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This is classic, other clinics should do this as well.
Sponsor a pro life protester!
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This is classic, other clinics should do this as well.
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That's a pretty interesting idea... I like it!
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Every time protesters gather outside of our Locust Street health center, our patients face verbal attacks from them. They see graphic signs meant to confuse and intimidate. They are sometimes blocked from entering the building and occasionally they are videotaped. They are offered anti-choice propaganda and free rides to the closest "crisis pregnancy
center."
Staff and volunteers are also seen as targets. We are all called murderers, are lectured to about committing sins, and are told we will pay the "ultimate price" for our actions.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.
center."
Staff and volunteers are also seen as targets. We are all called murderers, are lectured to about committing sins, and are told we will pay the "ultimate price" for our actions.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Every time protesters gather outside of our Locust Street health center, our patients face verbal attacks from them. They see graphic signs meant to confuse and intimidate. They are sometimes blocked from entering the building and occasionally they are videotaped. They are offered anti-choice propaganda and free rides to the closest "crisis pregnancy
center."
Staff and volunteers are also seen as targets. We are all called murderers, are lectured to about committing sins, and are told we will pay the "ultimate price" for our actions.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, he's a different story.[/QUOTE]
They threaten workers and patients, they shout and condemn people entering, they scare the hell out of women going in, they often block, or try to block, people from entering. Then there's all the cases of bombings and murders committed by pro life activists. Many people who work in them wear bullet proof vests when exiting and leaving. They also sometimes track people who work their and put their information on anti abortion websites. You should go to a clinic and watch a picket line sometime. Keep your distance and just watch (so you don't get emotionally involved), the ones I've seen haven't been populated by ned flanders style christians.
Though I love how you quoted the part about intimindation, verbally attacking patients, blocking entrances etc. and yet you completely ignore it in your response.
center."
Staff and volunteers are also seen as targets. We are all called murderers, are lectured to about committing sins, and are told we will pay the "ultimate price" for our actions.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, he's a different story.[/QUOTE]
They threaten workers and patients, they shout and condemn people entering, they scare the hell out of women going in, they often block, or try to block, people from entering. Then there's all the cases of bombings and murders committed by pro life activists. Many people who work in them wear bullet proof vests when exiting and leaving. They also sometimes track people who work their and put their information on anti abortion websites. You should go to a clinic and watch a picket line sometime. Keep your distance and just watch (so you don't get emotionally involved), the ones I've seen haven't been populated by ned flanders style christians.
Though I love how you quoted the part about intimindation, verbally attacking patients, blocking entrances etc. and yet you completely ignore it in your response.
[quote name='alonzomourning23']They threaten workers and patients, they shout and condemn people entering, they scare the hell out of women going in, they often block, or try to block, people from entering. Then there's all the cases of bombings and murders committed by pro life activists. Many people who work in them wear bullet proof vests when exiting and leaving. They also sometimes track people who work their and put their information on anti abortion websites. You should go to a clinic and watch a picket line sometime. Keep your distance and just watch (so you don't get emotionally involved), the ones I've seen haven't been populated by ned flanders style christians.[/QUOTE]
There's one in Methuen, MA that always has them. One time one of them was dressed in a full Grim Reaper costume complete with Scythe. Yeah, those guys are stable.
Edit: In July.
There's one in Methuen, MA that always has them. One time one of them was dressed in a full Grim Reaper costume complete with Scythe. Yeah, those guys are stable.
Edit: In July.
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[quote name='evilmax17']There's one in Methuen, MA that always has them. One time one of them was dressed in a full Grim Reaper costume complete with Scythe. Yeah, those guys are stable.[/QUOTE]
I should visit that one sometime, I love watching those things. I've stopped by the one in buffalo a few times, it made the news a few years back because a doctor was shot and killed at his home, in front of his family, by a pro life extremist.
I should visit that one sometime, I love watching those things. I've stopped by the one in buffalo a few times, it made the news a few years back because a doctor was shot and killed at his home, in front of his family, by a pro life extremist.
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, he's a different story.[/QUOTE]
Something tells me that ol' baby killer won't mind too much. If you meant a god other then the one of the Jews and Christians, let me know.
Something tells me that ol' baby killer won't mind too much. If you meant a god other then the one of the Jews and Christians, let me know.
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Every time protesters gather outside of our Locust Street health center, our patients face verbal attacks from them. They see graphic signs meant to confuse and intimidate. They are sometimes blocked from entering the building and occasionally they are videotaped. They are offered anti-choice propaganda and free rides to the closest "crisis pregnancy
center."
Staff and volunteers are also seen as targets. We are all called murderers, are lectured to about committing sins, and are told we will pay the "ultimate price" for our actions.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.[/QUOTE]
u already judged them genius, also from pittsburgh you have no idea what is going on in philadelphia.
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Staff and volunteers are also seen as targets. We are all called murderers, are lectured to about committing sins, and are told we will pay the "ultimate price" for our actions.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.[/QUOTE]
u already judged them genius, also from pittsburgh you have no idea what is going on in philadelphia.
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Omg Ur Teh Right! I've Never Left Teh Pittsburgh!11!1[/QUOTE]
wellll duhhhhh PADDy if yOu read What I saId, IT wasny anything about never leaving pittsburgh Jarkarse
wellll duhhhhh PADDy if yOu read What I saId, IT wasny anything about never leaving pittsburgh Jarkarse
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This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.[/QUOTE]
See Paddy, they are anti-choice. Unlike you who seem let people do the "sin"(as you see it) and let God sort it out. These knucklehead play God and condemn you. Their mission is to take away the choice so therefore anti-choice applies. Furthermore, these people act like the women going in haven't already thought about their options. Even if adoption is something you want to make available; screaming, name-calling, threatening and the usual freak-show antics isn't the best way to advertise it. And if you think giving up a baby for adoption is easy, you are
ing kidding yourself.
Speaking of such have you ever seen "pro-death" folks protesting outside an adoption clinics with pictures of abused adopted kids, trying to convince mothers to have abortions? Real pro-death there, jackass.
Ever notice how anti-choice people (
) use the same 5 pictures from the 70's over and over? Who knows what the pictures are actually depicting. I wouldn't put it past them to use pictures of miscarriages and the rarely used 3 trimester abortions. Unlike you, the wife has seen plenty of abortions (via her career) and the pictures shown aren't close to being accurate.
as for the original topic. I've done this for years. Everytime I saw a protest at the clinc I lived near. I would go up the the people, get their names, and write a check right there for a donation to planned parenthood in their honor.
This is so great. Anti-choice. What an adjective. So are they rightfully called pro-death? Anti-choice propadanda, like "We'll give you a place to stay, free medical care and a well screened couple desperate to adopt your baby."? OOOOH! HORRIBLE PROPAGANDA!
Signs meant to confuse and intimidate? Like a fetus developing? Like the after effects of a bloody abortion? Baby parts that have been shown to exist in abortion clinic medical waste?
These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.[/QUOTE]
See Paddy, they are anti-choice. Unlike you who seem let people do the "sin"(as you see it) and let God sort it out. These knucklehead play God and condemn you. Their mission is to take away the choice so therefore anti-choice applies. Furthermore, these people act like the women going in haven't already thought about their options. Even if adoption is something you want to make available; screaming, name-calling, threatening and the usual freak-show antics isn't the best way to advertise it. And if you think giving up a baby for adoption is easy, you are
ing kidding yourself. Speaking of such have you ever seen "pro-death" folks protesting outside an adoption clinics with pictures of abused adopted kids, trying to convince mothers to have abortions? Real pro-death there, jackass.
Ever notice how anti-choice people (
) use the same 5 pictures from the 70's over and over? Who knows what the pictures are actually depicting. I wouldn't put it past them to use pictures of miscarriages and the rarely used 3 trimester abortions. Unlike you, the wife has seen plenty of abortions (via her career) and the pictures shown aren't close to being accurate.as for the original topic. I've done this for years. Everytime I saw a protest at the clinc I lived near. I would go up the the people, get their names, and write a check right there for a donation to planned parenthood in their honor.
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Unfortunately, your article does not provide the name of the group protesting so I could make a donation to a truly worthy cause.
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[quote name='elprincipe']Unfortunately, your article does not provide the name of the group protesting so I could make a donation to a truly worthy cause.[/QUOTE]
They are just ordinary people, some on their own, and others from multiple groups. Why don't you show them your appreciation by sponsoring one? Then you could write them a letter about how much you appreciate what they're doing and that you're backing up the cause with your wallet.
They are just ordinary people, some on their own, and others from multiple groups. Why don't you show them your appreciation by sponsoring one? Then you could write them a letter about how much you appreciate what they're doing and that you're backing up the cause with your wallet.
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[quote name='elprincipe']Unfortunately, your article does not provide the name of the group protesting so I could make a donation to a truly worthy cause.[/QUOTE]
Well, lets see. You seem to like aggressive tactics, so may I suggest "operation rescue"? They are very active and very involved in the cause. This is the group falwell denounced as "thugs and thieves" after witnessing one of their protests, so you know they go all out. They've even had upstanding citizens like Eric Rudolph in their ranks.
Well, lets see. You seem to like aggressive tactics, so may I suggest "operation rescue"? They are very active and very involved in the cause. This is the group falwell denounced as "thugs and thieves" after witnessing one of their protests, so you know they go all out. They've even had upstanding citizens like Eric Rudolph in their ranks.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']This is the group falwell denounced as "thugs and thieves" after witnessing one of their protests[/QUOTE]
The hell? Find me that link. I'm well aware of OR's notoriety (as I was nauseated by the media credentials given to Randall Terry - mostly without any mention of his affiliation - during the Schiavo sitaution last year), but I had no idea that they even turned off Falwell.
As for the protest sponsor idea, Iin' love it. I'd be thrilled if the clinic used the money to sponsor sexed classes, or to pay for free condoms (i.e., if the money was used for secular alternatives to reducing unwanted pregnancies), but the ambiguity makes me think it will probably pay for a new microwave in the lunch room or something similar.
The hell? Find me that link. I'm well aware of OR's notoriety (as I was nauseated by the media credentials given to Randall Terry - mostly without any mention of his affiliation - during the Schiavo sitaution last year), but I had no idea that they even turned off Falwell.
As for the protest sponsor idea, I
in' love it. I'd be thrilled if the clinic used the money to sponsor sexed classes, or to pay for free condoms (i.e., if the money was used for secular alternatives to reducing unwanted pregnancies), but the ambiguity makes me think it will probably pay for a new microwave in the lunch room or something similar.
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The protest sponsorship is brilliant! Beating them at their own game. I'd just like to see the protesters' faces when they realize how much money they're helping raise.
Smart and non-violent - I wish the anti-choice people were the same.
Smart and non-violent - I wish the anti-choice people were the same.
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[quote name='Ruined']Ah see though there is a critical flaw with this idea. Since this is a financial protest and most liberals who protest often have no real job and are hence broke, they will likely champion this idea but have no money to actually make it work [/QUOTE]
So, let me get this straight: most liberals don't work, yet we assume that those spending WORKING HOURS IN FRONT OF AN ABORTION CLINIC are, in fact, gainfully employed?
Thanks for posting, BTW. I forgot to add you to the ignore list. Why can't you people be more like elprincipe? At least he can argue, while you twats engage in hyperbole, demonstrable falsehoods, Rush Limbaugh talking points, and diversionary tactics.
[/QUOTE]So, let me get this straight: most liberals don't work, yet we assume that those spending WORKING HOURS IN FRONT OF AN ABORTION CLINIC are, in fact, gainfully employed?
Thanks for posting, BTW. I forgot to add you to the ignore list. Why can't you people be more like elprincipe? At least he can argue, while you twats engage in hyperbole, demonstrable falsehoods, Rush Limbaugh talking points, and diversionary tactics.
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[quote name='mykevermin']The hell? Find me that link. I'm well aware of OR's notoriety (as I was nauseated by the media credentials given to Randall Terry - mostly without any mention of his affiliation - during the Schiavo sitaution last year), but I had no idea that they even turned off Falwell.
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Well, he did say it, but there's a little background to it: http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1998/may18/8t614a.html
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Well, he did say it, but there's a little background to it: http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1998/may18/8t614a.html
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[quote name='Ruined']Ah see though there is a critical flaw with this idea. Since this is a financial protest and most liberals who protest often have no real job and are hence broke, they will likely champion this idea but have no money to actually make it work [/QUOTE]
Might want to check howard deans fund raising records. Besides, it's the drunken hillbillies who are doing the protesting.
[/QUOTE]Might want to check howard deans fund raising records. Besides, it's the drunken hillbillies who are doing the protesting.
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I suggest watching Soldiers in the Army of God if you'd like to see some truly scary fanatics protesting abortion clinics. I have no doubt that they will kill again.
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[quote name='MrBadExample']I suggest watching Soldiers in the Army of God if you'd like to see some truly scary fanatics protesting abortion clinics. I have no doubt that they will kill again.[/QUOTE]
Is that available anywhere? I don't really have enough interest to buy it though. CBC runs a program called "the passionate eye" once a week, where they would run documentaries like that, they showed this one once but I missed it.
Is that available anywhere? I don't really have enough interest to buy it though. CBC runs a program called "the passionate eye" once a week, where they would run documentaries like that, they showed this one once but I missed it.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']Is that available anywhere? I don't really have enough interest to buy it though. CBC runs a program called "the passionate eye" once a week, where they would run documentaries like that, they showed this one once but I missed it.[/QUOTE]
I saw it on HBO. I'm not sure if it's available for rent.
I saw it on HBO. I'm not sure if it's available for rent.
[quote name='MrBadExample']I saw it on HBO. I'm not sure if it's available for rent.[/QUOTE]
I saw it on HBO too. there was a guy named lodi or something who i remember pretty well (well, kind of well if i don't really remember his name). the Secret Service visited him because he made some statements about killing Supreme Court justices about the abortion issue. pretty interesting stuff.
I saw it on HBO too. there was a guy named lodi or something who i remember pretty well (well, kind of well if i don't really remember his name). the Secret Service visited him because he made some statements about killing Supreme Court justices about the abortion issue. pretty interesting stuff.
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']These people are murderers. However my words aren't the final arbiter in that issue. It is not for me to judge the lawful killing of humans. God though, He's a different story.[/QUOTE]
As soon as "God" comes forth and says something, I'll believe you. He wrote three or four books hundreds of years ago, then dissappeared. C'mon God...some authors pump out two books a year!
EDIT: Oh, and my stance on this? A fetus can't feel pain until five months into the pregnancy. At THAT point it should be illegal to abort, but before then THE FETUS DOES NOT HURT. It doesn't THINK. It's not human - it's a potential human.
So since you're against the killing of potential humans, should it be illegal for guys to jack off? They're killing millions of sperm (potential humans) every time they do. And should girls be forced to fertalize ever egg they ever produce? They're potential humans as well. It's ridiculous.
As soon as "God" comes forth and says something, I'll believe you. He wrote three or four books hundreds of years ago, then dissappeared. C'mon God...some authors pump out two books a year!
EDIT: Oh, and my stance on this? A fetus can't feel pain until five months into the pregnancy. At THAT point it should be illegal to abort, but before then THE FETUS DOES NOT HURT. It doesn't THINK. It's not human - it's a potential human.
So since you're against the killing of potential humans, should it be illegal for guys to jack off? They're killing millions of sperm (potential humans) every time they do. And should girls be forced to fertalize ever egg they ever produce? They're potential humans as well. It's ridiculous.
[quote name='SilverPaw750']So since you're against the killing of potential humans, should it be illegal for guys to jack off? They're killing millions of sperm (potential humans) every time they do. And should girls be forced to fertalize ever egg they ever produce? They're potential humans as well. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but since when has science been an obstacle to most conservatives?
Yeah, but since when has science been an obstacle to most conservatives?
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[quote name='SilverPaw750']As soon as "God" comes forth and says something, I'll believe you. He wrote three or four books hundreds of years ago, then dissappeared. C'mon God...some authors pump out two books a year! [/QUOTE]
Yeah - it's easy to talk big when events happened 2000 years ago, but what has Jehovah done for you lately.
Ever think that they're just worshipping the wrong god/goddess? I mean, fairy-tale castles in the clouds after you die make for obiendient sheep and good bedtime stories, but you deserve more demonstratable, real-world bang for your buck when you worship a spiritual entity.
[/QUOTE]Yeah - it's easy to talk big when events happened 2000 years ago, but what has Jehovah done for you lately.
Ever think that they're just worshipping the wrong god/goddess? I mean, fairy-tale castles in the clouds after you die make for obiendient sheep and good bedtime stories, but you deserve more demonstratable, real-world bang for your buck when you worship a spiritual entity.
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[quote name='camoor']Yeah - it's easy to talk big when events happened 2000 years ago, but what has Jehovah done for you lately.
Ever think that they're just worshipping the wrong god/goddess? I mean, fairy-tale castles in the clouds after you die make for obiendient sheep and good bedtime stories, but you deserve more demonstratable, real-world bang for your buck when you worship a spiritual entity.[/QUOTE]
Truthfully, I believe there is something "higher up". Maybe not a god - maybe a giant pulsating frog, hell I don't know. All I know is that something created the universe, and I don't try to understand it because I know I CAN'T. Thats why I think religion and the big bang are ridiculous...they try to explain the unexplainable. I figure I'll find the real answers in due time, but no point shooting for the unattainable.
So no, I don't believe there is a God. There proably is something. But we, humans, can't understand it, so what's the point in trying?
Ever think that they're just worshipping the wrong god/goddess? I mean, fairy-tale castles in the clouds after you die make for obiendient sheep and good bedtime stories, but you deserve more demonstratable, real-world bang for your buck when you worship a spiritual entity.[/QUOTE]
Truthfully, I believe there is something "higher up". Maybe not a god - maybe a giant pulsating frog, hell I don't know. All I know is that something created the universe, and I don't try to understand it because I know I CAN'T. Thats why I think religion and the big bang are ridiculous...they try to explain the unexplainable. I figure I'll find the real answers in due time, but no point shooting for the unattainable.
So no, I don't believe there is a God. There proably is something. But we, humans, can't understand it, so what's the point in trying?
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[quote name='SilverPaw750']EDIT: Oh, and my stance on this? A fetus can't feel pain until five months into the pregnancy. At THAT point it should be illegal to abort, but before then THE FETUS DOES NOT HURT. It doesn't THINK. It's not human - it's a potential human.
So since you're against the killing of potential humans, should it be illegal for guys to jack off? They're killing millions of sperm (potential humans) every time they do. And should girls be forced to fertalize ever egg they ever produce? They're potential humans as well. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Your arguments have some very easily punched holes in them, but we have already been through this quite thoroughly recently. So I'll just point you to the discussion.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64123
So since you're against the killing of potential humans, should it be illegal for guys to jack off? They're killing millions of sperm (potential humans) every time they do. And should girls be forced to fertalize ever egg they ever produce? They're potential humans as well. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Your arguments have some very easily punched holes in them, but we have already been through this quite thoroughly recently. So I'll just point you to the discussion.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64123
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[quote name='SilverPaw750']Truthfully, I believe there is something "higher up". Maybe not a god - maybe a giant pulsating frog, hell I don't know. All I know is that something created the universe, and I don't try to understand it because I know I CAN'T. Thats why I think religion and the big bang are ridiculous...they try to explain the unexplainable. I figure I'll find the real answers in due time, but no point shooting for the unattainable.
So no, I don't believe there is a God. There proably is something. But we, humans, can't understand it, so what's the point in trying?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure people thought the same thing about what the sun is made of, or what shape the earth is in, more then 2000 years ago.
How do you know that you cannot understand the entity or entities that are "higher up"? Can you honestly say that you have exhausted all avenues in this pursuit?
So no, I don't believe there is a God. There proably is something. But we, humans, can't understand it, so what's the point in trying?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure people thought the same thing about what the sun is made of, or what shape the earth is in, more then 2000 years ago.
How do you know that you cannot understand the entity or entities that are "higher up"? Can you honestly say that you have exhausted all avenues in this pursuit?
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[quote name='elprincipe']Your arguments have some very easily punched holes in them, but we have already been through this quite thoroughly recently. So I'll just point you to the discussion.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64123[/QUOTE]
Hey LP, should we stop freezing sperm-egg embryo combos for those soldiers going off to Iraq that you and PAD love to support as well? After all, they all have the potential to be a human being.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64123[/QUOTE]
Hey LP, should we stop freezing sperm-egg embryo combos for those soldiers going off to Iraq that you and PAD love to support as well? After all, they all have the potential to be a human being.
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[quote name='camoor']Hey LP, should we stop freezing sperm-egg embryo combos for those soldiers going off to Iraq that you and PAD love to support as well? After all, they all have the potential to be a human being.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if I read this wrong or not. What does freezing sperm egg combos have to do with abortion? Isn't the purpose to implant them if something happens to the soldier? Though, if you were to let them thaw and die, then that could be considered abortion. But I know a lot of people who support the troops other than those two, in fact I think the overwhelming majority of americans support the troops.
I'm not sure if I read this wrong or not. What does freezing sperm egg combos have to do with abortion? Isn't the purpose to implant them if something happens to the soldier? Though, if you were to let them thaw and die, then that could be considered abortion. But I know a lot of people who support the troops other than those two, in fact I think the overwhelming majority of americans support the troops.
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So no, I don't believe there is a God. There proably is something. But we, humans, can't understand it, so what's the point in trying?[/QUOTE]
With that logic what exactly is the point of trying to understand anything. After all can we ever truly beyond any doubt understand anything?
Personally I've found God to be a much more productive topic after I decided to believe not what God is but what God is not.
So no, I don't believe there is a God. There proably is something. But we, humans, can't understand it, so what's the point in trying?[/QUOTE]
With that logic what exactly is the point of trying to understand anything. After all can we ever truly beyond any doubt understand anything?
Personally I've found God to be a much more productive topic after I decided to believe not what God is but what God is not.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']I'm not sure if I read this wrong or not. What does freezing sperm egg combos have to do with abortion? Isn't the purpose to implant them if something happens to the soldier? Though, if you were to let them thaw and die, then that could be considered abortion. But I know a lot of people who support the troops other than those two, in fact I think the overwhelming majority of americans support the troops.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - my basic point was that if someone believes that when the sperm and the egg combine - then at that moment the thing is a human and it can't be killed - then all those frozen activated embryos have to be raised into babies to protect the humans.
Noone ever talks about this however - because it's a sticky situation for the right - you can't force all those troop families to take care of babies when you're paying them next to nothing. It's much easier for the radical right to hang outside of abortion clinics and get their kicks by threatening poor people with few options, or elect self-rightous politicians that are trying to codify their personal beliefs into law.
Yeah - my basic point was that if someone believes that when the sperm and the egg combine - then at that moment the thing is a human and it can't be killed - then all those frozen activated embryos have to be raised into babies to protect the humans.
Noone ever talks about this however - because it's a sticky situation for the right - you can't force all those troop families to take care of babies when you're paying them next to nothing. It's much easier for the radical right to hang outside of abortion clinics and get their kicks by threatening poor people with few options, or elect self-rightous politicians that are trying to codify their personal beliefs into law.
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