Stop the TPP! Internet Freedom is at Risk!

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Do you like watching Let's Plays? Do you like watching reviews with clips in them? Hell, do you like video reviews? Do you like parody videos of copyrighted work?

Outside of gaming, do you like having a clean enviroment? Not paying an arm and a leg for medicine? People having jobs?

Well, a new government bill called the Trans-Pacific Partnership will get rid of or cancel all of that. Not only that, it allows corporations to sue the government (and, by extension, taxpayers) if things don't go their way.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DnC1mqyAXmw

This is a million times worse than SOPA and might actually pass. Spread the word any way you can.
 
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There are reasons to support this, and there are reasons to oppose this. The TPP was written for the benefit of the few giant corporations, as opposed to the many small business that make the world go round.

 
Yeah its a pretty shitty deal. And almost nobody is talking about it much, even the presidential candidates. Bernie Sanders and Trump both oppose it. Most of the republican presidential candidates are against it, or at least say they are. I don't trust some of the ones who are beholden to big money corporation donors like Jeb to fight against it much. Same goes for Hillary. She was all for the deal until a few weeks ago when it started to became popular to be against it. Obama loves it, but he's turned into a do-nothing golf-playing snob; he's certainly not the same guy who took office over 6 years ago. Obama does what the big money donors tell him to do.

Every time the US has passed a "Free Trade" agreement, the US has lost a huge amount of jobs. NAFTA cost us over 700k jobs. The Korean Free Trade agreement has cost us 70k jobs. The trade agreement with China has cost us over 2 million manufacturing jobs. The TPP will make it easier for US companies to move overseas where labor is cheaper. Period. Minimum wage in Vietnam is 56 cents an hour, and people in the US want 15-bucks to work in McDonalds?

It goes beyond trade and encroaches upon our freedoms guaranteed in the constitution. Your state has a law a corporation don't like? Too bad, a foreign company can come in, take the law before the UN and World Bank tribunal, and force the state to change the law. This includes any labor agreements with unions, environmental laws and health care agreements.

Right now, there are specific laws that require the US and state governments to buy certain items that must be manufactured in America. The TPP allows foreign companies to bid for these items. This includes tanks, planes, guns...soon, Malasyia could be making all our defense things. You really think they gonna make good stuff for our soldiers? What happens when a war breaks out (heaven forbid) and we've lost our ability to make these things for ourselves?

None of our elected officials can change any part of the deal once it is struck. We will have ZERO representation. This is government for and by the corporations, wall street fat cats, and big banks.

It is absolutely terrible. Do not support any elected official who tells you otherwise, cause that person has been bought and paid for by the corporations.

 
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Well I think anyone who has read anything leaked from this document by Wikileaks would agree this is extremely toxic.

This document is a big joke and it goes under the auspice of treaty REGARDLESS of what the President or any elected representative says.  If you don't know what danger that term holds under the Constitution I suggest rereading our founding document.

 
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Welcome to Eurocorp Squeegor.

edit:  Squeegor on a more contemporary note look up TaTa Group.  It's pretty much one of those arcologies mentioned in "Neuromancer" or Shadowrun.

 
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New leaks have come out about the TPP, including the elimination of public domain, any and all Mods becoming illegal, ISPs being allowed to terminate websites without a court order, and whistleblowing (and sites like WikiLeaks) becoming illegal.
 
From the very little research I did over the past 20 min of reading various news reports, Including a Canadian, and a British newspaper source, I've come to some conclusions that are NOT explicitly spoken about. (READ: foil hat)

This TPP has been in the works for about 5 years, with various things that were in dispute. (I read this as there were SOME things that were not in dispute, and have already been planned to happen).

The TPP allows for companies to "nuke from orbit"(my wording) any digital content, forcing isps to shut down websites, or blocking access to said websites if hosted in an outside country. (bye bye freedom to research anything you want.) And unlike other recent takedowns, there is not any given way or channel to appeal or to return the removed content, website.

The TPP requires isp and os companies to spy on what you are looking at online [and offline maybe, it's not clear where the spying ends] (offline in the case of just running things off your hard drive if you are connected to the internet.) ((Another motivation to get everyone to Windows 10, where there are things that are already in place (but inactive) to block certain kinds of content.))

The TPP looks to remove "fair use" laws. (but this is stated also above.) Animated .gif other photographs like screen shots are also under fire. the FAQ and Wiki, cheat codes and bug reports (anything reported on, not given or sold by the company) are all targets here.

Now this might also explain why there is a certain push that digital content is the future, and that retailers (Sears, K-mart, Target & bestbuy) are shrinking their physical media (games, movies, music). I've noticed that there have been many reports that various corporations say "we" want an all digital goods. and that this is going to happen. However with this statement it really feels forced. But I keep hearing it over and over, it's what "we" want.

((Well, in short, what I want my kids to be able to play the games I buy today, in 10-15 years. And while Steam has been mostly successful in keeping what games have been released still available even if they are pulled from sale, owning physical games is the ONLY way to expect to 100% still play them tomorrow, let alone years from now. [[well except online games like M.A.G. and online multiplayer or component (DS) that have some part of the game require a server. And patches, updates ect.]] ))

The retailers are being told that they should back out of physical media because the future is digital. And because sales seem poorer the retail markets are doing just that. Microsoft, Sony (probably Nintendo too) want to be in control, and sell games like Movie rentals, never letting us own anything. We caught a glimpse of this when the XBOX 1 was first announced. Sony said that game sharing was as simple as handing a disk to a friend, but they seem to be changing their minds about that. Publishers are vilifying USED game sales, something that allows people to sell, buy and trade (generally trade, exchange ownership) the discs in their possession.

I'm getting tired of media playback ripped from dvd (by my personal computer) that I still have on my shelves, that is blocked on various devices because I don't have a license to use it. I (supposedly) own digital copies of movies that, because I changed hard drives I am no longer allowed access to, because it was only for that PC. HOW MUCH WORSE will the TPP make watching the actual physical dvd in 5 years?

So TL:DR if you enjoy any form of media, you are screwed.

 
Well giant in the past movies used to be a rental market and when they shifted to a buyers market with DVD's they made so much more money then the rental market scheme.

At the same time they're trying to shift back to that model with digital which makes no fucking sense except they have a megalomaniacal need to control consumers use of media.

Me?  I believe I should be able to jukebox the physical media I own on computer.  I own a bunch of Blu-ray's and plan to make physical copies of these all on a big SSD, with the files uncompressed along with the Lossless audio.  Take that and rackmount the SSD's in a RAID config. with a good, pared down multimedia interface for those movies and I'm set.

Instead, the stupid solution is Ultraviolet which I've redeemed but it's a shitty jukebox interface in that the copies offered are far inferior to the Blu-ray video and audio quality.

I guess this falls back as to why TPP regs. on this are bs, for games and movies.  For games I will always support emulation.  As a gamer who owns a SNES, NES, etc. and owns said games for it what happens if my system completely goes out?  Am I expected to have to buy a functional system and fork out god knows how much for it to play the game which I LEGALLY own.

The bottom lline is that if they actually say hello to TPP nonsense say hi to people adopting Mesh Net as well as IP cloners or whatever those things are called.

 
Wow the next to the last one really gets on my nerves.  Don't get me wrong, the fair use bit pisses me off as well but the idea that I don't have the right to tinker with something I've bought...fuck you, just fuck you.

Taking down sites without a court order?  Goodbye Democracy Now, RT, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, The Intercept, The Blaze, etc.

 
"Free Trade" is for economic entities which can already afford it by being efficient enough. In a way, it is a Darwinist scheme that weeds out all those who do not deserve to live within the confines of our socio-economic system.
 
There's several things in the TPP that are just flat-out unconstitutional that would never stand up in court. Well, a US court. Besides federal law, many state laws overlap it as well, and I can foresee a ton of legal battles if this passes. The only people who will actually benefit are the lawyers.

 
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There's several things in the TPP that are just flat-out unconstitutional that would never stand up in court. Well, a US court. Besides federal law, many state laws overlap it as well, and I can foresee a ton of legal battles if this passes. The only people who will actually benefit are the lawyers.
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They don't need to stand up in court, that's why this is a treaty. It's the Corporation's way of bypassing the normal legal processes to get nonsense like this passed without the people's approval.

That being said, I don't think bullshit like the TPP is what our forefathers had in mind with the Treaty provisions in our laws.

But the bottom line is that if all that nonsense gets passed under Fast Tracking say goodbye to all sorts of safety labels for us in one way or another. Oh and if you still have issues and your county or state stands up and opposes the low safety or ridiculous copyright standards that another country has you will have to fight out your case in a Kangaroo court administrated by the UN, where the judges are toadies for said corporations. It will basically be arbitration on steroids.

 
Sarang01 said:
They don't need to stand up in court, that's why this is a treaty. It's the Corporation's way of bypassing the normal legal processes to get nonsense like this passed without the people's approval.

That being said, I don't think bullshit like the TPP is what our forefathers had in mind with the Treaty provisions in our laws.

But the bottom line is that if all that nonsense gets passed under Fast Tracking say goodbye to all sorts of safety labels for us in one way or another. Oh and if you still have issues and your county or state stands up and opposes the low safety or ridiculous copyright standards that another country has you will have to fight out your case in a Kangaroo court administrated by the UN, where the judges are toadies for said corporations. It will basically be arbitration on steroids.
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I'm sorry, but international agreements are as much as part of any one country's laws as any purely national law. There is a reason why they need to be ratified by national legislative bodies and can usually be challenged in national judicative bodies.

 
konteradmiral said:
I'm sorry, but international agreements are as much as part of any one country's laws as any purely national law. There is a reason why they need to be ratified by national legislative bodies and can usually be challenged in national judicative bodies.
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If Congress approves all this nonsense you won't be able to do dick as treaty provisions bypass our rights. I'm not joking either, I wish I was. The only way this will get thrown out by all countries is if citizens of said member nations of TPP rise up in massive numbers and peaceably resist, to the point to getting beaten and bruised by law enforcement(see: to a pulp). This is IF Congress is stupid enough to approve these provisions despite the current massive resistance to this pos treaty.

 
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Sarang01 said:
If Congress approves all this nonsense you won't be able to do dick as treaty provisions bypass our rights. I'm not joking either, I wish I was. The only way this will get thrown out by all countries is if citizens of said member nations of TPP rise up in massive numbers and peaceably resist, to the point to getting beaten and bruised by law enforcement(see: to a pulp). This is IF Congress is stupid enough to approve these provisions despite the current massive resistance to this pos treaty.
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Treaty provisions cannot trump the constitution.

Article 3 Section 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the US, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority....

There will be litigation, and there will be a lot of it. To think otherwise is folly.

 
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