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First Hillary last week.

Next, the Illinois bill.

Then the Mark Ecko thing, which for some reason I can't find. But, basically it was some government official bitching that they should "just include a can of spray paint" because its teaching children how to break the law.

link thanks to lebowsky. AKA: the dude.

Finally, the whole 25 to life thing is about to blow up as well. Luckily there is a petition for that one.

http://www.stopkill.com/ is the last straw. A VIDEO GAME AMBULANCE CHASER!!?!?!

This is insane, there has got to be something we can do. I hate sitting here and watching our medium be shit on without anyone going to bat for us and our culture.

EDIT: Added Ecko link.
 
Most of this garbage is being aimed at M$ and Sony as much as, if not more than, the actual companies who make the games. And people call Nintendo stupid...


Seriously, it's retarded. But then again, I don't like those games anyway. I have always thought that they were a bit overkill...
 
stopkill.com

"Please fee free to use the below contact information. "

You're right, I can't stand spelling mistakes and plain websites.

"If you have kids, have them start shooting hoops instead of humans."

Advice taken
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']First Hillary last week.

Next, the Illinois bill.

Then the Mark Ecko thing, which for some reason I can't find. But, basically it was some government official bitching that they should "just include a can of spray paint" because its teaching children how to break the law.

Finally, the whole 25 to life thing is about to blow up as well. Luckily there is a petition for that one.

http://www.stopkill.com/ is the last straw. A VIDEO GAME AMBULANCE CHASER!!?!?!

This is insane, there has got to be something we can do. I hate sitting here and watching our medium be shit on without anyone going to bat for us and our culture.[/QUOTE]

Here is the Mark Ecko thing.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/635/635551p1.html

Here is what happens when someone does try to talk about the videogame culture:

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=5179663&publicUserId=5345401

As far as stopkill.com, that jackass has been trying to prosecute companies for creating "murder simulators" for years and hasn't won a case yet...and most likely never will.

I love this quote about GTA from his site:

In this game you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her grotesquely to get your money back and win the game faster.

Yes because we know getting the hundred dollars back from a dead hooker in GTA will definitely help you "win the game faster."

This is getting out of control. I still blame Janet's titty.
 
"n this game you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her grotesquely to get your money back and win the game faster."
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I read a quote from Hillary last week that said something like, "the goal in GTA is to kill policemen to get more points."

I would mind less if they were actually informed when speaking and deciding what is right and what is wrong.
 
I honestly couldn't care less what happens to shock-value games.

Tell me when they go after REAL games and I'll write my representative, he owes me a favor anyway.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']I honestly couldn't care less what happens to shock-value games.

Tell me when they go after REAL games and I'll write my representative, he owes me a favor anyway.[/QUOTE]

Therein lies a need for preemptive action. It's GTA now, but what if Silent Hill or RE is next?
 
I agree, oh wait i cant agree because i am to stupid to have an opinion. Damn guess i should do what the fragmented sentence tells me to do and "End Self."

With all fuck you's aside, I happen to agree, "entertainment" seems to be the goverments golden child. When anything at all happens they just blame it on the teletubbies and that starfish from spongebob being gay. Maybe its the goverment not seeing, caring, or knowing about real problems or more imporant issues. Hell i dont know why they spend so much time showing the "cancer" of harry potter. They complained that kids now a days were not reading enough, but bash anything that they try to read.

What can we do? Dont know that one either, but it doesnt help that the only people going to bat for us are the people who are trying their ass off to take advantage of the system, I.E. Rockstar games and others like them. They continue to do blatantly stupid things, then try to defending themselfs by using the same arguements that other "legit" games use. Say for example Lord of the Rings games, thus making all video game companies look bad.

Meh.
 
Exactly, there is zero violence, (that I know of) in Getting Up. And yet they found something to bitch about. Why not Pokemon? Animal cruelty, it teaches kids to keep yellow electrified cats in little vending machine balls.
 
But the politicians are only going after games because of the media reports.

Put AO ratings on shock-value games and the media won't have much to bitch about.

And don't forget, those religious christian extremists who want to ban everything only live in America, and most of the games we play are published or developed in Japan, Europe, or Canada. And thanks to all of our tax and trade loopholes any US company can easily move out of the country.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Exactly, there is zero violence, (that I know of) in Getting Up. And yet they found something to bitch about. Why not Pokemon? Animal cruelty, it teaches kids to keep yellow electrified cats in little vending machine balls.[/QUOTE]
Don't give them any ideas.

We can just wait and hope this all blows over. It has before - anyone else remember the reaction to the first few Mortal Kombat games?
 
It has before - anyone else remember the reaction to the first few Mortal Kombat games?
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I do, vividly. That is what I'm scared of. There was no ESRB before MK. So what's going to happen after GTA? Apparently only games with abbreviations come under fire, I just realized. So pokemon is probably safe...
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']

And don't forget, those religious christian extremists who want to ban everything only live in America, and most of the games we play are published or developed in Japan, Europe, or Canada. And thanks to all of our tax and trade loopholes any US company can easily move out of the country.[/QUOTE]

I hope you're not trying to turn this into a Leftwing Vs. Rightwing situation:

Hilary Clinton(D)
Peter F. Vallone (D)- Ecko situation
Rod Blagojevich(D)- Illinois Bill
Sen. Charles Schumer(D)- 25 to life

I think I'll stick with the Republicans on this.
 
The dems are laying the basis for their '08 runs now, trying to show "family values" through the current whipping post, games. Doing this allows them the luxury of saying they are dems but acting like reps and hopefully swinging the moderate right, that is fed up with Bush and his ways, further blurring the actual differences between the two parties.
 
It's not a partisan issue, all politicians are against children being able to buy sexually explicit media.

I mean the people who want EVERYTHING from Harry Potter, to Animal Farm, to Pokemon banned from everyone. Politicians who listen to and agree with fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are my main concern, not a bunch of senators trying to up the rating on a sex game.


The current "attacks" on video games are not to ban them, if you are old enough to play them there would be absolutely nothing stopping you from buying it or a company from selling it to you.
They just don't want children playing those games.

No game, book, movie, video or any other media has ever been banned nor ever will be banned, so stop using that word.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']The dems are laying the basis for their '08 runs now, trying to show "family values" through the current whipping post, games. Doing this allows them the luxury of saying they are dems but acting like reps and hopefully swinging the moderate right, that is fed up with Bush and his ways, further blurring the actual differences between the two parties.[/QUOTE]

Only problem is, not all Republicans feel the same way about "Family Values":
"I'm asking you to stand up for the First Amendment. I'm asking you today to tell parents, 'That's your responsibility, not mine,'" Rep. Bill Black, R-Danville, told the House.

That whole "Republicans are uptight family values oriented Jesus Freaks" is totally false, and they're going to find that out the hard way.
 
Reality's Fringe said:
I hope you're not trying to turn this into a Leftwing Vs. Rightwing situation:

Hilary Clinton(D)
Peter F. Vallone (D)- Ecko situation
Rod Blagojevich(D)- Illinois Bill
Sen. Charles Schumer(D)- 25 to life

I think I'll stick with the Republicans on this.
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Didn't you see how he turned the Mario thread into a right wing conspiracy thread? Seriously though, that's how every post of his is. I wouldn't sweat it, RF. I just pat him on the head and go my merry way these days. Afterall, he must have a pretty sad life if that's the type of stuff he has to cook up every day.;)
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']The dems are laying the basis for their '08 runs now, trying to show "family values" through the current whipping post, games. Doing this allows them the luxury of saying they are dems but acting like reps and hopefully swinging the moderate right, that is fed up with Bush and his ways, further blurring the actual differences between the two parties.[/QUOTE]

You couldnt be more right.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']Didn't you see how he turned the Mario thread into a right wing conspiracy thread? Seriously though, that's how every post of his is. I wouldn't sweat it, RF. I just pat him on the head and go my merry way these days. Afterall, he must have a pretty sad life if that's the type of stuff he has to cook up every day.;)[/QUOTE]

Look at the ads at the bottom of the page... They're advertising the campaign...

:rofl:
 
Wait, when did this turn into a democrat bashing thread?

It's not a partisan issue, all politicians are against children being able to buy sexually explicit media.

I mean the people who want EVERYTHING from Harry Potter, to Animal Farm, to Pokemon banned from everyone. Politicians who listen to and agree with fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are my main concern, not a bunch of senators trying to up the rating on a sex game.


The current "attacks" on video games are not to ban them, if you are old enough to play them there would be absolutely nothing stopping you from buying it or a company from selling it to you.
They just don't want children playing those games.
 
Reality's Fringe said:
I hope you're not trying to turn this into a Leftwing Vs. Rightwing situation:

Hilary Clinton(D)
Peter F. Vallone (D)- Ecko situation
Rod Blagojevich(D)- Illinois Bill
Sen. Charles Schumer(D)- 25 to life

I think I'll stick with the Republicans on this.
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I thought Democrats were the open minded ones....I have no problem with it being AO, IMO, their isn't any difference between the rating of Mature and AO. We are talking about 1 year of growth. Yes I know, Walmart won't carry it, but that is for another topic. What will the media bitch about if it was an AO game?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Wait, when did this turn into a democrat bashing thread?

It's not a partisan issue, all politicians are against children being able to buy sexually explicit media.

I mean the people who want EVERYTHING from Harry Potter, to Animal Farm, to Pokemon banned from everyone. Politicians who listen to and agree with fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are my main concern, not a bunch of senators trying to up the rating on a sex game.


The current "attacks" on video games are not to ban them, if you are old enough to play them there would be absolutely nothing stopping you from buying it or a company from selling it to you.
They just don't want children playing those games.[/QUOTE]


The difference is that Democrats want the government to regulate and tell you what you can and cant play. While Republicans think thats the parents responsibility.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']No game, book, movie, video or any other media has ever been banned nor ever will be banned, so stop using that word. [/QUOTE]
They have been in other countries, and there's no guarantee that there won't be bans coming in America's future.

After all, if they decide that the game violates a law, then I don't think they'd be very sympathetic to the First Amendment rights.
 
It was not my intention to turn this into a partisan bashing contest. However, I felt I should address the comment "religious christian extremists" in particular because that is a generic blanket insult used by the left against the right. It seems that the Dems are heading the attack, that's all. My fear isn't that little Timmy will no longer be able to get a stiffy because he can't buy M rated games, it's that they won't stop with the restrictions.
 
We are supposedly a capitalist society. There is no need for banning when simple math will do. Wal-Mart will not sell explicit content or AO games. 23% of games sold today are sold through Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart is currently the No. 1 seller of new video games, with about 23 percent market share.
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So some simple math is all that is needed. Why would a company make a game that 1/4 of their audience cannot buy? Its the self-censorship, based on the government's current attention span that will be the down fall of this culture, not the other way around.

GTA: SA for PS2 has sold 5.5 million copies. Its easy to see that if they make $30 a piece, (wholesalers and distributors take the rest), why would they want to risk 1,375,000 units or $41 million in revenue? Even though the core demographic of the industry is 18-34 male, the legistlation being proposed will force the companies to keep their titles in the
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Isnt Battle Royale (movie) banned from sales in America?[/QUOTE]
Nope, its just that no one has the stones to release it here.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']It's not a partisan issue, all politicians are against children being able to buy sexually explicit media.

I mean the people who want EVERYTHING from Harry Potter, to Animal Farm, to Pokemon banned from everyone. Politicians who listen to and agree with fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are my main concern, not a bunch of senators trying to up the rating on a sex game.


The current "attacks" on video games are not to ban them, if you are old enough to play them there would be absolutely nothing stopping you from buying it or a company from selling it to you.
They just don't want children playing those games.

No game, book, movie, video or any other media has ever been banned nor ever will be banned, so stop using that word. [/QUOTE]

Aristophanes' Lysistrata, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Boccaccio's Decameron, Defoe's Moll Flanders, and various editions of The Arabian Nights were all banned for decades from the U.S. mails under the Comstock Law of 1873. Officially known as the Federal Anti-Obscenity Act, this law banned the mailing of "lewd", "indecent", "filthy", or "obscene" materials. The Comstock laws, while now unenforced, remain for the most part on the books today; the Telecommunications Reform Bill of 1996 even specifically applied some of them to computer networks. The anti-war Lysistrata was banned again in 1967 in Greece, which was then controlled by a military junta.

Ulysses by James Joyce was recently praised by CMU English professor and vice-provost Erwin Steinberg. (Steinberg also defended Carnegie Mellon's 1994 declaration to delete alt.sex and some 80 other newsgroups, claiming they were legally obligated to do so.) Ulysses was barred from the United States as obscene for 15 years, and was seized by U.S Postal Authorities in 1918 and 1930.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau's autobiography Confessions was banned by U.S. Customs in 1929 as injurious to public morality. His philosophical works were also banned in the USSR in 1935, and some were placed on the Catholic Church's Index of Prohibited Books in the 18th century.
Thomas Paine, best known for his writings supporting American independence, was indicted for treason in England in 1792 for his work The Rights of Man, defending the French Revolution. More than one English publisher was also prosecuted for printing The Age of Reason, where Paine argues for Deism and against Christianity and Atheism.


Banned movies in America :
The James Boys in Missouri
Night Riders
The Profit
Titicut Follies
 
Let me rephrase that, because apprarently some people are a little too thick in the skull.

THERE IS NO BOOK, MOVIE, OR VIDEOGAME THAT YOU CANNOT BUY, SELL, OR VIEW IN AMERICA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']First Hillary last week.

Next, the Illinois bill.

Then the Mark Ecko thing, which for some reason I can't find. But, basically it was some government official bitching that they should "just include a can of spray paint" because its teaching children how to break the law.

link thanks to lebowsky. AKA: the dude.

Finally, the whole 25 to life thing is about to blow up as well. Luckily there is a petition for that one.

http://www.stopkill.com/ is the last straw. A VIDEO GAME AMBULANCE CHASER!!?!?!

This is insane, there has got to be something we can do. I hate sitting here and watching our medium be shit on without anyone going to bat for us and our culture.

EDIT: Added Ecko link.[/QUOTE]


This is really nothing new...it's part of the growing pains of the industry. Game content will never be censored and, like movies and TV shows, it'll get to a point where every thing has been done and no one will have anything left to bitch about.

This too shall pass...

Edit: all those book and movie bannings happened in the early 1900's. Things are a bit different now :lol: Those are on par with the Scarlett Letter getting banned based on a law that says you can't send porn through the mail i.e. a quick pang of bullshit
 
This is a 30+ year old industry. (consumer industry, MIT comps playing tic tac toe in the 50s don't count.) How can you attribute this to growing pains?

On to the banned list, I believe that Cannibal Holocaust is banned in the US and Canada because it was believed to be a true account when it was released. But that is only speculation from myself and others. I also believe you cannot buy the Legend of the Overfiend unedited, but that may have changed in the last 10 years since Anime is huge now.
 
[quote name='Apossum']

Edit: all those book and movie bannings happened in the early 1900's. Things are a bit different now :lol: Those are on par with the Scarlett Letter getting banned based on a law that says you can't send porn through the mail i.e. a quick pang of bullshit[/QUOTE]

Yes, but the point remains that is books/movies WERE banned in America at some point meaning it's quite feasible that it could happen again.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Let me rephrase that, because apprarently some people are a little too thick in the skull.

THERE IS NO BOOK, MOVIE, OR VIDEOGAME THAT YOU CANNOT BUY, SELL, OR VIEW IN AMERICA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.[/QUOTE]

Everything I posted was and some still is banned in america.
 
Mario - Mushrooms = teaches kids that drugs are good
Dance Dance Revolution - features a "scantily dressed nurse riding a syringe" (see incident in Poway, CA) = encourages drug use and irresponsible sex
Need for Speed Underground - features street racing = encourages illegal street racing
Tony Hawk Underground 2 - features the ability to "tag" = encourages graffiti and illegal criminal activities
Pokemon - you use your pokemon to fight other pokemon and you also catch "wild pokemons"= encourages animal cruelty and the domestication of wild animals

I think I have a good case here! *sends email*
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']This is a 30+ year old industry. (consumer industry, MIT comps playing tic tac toe in the 50s don't count.) How can you attribute this to growing pains?

[/QUOTE]

Because they are finally accepted as a mainstream form of entertainment and they look more real now than ever, making them a clear target.

It's not a huge deal, they aren't banning GTA, they are just moving up the age to buy it by 1 year :lol:

I'd be outraged but they haven't banned or even censored it. In fact, they've just given it the rating it deserves. If anything, R* are stupid for keeping it in the game, but it was an obvious publicity stunt to begin with and it's working.
 
This will all go away over time. Throughout history there have been countless nutjobs and crazed soccer moms or whatever the offended group may be that have managed to draw attention to some form of media they deem to be the next great downfall of society. Emenim, Marylin Manson, 2 Live Crew, Motley Crue, The Beatles, and Elvis are all great examples and are laughable now to think that people actually called for a ban on their music. Even Harry Potter books are considered satanic by certain groups and countless books like Catcher in the Rye that are now regarded as "classics" and mandatory reading in school have been "banned" at some point in time. . There was even a prohibition on alcohol back in the early 20th century and as far as I can tell, the ONLY thing people did back then for fun (pre movies, TV, etc.) was drink.

Video games are the new media of the 21st century - nothing has come along quite like this since I Love Lucy was in prime time. Of course people are going top speak out against it and of course our kids and grandkids will find it unbelievably absurd in 50 years. It may take time but it will pass. In the meantime, let everyone you know how you feel, write your public representatives, start your own group pro-video games or whatever. The more who speak up in favor of this form of entertainment, the sooner this will all go away...
 
This paragraph on stopkill is absoultly hilarious!!!

"ANOTHER THOMPSON PREDICTION CAME TRUE: Dateline NBC reported Friday, December 13, 2002, that the Beltway Sniper, John Lee Malvo, was compelled by John Muhammad to train on the sniper video game, Halo, switched to sniper-mode or God-mode, to suppress his inhibition to kill." Jack Thompson predicted, in an interview by Matt Lauer on NBC's Today show three weeks before the Beltway Snipers were apprehended, that one of the snipers "might very well be a video gamer as young as 15 trained on a game switched to sniper-mode or God-mode."

Halo...a sniper training simulator? hahahahahahahaa
why don't they go after America's Army.

Or why not go after Microsoft's Flight Simulator, that can teach people how to fly 747's into towers.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Wait, when did this turn into a democrat bashing thread?

It's not a partisan issue, all politicians are against children being able to buy sexually explicit media.

I mean the people who want EVERYTHING from Harry Potter, to Animal Farm, to Pokemon banned from everyone. Politicians who listen to and agree with fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are my main concern, not a bunch of senators trying to up the rating on a sex game.


The current "attacks" on video games are not to ban them, if you are old enough to play them there would be absolutely nothing stopping you from buying it or a company from selling it to you.
They just don't want children playing those games.[/QUOTE]

http://gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

calls for ban on T-rated game.

DID SOMEONE FORGET THEIR DIAPER TODAY? Make a tinkle, gonna blame it on republicans?

You're just as bad as the people who are blaming games, so please, STFU moron.
 
No one will listen to us. I think cheapy needs to hold a press conference. People might listen if he says he has some 20,000 gamers behind him. Tell them people don't know what the fuck they are talking about. The point of GTA:SA is to change your life to get you hood free of drug dealers and so forth. We all know how well the judicial system does of fixing the drug problem in this country.
 
[quote name='Graystone']The point of GTA:SA is to change your life to get you hood free of drug dealers and so forth. [/QUOTE]

But thanks to these morons talking about stuff they don't know about, every non-gamer or parent who heard what they have to say, think it's all about killing the most cops and fucking the most hookers so little kids can call up their friends and brag about their high score. Thus the video games are automatically the bad guy.

Same exact thing happened with the news report of 25 to Life.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']This is a 30+ year old industry. (consumer industry, MIT comps playing tic tac toe in the 50s don't count.) How can you attribute this to growing pains?

On to the banned list, I believe that Cannibal Holocaust is banned in the US and Canada because it was believed to be a true account when it was released. But that is only speculation from myself and others. I also believe you cannot buy the Legend of the Overfiend unedited, but that may have changed in the last 10 years since Anime is huge now.[/QUOTE]

Not really entering the whole debate, but I agree cannibal holocaust should be banned. The name caught my interest (had never heard of it) and just looked it up.

Controversy

Much of the film's original controversy surrounded the use of gratuitous killing of animals for sake of portraying that killing on film. The first such scene in the movie shows the killing and flaying of a large and screaming rat by actors. The most extended and infamous scene shows a large turtle (1.5m long) being captured in the water and dragged to shore, where it is then decapitated and its limbs and shell removed. The actors then proceed to cook and eat the turtle. Another scene shows a small monkey being captured by a native actor portraying a cannibal, who cuts the monkey's face off with a machete while it is struggling.

Many condemn this as animal cruelty for the purpose of mere sensationalism, and it has even been called "animal torture." In Italy, an obscure law which prohibited cruelty to guinea pigs resulted in the outright banning of the film there until 1983. The film was made during a time when it was growing unpopular and illegal for filmmakers to stage such animal death scenes, and the use of such scenes were intended to attact controversy.

A realistic appearing death depicted in the movie caused a court to summon Deodato and demand proof that the actor had not, in fact, been killed. The iconic image for the film shows a "cannibal" girl impaled on a stick. Deodato explained that the girl simply sat on a bicycle seat attached to the pole's base, while holding a small pointed balsa wood piece in her mouth. The fake blood was then added. Deodato commented that the native actor girl had an unsually calm temperment to be able to remain so still during the filming.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal_Holocaust

The real scenes depicted in the film were illegal, and you should not be able to profit off of videotaping your own illegal activities in my mind. Even excluding the allegation the girl died, the rest is illegal in this country at least.
 
Reality's Fringe] That whole "Republicans are uptight family values oriented Jesus Freaks" is totally false said:
Well, considering that Republicans are the ones that have gone after shit like the Teletubbies, Spongebob, Janet Jackson's boob, and the nude female anatomy of a D.C. statue, I wonder why people think that?
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