Sonys Gameplan should be...

well the $399 sku was announced, but i bet u only forum people and internet people know... and is it only SCEEurope? can someone confirm?

anyways, sony needs to stack up on commercials, i heard theyre having a NEW campaign, none of that crying baby garbage.
they need to put out commercials for HAZE, Ratchet and clank, drakes fortune and also a commercial that the ps3 is the best blu-ray player on the block.

spread all those commercials on Kids WB, ESPN, Cartoon Network, Spike TV, TBS with baseball playoffs, all over NFL sundays and i think theyll stand a chance this xmas holiday
 
You bet your ass Sony has already called Bungie or sent a letter. Basically, it'd say, if MS ever passes on anything you're making, give us a call and we'll bankroll the whole damn thing.

Of course, MS isn't likely to use the first refusal rights to refuse anything Bungie makes in the next few years, they're not stupid. Having a Bungie game in name alone would be a huge PR hit to MS.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']You bet your ass Sony has already called Bungie or sent a letter. Basically, it'd say, if MS ever passes on anything you're making, give us a call and we'll bankroll the whole damn thing.

Of course, MS isn't likely to use the first refusal rights to refuse anything Bungie makes in the next few years, they're not stupid. Having a Bungie game in name alone would be a huge PR hit to MS.[/QUOTE]

It's rumored their first game will be Master Chief's Master Chef cook out, and the other game being Master Chief's space golf. It will sell millions.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Another issue with the 20GB was that is had lower cache, meaning games that utilized the HDD (like VF5), would load 3X slower on the 20GB (I'm not joking either).[/quote]

Why don't you just put in a better hard drive if it bothers you?
 
sony should also tie up more exclusives, common now
assasins creed and devil may cry on the 360, wtf were they thinking?
 
[quote name='Furashu']sony should also tie up more exclusives, common now
assasins creed and devil may cry on the 360, wtf were they thinking?[/QUOTE]

Not really a lot they could do. They're not willing to throw away a lot of money, otherwise they'd priced the PS3 lower and taken a bigger hit on each one sold to generate more sales from launch.

And the developers don't have much incentive to stay exclusive to the console with the smallest install base unless the company gives them several million to do so.
 
my friend works at sony. she basically says that most people there don't give a shit and that most of the decisions are made at the highest level and they don't have a clue as they have become complacent and arrogant after the ps2's dominance. If someone at a low level has a good idea or common sense it has to travel up huge bureacratic channels and will usually be ignored. It's mostly 8 japanese guys in a sony conference room that control what happens.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Not really a lot they could do. They're not willing to throw away a lot of money, otherwise they'd priced the PS3 lower and taken a bigger hit on each one sold to generate more sales from launch.

And the developers don't have much incentive to stay exclusive to the console with the smallest install base unless the company gives them several million to do so.[/QUOTE]

You're exactly right... neither console (Sony nor MS) was going to get much in the way of 'exclusives' from third party devs unless they shelled out big stacks of bucks to do so (look at the price MS paid for GTA's exclusive features via DL)... and it is still multi-platform. I think the desire for exclusives (from other than 1st party devs) was put on life support this generation, and the next round of consoles will work on something other than "titles you can't play on any other platform".... moving towards other non-gaming (or superior online) features that will entice customers to buy... Maybe specs will mean something more as the generations move forward... :) you never know.... It's costing entirely too much money to reap exclusives this gen....

The 40GB PS3 pricepoint (for those who already have a PS2, or care little for BC) is going to help a bit in terms of the "it's too expensive" crowd... and I figure at some point the 40 will go down in the next price cut round $50 or so... so that there's always one that will be in the ballpark of those on the fence between the two (non Wii) consoles.

Games will be forthcoming, and there will not be an "eggs in one basket" syndrome w/r/t AAA style titles for the PS3. Much like the 2nd year 360 has enjoyed... the PS3 will probably never crack the #1 spot here (in terms of units sold the Wii is unstoppable), but it could be a well-established third with a respectable user-base, and not so distant in units sold as it is now with the 360 (and its year head start). It will mean that some titles will be PS3 ports (rather than the other way around), but with greater knowledge of the innards of the PS3 coming over time, who gets the initial development cycle will mean a lot less than it does now. :)

Plus, given Sony's desire to get a decade out of its consoles, the PS3 will be well positioned for quite a while... it's in its stride... Microsoft should really let the 360 percolate for longer than the original Xbox, or they're going to get the "Sega rep"... ;)
 
I don't think anyone's going to be getting a Sega rep. In order to get the Sega rep, you need to have a bunch of add-ons released by one of the two sides of the company while the other side works on a new console that will make said add-on obsolete if it doesn't already tank on its own. Plus they'd have to be in debt within each time a new console's released.

The closest that either is getting is the PS3, which seems slightly familiar with the Dreamcast's end where developers either packed up and went to another console, or made sure their games were multiplatform. But that's not to say the PS3 is anywhere on the level of the Dreamcast. :p
 
[quote name='Tsukento']All good points regarding the 360's lack of wireless internet out of the box and forcing you to fork over $100 for the adapter.

However, I gotta stop you guys before you get too carried away as wireless isn't the only way a 360 can go online. S'why it has an ethernet connection in the back. $7 was all it costed for a 25ft cable at Target. If I wanna play the 360 on my HD in the living room, I just run the long enough cable in there and it's in no one's way. If I wanna use it in my room, then I use the cord that came with the system.

Unlike the PS3, you don't have an alternative to HD without actually buying them seperately. Whereas the 360's comes with the standard composite cables attached to the component ones.

Also, Blackout542, unless you want to watch HD-DVD movies, the add-on isn't necessary. HD-DVD is a movie only format, unlike Blu-Ray. So unless you want it to watch HD movies, you don't really need it.

But let's not compare the two companies. This is supposed to be just about Sony and what they need to get themselves back in the game.[/quote]

I don't know much about the aspects of connecting internet etc, but the modem I get wifi from is in the basement. A cable would not work for me seeing as I'm on the second floor of my house.

Thanks for clearing up the HD thing. I hardly ever watch movies so that's one less worry I have.
 
[quote name='Furashu']sony needs some commercials, for god sakes so people will know about the games coming out.[/quote]
I finally was able to see the Heavenly Sword Commercial. If they can dish out quality like that later on, I'll love it.
 
[quote name='Mr. Pink']Price really doesn't matter as how much exclusives the console has.[/QUOTE]

I think there's no denying that Sony's price and Nintedo's price have had a substantial impact on their sales, though, games or not.
 
[quote name='Mr. Pink']Price really doesn't matter as how much exclusives the console has.[/quote]

what do u mean?
 
[quote name='Furashu']what do u mean?[/quote]

Say PS3 had like ten super badass exclusives that made your head explode, along with the multi platform games. Sure it might cost $500-600, but the games would make it worthwhile.
 
Sony's gameplan should be
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[quote name='Mr. Pink']Price really doesn't matter as how much exclusives the console has.[/QUOTE]

It's a combination of the two.

Really a threshhold effect. High price and few good exclusives that a person wants is a much harder sale than a high price and a lot of good exclusives.

They key for maximizing profits is to find a good balance of price and exclusive software to get the most people to buy the console.

And of course, it will vary from person to person. I'd never pay $500+ for a console regardless of the software, while other's have bought at $500-600 with the current lineup, and others would buy at those prices if it had X number of games they wanted.
 
I think that Sony plan should be :
1. Lower the price of the PS3
2. Be very quick with releasing their killer ap games such as : Final Fantasy XIII , Metal gear solid 4 , Gran Turismo 5 , Killzone 2 , White knight chronicles ...
3. Release PS Home VERY QUICKLY !!!!

I think that should be the Sony strategy ... For the first one it seems that it will come true , but I do not think that for the second and the third ... :cry::cry::cry:
 
[quote name='Besko']I think that Sony plan should be :
1. Lower the price of the PS3
2. Be very quick with releasing their killer ap games such as : Final Fantasy XIII , Metal gear solid 4 , Gran Turismo 5 , Killzone 2 , White knight chronicles ...
3. Release PS Home VERY QUICKLY !!!!

I think that should be the Sony strategy ... For the first one it seems that it will come true , but I do not think that for the second and the third ... :cry::cry::cry:[/quote]

release it quickly? u want scraps of the games that arent even finished? u cant RELEASE A GAME QUICKLY like a book or something. we dont want repeats of lair.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think there's no denying that Sony's price and Nintedo's price have had a substantial impact on their sales, though, games or not.[/QUOTE]



only thing about Nintendo and Sony's price is that they're like the two extremes... 249.99 and 599.99 on the other end. not that the Wii is extremely cheap, but when you have the ps3 being so much higher, it makes the Wii look even cheaper.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']only thing about Nintendo and Sony's price is that they're like the two extremes... 249.99 and 599.99 on the other end. not that the Wii is extremely cheap, but when you have the ps3 being so much higher, it makes the Wii look even cheaper.[/quote]

u mean 499.99?
lol, yeah that is true. well they cant lower the prices anymore.
 
Focus on dynamite first party games and get that price down. Buy out third party developers who have been loyal to Sony anyway, just to be sure. Make DLC cheap compared to 360 DLC, and keep online play free.

Once they've done all that, I'm sure they can pick up tons of 3RL victims on the rebound.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Focus on dynamite first party games and get that price down. Buy out third party developers who have been loyal to Sony anyway, just to be sure. Make DLC cheap compared to 360 DLC, and keep online play free.

Once they've done all that, I'm sure they can pick up tons of 3RL victims on the rebound.[/quote]

yeah sony needs to focus on the brighter parts of the ps3.
its reliablity, its free online, its great lineup of games coming up.
but i dont see ANY COMMERCIALS stressing these things, which is foolish.
 
Well, they have to focus on good first party titles and getting that price down first. The first thing that most think when they see the PS3 is " too expensive " and " no games". Once they have a good line up and a good price going, I'd love to see a commercial mocking 360 reliablity y ( hopefully using the tests done a while back that puts the PS3 in extreme conditions ).
 
[quote name='Furashu']u mean 499.99?
lol, yeah that is true. well they cant lower the prices anymore.[/QUOTE]


the 80gb is still 599.99 ...
 
oh we talked about this strategy before - well at least I did.. HDTV and PS3 bundles and long behold this week on the very last page of BB's flyer.

HD PACKAGE

40" LCD Sony 1080p HDTV (reg. price 1999)
1 of 3 games - Lair, Heavenly Sword, or NBA 08 (reg. price 59.99 ea.)
1 of 3 blu ray movies - Casino Royale, Ghost Rider, or Taladega Nights(reg. price 29.99 ea)
1 60gb PS3 499.99
-----------------------------------------

for the price of 2089.96.

I know that's a high price, but in this package, you get some value if you're in the market for a HDTV and you're willing to spend at a thousand or two, this is a damn good package, and don't forget, you're getting 5 free movies by mail. If you're going to buy a big screen HDTV you'd be almost foolish not to take this package. To me... this is a good way to get some PS3s sold, and to establish it as a Home entertainment centerpiece.
 
sony finally is cutting prices, should appeal to more people. though people will still whine about OMFG $399 i want it to be $250 like the wii!! even though blu-ray is still very expensive, this is a good price pt for a lot of people.

oh yeah, sony needs WAY more commercials for games yet again, i cannot stress how important that is. i donno if theyre fucking relying on forums or something but the only commercials ive seen are for heavenly sword, and that game only got about 120k games sold .

LETS GO SONY, let the consumers know about the price cuts and new games coming ON THE TV.
 
I think the $399 price is fine, though losing BC is a bit of a kick in the nuts.

But the $399 price did at least give me some pause before caving and opting to go the 360 route.

As $399 for a next gen gaming machine and a Blu Ray player is a killer value. But in the end of the day there just weren't enough exclusives I want, and I'm not to keen on jumping into BR right now given the selection and current disc prices.
 
PS3 needs games, one title I really wanted was Ace Combat 6 and that is only on 360 at the moment. PS2 at this time of its life cycle had, Devil May Cry, GTA, SSX Tricky, and FFX looming. PS3 development has been awful, it didn't launch with a Tekken game or any Namco Fighting game. I believe once the games come out it will be a good system but it is too late for it to catch up to Wii and 360. The handling of the first year for a system is crucial to its long term viability and PS3 was an example of everything that went wrong.
 
[quote name='Furashu']sony finally is cutting prices, should appeal to more people. though people will still whine about OMFG $399 i want it to be $250 like the wii!! even though blu-ray is still very expensive, this is a good price pt for a lot of people.

oh yeah, sony needs WAY more commercials for games yet again, i cannot stress how important that is. i donno if theyre fucking relying on forums or something but the only commercials ive seen are for heavenly sword, and that game only got about 120k games sold .

LETS GO SONY, let the consumers know about the price cuts and new games coming ON THE TV.[/QUOTE]They REALLY need to advertise. I rarely if ever see a PS3 commercial. One reason people barely know about it is due to little advertising. The amount of advertising before Halo 3 came out was insane, causing it to sell well. The Wii has tons of ads, therefore stuff on it sells.
[quote name='MadFlava']PS3 needs games, one title I really wanted was Ace Combat 6 and that is only on 360 at the moment. [/quote]Because of MS money hatting the game and there was no PS3 or Wii development kit by the time the developers were ready to make Ace Combat 6. However, there will be an Ace Combat game on PS3 one day.
PS2 at this time of its life cycle had, Devil May Cry, GTA, SSX Tricky, and FFX looming.
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Part of the reason for more games at the end of 2000 (a year after PS2 came out) was because it released 7 months ahead of time in Japan. Due to that extra time, Japanese developers were given time to release their games on PS2. Now, if you look at the situation now, most all big PS3 games come out in early 08, and when you consider the timeframe which PS3 launched in Japan (one week before the U.S.), it seems right. The 7 month gap between the Japanese and NA launch gave developers 7 more months time to get their games out.
PS3 development has been awful, it didn't launch with a Tekken game or any Namco Fighting game.
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Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection Online is on PS3 right now (as a PSN download), so there is a Tekken on PS3. Graphics excel the arcade version. PS1 had a Tekken at launch because it came out WAY before PS1 did in the arcade. PS2 got Tekken Tag Tournament at launch because TTT was made on System 12 originally (I think that was the arcade board, which is similar to a PS1) way before PS2 was launched. All Namco had to do was take the gameplay engine and up the graphics to PS2 level. With Tekken 6, the development JUST started after Tekken 5: DR in the arcade, which was early 2006. And since Tekken comes to the arcade first, there's just no way Namco could ready Tekken 6 in time for PS3 launch. Namco felt really bad for it, and that's why they brought Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection arcade to PSN (I don't want to hear the crap about the game being on PSP, because the graphics are better, has online play, zero load times, and the gameplay modes are a tad different).
I believe once the games come out it will be a good system but it is too late for it to catch up to Wii and 360.
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Probably the Wii will win, but only the U.S. the PS3 may have trouble catching the 360 (The Xbox brand is popular here). PS3 has already destroyed 360 in Japan. PS3 is already closing in on 360 in most all European countries (except for the U.K. and Australia. In Spain, PS3 is ahead of 360) and will probably surpass 360 throughout Europe this Holiday season (or be very close). PS3 will be fine overall.
The handling of the first year for a system is crucial to its long term viability and PS3 was an example of everything that went wrong.
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Not really and here's why. PS2 has a userbase for 120 million worldwide. 360 and Wii have around 13-15 million worldwide. Let's say every Wii and 360 owner owned a PS2 last generation. If you subtract around 5 million from 90 million (making up PS3 owners maybe), there's around 85 million or more who have not upgraded to next generation. Since PS3 looks to have a really awesome lineup in 2008 (that's definitely bigger than Wii and 360 combined IMO), PS3 could take a very high percentage of those people who have not yet upgraded to next generation. There's still tons of potential buyers left and Sony isn't done.

PS3 has plenty of good games. The issue is that people try to act like the only games PS3 has are exclusives, when in reality, a new console tends to get a lot of multi-platform ports early on (just like the original Xbox last gen), and it takes a while for it to differentiate itself from the competition. Sony has to crank out many first party games themselves, and so far they are doing good. People also seem to forget PSN, which is filled with tons of awesome games.
 
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