Sopranos - Series Finale Discussion
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this is just another one in a line of shitty episodes with maybe one or 2 good spots in it.
all in all these last few episodes feel so tacked on its sad and hard to watch. thankfully i had entourage to look at too so that episode more than made up for a lame sopranos episode.
junior setting up a poker game was cool but the asian guy losing it was predictable as was most of the episode. i did like alot of the stuff about tonys dads past and paulies and wow on tony looking up to him that one was outta left field especially considering how he treats him.
junior in the home bits need to be cut out completly though. i dunno fi they thought to try and make his character a danger the way tonys mom was or what but when they use him theres not much there worth watching so they should have either let him get killed by the asian guy or let him get his shit together so he can make one last run with or against tony sopranoto spice things up.
but his suddenly wanting to kill pauly over that thing with johnny sac was shit. cmon they mention it now after he dies? why not earlier when it actually mattered and was costing them money? the part with him getting pissed at him for talking too much made sense especially since as long as a trip they were on if he did keep talking that much who wouldnt go nuts.
junior in the home bits need to be cut out completly though. i dunno fi they thought to try and make his character a danger the way tonys mom was or what but when they use him theres not much there worth watching so they should have either let him get killed by the asian guy or let him get his shit together so he can make one last run with or against tony sopranoto spice things up.
but his suddenly wanting to kill pauly over that thing with johnny sac was shit. cmon they mention it now after he dies? why not earlier when it actually mattered and was costing them money? the part with him getting pissed at him for talking too much made sense especially since as long as a trip they were on if he did keep talking that much who wouldnt go nuts.
Well from what I've seen so far all of these episodes will be all about tying up loose ends. Nothing major will happen until the final episode.
I wish they would have stopped at season 5. Cause 6 part 1, and part 2 are just horrible. Almost ruining the rep The Soprano have built up.
I wish they would have stopped at season 5. Cause 6 part 1, and part 2 are just horrible. Almost ruining the rep The Soprano have built up.
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i haven't been too impressed with the past 3 episodes, i'm hoping they pick up soon.
Crazy how all the
For sure,
We'll see if that was just a fleeting thought, or if he really intends to get rid of him.
Overall, the episode was the lamest of the new batch.
guys in line to take over for Johnny Sac are getting clipped. I know that Tony was behind the first hit, but is he calling the shots from here on out in order to get Phil into the New York boss position? I'm not sure how that would benefit Tony's crew.
For sure,
Tony was ready to take out Paulie, and I think he's somewhat remorseful.
Overall, the episode was the lamest of the new batch.
[quote name='shieryda']Crazy how all the
For sure,
We'll see if that was just a fleeting thought, or if he really intends to get rid of him.
Overall, the episode was the lamest of the new batch.[/quote]
tony doesnt have anything to do with all those people in ny getting killed its all phil.
in the end i predict him and tony will bump heads again but this time without johnny cooling things down it will get really ugly.
guys in line to take over for Johnny Sac are getting clipped. I know that Tony was behind the first hit, but is he calling the shots from here on out in order to get Phil into the New York boss position? I'm not sure how that would benefit Tony's crew.
For sure,
Tony was ready to take out Paulie, and I think he's somewhat remorseful.
Overall, the episode was the lamest of the new batch.[/quote]
tony doesnt have anything to do with all those people in ny getting killed its all phil.
after that one guy ( i believe his brother) got killed in front of sil at that restaurant he finally said enough is enough and decided to take over. the dude that got clipped at the end of the last episode was i believe the one responsible for the death of the guy phil was stepping aside for to allow him to take over. once he got killed all bets were off and phil stepped up and is more of a hardass than ever mainly due to losing 2 people really close to him . phil didnt even want to take over when he got out of the hospital but shit happened and now hes all about the power.
in the end i predict him and tony will bump heads again but this time without johnny cooling things down it will get really ugly.
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I see people seem to be down on the past three episodes but I liked them. It feels like the show is getting back to its roots from the first two season and is focusing more on Tony and the business than the 
ing annoying family problems between Tony, Carmella, AJ, and Meadow.
ing annoying family problems between Tony, Carmella, AJ, and Meadow.
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I'm still waiting for
or even
Carm to find out Adriana's body is buried under her house she built
to reveal that Adriana's actually alive and helping the Feds. After all, she was Sil's neice and he was the one who killed her, but the shots were all off screen. He could have shot at her and told her he never wanted to see her again and let her go...that would be an interesting end to the whole thing
I should really stop visiting this thread. Between people continually talking out of their ass and not even following what's going on to everyone shitting all over the show (which, like Maklershed mentioned is back to the way it used to be in the first seasons anyway), its not even worth checking out this thread anymore.
This show isn't like 24 or Drive or stuff like that, it gives you a slight recap at the beginning of the episode but other than that it doesn't hold your hand through the telling of the story. You have to keep up with what's going on and pay attention and its not an action show, just cause main people aren't getting killed every episode doesn't mean that there isn't a HELL of a lot going on every episode.
This show isn't like 24 or Drive or stuff like that, it gives you a slight recap at the beginning of the episode but other than that it doesn't hold your hand through the telling of the story. You have to keep up with what's going on and pay attention and its not an action show, just cause main people aren't getting killed every episode doesn't mean that there isn't a HELL of a lot going on every episode.
[quote name='youbastards']I'm still waiting for
or even
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yeah i had always wondered why of all the killings on the show that one was done off camera. even loraines was done on screen of sorts so why not hers too? im still hoping furio makes some kind of apperance his character was pretty cool and hed be a big help if ny and nj went to war.
Carm to find out Adriana's body is buried under her house she built
to reveal that Adriana's actually alive and helping the Feds. After all, she was Sil's neice and he was the one who killed her, but the shots were all off screen. He could have shot at her and told her he never wanted to see her again and let her go...that would be an interesting end to the whole thing
yeah i had always wondered why of all the killings on the show that one was done off camera. even loraines was done on screen of sorts so why not hers too? im still hoping furio makes some kind of apperance his character was pretty cool and hed be a big help if ny and nj went to war.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I should really stop visiting this thread. Between people continually talking out of their ass and not even following what's going on to everyone shitting all over the show (which, like Maklershed mentioned is back to the way it used to be in the first seasons anyway), its not even worth checking out this thread anymore.
This show isn't like 24 or Drive or stuff like that, it gives you a slight recap at the beginning of the episode but other than that it doesn't hold your hand through the telling of the story. You have to keep up with what's going on and pay attention and its not an action show, just cause main people aren't getting killed every episode doesn't mean that there isn't a HELL of a lot going on every episode.[/QUOTE]
I agree and still like the show very much. Right now there is a ton going on. I think so far the first 3 episodes are looking better than the start of Season 6 Part 1.
This show isn't like 24 or Drive or stuff like that, it gives you a slight recap at the beginning of the episode but other than that it doesn't hold your hand through the telling of the story. You have to keep up with what's going on and pay attention and its not an action show, just cause main people aren't getting killed every episode doesn't mean that there isn't a HELL of a lot going on every episode.[/QUOTE]
I agree and still like the show very much. Right now there is a ton going on. I think so far the first 3 episodes are looking better than the start of Season 6 Part 1.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I should really stop visiting this thread. Between people continually talking out of their ass and not even following what's going on to everyone shitting all over the show (which, like Maklershed mentioned is back to the way it used to be in the first seasons anyway), its not even worth checking out this thread anymore.
This show isn't like 24 or Drive or stuff like that, it gives you a slight recap at the beginning of the episode but other than that it doesn't hold your hand through the telling of the story. You have to keep up with what's going on and pay attention and its not an action show, just cause main people aren't getting killed every episode doesn't mean that there isn't a HELL of a lot going on every episode.[/QUOTE]
I've been a fan since season 1, I own all the boxsets. Sopranos is one of my favorite shows.
With that said these episodes suck. I said earlier the same things you've said. The worst of the sopranos was season 6 part 1. But these are much better. All of these episodes are just tying up loose ends, so the fans won't complain when it goes off the air.
This show isn't like 24 or Drive or stuff like that, it gives you a slight recap at the beginning of the episode but other than that it doesn't hold your hand through the telling of the story. You have to keep up with what's going on and pay attention and its not an action show, just cause main people aren't getting killed every episode doesn't mean that there isn't a HELL of a lot going on every episode.[/QUOTE]
I've been a fan since season 1, I own all the boxsets. Sopranos is one of my favorite shows.
With that said these episodes suck. I said earlier the same things you've said. The worst of the sopranos was season 6 part 1. But these are much better. All of these episodes are just tying up loose ends, so the fans won't complain when it goes off the air.
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I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but was thinking about dumping them on ebay because you know HBO is going to release a "Complete Series" box set like they've done with their other series. Should I sell them?
On a completely random note I'm going to give my opinion on "the Russian" from season 3. I didn't really care that the situation with the Russian never got resolved. I just thought we were supposed to think that if anything ever happened, then it was resolved between episodes or seasons 3 and 4. It bothered me later though when in season 5 Paulie and Christopher brought up the incident in conversation. That was stupid because it just brought up the question that they will never answer, "What happened to the Russian?"
It has been a decent season so far IMO.
I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but was thinking about dumping them on ebay because you know HBO is going to release a "Complete Series" box set like they've done with their other series. Should I sell them?
On a completely random note I'm going to give my opinion on "the Russian" from season 3. I didn't really care that the situation with the Russian never got resolved. I just thought we were supposed to think that if anything ever happened, then it was resolved between episodes or seasons 3 and 4. It bothered me later though when in season 5 Paulie and Christopher brought up the incident in conversation. That was stupid because it just brought up the question that they will never answer, "What happened to the Russian?"
It has been a decent season so far IMO.
[quote name='pinebarrens']I got a question for you guys.
I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but was thinking about dumping them on ebay because you know HBO is going to release a "Complete Series" box set like they've done with their other series. Should I sell them?
On a completely random note I'm going to give my opinion on "the Russian" from season 3. I didn't really care that the situation with the Russian never got resolved. I just thought we were supposed to think that if anything ever happened, then it was resolved between episodes or seasons 3 and 4. It bothered me later though when in season 5 Paulie and Christopher brought up the incident in conversation. That was stupid because it just brought up the question that they will never answer, "What happened to the Russian?"
It has been a decent season so far IMO.[/quote]
i dunno id probably sell them if youre dead set on having them all in one big set but then again as much as you probably paid for that 5 season set i dunno how much you could expect to get back on it especially with other people also wanting the complete set. thats what bugs me about dvds they always rerelease them in special editions and when it comes to a series you either wait and get them all at once or buy them bit by bit. ive been waiting for years to buy all the harry potter books in one set and now that chance is finally coming.
and yeah there are alot of open plots in the sopranos series that are big enough to cause problems in the long run. i guess as far as the russian goes were supposed to think he died in the cold or he ran away and i like i mentioned before the furio situation never got solved either. i think the ultimate unexpected series ending would be if that guy tony bled for all of his money and his store( he owed him alot of money due to gambling) would come back and kill him. hell he lost his family and business all in a matter of months why not come back and kill him if youve got nothing to lose.
I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but was thinking about dumping them on ebay because you know HBO is going to release a "Complete Series" box set like they've done with their other series. Should I sell them?
On a completely random note I'm going to give my opinion on "the Russian" from season 3. I didn't really care that the situation with the Russian never got resolved. I just thought we were supposed to think that if anything ever happened, then it was resolved between episodes or seasons 3 and 4. It bothered me later though when in season 5 Paulie and Christopher brought up the incident in conversation. That was stupid because it just brought up the question that they will never answer, "What happened to the Russian?"
It has been a decent season so far IMO.[/quote]
i dunno id probably sell them if youre dead set on having them all in one big set but then again as much as you probably paid for that 5 season set i dunno how much you could expect to get back on it especially with other people also wanting the complete set. thats what bugs me about dvds they always rerelease them in special editions and when it comes to a series you either wait and get them all at once or buy them bit by bit. ive been waiting for years to buy all the harry potter books in one set and now that chance is finally coming.
and yeah there are alot of open plots in the sopranos series that are big enough to cause problems in the long run. i guess as far as the russian goes were supposed to think he died in the cold or he ran away and i like i mentioned before the furio situation never got solved either. i think the ultimate unexpected series ending would be if that guy tony bled for all of his money and his store( he owed him alot of money due to gambling) would come back and kill him. hell he lost his family and business all in a matter of months why not come back and kill him if youve got nothing to lose.
[quote name='pinebarrens']I got a question for you guys.
I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but was thinking about dumping them on ebay because you know HBO is going to release a "Complete Series" box set like they've done with their other series. Should I sell them?
On a completely random note I'm going to give my opinion on "the Russian" from season 3. I didn't really care that the situation with the Russian never got resolved. I just thought we were supposed to think that if anything ever happened, then it was resolved between episodes or seasons 3 and 4. It bothered me later though when in season 5 Paulie and Christopher brought up the incident in conversation. That was stupid because it just brought up the question that they will never answer, "What happened to the Russian?"
It has been a decent season so far IMO.[/QUOTE]
I know the whole Russian storyline had so much potential. I'd love to see it come back somehow this season.
I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but was thinking about dumping them on ebay because you know HBO is going to release a "Complete Series" box set like they've done with their other series. Should I sell them?
On a completely random note I'm going to give my opinion on "the Russian" from season 3. I didn't really care that the situation with the Russian never got resolved. I just thought we were supposed to think that if anything ever happened, then it was resolved between episodes or seasons 3 and 4. It bothered me later though when in season 5 Paulie and Christopher brought up the incident in conversation. That was stupid because it just brought up the question that they will never answer, "What happened to the Russian?"
It has been a decent season so far IMO.[/QUOTE]
I know the whole Russian storyline had so much potential. I'd love to see it come back somehow this season.
[quote name='Graystone']I've been a fan since season 1, I own all the boxsets. Sopranos is one of my favorite shows.
With that said these episodes suck. I said earlier the same things you've said. The worst of the sopranos was season 6 part 1. But these are much better. All of these episodes are just tying up loose ends, so the fans won't complain when it goes off the air.[/QUOTE]
Season 6 Part 1 was probably the weakest of all their seasons, especially the first few "coma episodes." HOWEVER, toward the end of the season when they were dealing with Vito taking off to be alone and all that, it was excellent stuff. Great tension and a great storyline that you wouldn't normally see in a mafia movie or show.
The way I feel is that it remains to be seen as to whether or not these episodes suck. If they're building up to something amazing happening over the last couple episodes of the series then that's great but if the show ends with a whimper and these episodes weren't building toward amazing things to come then I'll agree that they suck. Right now I'm really feeling like these episodes are pieces of the bigger puzzle and while they may not be the best stand-alone episodes, in the grand scheme of things they're pretty good.
I don't understand why everyone wants the Russian storyline to continue on. It was pretty good episode, it had its moments but that's all it was, one episode. Even over the entire series Tony has had very few dealings with Russians, why force in some new storyline when things are obviously building toward a NY-NJ war?
With that said these episodes suck. I said earlier the same things you've said. The worst of the sopranos was season 6 part 1. But these are much better. All of these episodes are just tying up loose ends, so the fans won't complain when it goes off the air.[/QUOTE]
Season 6 Part 1 was probably the weakest of all their seasons, especially the first few "coma episodes." HOWEVER, toward the end of the season when they were dealing with Vito taking off to be alone and all that, it was excellent stuff. Great tension and a great storyline that you wouldn't normally see in a mafia movie or show.
The way I feel is that it remains to be seen as to whether or not these episodes suck. If they're building up to something amazing happening over the last couple episodes of the series then that's great but if the show ends with a whimper and these episodes weren't building toward amazing things to come then I'll agree that they suck. Right now I'm really feeling like these episodes are pieces of the bigger puzzle and while they may not be the best stand-alone episodes, in the grand scheme of things they're pretty good.
I don't understand why everyone wants the Russian storyline to continue on. It was pretty good episode, it had its moments but that's all it was, one episode. Even over the entire series Tony has had very few dealings with Russians, why force in some new storyline when things are obviously building toward a NY-NJ war?
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I agree that the Russian doesn't really matter anymore and if he showed up at any point now it would be ridiculous.
I thought that the whole Vito thing in season 6 pt 1 dragged on for way too long. It was an interesting plot, but do I really want to follow Vito around for an entire Season? Season 6 pt 1 was the worst season by far. The season opener shocker was great and then it just nosedived.
I thought that the whole Vito thing in season 6 pt 1 dragged on for way too long. It was an interesting plot, but do I really want to follow Vito around for an entire Season? Season 6 pt 1 was the worst season by far. The season opener shocker was great and then it just nosedived.
[quote name='pinebarrens']I agree that the Russian doesn't really matter anymore and if he showed up at any point now it would be ridiculous.
I thought that the whole Vito thing in season 6 pt 1 dragged on for way too long. It was an interesting plot, but do I really want to follow Vito around for an entire Season? Season 6 pt 1 was the worst season by far. The season opener shocker was great and then it just nosedived.[/QUOTE]
Also with the Russian IMO he when he did not show up in the next few episodes I just assumed he was dead. I mean they did not find it but there but no clues left that he was alive. To me there is no need to answer something like that because it had nothing to do with the overall story and show.
I thought that the whole Vito thing in season 6 pt 1 dragged on for way too long. It was an interesting plot, but do I really want to follow Vito around for an entire Season? Season 6 pt 1 was the worst season by far. The season opener shocker was great and then it just nosedived.[/QUOTE]
Also with the Russian IMO he when he did not show up in the next few episodes I just assumed he was dead. I mean they did not find it but there but no clues left that he was alive. To me there is no need to answer something like that because it had nothing to do with the overall story and show.
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its been enjoyable so far, but its just seems very slow moving, for the last couple eps you would think stuff would happen. Most of the events they show in episode fade away and very few plot lines are continued. I could make a list of them but it would take forever.
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yea i dunno, sometimes it feels like nothing happens in an episode. Like if you took it out of the season, you would not know it was missing
AJ's relationship has been....weird. I mean, we get little to no lead-up to him going out with this girl, very little development while he's with her, then she dumps him and I suppose we're supposed to care? Heck, I was more invested in Meadow's relationship, and they wrote her fiance out without even showing us the breakup.
again im with everyone whose just kinda scratching their heads at the episodes. although i think maybe they could be using this whole gambling thing as a way to point out how much money hes losing because of vito dying which is still an open ended issue with him and phil but then they dropped the ball on everythign else.
all in all these episodes feel like a bunch of semi developed plotlines and ideas crammed into episodes without any rhyme or reason for some knd of magical big payoff yet to come. and i know alot of people tend to say people hate the episodes because theyres not action or what not but the reality is these episodes are poor because they basically tossed alot of great plots and ideas from that past seasons and went to who the know where.
the only good thing i can say about any of these episodes is that at least entourage comes on after them . but cmon a gambling problem, an undefined relationship endeding as if were supposed to care when there was never a reason to care , and then all the stuff with hesch?????
why would phil want to kill vito for his sister now cousins honor only to not give 2 shits about his family now? and the gambling problem is so left field especially since tony is so smart with money and they show this daily and now all of the sudden hes so broke he needs to borrow money from people ? and threaten his wife over that shit? dude whoever is writing these episodes either is trying some kind of lazy pulp fiction story telling gimmick or they are pulling things out of their asses because they know we will watch it anyway.
and the thing with aj and that chick so one minute you think shes only thinking about money and hoping to get some of it but then when he proposes to her and tells her his plans she leaves him? so this could be somethign where she comes around and tells him she wants more so he willend up getting into the business to make money for her or he will find out she was banging someone else who had money maybe a made guy who knows.
and the thing with aj and that chick so one minute you think shes only thinking about money and hoping to get some of it but then when he proposes to her and tells her his plans she leaves him? so this could be somethign where she comes around and tells him she wants more so he willend up getting into the business to make money for her or he will find out she was banging someone else who had money maybe a made guy who knows.
know where. the only good thing i can say about any of these episodes is that at least entourage comes on after them . but cmon a gambling problem, an undefined relationship endeding as if were supposed to care when there was never a reason to care , and then all the stuff with hesch?????
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The episode made no sense. Where the hell did this gambling problem come from anyway? Remember in season 2 when he took Robert Patrick for all he was worth because he was a "degenerate gambler"?
[quote name='pinebarrens']The episode made no sense. Where the hell did this gambling problem come from anyway? Remember in season 2 when he took Robert Patrick for all he was worth because he was a "degenerate gambler"?[/quote]
yeah i was thinking about that too not to mention hes got all of these diff business interests and money coming in from his minions and what not and hes so broke hes got to borrow money?unless theyre going to say hes losing it or something and maybe his family has a history of mental illness then this gambling thing and damn near everything else theyve been tossing out there hoping it will stick just doesnt make sense. of course maybe they will pull a its all a dream and have him die in the hospital from the gunshot wound. or maybe he will wake up and find out hes never been a mob boss.
yeah i was thinking about that too not to mention hes got all of these diff business interests and money coming in from his minions and what not and hes so broke hes got to borrow money?unless theyre going to say hes losing it or something and maybe his family has a history of mental illness then this gambling thing and damn near everything else theyve been tossing out there hoping it will stick just doesnt make sense. of course maybe they will pull a its all a dream and have him die in the hospital from the gunshot wound. or maybe he will wake up and find out hes never been a mob boss.
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[quote name='javeryh']I can't wait for this show to be over so I can stop watching it. I keep thinking it will get better but the show has really gone downhill since
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QFT
they killed off Tony's cousin (Buschemi) and Adrianna (and it was already getting worse at that point).
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For a minute, I was thinking that AJ's hottie girlfriend would try to get him to buy the house from his mom.
Did anyone else think that
Soing gross when
Did anyone else think that
Tony was gonna kill Hesch?
So
ing gross when
Vito's kid took a dump in the shower. I was thinking that he'd just go ballistic and beat that kid's ass who was making fun of him.
[quote name='shieryda']For a minute, I was thinking that AJ's hottie girlfriend would try to get him to buy the house from his mom.
Did anyone else think that
Soing gross when
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As to the first thing, not a chance. It crossed his mind when it was suggested, but he's been a mentor to him for such a long time, he's like the mob version of Dr. Melfi.
Second item, that wasing nasty.
Did anyone else think that
Tony was gonna kill Hesch?
So
ing gross when
Vito's kid took a dump in the shower. I was thinking that he'd just go ballistic and beat that kid's ass who was making fun of him.
As to the first thing, not a chance. It crossed his mind when it was suggested, but he's been a mentor to him for such a long time, he's like the mob version of Dr. Melfi.
Second item, that was
ing nasty.[quote name='argyle']Very good episode. Looks like AJ is finally getting pulled into the life, which is interesting. And Christopher is becoming more & more of a loose cannon. How many more episodes are there now?[/quote]
I agree about AJ. He's finding his "true calling", I feel. 4 more episodes!
I predict that before all is said and done, that
I agree about AJ. He's finding his "true calling", I feel. 4 more episodes!
I predict that before all is said and done, that
Christopher and Paulie are going to come to blows (or worse).
See, last night's episode was a perfect example of why we needed the buildup of the previous episodes. The Chris storyline was building, you see Bobby taking a bigger and bigger role as Tony's go-to guy, the split among Tony's captains and even Tony himself with his captains (aside form Bobby) is becoming even more apparent, AJ's emergence into his own mafia-like work wouldn't have been as drastic, etc.
I really feel that if this had been the first episode of the season it would not have had the same impact that it did. Sopranos is all about building stuff up, even if it means earlier episodes of a season have to take the slight hit in quality. Even a boring episode of Sopranos, though, is better than most everything on TV right now.
I really feel that if this had been the first episode of the season it would not have had the same impact that it did. Sopranos is all about building stuff up, even if it means earlier episodes of a season have to take the slight hit in quality. Even a boring episode of Sopranos, though, is better than most everything on TV right now.
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Great episode!
[quote name='RedvsBlue']See, last night's episode was a perfect example of why we needed the buildup of the previous episodes. The Chris storyline was building, you see Bobby taking a bigger and bigger role as Tony's go-to guy, the split among Tony's captains and even Tony himself with his captains (aside form Bobby) is becoming even more apparent, AJ's emergence into his own mafia-like work wouldn't have been as drastic, etc.
I really feel that if this had been the first episode of the season it would not have had the same impact that it did. Sopranos is all about building stuff up, even if it means earlier episodes of a season have to take the slight hit in quality. Even a boring episode of Sopranos, though, is better than most everything on TV right now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I totally agree with everything you said here. This last episode was great. Hopefully the last 4 just get better and better.
I really feel that if this had been the first episode of the season it would not have had the same impact that it did. Sopranos is all about building stuff up, even if it means earlier episodes of a season have to take the slight hit in quality. Even a boring episode of Sopranos, though, is better than most everything on TV right now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I totally agree with everything you said here. This last episode was great. Hopefully the last 4 just get better and better.
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I think this season has been pretty darn good. I'm enjoying everything so far....I really don't want it to end, but all good things have too.
So.....wow.......yeah. Major spoilers, but I'm assuming that's understood at this point in this thread:
So, that's it for Chris, huh? Really didn't see that coming. The look on Chris' face when Tony put his hand over his mouth. Just wow. Still kinda processing this one.
So, that's it for Chris, huh? Really didn't see that coming. The look on Chris' face when Tony put his hand over his mouth. Just wow. Still kinda processing this one.
this episode sucked.the way chris died sucks( especially the big blowout he had with pauly) then poof they kill his mom and then all of the sudden carmella feels bad for all the shit she said about him and then mentioned all he did for her when tony was in the hospital so now all of the sudden hes a good guy in her eyes.
aj helps a guy get his toe burned off one minute and is laughing and then said because his friends beat up a black guy and now tony does drugs and bangs one of christohpers mistresses and seems to want to bang his wife this episode was all over the place and made no sense at all. christopher should have died fighting not in an accident ( yeah i know tony killed him) but theyre overusing this car accident cliche too damn much. tony was in an accident with adrianna, he was in an accident with phil over money( although that was intentional, and then he was in an accident while driving and getting a panic attack.
enough ising enough with car accidents. i was routing for chris to survive or at least go out shooting but his characters death was a joke and they wasted what could have been an amazing death.theyre making tony sopranos character out to be a oputunistic pussy and a hypocrite.
aj helps a guy get his toe burned off one minute and is laughing and then said because his friends beat up a black guy and now tony does drugs and bangs one of christohpers mistresses and seems to want to bang his wife
this episode was all over the place and made no sense at all. christopher should have died fighting not in an accident ( yeah i know tony killed him) but theyre overusing this car accident cliche too damn much. tony was in an accident with adrianna, he was in an accident with phil over money( although that was intentional, and then he was in an accident while driving and getting a panic attack. enough is
ing enough with car accidents. i was routing for chris to survive or at least go out shooting but his characters death was a joke and they wasted what could have been an amazing death.theyre making tony sopranos character out to be a oputunistic pussy and a hypocrite.this episode sucked.the way chris died sucks( especially the big blowout he had with pauly) then poof they kill his mom and then all of the sudden carmella feels bad for all the shit she said about him and then mentioned all he did for her when tony was in the hospital so now all of the sudden hes a good guy in her eyes.
aj helps a guy get his toe burned off one minute and is laughing and then said because his friends beat up a black guy and now tony does drugs and bangs one of christohpers mistresses and seems to want to bang his wife this episode was all over the place and made no sense at all. christopher should have died fighting not in an accident ( yeah i know tony killed him) but theyre overusing this car accident cliche too damn much. tony was in an accident with adrianna, he was in an accident with phil over money( although that was intentional, and then he was in an accident while driving and getting a panic attack.
enough ising enough with car accidents. i was routing for chris to survive or at least go out shooting but his characters death was a joke and they wasted what could have been an amazing death.theyre making tony sopranos character out to be a oputunistic pussy and a hypocrite.
aj helps a guy get his toe burned off one minute and is laughing and then said because his friends beat up a black guy and now tony does drugs and bangs one of christohpers mistresses and seems to want to bang his wife
this episode was all over the place and made no sense at all. christopher should have died fighting not in an accident ( yeah i know tony killed him) but theyre overusing this car accident cliche too damn much. tony was in an accident with adrianna, he was in an accident with phil over money( although that was intentional, and then he was in an accident while driving and getting a panic attack. enough is
ing enough with car accidents. i was routing for chris to survive or at least go out shooting but his characters death was a joke and they wasted what could have been an amazing death.theyre making tony sopranos character out to be a oputunistic pussy and a hypocrite.
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Tony is a piece of Shit. Dood is so toxic in all his relationships. This will not end well for him. Best part about the whole ep was the fact that even in death, Chris PWNED Paulie....(the 500 cards)
Personally I thought it was a great way for
well, it would have bee a "whoa" moment for sure, but it wouldn't have provided the insight into Tony's character that last night's episode did. The cool thing about the way it went down was:
Christopher to go out. If they did some thing where Tony had to kill him for the good of the mob (due to Chris's repeated -ups or perhaps suspicion of him squealing), then it would have been too similar to the Tony Blundetto thing. Some big mob showdown wasn't really what the story called for, as Chris wouldn't have had enough support among the rest of the group to make an organized move against Tony. He would have just acted on his own; and if Chris jumped Tony and then Tony killed him in self-defense...
-ups or perhaps suspicion of him squealing), then it would have been too similar to the Tony Blundetto thing. Some big mob showdown wasn't really what the story called for, as Chris wouldn't have had enough support among the rest of the group to make an organized move against Tony. He would have just acted on his own; and if Chris jumped Tony and then Tony killed him in self-defense...1) it was a natural outcome of Chris falling off the wagon again
2) it was a natural outcome of the growing rift between Tony and Chris
3) it was a natural outcome of Tony's growing suspicion over his key guys (like how he was ready to kill Paulie a few eps ago)
4) it managed to follow story threads while still being unpredictable as hell
5) Tony MURDERED Chris... not in self-defense, not to appease anyone else. He wasn't really plotting anything, but when the situation presented itself - when it would have been SO EASY to take care of the problem once and for all and get away with it - he took that chance right away, and LAUGHED about it for the rest of the episode. And we see Tony's twisted sense of conscience at work, which is fascinating. On some level I think he honestly did believe that he was protecting Christopher's family by killing him (he kept looking at the baby seat right before he killed Chris). And in that weird moment when he caught Chris's wife whipping a breast out, I think he was like "damn, she's fine, but out of respect I'll just bang his goomah instead." And more great stuff like how he had that dream where he was openly discussing his murders with Dr. Melfi - then later on he had almost the same conversation for real, but with the incriminating details removed.
2) it was a natural outcome of the growing rift between Tony and Chris
3) it was a natural outcome of Tony's growing suspicion over his key guys (like how he was ready to kill Paulie a few eps ago)
4) it managed to follow story threads while still being unpredictable as hell
5) Tony MURDERED Chris... not in self-defense, not to appease anyone else. He wasn't really plotting anything, but when the situation presented itself - when it would have been SO EASY to take care of the problem once and for all and get away with it - he took that chance right away, and LAUGHED about it for the rest of the episode. And we see Tony's twisted sense of conscience at work, which is fascinating. On some level I think he honestly did believe that he was protecting Christopher's family by killing him (he kept looking at the baby seat right before he killed Chris). And in that weird moment when he caught Chris's wife whipping a breast out, I think he was like "damn, she's fine, but out of respect I'll just bang his goomah instead." And more great stuff like how he had that dream where he was openly discussing his murders with Dr. Melfi - then later on he had almost the same conversation for real, but with the incriminating details removed.
[quote name='BustaUppa']Personally I thought it was a great way for
well, it would have bee a "whoa" moment for sure, but it wouldn't have provided the insight into Tony's character that last night's episode did. The cool thing about the way it went down was:
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I agree completely. Another good point is that Tony was really the only one who could take care of Chris, it just wouldn't have been right imo for anyone else to do it.
I also think the epsiode drew some interesting comparisons between Tony & AJ. Both of them suffer from depression & mood swings, and both of them appear to feel guilt from the things they do. But Tony handles it much differently, while it's still new to AJ and he handles it in a more obvious way. He also still has a chance to change his path, whereas it's pretty much too late for Tony.
Christopher to go out. If they did some thing where Tony had to kill him for the good of the mob (due to Chris's repeated -ups or perhaps suspicion of him squealing), then it would have been too similar to the Tony Blundetto thing. Some big mob showdown wasn't really what the story called for, as Chris wouldn't have had enough support among the rest of the group to make an organized move against Tony. He would have just acted on his own; and if Chris jumped Tony and then Tony killed him in self-defense...
-ups or perhaps suspicion of him squealing), then it would have been too similar to the Tony Blundetto thing. Some big mob showdown wasn't really what the story called for, as Chris wouldn't have had enough support among the rest of the group to make an organized move against Tony. He would have just acted on his own; and if Chris jumped Tony and then Tony killed him in self-defense...1) it was a natural outcome of Chris falling off the wagon again
2) it was a natural outcome of the growing rift between Tony and Chris
3) it was a natural outcome of Tony's growing suspicion over his key guys (like how he was ready to kill Paulie a few eps ago)
4) it managed to follow story threads while still being unpredictable as hell
5) Tony MURDERED Chris... not in self-defense, not to appease anyone else. He wasn't really plotting anything, but when the situation presented itself - when it would have been SO EASY to take care of the problem once and for all and get away with it - he took that chance right away, and LAUGHED about it for the rest of the episode. And we see Tony's twisted sense of conscience at work, which is fascinating. On some level I think he honestly did believe that he was protecting Christopher's family by killing him (he kept looking at the baby seat right before he killed Chris). And in that weird moment when he caught Chris's wife whipping a breast out, I think he was like "damn, she's fine, but out of respect I'll just bang his goomah instead." And more great stuff like how he had that dream where he was openly discussing his murders with Dr. Melfi - then later on he had almost the same conversation for real, but with the incriminating details removed.
2) it was a natural outcome of the growing rift between Tony and Chris
3) it was a natural outcome of Tony's growing suspicion over his key guys (like how he was ready to kill Paulie a few eps ago)
4) it managed to follow story threads while still being unpredictable as hell
5) Tony MURDERED Chris... not in self-defense, not to appease anyone else. He wasn't really plotting anything, but when the situation presented itself - when it would have been SO EASY to take care of the problem once and for all and get away with it - he took that chance right away, and LAUGHED about it for the rest of the episode. And we see Tony's twisted sense of conscience at work, which is fascinating. On some level I think he honestly did believe that he was protecting Christopher's family by killing him (he kept looking at the baby seat right before he killed Chris). And in that weird moment when he caught Chris's wife whipping a breast out, I think he was like "damn, she's fine, but out of respect I'll just bang his goomah instead." And more great stuff like how he had that dream where he was openly discussing his murders with Dr. Melfi - then later on he had almost the same conversation for real, but with the incriminating details removed.
I agree completely. Another good point is that Tony was really the only one who could take care of Chris, it just wouldn't have been right imo for anyone else to do it.
I also think the epsiode drew some interesting comparisons between Tony & AJ. Both of them suffer from depression & mood swings, and both of them appear to feel guilt from the things they do. But Tony handles it much differently, while it's still new to AJ and he handles it in a more obvious way. He also still has a chance to change his path, whereas it's pretty much too late for Tony.
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I'm still pretty shocked over last nights episode. It was pretty hard stuff to watch.
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