Spider-Man 2: The Movie

Yeah I watched it yesterday and I really enjoyed it. Me and my friends are totally rooting for Venom in the next movie

I guess this is a light spoileer coming up, though not really ****



J.J's son is introduced, so who knows, a trip in space bringing back a certain symbiote is a possibility now if you ask me.

So who was able to catch Stan Lee? or Sam Raimi's car? I forgot what his car looked like so I couldn't spot, but it was rather easy to spot Stan "The Man" Lee.
 
The movie was awesome, cant wait for the DVD.

The one thing I miss is Spidey's jokes and sarcasm when he fights the baddies as portrayed in comics and cartoons...
 
[quote name='D4rkewolfe']
So who was able to catch Stan Lee? or Sam Raimi's car? I forgot what his car looked like so I couldn't spot, but it was rather easy to spot Stan "The Man" Lee.[/quote]

Yeah it was pretty easy to spot the old man trying to push someone out of the way of falling bricks.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']The one thing I miss is Spidey's jokes and sarcasm when he fights the baddies as portrayed in comics and cartoons...[/quote]

He still gets out a few, but most of the time he's getting his ass handed to him.

Sadly, i want to go se it again...for the third time...
 
I was actually somewhat disappointed by the movie. It was good, but not "the best comic book movie ever" as I had seen it hailed. And they sure as hell better have 2 villains in the next one. I don't want to see just the one that was hinted at.
 
Lizard was shown in Dr. Conners form, "He who shalt be named" was hinted at at the end of the film, and rami has hinted about Venom in the next film. Heres where $$$, comics and movies merge through... With the main actors having a 3 picture deal, they will probably try and tie up a few loose ends and what not, BUT, because they are aiming for 6 pictures, there will still be storylines not finished in part 3.

All i know is SM2 was the most fun at the movies at a long time, and for me, until Sky Captain comes out at the end of the year.
 
Funny thing is thats what I thought too, a friend of mine told me that the hobgoblin was someone else, I did a search online and found out I was wrong.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Now wheather they stay true to the comic, we'll see[/quote]

I dont care. i WANT Rami to take liberties. I want him to be able to get as much quality work done as he can BASED on the material, not taken directly from.

As a comic dork, i look at it like Amzing Spiderman and Ultimate Spiderman. Amazing is the normal version of spidey, the one with 50 years of continuity. Ultimate Spidey is closer to the movie in the idea of its the original story, in modern times, with new ideas thrown in. I would understand turning Peter Parker into Bob Shmelly would be bad idea, but im one of the few people who thought organic webbing was a good idea...and that shows in this installment.

EDIT=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2.htm 38.6 Million first day. Exact #'s at 12 pacific
 
I saw the movie opening night.

MINOR SPOILERS

It seems like Spider-Man 2 is the best movie of the year, right? To me, this could be one of the, if not, the most overrated film in the movie industry ever. I’m a huge Spider-Man fan, and I liked how the movie felt while I was watching it. It felt like a comic, but other then that, this was a joke.

Spider-man, aka Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire), picked off where he left off. He is again having troubles coping with his life as a superhero, his personal life with his “on and off” romance with Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst), and his college education. Things get even worse when the brilliant Dr. Otto Octavius’s (Alfred Molina) fusion experiment goes terribly wrong. He gets possessed by the four tentacle arms he attaches to himself and goes on a rampage in order to finish his experiment at any means necessary. Harry Osborne (James Franco) makes a deal to give Ock what he needs to finish the fusion device if he brings Spider-man to him alive. The plot is simple but is poorly executed on the big screen.

First and foremost, I liked the comic strip style credits from the start. It somewhat recapped what happened in Spider-Man. As the movie starts, I wasn’t too much hyped because I knew I would be disappointed considering all the praise this movie got. I knew in my heart the movie would flop, and it did.

The plot wasn’t very solid. So many plot holes, so much bad dialogue, so many problems. The whole movie could be quoted. Sam Raimi would have the camera centered on one character, and then that character would talk for a few minutes or so. No real conversations actually take place. The character interaction was very weak. Raimi didn’t forget to add the old save the gal before she gets harmed routine.

The character development was even weaker. Did Raimi think we’d ignore the part on why Dr. Otto Octavius became this mad villain? They just gave us some scientific nonsense and we just ignored it. I don’t know what Raimi was thinking when he was trying to make Doc Ock look like he had split personalities. It seemed like he had mood swings instead. He didn’t have the same villain vibe like the Green Goblin did in the previous Spider-Man. What were his motives anyway? He was a scientist that wanted to use his “gift to help mankind” and ended up wanting to control the sun for the sake that Spider-Man needed a villain? I liked the few moments where Raimi sneaked in Dr. Connors. That was a surprise.

Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst acted horribly. It sounded as if Tobey Maguire was reading off his lines off paper. I didn’t know what the hell was going on with Kirsten Dunst. I didn’t know whether she was serious, friendly, sad, happy, or what. She talked in the same tone of voice throughout the whole movie. James Franco was horrible. He was trying way too hard and on a very simple part. All throughout the whole entire movie he showed no love Peter Parker even when he was his so called “best friend.” He would also risk the half the city to kill Spider-Man, but then he gets convinced that he should let Spider-Man rescue the city he was willing to destroy to get to the position he was at only because Spider-Man was the man he despised anyways, Peter. He probably thought to himself to would get a piece of Spider-Man in Spider-Man 3.

The special effects didn’t offer much. There was just more CGI that’s done because it’s easier that way. I didn’t really notice any differences between both films when it came down to the special effects. Maybe it was sharper this time around, not that’s all. Fighting on the side of a building? Not really my cup of tea. Saving a train with a bunch of people in it at the very last second? It’s been done. Why can’t there be a limit on the amount of time CGI can be used on a film or something? I did, however, love the Evil Dead like scene in the hospital when chaos occurred between the doctors and nurses with that one doctor using a chainsaw like tool and the Bruce Campbell tombstone. Nice touch by Raimi.

Overall, not what I expected, but then again, I wasn’t expecting much. Spider-Man 2 was an average superhero movie, but nothing special. I tried to like the movie, but it’s just not possible with all these problems the movie faced.

Story: B-
Acting: D-
Visuals: C
Cinematography: C
Overall: C- (Not an average)
 
I saw it twice on opening day if that attests to how much I liked this movie. I think the best part about it is the emphasis on Peter Parker not only as a superhero, but as a man. I'm so happy to see his ass get beaten over and over again, and him barely manage to come out on top.

The only criticism I've heard is that there isn't enough action, but I loved it. Peter Parker is only Spider-man half of the time anyways, and I like being able to see how Peter Parker deals with his problems as well.

The humor was great in the movie. There were quite a few laugh out loud scenes, and it really makes the movie appealing to all audiences. I'd definetly give Spider-man 2 an A+.
 
"The character development was even weaker. Did Raimi think we’d ignore the part on why Dr. Otto Octavius became this mad villain? They just gave us some scientific nonsense and we just ignored it. I don’t know what Raimi was thinking when he was trying to make Doc Ock look like he had split personalities. It seemed like he had mood swings instead. He didn’t have the same villain vibe like the Green Goblin did in the previous Spider-Man. What were his motives anyway? He was a scientist that wanted to use his “gift to help mankind” and ended up wanting to control the sun for the sake that Spider-Man needed a villain? "

It's not that much of a leap from the comic. The explosion fucked him up. What were his motives? The guy was fucking crazy after it happened. It killed his wife, and let's not forget that the Arms themselves had some kind of Advanced AI program. Plausible. Pfft, no, but what does plausibility mean when there;s a guy swinging from building to building on a spiderweb?
"The special effects didn’t offer much. There was just more CGI that’s done because it’s easier that way. I didn’t really notice any differences between both films when it came down to the special effects. Maybe it was sharper this time around, not that’s all. Fighting on the side of a building? Not really my cup of tea. Saving a train with a bunch of people in it at the very last second? It’s been done. Why can’t there be a limit on the amount of time CGI can be used on a film or something? "

There's not too many ways the scenes in the movie could be done without the help of CGI. They -could- be done, but it'd be even more shitty. As for the whole "I've seen the train rescue" thing; I've seen many other scenes in many other movies before. That doesn't make them bad. Superheros rescue people. It's a fact of life.

"Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst acted horribly. It sounded as if Tobey Maguire was reading off his lines off paper. I didn’t know what the hell was going on with Kirsten Dunst. I didn’t know whether she was serious, friendly, sad, happy, or what. She talked in the same tone of voice throughout the whole movie. James Franco was horrible. He was trying way too hard and on a very simple part. All throughout the whole entire movie he showed no love Peter Parker even when he was his so called “best friend.” He would also risk the half the city to kill Spider-Man, but then he gets convinced that he should let Spider-Man rescue the city he was willing to destroy to get to the position he was at only because Spider-Man was the man he despised anyways, Peter. He probably thought to himself to would get a piece of Spider-Man in Spider-Man 3.


I agree with the cting statement. It was a little stiff, but I think the acting by JJJ and pretty much every other character was well done. As for why Franco let spiderman go; he had just found out it was his best friend. Quite a huge revelation. Even in the end he was fighting (With Wilhelm D-I mean, his father) about killing him based on that fact. I suppose you were supposed to infer that he was still in shock.

"...I knew I would be disappointed considering all the praise this movie got. I knew in my heart the movie would flop, and it did. .......Overall, not what I expected, but then again, I wasn’t expecting much. Spider-Man 2 was an average superhero movie, but nothing special. I tried to like the movie, but it’s just not possible with all these problems the movie faced. "

It seems you were expecting to be let down, and when you go in with that attitude, things can be much worse. Now, I'm not really doubting that you didn't enjoy the movie as much as you wanted too, but it just seems like this is one of those "Trying to find meaning that isn't there". It's a movie about a man who got bit by a radioactive spider and got super powers. It seems crazy to expect something more than that.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']How violent is the movie, and is the language bad at all? My daughter, who's almost 5, wants to see this movie really, really bad, but I told her I was going to go see it first to see if it's too scary for her.

I think she saw some parts of the first movie, but I thought the Green Goblin's outfit would scare her, but it didn't.

But would you think it's tame enough for a 5 year old?[/quote]

took my 5 year old and 7 year old, we covered their eyes during the hospital scene, but after that it was more 'comic booky type violence' The the worse part was in the middle when Peter was having all the dialogs about 'who he is' well the 5 yrs old got a little squirmy, but once it got going again they were enthralled. Just saw it tonight Wow!
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[quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL']I saw the movie opening night.

MINOR SPOILERS



The character development was even weaker. Did Raimi think we’d ignore the part on why Dr. Otto Octavius became this mad villain? They just gave us some scientific nonsense and we just ignored it. I don’t know what Raimi was thinking when he was trying to make Doc Ock look like he had split personalities. It seemed like he had mood swings instead. He didn’t have the same villain vibe like the Green Goblin did in the previous Spider-Man. What were his motives anyway? He was a scientist that wanted to use his “gift to help mankind” and ended up wanting to control the sun for the sake that Spider-Man needed a villain? I liked the few moments where Raimi sneaked in Dr. Connors. That was a surprise.

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Actually (and I'm don't know the 'real' story at all) but I thought the evil represented here was pretty good. Thinking only of your goals, your dreams and screw anyone/thing if they stand in the way. So to finish his plan he had to hand over spidey--didn't matter to him--he just wanted to finish his 'goal' so it might destroy the world.. eh---he can't see it. The evil of Doc Ock is the personification of one of the most common and harmful evils... selfish narcisitic tunnel vision (I'm sure there is a better term for it but hope you get what I mean)
 
Meh, it was an ok movie. There was too much crappy romance for my taste. And I thought dock ock was a pretty bad villain. Overall though the movie wasn't that bad.
 
Most of the changes away from the comic where completely unnecessary - like where spidey's web comes from, so I hated the first and I won't watch the second. Not to mention toby and kirsten are a very lame Peter and Mary Jane, and yes, she does look like skeletor.
 
I have always been a huge Spider-Man nut. I loved the first movie, and the second one is even better. Doc Ock seemed like a more plausible villian than Green Goblin. He had the best of intentions to help humanity, but was clouded by his own delusions. Green Goblin was ok, but he was a little over the top as far as crazy goes.
The action was spectacular. More hand to hand combat that was real fluid and fast paced. The subtle humor, such as Peter Parkers back mocking Toby Maguire's own. The vintage Sam Raimi scene in the hospital, ultra creepy without resorting to a ton of blood and gore. The human aspect of what being Spider-Man has done to the personal life of Peter Parker.
I plan on seeing it again, and I haven't watched a movie more than once in the theater for about ten years. All in all, it gets my thumbs up.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Most of the changes away from the comic where completely unnecessary - like where spidey's web comes from, so I hated the first and I won't watch the second. Not to mention toby and kirsten are a very lame Peter and Mary Jane, and yes, she does look like skeletor.[/quote]

The idea that Peters web is organic should not piss you off that much. The one thing it did take away was another chance to peter as a smart guy. In Spidey 2 they continue with the organic shooters, and have it so when he stresses out, he's not as able as he was. Pretty much the weight of the world on his shoulders and the fact he's hiding half his life from everyone was making him physically sick.

One point i would like to make....This isnt the comic book. This is a movie. These are real people (and cgi...i know, i know). they arnt butcheri(?). This movie has not been "Hollywoodized" it been brought into the real world.
 
I hate when people see movies and then they say "its not real enough" or "too much cgi"....

What the hell do you expect? Its a movie. Its based on a comic book, how else could they make Spider-Man swing through NY, not like its humanly possible.... ITS A MOVIE people, its there to entertain, its supposed to be over the top. If you dont like it dont watch it....dont complain....
 
I was quite disappointed as I said earlier, and I agree with a lot of what oNeWiNgEdAnGeL said. There were scenes in the movie that not only made no sense, they actually made negative sense and took sense away from the rest of the movie. The scene where he eats cake? What the hell? The fact that he has
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no super powers when he isn't wearing his costume. I'm sorry, but he can do things and not be in his costume. If he has super agility and a spidey sense he can avoid dropping his books and getting hit by people. Hell, an average person can do that. And when the guy is getting the crap beaten out of him and he walks away. He could have easily stopped those guys. And apparently everyone keeps their dead father in their subconcsience. Who knew?



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I am nitpicking, but for a movie with so much hype and being lauded as the best comic book movie ever, I feel that it shouldn't have been so shoddy.
 
This movie has not been "Hollywoodized" it been brought into the real world.

If that was true they would have given spidey his real web blasters, you know the ones he made, instead of the half spider bullshit they invented.

The fact is that has been "hollywoodized" if not simply for the fact that the director injected and contorted whatever the hell he felt like it in manipulating the character and story to his vision. Not to mention all of the fancy cg and other effects that were injected to make the movie a top seller among the pg-13 crowd.

If someone makes a movie about spiderman I expect to see a movie about the already well established spiderman and not some directors crappy vision of what he should be -- same goes for all movies based on well established things.
 
[quote name='Tromack']And apparently everyone keeps their dead father in their subconcsience. Who knew?



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I am nitpicking, but for a movie with so much hype and being lauded as the best comic book movie ever, I feel that it shouldn't have been so shoddy.[/quote]

At least have the decency to pay enough attention to the movie to realize that Uncle Ben is actually Peter Parker's UNCLE. HIS NAME IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY. If you didn't realize that, you sort of lose some of your credibility right there. Also... name a better comic book movie... admitted, its a lot of opinion, but from a comic to movie translation standpoint, there has not yet been one superior. (Christopher Reeve's "Superman" 1978, being the first of it's kind, the only contender)
 
[quote name='Tromack']I was quite disappointed as I said earlier, and I agree with a lot of what oNeWiNgEdAnGeL said. There were scenes in the movie that not only made no sense, they actually made negative sense and took sense away from the rest of the movie. The scene where he eats cake? What the hell? The fact that he has
Spoiler Warning

no super powers when he isn't wearing his costume. I'm sorry, but he can do things and not be in his costume. If he has super agility and a spidey sense he can avoid dropping his books and getting hit by people. Hell, an average person can do that. And when the guy is getting the crap beaten out of him and he walks away. He could have easily stopped those guys. And apparently everyone keeps their dead father in their subconcsience. Who knew?

[/quote]

Duh he could have easily stopped those guys but were you actually watching the movie? That scene was one of MANY that highllighted his choice and desice to lead a normal NON-Spiderman life. Plus how many times in this movie and last did Peter and everyone else refer to "uncle ben" I had to run home and eat some rice after hearing that name over and over and over again. Also he did have superpowers when he wasn't in costume (see movie one) granted one thing that didn't make sense to me was the superhero choice thing, that he could supress his powers through choice, (what is weird is that his DNA was changed and it would seem to me that 'suppressing your super powers would be like suppressing your hearbeat, or hearing, or height.
 
[quote name='Squirms'] The subtle humor, such as Peter Parkers back mocking Toby Maguire's own. [/quote]

I must have missed that could you describe that a bit more?
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='Squirms'] The subtle humor, such as Peter Parkers back mocking Toby Maguire's own. [/quote]

I must have missed that could you describe that a bit more?[/quote]

When He fell and hurt his back in the movie was mocking Toby Maguires own back troubles that almost removed him from the Spiderman 2 project.
 
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