in my room, then I use the cord that came with the system.

Unlike the PS3, you don't have an alternative to HD without actually buying them seperately. Whereas the 360's comes with the standard composite cables attached to the component ones.

Also, Blackout542, unless you want to watch HD-DVD movies, the add-on isn't necessary. HD-DVD is a movie only format, unlike Blu-Ray. So unless you want it to watch HD movies, you don't really need it.

But let's not compare the two companies. This is supposed to be just about Sony and what they need to get themselves back in the game.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']There's an FCC report on how they tested and approved the 40GB version of the PS3.

A distributor was quoted as expecting the systems already.

Many news sites have reported on the rumor, ones that are decent with their rumor record.

Sony had an IPO of their insurance division that was earmarked to pay for something in their entertainment division.

And the general knowledge that if Sony doesn't do something this holiday to get PS3 sales they may lose out on exclusives like MGS4 and FF13.

It's not as big because there aren't as many PS3 owners, and not as many online gamers. And yes, in general the PSN is less featured as Xbox live for now. But, for games like Warhawk the online matchmaking works fine. The ranking servers have had problems though. It'll get better as more online games come out.

Also, a chain store recently confirmed the 80GB bundle with motorstorm is dropping to $550 via an ad. No word on whether there's a non motorstorm box that's $500 yet. But it's likely the 40gb version will be priced at $400-$450.[/QUOTE]

This will probably be announced on 10/12/07 during the "Big Bang"....
 
[quote name='CrimsonPaw']A $400 price point would be nice and help sell systems, but Sony really needs to work with their 3rd party developers to hype the games as well. You have Rachet and Clank and Drake's Fortune coming out which are PS3 exclusives, they should by hyping the SHIT outta these games.[/quote]
Those aren't third party games and they aren't out for several weeks, so the marketing will come in the near future. As for working with third parties:
[quote name='At TGS']He's talking about how Sony is going to work better with partners. He mentions how they're going to collaborate with partners in terms of marketing -- he mentions the PSP Crisis Core pack as an example of that (though that strikes me more as Square Enix helping out Sony there).

He's also talking about how Sony wants to share tools and assets with developers better, and have a periodical meeting with an advisory board.[/quote]

[quote name='CrimsonPaw']Sony is not in a good position right now and they really aren't doing much to get out of it right now, a $400 box will help but I would hope it's the first of many changes. They need to lean on their strengths and acknowledge their weaknesses; I would love nothing more than to hear "Yes, we have a limited library at this point, can improve the quality of games, and have realized our price is too high.[/quote]

[quote name='At TGS']He was asked about the price -- why didn't they drop it? Kaz says they are absolutely focused on trying to reduce the price in the future, but just the same they are focused on trying to improve the game offering so that price won't be so much of a factor.[/quote]

[quote name='CrimsonPaw']Soon you will be seeing the release of second generation PS3 titles which will be far beyond what you've come to expect from next generation platforms, and to start us off in the right direction, we will be releasing a 40GB unit with all of the features you've come to expect from the PS3 for an MSRP of $400".

Sony needs to realize that people respond favorably when companies admit they were wrong.[/quote]
If and/or when it happens, they'll announce it. Until then, they'd like to sell as many of the systems out there as they can.

Quotes from the 1up's TGS keynote liveblog.
 
If you haven't noticed, you can find a refurb PS3 20GB for $370 from EB games . It just takes a little searching.
 
[quote name='bmarquis']If you haven't noticed, you can find a refurb PS3 20GB for $370 from EB games . It just takes a little searching.[/QUOTE]

Not much of a deal with the 40GB coming for $400.
 
If Sony had actually produced enough 20 GB PS3's, we wouldnt be having this conversation at all, because the first price drop wouldve actually lowered the price.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']But wasn't the 20GB discontinued because the 60GB sold better?[/QUOTE]

That's what Sony said, but it was most likely discounted to keep from losing too much.
 
Yeah, it had to be a loss thing. They made hardly any 20GBs to begin with, and you never saw them on store shelves, but always saw the 60GB starting in January.
 
oh well the 40gb rumours are EVERYWHERE!!
sony might actually gain some early ground this holiday season if this is true, hopefully this means more support in 08 as a result
 
[quote name='Tsukento']But wasn't the 20GB discontinued because the 60GB sold better?[/quote]
It was discontinued because retailers didn't like it.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']But wasn't the 20GB discontinued because the 60GB sold better?[/QUOTE]
I know why, because the 20GB was a complete mistake in many ways.

For one, since it lacks WiFi, upgrading to WiFi was quite difficult (you had to buy a wireless bridge or gaming adapter for $50-$100). I'm a 20GB owner myself and while I like the all black, I'm kicking myself now for not having WiFi.

The biggest issue with it was costs. The difference between a 20GB and 60GB HDD was minimal. Another issue with the 20GB was that is had lower cache, meaning games that utilized the HDD (like VF5), would load 3X slower on the 20GB (I'm not joking either). Removing the card readers only saved Sony like $10. Removing WiFi only saved Sony like $25-$30. Going to a 20GB HDD was only $10 more at the most. From what I believe, Sony lost an extra $60 on the 20GB (retailers also only made a $6 profit from it, compared to a $13 profit with the 60GB). The model just costs too much to make and wasn't cost effective. If Sony matched the pricing, the 20GB would only be $50 less, and I almost guarantee most would go with a 60GB over that.

However, the cuts Sony's making for the 40GB look to make close to $100 difference this time.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']However, the cuts Sony's making for the 40GB look to make close to $100 difference this time.[/quote]

What cuts are they making to the 40GB aside from the EE chip?
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']What cuts are they making to the 40GB aside from the EE chip?[/QUOTE]GS might be cut (that would shave $20-$25), two USB ports cut, card readers cut (saves at least $10), no crome maybe (cuts down a $1 I think), draws less current (meaning cheaper components can be used because resistors can handle more current cost more), and maybe more. I've come across various reports though.
 
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