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Well, we went and got our 12:01 tickets today, luckally did not have to wait in line for hours like we did for ep1 and 2. We also found out there are going to be an estimated 700 people for the 12:01 showings.

Anyways, my friends and I have started watching the movies in order for next week, trying to tie everything together.

So for those of you more knowledgeable star war fans,

What is the explanation with, Obi won ep4 and r2, with them not recognizing one another.

And same with Vader and c3p0.
 
Does Vader ever see 3PO? I can't think of any instance where the two intersect. And it seems like Obi-Wan always has more important things to worry about than one small droid.
 
I always wondered about that too. Why didnt Obi Wan didnt recognize R2-D2 in episode 4? Thats a very good point.
 
Anakin Skywalker had contact with C3PO but Vader never really met C3PO. Do you understand? They never interacted in Episodes 4 to 6
 
[quote name='Xevious']Anakin Skywalker had contact with C3PO but Vader never really met C3PO. Do you understand? They never interacted in Episodes 4 to 6[/QUOTE]
Anakin BUILT C3PO, didn't he?
 
There are thousands of R2 units and whatever protocol droid C3P0 is, and they might have had their memories wiped since the older days, so there might be no reason for them to remember each other.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Anakin BUILT C3PO, didn't he?[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt that little brat built C3PO but hey....its a freakin' movie.
 
[quote name='Theenternal']Well, we went and got our 12:01 tickets today, luckally did not have to wait in line for hours like we did for ep1 and 2. We also found out there are going to be an estimated 700 people for the 12:01 showings.

Anyways, my friends and I have started watching the movies in order for next week, trying to tie everything together.

So for those of you more knowledgeable star war fans,

What is the explanation with, Obi won ep4 and r2, with them not recognizing one another.

And same with Vader and c3p0.[/QUOTE]

Here is another question I always wondered about. Why did Anakin Skywalker suddenly have a growth spurt from episode 1 to 2? I mean, everyone else including Queen Amadela (or whatever the fuck her name is) didnt seem to age that much.

Is Anakin trying to shack up with an older woman (who apparently discovered the fountain of youth)? Whats up with that?
 
[quote name='Xevious']I seriously doubt that little brat built C3PO but hey....its a freakin' movie.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they had droid kits like Erector Sets or something...
 
Perhaps Obi won recognized them but didn't say anything to futher his own goals, he's a Jedi afterall. I'd say it's probably more likely because they weren't in the original 3 episodes until Lucas wanted better ties between the 2 trilogies.

Also I don't recall Darth Vader ever seeing C3PO, but even if he did you could always blame it on the "dark side" clouding his memory.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Maybe they had droid kits like Erector Sets or something...[/QUOTE]

Sheeeeeeeet. I wish the kid would come over and fix my stove. My landlord on the other hand is being a pain in the ass.
 
[quote name='Xevious']Here is another question I always wondered about. Why did Anakin Skywalker suddenly have a growth spurt from episode 1 to 2? I mean, everyone else including Queen Amadela (or whatever the fuck her name is) didnt seem to age that much.

Is Anakin trying to shack up with an older woman (who apparently discovered the fountain of youth)? Whats up with that?[/QUOTE]


Well there is a 10 year gap between episode 1 and 2, so he reached and went through his teen growth spurt. Amidala was past the growth spurt phase so she only aged slightly and only became "wiser". And yes he is trying to shack up with her, wouldn't you.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Perhaps Obi won recognized them but didn't say anything to futher his own goals, he's a Jedi afterall. I'd say it's probably more likely because they weren't in the original 3 episodes until Lucas wanted better ties between the 2 trilogies.

Also I don't recall Darth Vader ever seeing C3PO, but even if he did you could always blame it on the "dark side" clouding his memory.[/QUOTE]

Now that I think about it. Darth Vader & C3PO were in the same room in "Empire." It was the scene where they put Han Solo in the freezing chamber. Darth Vader was much too fixated on Han Solo to notice C3PO though.
 
[quote name='Theenternal']Well, we went and got our 12:01 tickets today, luckally did not have to wait in line for hours like we did for ep1 and 2. We also found out there are going to be an estimated 700 people for the 12:01 showings.

Anyways, my friends and I have started watching the movies in order for next week, trying to tie everything together.

So for those of you more knowledgeable star war fans,

What is the explanation with, Obi won ep4 and r2, with them not recognizing one another.

And same with Vader and c3p0.[/QUOTE]

Obi Wan is a crazy old hermit in Eps. IV, so him forgetting one little droid is a good chance. As for Vader, he never really comes into contact with C-3PO in the OT.
 
Although we never see a same colored R2 unit in the movie (So the audience isn't confused), they have to exist. Seeing a R2 unit the same color as "our" R2 unit probably wouldn't mean much.

Obi Won wanted to live the rest of his life as a hermit. I'm sure he wanted nothing but to forget about his past. So something as small as a R2 droid from his past probably passed him by.

I hope they show the droids memories erased in episode III. Leaving it out will simply lead this question as an "excuse" for Lucas making this shit up as he goes along ;)
 
[quote name='Xevious']Now that I think about it. Darth Vader & C3PO were in the same room in "Empire." It was the scene where they put Han Solo in the freezing chamber. Darth Vader was much too fixated on Han Solo to notice C3PO though.[/QUOTE]

Oh that's right, I was thinking about Cloud City but I forgot C3PO was in that room, probably because he was in pieces.:lol:

Still if they were in the same room Darth Vader should have been able to sense him through the force right?;)

I'm going with dark side powers.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Maybe they had droid kits like Erector Sets or something...[/QUOTE]


you also have to realise that young Vader built that pod racer by himself. That seems like even more unrealistic. The driod you can cobble together from old droids. But building a pod racer out of junk ? That I don't buy.

I think Obi wan did recognize R2. He was just playing dumb infront of luke so he didn't ask too many questions.

Vader must have not put 2 & 2 together when it came to C-3PO. There are lots of protocol driods out there and Vader must not realise that C-3PO is the one he built. I'm sure C-3PO is going to be blown up in Ep III & Vader will think he's dead.


My question is that Lucas used to say Uncle Owen and Obi Wan were brothers. I'm guessing that's been thrown out of cannon since the new trilogy came out. Does anyone know ?
 
[quote name='KingDox']you also have to realise that young Vader built that pod racer by himself. That seems like even more unrealistic. The driod you can cobble together from old droids. But building a pod racer out of junk ? That I don't buy.

I think Obi wan did recognize R2. He was just playing dumb infront of luke so he didn't ask too many questions.

Vader must have not put 2 & 2 together when it came to C-3PO. There are lots of protocol driods out there and Vader must not realise that C-3PO is the one he built. I'm sure C-3PO is going to be blown up in Ep III & Vader will think he's dead.


My question is that Lucas used to say Uncle Owen and Obi Wan were brothers. I'm guessing that's been thrown out of cannon since the new trilogy came out. Does anyone know ?[/QUOTE]

Actually Obi-wan did recognize the droids; he was playing dumb. There's also an issue of Star Wars Tales that covers the issue of C3P0 and Vader. Once he was destroyed on Cloud City, the remains were taken to Vader to inspect and see if there were any useful data that could be used to find the whereabouts of the Rebellion leadership (aka Mon Mothma and General Rieekan and others). C3P0 didn't contain any info Vader didn't already know so he took C3P0's head and in a "Alas Yorick! I knew him well." way, said, "It's time to put away the past" and threw the head into a box heap which was then sent down to the incinerator run by Ugnaughts (pig midgets). Chewbacca intercepts the box and then it leads back to the movie as normal. So Vader knew it was his protocol droid. Also, the droids' memories are wiped so that's why they don't recognize any of the 'old' characters in ep. 4-6.

As for the Obi-Wan - Owen brother connection, here:

SW: Insider #67, p. 24: "#4: Owen Kenobi? Following Yoda's death in the shooting script, Obi-Wan has a much longer conversation with Luke in which he explains that he entrusted his brother Owen with raising Luke as an adopted "nephew." The dialogue remained in the novelization, and the Obi-Wan/Owen fraternal link was part of official Star Wars lore for years. Episode II established that Owen was, in fact, Anakin Skywalker's stepbrother."
 
The novelization and graphic novels suggest that C3PO had his memory wiped but not R2D2. This is kind of a nasty joke since only Threepio can really understand R2D2's 'speech.' It also explains why R2D2 is much more confident in the task set to him by Leia while Threepiois clueless. One wonders if R2D2 knew who Leia was in relation to his former owner all along.

Having the little pipsqueak as the only non-Jedi who knows what really happened through is pretty amusing.

Obi won never claims not to recognize the droids because the question never arises. He merely says he never owned any droids, which is entirely honest. Presumably the one that traveled with him in Episode II was property of the Jedi council rather than his own. The council appears much like the Catholic Church hierarchy in regard to property. This would also serve to explain the celibacy among the Jedi but that could also be chalked up to fears of the Jedi forming a closed breeding group within their respective species and creating a clan that rules the galaxy by default with their inherent strength in the Force.
 
I just watched RotJ over the weekend and the scenes with Luke and Vader take on a whole new meaning knowing what we know now about how Vader came to be... one thing I don't understand though is why didn't the Emperor realize what Vader was about to do (throw him over the balcony) and why couldn't he stop him since he is so bad ass. It also makes me wonder why the lightsaber fights in IV, V and VI are so lame (other than having the money to hire choreographers) compared to I and II...
 
[quote name='epobirs']The novelization and graphic novels suggest that C3PO had his memory wiped but not R2D2. This is kind of a nasty joke since only Threepio can really understand R2D2's 'speech.' It also explains why R2D2 is much more confident in the task set to him by Leia while Threepiois clueless. One wonders if R2D2 knew who Leia was in relation to his former owner all along.

Having the little pipsqueak as the only non-Jedi who knows what really happened through is pretty amusing.

Obi won never claims not to recognize the droids because the question never arises. He merely says he never owned any droids, which is entirely honest. Presumably the one that traveled with him in Episode II was property of the Jedi council rather than his own. The council appears much like the Catholic Church hierarchy in regard to property. This would also serve to explain the celibacy among the Jedi but that could also be chalked up to fears of the Jedi forming a closed breeding group within their respective species and creating a clan that rules the galaxy by default with their inherent strength in the Force.[/QUOTE]

After further research, I've seen that you are right about the droid memories... although I can't say how you're right... but you are :applause:;)

[quote name='javeryh']I just watched RotJ over the weekend and the scenes with Luke and Vader take on a whole new meaning knowing what we know now about how Vader came to be... one thing I don't understand though is why didn't the Emperor realize what Vader was about to do (throw him over the balcony) and why couldn't he stop him since he is so bad ass. It also makes me wonder why the lightsaber fights in IV, V and VI are so lame (other than having the money to hire choreographers) compared to I and II...[/QUOTE]

The Emperor thought (as well as Vader himself) that Vader's conversion to the dark side was complete. For all the Emperor's insight, he's not infallible - he can still be tricked. He always said that he can foresee the future but Yoda made it abundantly clear that, according to the Force, the distant future is always in motion and therefore not truly predictable. The Emperor thought Vader was fully in his thrall and incapable of such things. Plus, even if he knew, the Emperor has become an old man whose body is ravaged by the dark side of the Force. The dark side requires a huge price to use for the body so premature aging is a result of this. The Emperor wasn't young to begin with in the new trilogy and 20 yrs have past since then in the old trilogy so he was very very old by ROTJ. The only thing keeping him alive was his sheer will and drive in the dark side of the Force.
 
[quote name='javeryh'] It also makes me wonder why the lightsaber fights in IV, V and VI are so lame (other than having the money to hire choreographers) compared to I and II...[/QUOTE]

That's my problem with the new trilogy. It took all the wonder and coolness out of the original films. In my opinion, it's best to watch 4-6 then 1-3. Otherwise the classics seem crappy in many respects.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I just watched RotJ over the weekend and the scenes with Luke and Vader take on a whole new meaning knowing what we know now about how Vader came to be... one thing I don't understand though is why didn't the Emperor realize what Vader was about to do (throw him over the balcony) and why couldn't he stop him since he is so bad ass. It also makes me wonder why the lightsaber fights in IV, V and VI are so lame (other than having the money to hire choreographers) compared to I and II...[/QUOTE]

Thats a good question. Anakin/Vader was originally thought to fullfill a prophecy that he was the one who was to destroy a great evil (this was mentioned in "Phantom Menace").

In "Empire", Darth Vader said to Luke that He (Luke) was forseen by the Emperor to be the one who will destroy him.

So somehow, the Emperor thought Luke was the real threat. But as we all know, the Anakin/Vader person was the one who actually fullfilled the prophecy.
 
[quote name='Xevious']Thats a good question. Anakin/Vader was originally thought to fullfill a prophecy that he was the one who was to destroy a great evil (this was mentioned in "Phantom Menace").[/QUOTE]

Not entirely true. Anakin was the 'Chosen One' who was thought to bring Balance to the Force. Balance doesn't mean light wins over dark but that they are equal in terms of power. If you think about the time in which Anakin was a kid, the light side was overwhelming the dark so the light needed to be knocked down a few notches (thus his conversion to Vader). Then, since the dark side also became overwhelming (for 20 yrs), it was the light side's turn. So, in effect he did bring balance to the Force by bringing about the destruction of both light and dark respectively.
 
Luke did destroy a great evil -- he destroyed the evil in Vader. It was his suffering that caused Anakin to return. So essentially, they both destroyed a great evil.

Also, I asked one of my SW buddies about the Vader/3PO recognition thing. Sometime during Empire Strikes Back (I think ... maybe ROTJ. It may have been on Bespin), Vader stops a soldier (sniper?) from shooting Chewbacca. Chewbacca is carrying 3PO on his back at this time, and he thus says that he didn't want to risk shooting 3PO.

But why wouldn't he shoot 3PO, who is now on the other side of the war? Because 3PO reminded him of his mother, who 3PO was built to help.

Sounds plausible to me.
 
[quote name='the_gloaming']Luke did destroy a great evil -- he destroyed the evil in Vader. It was his suffering that caused Anakin to return. So essentially, they both destroyed a great evil.

Also, I asked one of my SW buddies about the Vader/3PO recognition thing. Sometime during Empire Strikes Back (I think ... maybe ROTJ. It may have been on Bespin), Vader stops a soldier (sniper?) from shooting Chewbacca. Chewbacca is carrying 3PO on his back at this time, and he thus says that he didn't want to risk shooting 3PO.

But why wouldn't he shoot 3PO, who is now on the other side of the war? Because 3PO reminded him of his mother, who 3PO was built to help.

Sounds plausible to me.[/QUOTE]


Yes that's true, Vader stops Boba Fett from shooting Chewbacca. I never really knew why, but this explanation does kinda make sense.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Actually Obi-wan did recognize the droids; he was playing dumb. There's also an issue of Star Wars Tales that covers the issue of C3P0 and Vader. Once he was destroyed on Cloud City, the remains were taken to Vader to inspect and see if there were any useful data that could be used to find the whereabouts of the Rebellion leadership (aka Mon Mothma and General Rieekan and others). C3P0 didn't contain any info Vader didn't already know so he took C3P0's head and in a "Alas Yorick! I knew him well." way, said, "It's time to put away the past" and threw the head into a box heap which was then sent down to the incinerator run by Ugnaughts (pig midgets). Chewbacca intercepts the box and then it leads back to the movie as normal. So Vader knew it was his protocol droid. Also, the droids' memories are wiped so that's why they don't recognize any of the 'old' characters in ep. 4-6.

As for the Obi-Wan - Owen brother connection, here:

SW: Insider #67, p. 24: "#4: Owen Kenobi? Following Yoda's death in the shooting script, Obi-Wan has a much longer conversation with Luke in which he explains that he entrusted his brother Owen with raising Luke as an adopted "nephew." The dialogue remained in the novelization, and the Obi-Wan/Owen fraternal link was part of official Star Wars lore for years. Episode II established that Owen was, in fact, Anakin Skywalker's stepbrother."[/QUOTE]

to add to this

in star wars the essential guide to characters it refers to owen lars and obi-wan as brothers and in episode 2 to owen and anakin as step brothers and in revenge of the sith, obi-wan says to anakin you were my brother... so wrap your minds around that...
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']Spoiler As if you didn't know already



One of the last scenes of EPSIII is the droids getting their memorys wiped.


End spoilers[/QUOTE]


To define this statement;

Just C3PO gets his memory wiped. R2-D2 does NOT get his wiped.


End correction.
 
[quote name='JOEBOO']to add to this

in star wars the essential guide to characters it refers to owen lars and obi-wan as brothers and in episode 2 to owen and anakin as step brothers and in revenge of the sith, obi-wan says to anakin you were my brother... so wrap your minds around that...[/QUOTE]

Adoptive brothers. Since for a brief period they both had the same father figure, Qui Gon Jin, within the extended family of Jedi.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I just watched RotJ over the weekend and the scenes with Luke and Vader take on a whole new meaning knowing what we know now about how Vader came to be... one thing I don't understand though is why didn't the Emperor realize what Vader was about to do (throw him over the balcony) and why couldn't he stop him since he is so bad ass. It also makes me wonder why the lightsaber fights in IV, V and VI are so lame (other than having the money to hire choreographers) compared to I and II...[/QUOTE]

The same two reasons movies like The Matrix had much better fights than they would have if made a decade earlier. Choreographers from the Asian wire fu industry and CGI to allow more elaborate acrobatics through wire removal and virtual scenery. The previous three films were produced before that technology and the influence of HK action movies.
 
[quote name='epobirs']The same two reasons movies like The Matrix had much better fights than they would have if made a decade earlier. Choreographers from the Asian wire fu industry and CGI to allow more elaborate acrobatics through wire removal and virtual scenery. The previous three films were produced before that technology and the influence of HK action movies.[/QUOTE]

I know but I was looking for some nerd explanation within the films themselves like Luke wasn't really trained properly and Vader and Obi Wan were old and couldn't move like they used to be able to but then I think about Dooku and he was pretty spry for a blue hair. I'm so confused...
 
[quote name='javeryh']I know but I was looking for some nerd explanation within the films themselves like Luke wasn't really trained properly and Vader and Obi Wan were old and couldn't move like they used to be able to but then I think about Dooku and he was pretty spry for a blue hair. I'm so confused...[/QUOTE]
I'd say that Luke had the spirit of Yoda helping him out. One of my favorite plot point is how Vader cuts off Luke's hand in Empire. Like he is trying to take Luke down the same exact path as he did to the dark side.
 
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