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I just recently became a member of Goozex and after filling my "want" list up with all the Suikoden games and trading off some games that were worth a lot but to me not worth the disc space they are printed on I recieved Suikoden's 1 3 and 5 .. it cost me roughly 50 bucks for the first one so its a little pricey for my tastes.. but when I popped that in I was expecting the usual "overrated" RPG experience that has let me down countless times before (read: most Atlus games) but I was really impressed.. never have I played something as good as it.. it reminds me so much of Chrono Trigger or Xenogears that I thought this was its natural progression.. the story IMO isn't that great.. but the game play is classic RPG gameplay and I think I have found a new favorite game.. and I'm not much more then 5 or 6 hours into it..
 
I agree, Suikoden was fun but try to track down a copy of Suikoden 2. It is, in my opinion, the best game in the series.
 
Suikoden is a great game. It's the only RPG I've ever played more than once (though I haven't played all of them) (I have a hard time playing games more than once, or reading a book more than once/watching movie/etc).
 
If you've received Suikoden 5 from Goozex recently, its highly possible that it was from me. The game has been traded 30 times since Feb of last year and I've already traded 3 copies in the few weeks that I've been a member.
 
Wait till you get to play Suikdoen 2. Easily one of the most underrated game if it doesnt cost $100
 
Yeah, I was late in the Suikoden crowd to but I absolutely loved the first game. I played it like crazy last summer and plan on going through Suikoden 2 this summer.
 
Suikoden II is easily my favorite RPG next to Chrono Trigger. Even with some of the glaring translation issues (Damn you Konami of America...) it is a fantastic game that stands above the rest. I just wish more copies had really been printed, as I feel it's really a shame that this game has become hoarded due to its rarity.

Suikoden II's story should blow you away as well, as I would venture to say that it has the best villain that surpasses even Kefka, in addition to some excellent character development.

I just wish I could find another damn copy now, if it weren't so expensive...
 
One of the things that shines about Suikoden, and a good part of the series, is that if you keep your eyes open and try different things you can learn a lot about the intricacies of the game...not to mention some nice hidden stuff.

For example, you don't necessarily have to go out on your first assigned mission at the start of Suikoden. If you explore the extremely limited amount of world you're allowed to venture, and if you survive, you can end up with an insanely valuable rune or two before you even start the game proper!

Oh, and for more intricacies, never just spam "X" into the battle system for 1, I believe. I think the same applies for 2 as well. Essentially, the battles go far faster if everyone's targeting something else. That way you can have attacks go off simultaneously and save a few extra seconds. Oh, that and it prevents more enemies from getting their attacks off.

Yeah, I'm an unabashed fan of the series itself. It's so hard not to when games further along in the series have no qualms with expanding the background of characters you've seen before. Hell, one character's appearance in 4 was the only reason I kept on playing.
 
i usually use the "free will" option unless i need to heal or if its a boss fight.. but yeah i understand..

of course i want 2.. EVERYONE wants 2.. although I may seriously pay the extremely high price for it when the time comes.. but seriously I thought this game was going to be more like disgaea or tactics ogre.. some game that requires more "strategy" then say Chrono Trigger.. its easily on par with Xenogears in terms of playability..

I'm usually really skeptical when it comes to these "uber rare" type games.. but boy this one is really really fun..
 
[quote name='urzishra14']i usually use the "free will" option unless i need to heal or if its a boss fight.. but yeah i understand..

of course i want 2.. EVERYONE wants 2.. although I may seriously pay the extremely high price for it when the time comes.. but seriously I thought this game was going to be more like disgaea or tactics ogre.. some game that requires more "strategy" then say Chrono Trigger.. its easily on par with Xenogears in terms of playability..

I'm usually really skeptical when it comes to these "uber rare" type games.. but boy this one is really really fun..[/QUOTE]

Well, one positive of that is that... if they suck, you can pretty much re-coup all your losses.

I remember when I bought Suikoden II. Most I ever paid for a game even to this day.
 
I'm still waiting for Konami to release a US version of Suikoden I&II on PSP... I imagine I'll be waiting a long time. :cry:
 
I've played some of III and I and I don't really like them, too slow for me.

I sold the first for 45 on Half.com (got it for 10 at Sears many years ago).

Probably should have held onto it and sold it farther down the line, but I figure someone who wants to play it should have it.
 
[quote name='Purkeynator']I lucked out and found a copy of Suikoden 2 at Gamestop a few years ago. It was disc only though and still cost $50 with my Edge card. I have had a very hard time finding a case with manual for the game. On another note: Did anyone know there was a GBA release of Suikoden in Japan? http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Gamebo...VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
I had never seen this before.[/QUOTE]

I found Suikoden 2 at Gamestop in Orlando with case but no book. $35 only. The employee came back and was like "Well we dont have the book for it, do you still want it?" Dumb question.

Suikoden 1 is just as good as 2 is in my opinion. I had played RPGs in the past here and there (Chrono Trigger, FF3, Phantasy Star 2) but was never an RPG fan until I played Suikoden. That game made me love RPGs and probably the only reason I pre ordered Final Fantasy VII.

A few years later CVS was selling Suikoden for $5. It brought a tear to my eye to see it reduced to that. Im glad the greatness of the first 2 games is pretty well known today though.
 
[quote name='musha666']I found Suikoden 2 at Gamestop in Orlando with case but no book. $35 only. The employee came back and was like "Well we dont have the book for it, do you still want it?" Dumb question.

Suikoden 1 is just as good as 2 is in my opinion. I had played RPGs in the past here and there (Chrono Trigger, FF3, Phantasy Star 2) but was never an RPG fan until I played Suikoden. That game made me love RPGs and probably the only reason I pre ordered Final Fantasy VII.

A few years later CVS was selling Suikoden for $5. It brought a tear to my eye to see it reduced to that. Im glad the greatness of the first 2 games is pretty well known today though.[/QUOTE]

You know, it's funny how many times I passed up those great but un-hyped RPGs and instead bought more common games... though most of those games turned out to be good buys other than the FF games (save for FFVII).:whistle2:\
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I've played some of III and I and I don't really like them, too slow for me.

I sold the first for 45 on Half.com (got it for 10 at Sears many years ago).

Probably should have held onto it and sold it farther down the line, but I figure someone who wants to play it should have it.[/QUOTE]

wow thats kind of funny to me.. only because i think the game goes at a pretty fast pace (it appears that I do quests fairly quickly and often..) so i don't know .. is it because you arn't really accomplishing much to the "main" quest right away (I can see the "recruit" part of the game as a turn off to some.. but from what I understand its not a necessary component to the game)
 
I know it changes later on, but the main character in Suikoden I barely moves at first.

I didn't give the first entry much of a chance, these days I really lack patience for games that don't instantly hook me.

III is very slow plotwise.
 
I remember seeing the first Suikoden languishing for months at the $14.99 price point at a TRU, and I passed it up every time. One day I decided I wanted to play a new RPG so I finally picked it up at TRU for $14.99. I was certainly glad I didn't pass it up again as it turned out to be possibly the best $14.99 I ever spent.
 
Someone gave me a copy of Suikoden at GameStop a year ago (he was trying to trade it in but they don't accept PS games anymore).

I guess I ought to try it out!
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I know it changes later on, but the main character in Suikoden I barely moves at first.

I didn't give the first entry much of a chance, these days I really lack patience for games that don't instantly hook me.

III is very slow plotwise.[/quote]


He's right about III being very slow plotwise, but i have to say that when they tie everything up in the end, it's an amazing game. The storyline in III is great if you're into the suikoden universe.
 
[quote name='BMoD']He's right about III being very slow plotwise, but i have to say that when they tie everything up in the end, it's an amazing game. The storyline in III is great if you're into the suikoden universe.[/quote]

And depending upon how into it you are, it may be well worth your time to get your detective to give you background info about all of your characters.

My favorite moment in the game was pretty much slaughtering previously-scary army battles because my tanks were ungodly powerful. What's that? Fred just blocked/absorbed/ignored 1500 dmg in a single round? Go him! So sweet...
 
It's good to see someone who didn'y play it in it's prime enjoying it now. Suikoden has always been my favorite RPG series (along with SMT.) Suikoden V is my favorite game in the series. II gets a lot of praise but I think it's mainly for nostalgia (not that it's a bad thing) I always wanted to go back through and do Clive's sidequest, but it's such a pain.
 
Suikoden is awesome part 1 and 2 (my fav), but I can live without 3,4,5.

now I heard someone mention Xenogears, I havent played it since the day it came out and only got 10-20 hours into it. I wonder how easy it is to track down a copy
 
[quote name='Rodimus']It's good to see someone who didn'y play it in it's prime enjoying it now. Suikoden has always been my favorite RPG series (along with SMT.) Suikoden V is my favorite game in the series. II gets a lot of praise but I think it's mainly for nostalgia (not that it's a bad thing) I always wanted to go back through and do Clive's sidequest, but it's such a pain.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I've ever seen any Suikoden fan say something good about any Suikoden after III.:lol:

[quote name='Poor2More']Suikoden is awesome part 1 and 2 (my fav), but I can live without 3,4,5.

now I heard someone mention Xenogears, I havent played it since the day it came out and only got 10-20 hours into it. I wonder how easy it is to track down a copy[/QUOTE]

Xenogears isn't too hard to find. There's plenty of GH copies on Ebay... definitely an excellent RPG though I heard some people complain the story is too complicated.
 
[quote name='Vinny']I don't think I've ever seen any Suikoden fan say something good about any Suikoden after III.:lol:[/quote]

Guess you haven't seen too many Suikoden threads on CAG because I've been on these boards praising Suikoden V ever since it's release, and I'm not alone. I know Suikoden IV was crap, but I don't understand why people who enjoyed I & II but not V. It really went back to it's roots and IMO a better story & character development. I think IV turned a lot of fans aways from the series and that's too bad cause it really is a great RPG, not by Suikoden standards but just by itself.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']Guess you haven't seen too many Suikoden threads on CAG because I've been on these boards praising Suikoden V ever since it's release, and I'm not alone. I know Suikoden IV was crap, but I don't understand why people who enjoyed I & II but not V. It really went back to it's roots and IMO a better story & character development. I think IV turned a lot of fans aways from the series and that's too bad cause it really is a great RPG, not by Suikoden standards but just by itself.[/QUOTE]

I've actually heard good stuff from several others about V, so I look forward to starting it whenever I can get some free time.
 
[quote name='Josef']I remember seeing the first Suikoden languishing for months at the $14.99 price point at a TRU, and I passed it up every time. One day I decided I wanted to play a new RPG so I finally picked it up at TRU for $14.99. I was certainly glad I didn't pass it up again as it turned out to be possibly the best $14.99 I ever spent.[/quote]

Ha, I got it for that price as well but it was a bit different for me. I had just rented Suikoden II and I wanted to go buy it because I loved it so my mom took me to TRU. The guy told us the game was $50 and that was a bit pricey so I thought I was going to leave empty handed but the guy pointed out that the first one was $14.99 so my mom got that for me. One of my best purchases ever. However, later down the line I ended up buying Suikoden II off ebay for $100 =P It was complete like listed but the douche didn't tell me it was resurfaced.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']Guess you haven't seen too many Suikoden threads on CAG because I've been on these boards praising Suikoden V ever since it's release, and I'm not alone. I know Suikoden IV was crap, but I don't understand why people who enjoyed I & II but not V. It really went back to it's roots and IMO a better story & character development. I think IV turned a lot of fans aways from the series and that's too bad cause it really is a great RPG, not by Suikoden standards but just by itself.[/QUOTE]

You don't say... maybe I just confused all the crap of part IV spilling over to part V, too?:whistle2:k
 
[quote name='Vinny']You don't say... maybe I just confused all the crap of part IV spilling over to part V, too?:whistle2:k[/quote]

Sortly after Suikoden IV was released came Suikoden Tactics which was a mediocre strategy game based around the events of IV. Even tough it was a decent game it was connected to IV which is a bad thing.
 
I got a used copy of Suikoden on a whim at a grocery store checkout, of all places. It must have been 1999 or 2000--I vaguely remembered hearing about it, and for $9.99 it was a low risk. It took all of twenty minutes for me to be completely hooked.
 
[quote name='Vinny']I don't think I've ever seen any Suikoden fan say something good about any Suikoden after III.:lol:[/QUOTE]

I don't know where you've been looking, but IV aside, V makes a great return to the series roots. It reminds me much more of II than any other game after that in the series. I actually enjoyed Tactics as well, but still not quite as nice as V turned out to be.

Sadly, I think IV did turn off a lot of fans as each iteration has had diminishing returns with purchases. It's really slightly disappointed, since I feel that the whole Suikoden series has much more rich history and charm than Final Fantasy. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever see any signs of VI...
 
You don't need to play them, V is good enough to stand on its own, but you'll have a much greater enjoyment for the story if you've played at least I & II. V just happens to fall between IV and I/II, but has a lot of elements that predate and enrich the story of the former games.
 
If I didn't like III, should I try the first one? Like willard, I though the plot was too slow. I also got tired of beating up on the little trees. Someone told me that the trees were like Dragon Quest's slimes.
 
I like III, IV sucked and V was good though I didn't beat V. I did own a copy of I & II. II seemed really good, but I mainly bought it to sell for a profit. Being I got like 170 for it, but from what I played seemed like one of the best Rpg of PS1 time.
 
[quote name='depascal22']If I didn't like III, should I try the first one? Like willard, I though the plot was too slow. I also got tired of beating up on the little trees. Someone told me that the trees were like Dragon Quest's slimes.[/quote]

It's very hard to recommend this series to someone who doesn't like little trees.
 
Does V have some some sort of bonus if you have a save with the 108 Stars like Suikoden II and III did?

I've got a ways to go as I have yet to start II and not sure how I'll like III as I'm not sure how the whole 3 character thing works.
 
As far as I can tell, III has three different characters from the three factions. They all have different story lines until the end. I haven't beaten it but I played halfway through one of the stories and quit because of those "damn dirty trees".
 
[quote name='Vinny']Does V have some some sort of bonus if you have a save with the 108 Stars like Suikoden II and III did?[/quote]

If you mean data transfer from Suikoden IV then no, there is none.

But like all Suikoden games if you get all 108 stars it has a different ending. And like Suikoden I & II the event brings someone back to life.
 
I mentioned this thread to my friend. He is going to let me borrow his prized copy of Suikoden 2.. I've never played any of them.

It's one of those situations where he is like, "I want you to play this. It is that good - and I love my copy, but I will lend it to you."

I'm totally going use it as a coaster for my Coke and flip him out- (j/k, j/k)

I saw some of the gameplay footage and I really like the style of the graphics (and the score sounds epic). I had a blast with Lunar 2 last year. I love discovering old PS rpg's that I missed out on. I was more of a PC and paper RPG-er ;)
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']I mentioned this thread to my friend. He is going to let me borrow his prized copy of Suikoden 2.. I've never played any of them.

It's one of those situations where he is like, "I want you to play this. It is that good - and I love my copy, but I will lend it to you."

I'm totally going use it as a coaster for my Coke and flip him out- (j/k, j/k)

I saw some of the gameplay footage and I really like the style of the graphics (and the score sounds epic). I had a blast with Lunar 2 last year. I love discovering old PS rpg's that I missed out on. I was more of a PC and paper RPG-er ;)[/quote]


I was hugely let down by Suikoden 2... in fact, that's the only game I think I've ever traded in (only, because I was still sad to get rid of a game).
 
[quote name='Methadon']I was hugely let down by Suikoden 2... in fact, that's the only game I think I've ever traded in (only, because I was still sad to get rid of a game).[/QUOTE]

I'm curious, what did you find disappointing?
 
Suikoden one was one of my favorite RPGS of all time till I played Suikoden 2. Holy shit was that game good, I'd consider it the best RPG of all time and in my top 3 games of all time (Along with Warcraft 2 and Mega Man 2 NES). I'd say It's worth the $100+ it sells for on eBay.
 
I have some questions about Suikoden 2 -- I'm an hour into it...

1. is it manageable to collect all these 108 characters? people come and go so quick -- i'm worried about keeping everyones equipment up.

2. am i understanding correctly -- each person gets three pieces of gear and then can hold three items (some of which can be stat boosts such as leggings?) everything else goes in the bag, correct?

3. can you only save in towns? are there items (ala tents?)

4. are there more cutscenes in the game than the intro (and possibly the ending) -- i like the style of the scenes a lot!
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']I have some questions about Suikoden 2 -- I'm an hour into it...

1. is it manageable to collect all these 108 characters? people come and go so quick -- i'm worried about keeping everyones equipment up.[/quote]
It's worth gathering all of them, as it changes the storyline slightly. Although you shouldn't have to worry about equipment for all of them as only 40-50 characters are actually playable.

[quote name='coltyhuxx']2. am i understanding correctly -- each person gets three pieces of gear and then can hold three items (some of which can be stat boosts such as leggings?) everything else goes in the bag, correct?[/quote]
3 extra items, be it an accessory or recovery item.

[quote name='coltyhuxx']3. can you only save in towns? are there items (ala tents?)[/quote]
Either at Inns or designated save crystals. No items.

[quote name='coltyhuxx']4. are there more cutscenes in the game than the intro (and possibly the ending) -- i like the style of the scenes a lot![/QUOTE]
There's a few scenes, but nothing quite like the opening one.
 
Suikoden is in my top 3 favorite RPG series.

II is by far the best one.. the story, characters are top notch. The translation and music are fucking horrible, but I can easily forgive it.

V and I are great, III is good while IV and Tactics blow.

Hopefully they make VI.
 
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