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It's official; here's what IGN says:
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What a surprise. Why continue to let Cartoon Network make quality TV when you can use 3D computer animation to rape it in to the ground? Oh wait, I'm sorry. The rampant CGI in Attack of the Clones is what made it so great.
Well it's great that he's stepping away from it, but I hope upon hopes that it is good. It doesn't even have to be awesome, but I hope it's not just a half assed attempt to get more money.
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[quote name='KingSpike']What a surprise. Why continue to let Cartoon Network make quality TV when you can use 3D computer animation to rape it in to the ground? Oh wait, I'm sorry. The rampant CGI in Attack of the Clones is what made it so great.
Well it's great that he's stepping away from it, but I hope upon hopes that it is good. It doesn't even have to be awesome, but I hope it's not just a half assed attempt to get more money.[/QUOTE]
maybe theyll get the crew from the star wars christmas specials back
Well it's great that he's stepping away from it, but I hope upon hopes that it is good. It doesn't even have to be awesome, but I hope it's not just a half assed attempt to get more money.[/QUOTE]
maybe theyll get the crew from the star wars christmas specials back
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Lucas is an ass, I think Bill Gates should buy the rights for Star Wars from him and rape it to make a new version of Windows, that wouldn't be as horrible as what's currently being done to the name.
Episode 1 was a children's movie ! JAR JAR ??? ?! WTF ?!?!?!??!!?
Episode 1 was a children's movie ! JAR JAR ??? ?! WTF ?!?!?!??!!?
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I just saw the stupidest promo on E!'s little entertainment whoring show.
"ARE YOU A STAR WARS FAN? WELL YOU HAVE ANOTHER REASON TO WATCH THE OC. George Lucas is going to be a guest star. He takes an interest in *Character's Name*'s book and, like Yoda, gives sage-like advice."
Unless Lucas says "Hmm, sucks your grammar does!" then why would Star Wars fans give a damn? Why would ANYONE give a damn?
"ARE YOU A STAR WARS FAN? WELL YOU HAVE ANOTHER REASON TO WATCH THE OC. George Lucas is going to be a guest star. He takes an interest in *Character's Name*'s book and, like Yoda, gives sage-like advice."
Unless Lucas says "Hmm, sucks your grammar does!" then why would Star Wars fans give a damn? Why would ANYONE give a damn?
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a star wars series?
I'd hit it. =P
The animated clone wars one is pretty decent from what I've seen, and if it sucks, then so be it, I'll stop watching.
Star Wars is George Lucas' moneymaker, so if he wants to shake it, so be it, right? :lol:
I'd hit it. =P
The animated clone wars one is pretty decent from what I've seen, and if it sucks, then so be it, I'll stop watching.
Star Wars is George Lucas' moneymaker, so if he wants to shake it, so be it, right? :lol:
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I fail to see after creating the Wookie Christmas, the ewok movies and lego starwars how a live action show could possibly tarnish the star wars name.
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Star Wars is George Lucas' moneymaker, so if he wants to shake it, so be it, right? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. I'm all for a live action TV show, a half hour animated Clone Wars series, more games, more books, etc etc. But if it is clear that he is more interested solely in money and doesn't care that much about his fans (I believe he's said something pretty much to that effect...about not caring about the fans' opinions) then it's lame.
Star Wars is George Lucas' moneymaker, so if he wants to shake it, so be it, right? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. I'm all for a live action TV show, a half hour animated Clone Wars series, more games, more books, etc etc. But if it is clear that he is more interested solely in money and doesn't care that much about his fans (I believe he's said something pretty much to that effect...about not caring about the fans' opinions) then it's lame.
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[quote name='zionoverfire']I fail to see after creating the Wookie Christmas, the ewok movies and lego starwars how a live action show could possibly tarnish the star wars name.[/QUOTE]
Have you played Lego Star Wars? I think it's pretty fun.
And the Ewok movies were AWESOME.
Although, I may have just ruined any credibility I had...
Have you played Lego Star Wars? I think it's pretty fun.
And the Ewok movies were AWESOME.
Although, I may have just ruined any credibility I had...
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[quote name='KingSpike']What a surprise. Why continue to let Cartoon Network make quality TV when you can use 3D computer animation to rape it in to the ground? Oh wait, I'm sorry. The rampant CGI in Attack of the Clones is what made it so great.
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I agree because the animation in the Incredibles and Toy Story was so weak.
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I agree because the animation in the Incredibles and Toy Story was so weak.
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I'd probably watch a live action series, I'm sure I've watch lesser things before. But if they insist on changing Clone Wars over to computer animation then I will likely stop watching that.
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[quote name='Steve Dave']I agree because the animation in the Incredibles and Toy Story was so weak.[/QUOTE]
Yes, two blockbuster movies compared to a TV show. That is a logical, acceptable comparison.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0317705/business
This is the business information for the Incredibles. You'll see the estimated budget of $92 million. The runtime is 121 minutes.
So a comparable cost for one 20 minute episode of Lucas' CGI show if it was Incredibles quality (doing really simple math) would be $15,333,333.33. Now, the above is just estimated, so it could be a little higher or a little lower for Lucas' show. By the way, if anyone can provide more solid numbers I'd love to see them.
But do you honestly think he would make that much money off of one episode to justify a $15 million per episode budget? I highly doubt he would spend that much money on it, so the quality would have to take a dive. And with Lucas seemingly wanting to make money above quality, he wouldn't spend that much money because he KNOWS that even if it wasn't that good it would still sell. Look at all the shitty Star Wars games. People decry the movies and yet still go see them 5 times. So why should he make them Incredibles-quality CGI if he knows that he can make money off of them with lower quality?
Yes, two blockbuster movies compared to a TV show. That is a logical, acceptable comparison.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0317705/business
This is the business information for the Incredibles. You'll see the estimated budget of $92 million. The runtime is 121 minutes.
So a comparable cost for one 20 minute episode of Lucas' CGI show if it was Incredibles quality (doing really simple math) would be $15,333,333.33. Now, the above is just estimated, so it could be a little higher or a little lower for Lucas' show. By the way, if anyone can provide more solid numbers I'd love to see them.
But do you honestly think he would make that much money off of one episode to justify a $15 million per episode budget? I highly doubt he would spend that much money on it, so the quality would have to take a dive. And with Lucas seemingly wanting to make money above quality, he wouldn't spend that much money because he KNOWS that even if it wasn't that good it would still sell. Look at all the shitty Star Wars games. People decry the movies and yet still go see them 5 times. So why should he make them Incredibles-quality CGI if he knows that he can make money off of them with lower quality?
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Although, I may have just ruined any credibility I had...[/QUOTE]
Yes, this thread shall tarnish your reputation on this site.... forever!:shock:
Although, I may have just ruined any credibility I had...[/QUOTE]
Yes, this thread shall tarnish your reputation on this site.... forever!:shock:
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I'd watch it at least once, if it was well recieved.
so about this star wars tv show... awhile back i remember reading an interview with kevin smith, and there was speculation that he would be working on a star wars tv show and at the time he couldnt comment on it. now lucas says this, i wonder if kevin smith will be one of the people he hands it over to when he "walks away" from it. well itd have to be good if its kevin smith, right?
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[quote name='iheartmetal']well itd have to be good if its kevin smith, right?[/QUOTE]
Yes, Kevin Smith being a part of it would be awesome. I would regain some faith in Lucas if he did that.
I remember Kevin Smith saying he submitted a screenplay for the new Star Wars movies and that they were, unfortunately, rejected.
Yes, Kevin Smith being a part of it would be awesome. I would regain some faith in Lucas if he did that.
I remember Kevin Smith saying he submitted a screenplay for the new Star Wars movies and that they were, unfortunately, rejected.
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[quote name='iheartmetal']. well itd have to be good if its kevin smith, right?[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='KingSpike']Yes, two blockbuster movies compared to a TV show. That is a logical, acceptable comparison.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0317705/business
This is the business information for the Incredibles. You'll see the estimated budget of $92 million. The runtime is 121 minutes.
So a comparable cost for one 20 minute episode of Lucas' CGI show if it was Incredibles quality (doing really simple math) would be $15,333,333.33. Now, the above is just estimated, so it could be a little higher or a little lower for Lucas' show. By the way, if anyone can provide more solid numbers I'd love to see them.
But do you honestly think he would make that much money off of one episode to justify a $15 million per episode budget? I highly doubt he would spend that much money on it, so the quality would have to take a dive. And with Lucas seemingly wanting to make money above quality, he wouldn't spend that much money because he KNOWS that even if it wasn't that good it would still sell. Look at all the shitty Star Wars games. People decry the movies and yet still go see them 5 times. So why should he make them Incredibles-quality CGI if he knows that he can make money off of them with lower quality?[/QUOTE]
Other TV series would make a better comparison. Reboot, one of the first all CGI series, came in at a reasonable price using hardware and software that would seem like making movies with a hand cranked camera compared to what is available today. One of the fascinating things about Reboot is that you could see it evolve as it went along. Over the course of the four seasons the time to produce an episode decreased to a tiny fraction of when they started out but the animation complexity and quality increased throughout.
I would be far, far more concerned with the quality of writing and voice actors than the ability to generate engaging animation on a reasonable budget. Of course, the definition of a reasonable busdget may be much higher than you think. Dramas with large casts are very expensive these days. ER comes in at around $13 million an episode. Even a popular half-hour sitcom can be costly. When Jerry Seinfeld turned down doing another season the offer was for $5 million per episode. Factoring in at least $1 million each for the other main actors and you have more than $10 million buscks for a half-hour of TV. Need we mention the cost per episode of 'Friends' after it became an anchor of NBC's schedule?
In all of these cases the #1 cost is the actors and keeping them bound to the show when film work or just plain exhaustion enters the picture. A lot of other shows with no or few recognizable (to non-fans) names in the cast come in a hell of a lot cheaper, even though many of them are heavy users of CGI sequences. Pioneering this was 'Babylon 5' which came in for well under $1 million an episode. CGI can be an amazing bargain for shows set in outer space compared to motion control model work. If you work figure for inflation the most recent Star Trek series, 'Enterpise,' comes in a fair bit cheaper per episode than than 'The Next Generation,' which at the time it started production set a new record for per episode budget. Despite this and any issues people might have with the show itself there is no denying the current series delivers vastly better quality effects sequences with no annoying limits on new ship designs, number of objects in a scene or use of camera angles. When it was all models having a detailed new ship appear meant budgeting considerable time and money in advance for Greg Jein to build it and making sure a later episode in the season had no need for new effect sequences so as to make up the cost.
Episodic animation work has lower costs over feature film work. Not due to any difference in quality (although some show cheat by targeting NTSC/PAL and ending with stuff that will show some flaw in HD) but because they get a lot more mileage from the primary character and set designs. For instace, the cost for modeling the interior space of a ship that appears in nearly every episode of this new Star Wars show will work out to a lower cost spread out over the dozen or so hours of an entire season than for just a single feature film.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0317705/business
This is the business information for the Incredibles. You'll see the estimated budget of $92 million. The runtime is 121 minutes.
So a comparable cost for one 20 minute episode of Lucas' CGI show if it was Incredibles quality (doing really simple math) would be $15,333,333.33. Now, the above is just estimated, so it could be a little higher or a little lower for Lucas' show. By the way, if anyone can provide more solid numbers I'd love to see them.
But do you honestly think he would make that much money off of one episode to justify a $15 million per episode budget? I highly doubt he would spend that much money on it, so the quality would have to take a dive. And with Lucas seemingly wanting to make money above quality, he wouldn't spend that much money because he KNOWS that even if it wasn't that good it would still sell. Look at all the shitty Star Wars games. People decry the movies and yet still go see them 5 times. So why should he make them Incredibles-quality CGI if he knows that he can make money off of them with lower quality?[/QUOTE]
Other TV series would make a better comparison. Reboot, one of the first all CGI series, came in at a reasonable price using hardware and software that would seem like making movies with a hand cranked camera compared to what is available today. One of the fascinating things about Reboot is that you could see it evolve as it went along. Over the course of the four seasons the time to produce an episode decreased to a tiny fraction of when they started out but the animation complexity and quality increased throughout.
I would be far, far more concerned with the quality of writing and voice actors than the ability to generate engaging animation on a reasonable budget. Of course, the definition of a reasonable busdget may be much higher than you think. Dramas with large casts are very expensive these days. ER comes in at around $13 million an episode. Even a popular half-hour sitcom can be costly. When Jerry Seinfeld turned down doing another season the offer was for $5 million per episode. Factoring in at least $1 million each for the other main actors and you have more than $10 million buscks for a half-hour of TV. Need we mention the cost per episode of 'Friends' after it became an anchor of NBC's schedule?
In all of these cases the #1 cost is the actors and keeping them bound to the show when film work or just plain exhaustion enters the picture. A lot of other shows with no or few recognizable (to non-fans) names in the cast come in a hell of a lot cheaper, even though many of them are heavy users of CGI sequences. Pioneering this was 'Babylon 5' which came in for well under $1 million an episode. CGI can be an amazing bargain for shows set in outer space compared to motion control model work. If you work figure for inflation the most recent Star Trek series, 'Enterpise,' comes in a fair bit cheaper per episode than than 'The Next Generation,' which at the time it started production set a new record for per episode budget. Despite this and any issues people might have with the show itself there is no denying the current series delivers vastly better quality effects sequences with no annoying limits on new ship designs, number of objects in a scene or use of camera angles. When it was all models having a detailed new ship appear meant budgeting considerable time and money in advance for Greg Jein to build it and making sure a later episode in the season had no need for new effect sequences so as to make up the cost.
Episodic animation work has lower costs over feature film work. Not due to any difference in quality (although some show cheat by targeting NTSC/PAL and ending with stuff that will show some flaw in HD) but because they get a lot more mileage from the primary character and set designs. For instace, the cost for modeling the interior space of a ship that appears in nearly every episode of this new Star Wars show will work out to a lower cost spread out over the dozen or so hours of an entire season than for just a single feature film.
[quote name='"epobirs"']I would be far, far more concerned with the quality of writing and voice actors than the ability to generate engaging animation on a reasonable budget. [/QUOTE]
Exactly. Story nuance and dialog are not Lucas's strong points. He gives a terriffic grand vision, or scope, of a storyline but the details leave much to be desired. Aside from very few good performances by a select few actors in all of the Star Wars films, most of the dialogue is impossible to watch without creating a painful response in this observer.
As long as the episodes are well written, I'll watch it.
Exactly. Story nuance and dialog are not Lucas's strong points. He gives a terriffic grand vision, or scope, of a storyline but the details leave much to be desired. Aside from very few good performances by a select few actors in all of the Star Wars films, most of the dialogue is impossible to watch without creating a painful response in this observer.
As long as the episodes are well written, I'll watch it.
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I'd give it a chance, but I hope they get very high-quality writers and actors and don't try to rely on special effects to draw viewers in. So this means the less Lucas is hands-on, the better.
I'm curious that if they won't be concentrating on characters from the films, what kind of stories will they write? Will it go for a more broad all-ages appeal, or a more grown-up flavor? Please no Jar-Jar or Ewoks - ever.
It could be as good as Firefly or as bad as Planet of the Apes (the TV series).
I'm curious that if they won't be concentrating on characters from the films, what kind of stories will they write? Will it go for a more broad all-ages appeal, or a more grown-up flavor? Please no Jar-Jar or Ewoks - ever.
It could be as good as Firefly or as bad as Planet of the Apes (the TV series).
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I'd have to watch at least the 1st episode to make an opinion on watching anymore.
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[quote name='KingSpike']Yes, two blockbuster movies compared to a TV show. That is a logical, acceptable comparison.[/quote]
When it is a Star Wars TV show you better damn well believe it is a logical and acceptable comparison.
I love the Clone Wars animation and I would be very happy if others things like the comics books used more of it but why does it have to be the same type of animation? Is that the only acceptable form of animation that has ever been used?
Since when has Lucas cut corners?
And? So every game should be exactly like KOTOR(or whatever one you do like) since it was the most successful. The games can never change?
First off what proof do you have that it will be lower quality? Second so what if it is lower quality. The Clone Wars micro series wasn't as expensive(since this is what you examples use, price) as many computer animation films/shows whatever but it was still high quality.
Not sure what your complaint is besides the PT not turning out exactly how you wanted and now your going to bitch about every Lucas project that comes along.
When it is a Star Wars TV show you better damn well believe it is a logical and acceptable comparison.
I love the Clone Wars animation and I would be very happy if others things like the comics books used more of it but why does it have to be the same type of animation? Is that the only acceptable form of animation that has ever been used?
Since when has Lucas cut corners?
And? So every game should be exactly like KOTOR(or whatever one you do like) since it was the most successful. The games can never change?
First off what proof do you have that it will be lower quality? Second so what if it is lower quality. The Clone Wars micro series wasn't as expensive(since this is what you examples use, price) as many computer animation films/shows whatever but it was still high quality.
Not sure what your complaint is besides the PT not turning out exactly how you wanted and now your going to bitch about every Lucas project that comes along.
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[quote name='Steve Dave']When it is a Star Wars TV show you better damn well believe it is a logical and acceptable comparison.
I love the Clone Wars animation and I would be very happy if others things like the comics books used more of it but why does it have to be the same type of animation? Is that the only acceptable form of animation that has ever been used?[/QUOTE]
Actually it's not an acceptable comparison, I don't care what the content is, no TV show has a budget equal to that of a major multi-million dollar film like the Incredibles. Also, the same style is used in some comic books and actualy 2D, handrawn animation is becoming the minority of animated films and TV shows produced in America today.
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Since when has Lucas cut corners?
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Ever seen Howard the Duck, Young Indiana Jones, or some of the worthless Staw Wars stuff from the later half of the 80s?
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And? So every game should be exactly like KOTOR(or whatever one you do like) since it was the most successful. The games can never change?
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This I actually agree with you on, but a majority of the Star Wars game made often leave something to be desired.
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First off what proof do you have that it will be lower quality? Second so what if it is lower quality. The Clone Wars micro series wasn't as expensive(since this is what you examples use, price) as many computer animation films/shows whatever but it was still high quality.
Not sure what your complaint is besides the PT not turning out exactly how you wanted and now your going to bitch about every Lucas project that comes along.[/QUOTE]
The quality will reamin to be seen, but being a micro series it didn't need an outrageous budget or anything, however compared to some more easily produced shows I can gaurentee it wasn't cheap. Plus, if they switch the Clone Wars over to 3D computer animation chances are alot of the talent that made Clone Wars what it is (Tartakovsky, the Andrews, etc.) will leave or be removed. Perhaps they'll get someone just as good to follow but chances of that are slim.
I love the Clone Wars animation and I would be very happy if others things like the comics books used more of it but why does it have to be the same type of animation? Is that the only acceptable form of animation that has ever been used?[/QUOTE]
Actually it's not an acceptable comparison, I don't care what the content is, no TV show has a budget equal to that of a major multi-million dollar film like the Incredibles. Also, the same style is used in some comic books and actualy 2D, handrawn animation is becoming the minority of animated films and TV shows produced in America today.
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Since when has Lucas cut corners?
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Ever seen Howard the Duck, Young Indiana Jones, or some of the worthless Staw Wars stuff from the later half of the 80s?
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And? So every game should be exactly like KOTOR(or whatever one you do like) since it was the most successful. The games can never change?
[/QUOTE]
This I actually agree with you on, but a majority of the Star Wars game made often leave something to be desired.
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First off what proof do you have that it will be lower quality? Second so what if it is lower quality. The Clone Wars micro series wasn't as expensive(since this is what you examples use, price) as many computer animation films/shows whatever but it was still high quality.
Not sure what your complaint is besides the PT not turning out exactly how you wanted and now your going to bitch about every Lucas project that comes along.[/QUOTE]
The quality will reamin to be seen, but being a micro series it didn't need an outrageous budget or anything, however compared to some more easily produced shows I can gaurentee it wasn't cheap. Plus, if they switch the Clone Wars over to 3D computer animation chances are alot of the talent that made Clone Wars what it is (Tartakovsky, the Andrews, etc.) will leave or be removed. Perhaps they'll get someone just as good to follow but chances of that are slim.
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[quote name='iheartmetal']ive blocked it from memory, just like episode 1 and 2[/QUOTE]
Good call, I one day hope to develop such a skill.:lol:
Good call, I one day hope to develop such a skill.:lol:
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[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Actually it's not an acceptable comparison, I don't care what the content is, no TV show has a budget equal to that of a major multi-million dollar film like the Incredibles. Also, the same style is used in some comic books and actualy 2D, handrawn animation is becoming the minority of animated films and TV shows produced in America today. [/quote]
I guess you are right I mean ER costs 13 million an episode. It would be absolutly impossible to make a good animation at 13 million an episode.
Yeah and Young Indiana Jones was a well done show. The others were just crappy ideas not cutting corners. So again when has Lucas cut corners?
I never though that Tartakovsky and others would be involved, but that isn't a bad thing. As talented as Tartakovsky is and he is very talented there are countless others out there with just as much skill and ability. As for cost, Family Guy is about 1 million an episode, so I don't think a 3 min or 12 min show comes in at that high a price considering the Star Wars name is attached.
This is based on nothing. Just bitching to bitch. Tartakovsky isn't the pinnacle of animation so the fact that he isn't attached to the new cartoon at this point doesn't mean doom and gloom.
I guess you are right I mean ER costs 13 million an episode. It would be absolutly impossible to make a good animation at 13 million an episode.
Yeah and Young Indiana Jones was a well done show. The others were just crappy ideas not cutting corners. So again when has Lucas cut corners?
I never though that Tartakovsky and others would be involved, but that isn't a bad thing. As talented as Tartakovsky is and he is very talented there are countless others out there with just as much skill and ability. As for cost, Family Guy is about 1 million an episode, so I don't think a 3 min or 12 min show comes in at that high a price considering the Star Wars name is attached.
This is based on nothing. Just bitching to bitch. Tartakovsky isn't the pinnacle of animation so the fact that he isn't attached to the new cartoon at this point doesn't mean doom and gloom.
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[quote name='Steve Dave']I guess you are right I mean ER costs 13 million an episode. It would be absolutly impossible to make a good animation at 13 million an episode.
Yeah and Young Indiana Jones was a well done show. The others were just crappy ideas not cutting corners. So again when has Lucas cut corners?
I never though that Tartakovsky and others would be involved, but that isn't a bad thing. As talented as Tartakovsky is and he is very talented there are countless others out there with just as much skill and ability. As for cost, Family Guy is about 1 million an episode, so I don't think a 3 min or 12 min show comes in at that high a price considering the Star Wars name is attached.
This is based on nothing. Just bitching to bitch. Tartakovsky isn't the pinnacle of animation so the fact that he isn't attached to the new cartoon at this point doesn't mean doom and gloom.[/QUOTE]
I'm too lazy to do all the quotes thing so I'll just do it this way...
A) I'll have to take your word on the numbers for that, but still ER is a broadcast TV series that still pulls in around 15-20 million viewers a week. It has to pay big name actors (or used to be at least), extras, build sets, and a lot of other costs animated shows don't have. But that's not even the point, the point is this series is apparently going on Cartoon Network which is a basic cable station, not broadcast TV. They in theory could spend that much on animation but they'd be broke after 2 shows because there's no way it's pulling in 15 million viewers and it will also be extemely difficult if not impossible to make the money back trhough syndication. It's just not at all practical. Now 13 mill or so is possible for the live action series, but you'd at the very least have to put it on one of the big 4 for it to be successful.
B) Young Indiana Jones was decent but lost it's luster fast IMO. Still, you can't tell me that the Ewok & Droid specials didn't cut corners. They could've been much better even the production and animation was not that great even for 1985. I look at some of the animation coming from Japan a that time and it buts that animation to shame quickly. You could argue other series such as Thundercats had crisper animation. Where was all the budget busting on that those? Also one could argue that not taking the time to get an idea right is cutting corners.
C) I don't know why you bothered to mention Fmaily Guy as isn't computer animated, or that much easier to produce because it's still mostly (if not all) hand-drawn. I was speaking about shows like south park, some 3D shows on CN, shows with flash style animaiton, etc. All are quicker and easier to produce as is most computer animation. Tartakovsky is good, and IMO is one the best western animation directors out there, perhaps the best on TV. Now there's others with just as much skill and great ideas, but they certainly aren't a dime dozen and won't be easy to find. Lucas has cast off directors in the past and replaced them with lesser ones (see Empire vs. Reurn of the Jedi for reference) so I was just going by past history. Also, two other key artists and writers, Mark and Bryan Andrews could leave and that will also deal a blow because though they don't have much experience, they added alot of flavor to the orginal creation. It may turn out even better than the micro-series, I dunno, but I think at the very least without key people returning it will lose alot of what what made it enjoyable, for me at least. It's like when someone does a remake of film you almost instantly compare it to the original and if you really liked the original's style and diraction you maybe a little bias. And maybe I'm throwing such a fit, because everything is moving to computer animation which imho is much more bland than classic hand-drawn animation.
Yeah and Young Indiana Jones was a well done show. The others were just crappy ideas not cutting corners. So again when has Lucas cut corners?
I never though that Tartakovsky and others would be involved, but that isn't a bad thing. As talented as Tartakovsky is and he is very talented there are countless others out there with just as much skill and ability. As for cost, Family Guy is about 1 million an episode, so I don't think a 3 min or 12 min show comes in at that high a price considering the Star Wars name is attached.
This is based on nothing. Just bitching to bitch. Tartakovsky isn't the pinnacle of animation so the fact that he isn't attached to the new cartoon at this point doesn't mean doom and gloom.[/QUOTE]
I'm too lazy to do all the quotes thing so I'll just do it this way...
A) I'll have to take your word on the numbers for that, but still ER is a broadcast TV series that still pulls in around 15-20 million viewers a week. It has to pay big name actors (or used to be at least), extras, build sets, and a lot of other costs animated shows don't have. But that's not even the point, the point is this series is apparently going on Cartoon Network which is a basic cable station, not broadcast TV. They in theory could spend that much on animation but they'd be broke after 2 shows because there's no way it's pulling in 15 million viewers and it will also be extemely difficult if not impossible to make the money back trhough syndication. It's just not at all practical. Now 13 mill or so is possible for the live action series, but you'd at the very least have to put it on one of the big 4 for it to be successful.
B) Young Indiana Jones was decent but lost it's luster fast IMO. Still, you can't tell me that the Ewok & Droid specials didn't cut corners. They could've been much better even the production and animation was not that great even for 1985. I look at some of the animation coming from Japan a that time and it buts that animation to shame quickly. You could argue other series such as Thundercats had crisper animation. Where was all the budget busting on that those? Also one could argue that not taking the time to get an idea right is cutting corners.
C) I don't know why you bothered to mention Fmaily Guy as isn't computer animated, or that much easier to produce because it's still mostly (if not all) hand-drawn. I was speaking about shows like south park, some 3D shows on CN, shows with flash style animaiton, etc. All are quicker and easier to produce as is most computer animation. Tartakovsky is good, and IMO is one the best western animation directors out there, perhaps the best on TV. Now there's others with just as much skill and great ideas, but they certainly aren't a dime dozen and won't be easy to find. Lucas has cast off directors in the past and replaced them with lesser ones (see Empire vs. Reurn of the Jedi for reference) so I was just going by past history. Also, two other key artists and writers, Mark and Bryan Andrews could leave and that will also deal a blow because though they don't have much experience, they added alot of flavor to the orginal creation. It may turn out even better than the micro-series, I dunno, but I think at the very least without key people returning it will lose alot of what what made it enjoyable, for me at least. It's like when someone does a remake of film you almost instantly compare it to the original and if you really liked the original's style and diraction you maybe a little bias. And maybe I'm throwing such a fit, because everything is moving to computer animation which imho is much more bland than classic hand-drawn animation.
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